Interest in a 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Contest for 2018?

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The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.

Regards,

Bif Huss “H7”
SSA Contest Rules Committee

[Ron Gleason]

On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bif Huss “H7”
> SSA Contest Rules Committee

Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?

THanks

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:54:02 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bif Huss “H7”
> > SSA Contest Rules Committee
>
> Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?
>
> THanks

Hi Ron, there is no contest yet. The purpose of this thread is to see if we have enough interest to proceed with trying to have a contest. We need at least 12 entries to commit to attending before we can proceed to the next steps of trying to make this contest happen.

"H7"

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:54:02 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bif Huss “H7”
> > SSA Contest Rules Committee
>
> Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?
>
> THanks

I might add that if you are a pilot interested in attending a 2018 20M Multiseat National Contest in Mifflin, that you contact other potential entrants and have them respond so that we can achieve critical mass to justify putting this on.

Thanks,

Bif "H7"

[[email protected]]

I would like to fly this contest if I can get the Harris Hill Duo or another suitable glider, Great idea.
Sean Murphy
XC

[Ron Gleason]

On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:16:58 UTC-6, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:54:02 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bif Huss “H7”
> > > SSA Contest Rules Committee
> >
> > Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?
> >
> > THanks
>
> I might add that if you are a pilot interested in attending a 2018 20M Multiseat National Contest in Mifflin, that you contact other potential entrants and have them respond so that we can achieve critical mass to justify putting this on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bif "H7"

Sorry Bif but I missed typed. I am asking to about the other 2018 National Contests. Nothing on the SSA web site, no way to do any planning etc etc

[Ron Gleason]

On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:29:25 UTC-6, wrote:
> I would like to fly this contest if I can get the Harris Hill Duo or another suitable glider, Great idea.
> Sean Murphy
> XC

I am not interested in contest and I do not believe it is in the best interest if the SSA Contest Rules Committee to have yet another class for a Nationals competition. IF this held will take away from folks that would participate in the 2018 Sports Nationals, which are typically dominate by Duo's and Arcus'es?

Oh wait we do not know when or where the 2018 Nationals are being held, how can we plan.

IMO class creep is bad for the competition scene with the SSA. What is next the folks asking for $$ to go to the World 20 Meter competition?

#classcreepisbad

[AS]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bif Huss “H7”
> SSA Contest Rules Committee

Would this a handicapped contest?
Uli
'AS'

[Dave Nadler]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest,
> please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as
> possible.

Thanks Bif, count me as interested, Dave "YO" (ArcusM)

[Dave Nadler]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 9:16:40 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> ...I do not believe it is in the best interest if the SSA Contest Rules
> Committee to have yet another class for a Nationals competition.

It's the IGC, not SSA, that created the 20m class, due to international
interest. USA lags rest of world here.

> IF this held will take away from folks that would participate in the
> 2018 Sports Nationals, which are typically dominate by Duo's and Arcus'es?

Should not. My understanding is the USA 20m team selection criteria awards
points for 20m within sports or open as well (at least for 2016-2017).

See ya, Dave

PS: Don't forget about the up-and-coming 11m class.

[JS]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 6:16:40 PM UTC-7, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:29:25 UTC-6, wrote:
> > I would like to fly this contest if I can get the Harris Hill Duo or another suitable glider, Great idea.
> > Sean Murphy
> > XC
>
> I am not interested in contest and I do not believe it is in the best interest if the SSA Contest Rules Committee to have yet another class for a Nationals competition. IF this held will take away from folks that would participate in the 2018 Sports Nationals, which are typically dominate by Duo's and Arcus'es?
>
> Oh wait we do not know when or where the 2018 Nationals are being held, how can we plan.
>
> IMO class creep is bad for the competition scene with the SSA. What is next the folks asking for $$ to go to the World 20 Meter competition?
>
> #classcreepisbad


Bif, the best of luck putting this together!
20m two-seater is quite a popular class internationally. It deserves a contest and records. There are about 100 20m two-seaters registered in the USA including Arcus, Duo, ASG32, DG1000. Do you think you can get a quarter of them?

What two-seater flying should be:
Check the spelling, but I think Heinz' first comment after he and Karin did their first Duo flight at Ely was:
"WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!"

YO, tell us more about the first 11m nationals. Is GBSC hosting? Will it be in February? Perhaps there's less rain then.
Jim

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:21:47 PM UTC-4, AS wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bif Huss “H7”
> > SSA Contest Rules Committee
>
> Would this a handicapped contest?
> Uli
> 'AS'

This class is planned to have limited handicapping with a handicap range from Arcus to abut .05 greater numerical handicap so as to try to draw Duo's, some DG 2 seaters, and possibly others.
UH

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:54:02 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bif Huss “H7”
> > SSA Contest Rules Committee
>
> Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?
>
> THanks

Check with John Lubon, chair of the site selection committee.
UH

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

I would love to attend in our DG-1000T. Would.consider putting a junior in the front seat for the event if he/she had enough ridge experience. I'd be in the back. 😃

Rich

[Tom (TK)]

I feel the 20m class is one of the best ways to develop new or beginning race pilots.

I flew with G Dale in the NZ Nationals and the 45 hours I spent in the cockpit with him were the most informative and satisfying flying I have done in my 11,000+ hours of flying. We could discuss tactics, girls, decision making, and the thought process of one of the most experienced glider pilots in the world all in real time.

TK

[Ron Gleason]

On Thursday, 1 June 2017 05:02:33 UTC-6, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:54:02 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44:36 UTC-6, wrote:
> > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bif Huss “H7”
> > > SSA Contest Rules Committee
> >
> > Sorry to hijack your thread Bif but what about announcing and listing on the SSA Racing Calendar the other 2018 contests? I know folks have submitted applications but nothing is on the calendar. Can you please shed some light on what is going on? If you do not know who should I be bugging?
> >
> > THanks
>
> Check with John Lubon, chair of the site selection committee.
> UH

Thanks Hank, that is the name I was looking for

[Ron Gleason]

On Thursday, 1 June 2017 05:00:26 UTC-6, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:21:47 PM UTC-4, AS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bif Huss “H7”
> > > SSA Contest Rules Committee
> >
> > Would this a handicapped contest?
> > Uli
> > 'AS'
>
> This class is planned to have limited handicapping with a handicap range from Arcus to abut .05 greater numerical handicap so as to try to draw Duo's, some DG 2 seaters, and possibly others.

> UH

I checked the results of 2016 Rules Committee survey and see that after considering all replies the Rules Committee stated they would look at holding a 2018 20 meter two place Nationals. Sorry I missed this before.

Best of luck

[WB]

Oh gawd, Uli wants to race the Spaghetti Bomber! That's enough on it's own to justify a Bus Class (as long as I don't have to help assemble it).

[AS]

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 6:04:22 PM UTC-4, WB wrote:
> Oh gawd, Uli wants to race the Spaghetti Bomber! That's enough on it's own to justify a Bus Class (as long as I don't have to help assemble it).

Ok - Wally is off the list for a free ride! ;-)
Uli

[AS]

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 7:00:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:21:47 PM UTC-4, AS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bif Huss “H7”
> > > SSA Contest Rules Committee
> >
> > Would this a handicapped contest?
> > Uli
> > 'AS'
>
> This class is planned to have limited handicapping with a handicap range from Arcus to abut .05 greater numerical handicap so as to try to draw Duo's, some DG 2 seaters, and possibly others.
> UH

Thanks, I am interested - tentatively.
Uli
'AS'

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 11:43:13 PM UTC-4, AS wrote:
> On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 7:00:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:21:47 PM UTC-4, AS wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018. The Rules Committee has determined that we need to have at least 12 confirmed entries if we are to proceed. Furthermore, time is of the essence if we are to have a chance of making this contest happen. If you would be definitely interested in attending this new National Contest, please respond to this thread or email me at as soon as possible.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bif Huss “H7”
> > > > SSA Contest Rules Committee
> > >
> > > Would this a handicapped contest?
> > > Uli
> > > 'AS'
> >
> > This class is planned to have limited handicapping with a handicap range from Arcus to abut .05 greater numerical handicap so as to try to draw Duo's, some DG 2 seaters, and possibly others.
> > UH
>
> Thanks, I am interested - tentatively.
> Uli
> 'AS'

Still soliciting multi seat pilots. Please respond if you would be interested in coming.

Bif "H7"

[Piet Barber]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018.

I'd be honored to bring "QQ". I'm pretty sure I'll come in DFL among all the pilots who are responding, but ... what the heck. Seems like a fun time.

[[email protected]]

Piet

That glider knows the Mifflin task area really well...Come on up!

Janine


On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:35:50 PM UTC-4, Piet Barber wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018.
>
> I'd be honored to bring "QQ". I'm pretty sure I'll come in DFL among all the pilots who are responding, but ... what the heck. Seems like a fun time.

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:55:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Piet
>
> That glider knows the Mifflin task area really well...Come on up!
>
> Janine
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:35:50 PM UTC-4, Piet Barber wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 7:44:36 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > The SSA Rules Committee would like to gauge pilot interest in attending a potential 20 Meter Multiseat Class National Competition if it were hosted at Mifflin in 2018.
> >
> > I'd be honored to bring "QQ". I'm pretty sure I'll come in DFL among all the pilots who are responding, but ... what the heck. Seems like a fun time.

Folks,

Organizers need as much interest as you can give to attending the first ever 20 meter nationals ; potentially to be held at Mifflin in May 2018.

If you have any thought of attending with a two seater let it be known to Janine !! She is getting alot of interest but needs to know how many ships may play in Mifflin.

This is a very very very fun class!!

HW

[[email protected]]

Would definitely be interested in attending with our DG1000.

[Bill G]

Bif,

Heh I would reach out to Matti at USAFA on this also. I could see where the Academy might like a contest like this in some cases. I will mention it to him also.

Hope all is well! Miss seeing all you guys at Comps since I retired from USAFA. Also, I could imagine some Stemme owners could find such a contest interesting too.

Bill Gagen

[ND]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 12:54:48 AM UTC-4, Bill G wrote:
> Bif,
>
> Heh I would reach out to Matti at USAFA on this also. I could see where the Academy might like a contest like this in some cases. I will mention it to him also.
>
> Hope all is well! Miss seeing all you guys at Comps since I retired from USAFA. Also, I could imagine some Stemme owners could find such a contest interesting too.
>
> Bill Gagen

The academy brought three Duos to Hobbs, i be theyd take them to mifflin!

[Dan Marotta]

Would 23 meters be accepted at a 20 meter contest?

Unfortunately, with a 200 hour inspection/overhaul requirement on the
propeller, I have to pick and choose where and when I can travel with
the ship. Maybe a trailer some day...


On 7/10/2017 10:54 PM, Bill G wrote:
> <snip> Also, I could imagine some Stemme owners could find such a contest interesting too.
>
> Bill Gagen

--
Dan, 5J

[RomeoRomeo]

> Still soliciting multi seat pilots. Please respond if you would be interested in coming.
>
> Bif "H7"

Bif, I would be interested in bringing our Duo-t.

Rick
"PL"

[[email protected]]

Hey Guys,

It's official...Mifflin Soaring Assoc was awarded the first 20M Multiplace Nationals in 2018. It will be posted on the SSA site soon, but here are the dates:
Practice Day: Sun May 13
Contest Days: Mon May 14 - Tue May 22

More details to follow sometime this summer.
Janine