Minden's filling up!

[JJ Sinclair]

We got 20 contestants signed up with a maximum of 40, due to limited parking on
the east side. Preferential cut off date, 7 April. BTW, Parowan is full (50)
with 19 that won't get in. Come on over to Minden, but do it before we fill up
also. No sports class, therefore NO reverse seeding at Minden. Look for JJ to
have more to say about *reverse seeding*, later in the year. Anyway, we have
Standard, 15 meter, 18 meter and open classes. Had a ball last year at Minden
Championships (Region 11) with daily distances of 300+ and speeds in the mid
80's
Come join us,
JJ Sinclair

[Libelle Driver]

What are the contest dates, Minden does not show on SSA.ORG for 2004?

Fred

> Standard, 15 meter, 18 meter and open classes. Had a ball last year at
Minden
> Championships (Region 11) with daily distances of 300+ and speeds in the
mid
> 80's
> Come join us,
> JJ Sinclair

[Stewart Kissel]

SNIP-

>also. No sports class, therefore NO reverse seeding
>at Minden. Look for JJ to
>have more to say about *reverse seeding*, later in
>the year.
SNIP-
>Come join us,
>JJ Sinclair

Ahh come on JJ, you can't leave us hanging. The days
are still short and your buddies from across the pond
don't seem to want to talk with you about spin training
anymore. Why waste a good thread for the spring when
we will all be out flying?
>

[JJ Sinclair]

>
>What are the contest dates, Minden does not show on SSA.ORG for 2004?
>
>Fred

I'm sorry, my computer crashed and I had to type it over and forgot the most
important thing. June 7-12, 2004. Hope you can make it to Minden.
JJ Sinclair

[JJ Sinclair]

Stew is baiting me, with>>>>>>>>..>

>Ahh come on JJ, you can't leave us hanging. The days
>are still short and your buddies from across the pond
>don't seem to want to talk with you about spin training
>anymore. Why waste a good thread for the spring when
>we will all be out flying?

Oh very well. My son and I really wanted to fly Parowan in our ASH-25. We're
seeded at 92, should be no problem getting in, right? Not only NO, but Hell NO.
They dreamed up something called *Reverse seeding*. What is that for, you ask?
It is to allow new guys to be assured of an entry in sports class. Parowan
didn't offer Open class, so we were forced to enter Sports.
First off, everybody in region 9 automatically gets in, no questions asked and
no seeding required. I don't have a big problem with this, it is their region,
after all (mark down 28) Then they *Reverse seed* everybody else in sports
class, 100-92 and we end up with a new seeding of 8. Seven more guys from
OUTSIDE the region get in and we end up 59th on a list that stops at 50, due to
limited parking space.
Now this I don't agree with! Everybody in the region is automatically entered,
so the reverse seeding is to allow new guys from OUTSIDE region 9 to go to the
head of the class. It took me 20 years to make it to the front side of the
score sheet and now it is being used against me. I would make it in if I had my
first seeding of 50 (circa 1975) The only way I can get in is to switch classes
to Standard, but my partner can't fly his 100K toy.
This Sucks,
JJ Sinclair

[Stewart Kissel]

Hey JJ-

Did u check with KS about this?, IIRC those ships
that don't have a class supported(like you in Open),
get a priority. Gotta check my email archives, but
is that not how his Duo/DG is flying?



At 01:24 14 February 2004, Jj Sinclair wrote:
>Stew is baiting me, with>>>>>>>>..>
>
>>Ahh come on JJ, you can't leave us hanging. The days
>>are still short and your buddies from across the pond
>>don't seem to want to talk with you about spin training
>>anymore. Why waste a good thread for the spring when
>>we will all be out flying?
>
>Oh very well. My son and I really wanted to fly Parowan
>in our ASH-25. We're
>seeded at 92, should be no problem getting in, right?
>Not only NO, but Hell NO.
>They dreamed up something called *Reverse seeding*.
>What is that for, you ask?
>It is to allow new guys to be assured of an entry in
>sports class. Parowan
>didn't offer Open class, so we were forced to enter
>Sports.
>First off, everybody in region 9 automatically gets
>in, no questions asked and
>no seeding required. I don't have a big problem with
>this, it is their region,
>after all (mark down 28) Then they *Reverse seed* everybody
>else in sports
>class, 100-92 and we end up with a new seeding of 8.
>Seven more guys from
>OUTSIDE the region get in and we end up 59th on a list
>that stops at 50, due to
>limited parking space.
>Now this I don't agree with! Everybody in the region
>is automatically entered,
>so the reverse seeding is to allow new guys from OUTSIDE
>region 9 to go to the
>head of the class. It took me 20 years to make it to
>the front side of the
>score sheet and now it is being used against me. I
>would make it in if I had my
>first seeding of 50 (circa 1975) The only way I can
>get in is to switch classes
>to Standard, but my partner can't fly his 100K toy.
>This Sucks,
>JJ Sinclair
>

[Greg Arnold]

Stewart Kissel wrote:

> Hey JJ-
>
> Did u check with KS about this?, IIRC those ships
> that don't have a class supported(like you in Open),
> get a priority. Gotta check my email archives, but
> is that not how his Duo/DG is flying?

KS has himself listed at #66

[JJ Sinclair]

>Did u check with KS about this?, IIRC those ships

Karl said the RC considered a waiver for guys that were forced to fly sports
class, but decided against it.

I think it (reverse seeding) is too much. The new guy is automatically entered
into his home region without any seeding. Thats all we owe these FNG's. If
someone from another region wants to get started, they can do it in their
region.

JJ Sinclair

[Chris OCallaghan]

Sounds like there's interest enough to run 2 contiguous contests. One
for the kids and one for the seeding list. They'd probably have 50
gliders at each, with enough mentors for week one and enough children
for week two the keep things lively. Maybe that's too much work, but I
had the impression Guenther was trying to attract attention to
Parowan.

As an aside, Parowan has pretty slim pickins in accomodations and
meals. Cedar City is 20 minutes south, has a wider selction of hotels
and restraurants and a summer-long Shakespeare Festival.

[Paul M. Cordell]

Chris,

with regard to accommodations in Parowan, there is an absolutely great
place. The Cedar Breaks Lodge is about 15 minutes from the airport.
It is at the base of the Brians Head Ski area. The rooms are studio
apartments or larger with available room service. The lodge has 2
restaurants and a sports bar.. In addition to the restaurants and bar
there is a full service day spa. The facilities of the spa are
available to hotel guests. The full size indoor swimming pool,
Fireside Jacuzzi, sauna and stream room are the perfect end to a day
running Utah cloud streets!! The hotel will be the location of the
pre contest safety meeting and the contest awards banquet. Check it
out!!

http://www.cedarbreakslodge.com/thelodge.htm

Chris OCallaghan wrote:

>Sounds like there's interest enough to run 2 contiguous contests. One
>for the kids and one for the seeding list. They'd probably have 50
>gliders at each, with enough mentors for week one and enough children
>for week two the keep things lively. Maybe that's too much work, but I
>had the impression Guenther was trying to attract attention to
>Parowan.
>
>As an aside, Parowan has pretty slim pickins in accomodations and
>meals. Cedar City is 20 minutes south, has a wider selction of hotels
>and restraurants and a summer-long Shakespeare Festival.
>
>

[Kizuno]

A bit dated, but I stayed there with my girlfriend (now wife) 13 years ago at
the first Parowan camp ('91) and it was great. Very quiet (off season), very
cool because you at at 9000ft or so, and very scenic. The road up there is
right through Parowan and quite a climb but quick (12 minutes or so). Some
condos are also available to rent there in addition to the lodge.

Kemp
9J

>Subject: Parowan Accommodations
>From: "Paul M. Cordell"
>Date: 2/14/2004 6:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Chris,
>
>with regard to accommodations in Parowan, there is an absolutely great
>place. The Cedar Breaks Lodge is about 15 minutes from the airport.
>It is at the base of the Brians Head Ski area. The rooms are studio
>apartments or larger with available room service. The lodge has 2
>restaurants and a sports bar.. In addition to the restaurants and bar
>there is a full service day spa. The facilities of the spa are
>available to hotel guests. The full size indoor swimming pool,
>Fireside Jacuzzi, sauna and stream room are the perfect end to a day
>running Utah cloud streets!! The hotel will be the location of the
>pre contest safety meeting and the contest awards banquet. Check it
>out!!
>
>http://www.cedarbreakslodge.com/thelodge.htm
>
>Chris OCallaghan wrote:
>
>>Sounds like there's interest enough to run 2 contiguous contests. One
>>for the kids and one for the seeding list. They'd probably have 50
>>gliders at each, with enough mentors for week one and enough children
>>for week two the keep things lively. Maybe that's too much work, but I
>>had the impression Guenther was trying to attract attention to
>>Parowan.
>>
>>As an aside, Parowan has pretty slim pickins in accomodations and
>>meals. Cedar City is 20 minutes south, has a wider selction of hotels
>>and restraurants and a summer-long Shakespeare Festival.

[Paul M. Cordell]

FYI- the Cedar Break Lodge changed hands a couple of years ago and all
facilities and rooms received an extensive renovation. I spent a few
nights there last August and all facilities are new and in great shape.
A special rate is available for the contest. Check the Contest web
site for details.

http://parowan.soaringweb.net/Accomodations.html

Kizuno wrote:

>A bit dated, but I stayed there with my girlfriend (now wife) 13 years ago at
>the first Parowan camp ('91) and it was great. Very quiet (off season), very
>cool because you at at 9000ft or so, and very scenic. The road up there is
>right through Parowan and quite a climb but quick (12 minutes or so). Some
>condos are also available to rent there in addition to the lodge.
>
>Kemp
>9J
>
>
>
>>Subject: Parowan Accommodations
>>From: "Paul M. Cordell"
>>Date: 2/14/2004 6:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>with regard to accommodations in Parowan, there is an absolutely great
>>place. The Cedar Breaks Lodge is about 15 minutes from the airport.
>>It is at the base of the Brians Head Ski area. The rooms are studio
>>apartments or larger with available room service. The lodge has 2
>>restaurants and a sports bar.. In addition to the restaurants and bar
>>there is a full service day spa. The facilities of the spa are
>>available to hotel guests. The full size indoor swimming pool,
>>Fireside Jacuzzi, sauna and stream room are the perfect end to a day
>>running Utah cloud streets!! The hotel will be the location of the
>>pre contest safety meeting and the contest awards banquet. Check it
>>out!!
>>
>>http://www.cedarbreakslodge.com/thelodge.htm
>>
>>Chris OCallaghan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sounds like there's interest enough to run 2 contiguous contests. One
>>>for the kids and one for the seeding list. They'd probably have 50
>>>gliders at each, with enough mentors for week one and enough children
>>>for week two the keep things lively. Maybe that's too much work, but I
>>>had the impression Guenther was trying to attract attention to
>>>Parowan.
>>>
>>>As an aside, Parowan has pretty slim pickins in accomodations and
>>>meals. Cedar City is 20 minutes south, has a wider selction of hotels
>>>and restraurants and a summer-long Shakespeare Festival.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

[Chris OCallaghan]

Sounds like the place to go if the gang's all there. I guess I'm too
much the skier. When I think about accomodations, it's always down
hill. Haven't stayed at the lodge, but it is very pretty up there.