Glider Pilot Running for US President

[mm]

I just checked the FAA databases, and it shows that John Kerry has, among
other ratings, a Gilder Aerotow Only rating.

[Liam Finley]

"mm" > wrote in message >...
> I just checked the FAA databases, and it shows that John Kerry has, among
> other ratings, a Gilder Aerotow Only rating.

I'm not voting for him unless he gets his ground launch restriction removed.

[John Seaborn]

Very true as I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Kerry out at Estrella one
fine day in April several years ago. Not fond of his politics but he
thermals well which counts for somthing.


"mm" > wrote in message >...
> I just checked the FAA databases, and it shows that John Kerry has, among
> other ratings, a Gilder Aerotow Only rating.

[RHWOODY]

I'm not voting for him period!

[BTIZ]

"John Seaborn" > wrote in message
om...
> Very true as I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Kerry out at Estrella one
> fine day in April several years ago. Not fond of his politics but he
> thermals well which counts for somthing.
>

Is that because he is used to being around a lot of hot air?

BT

[Jay Todd]

Thermals well? Hmmmmmmmmm - yes, I seem to have read something about
his going around in circles a lot ... now we know why!


(John Seaborn) wrote in message >...
> Very true as I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Kerry out at Estrella one
> fine day in April several years ago. Not fond of his politics but he
> thermals well which counts for somthing.
>
>
> "mm" > wrote in message >...
> > I just checked the FAA databases, and it shows that John Kerry has, among
> > other ratings, a Gilder Aerotow Only rating.

[Liam Finley]

His opponent, W, was never much of a pilot, but reportedly did know how to get high.

[JJ Sinclair]

>
>His opponent, W, was never much of a pilot, but reportedly did know how to
>get high.
>

W's opponent is a war hero, but he can't remember where he put all the medals
he was awarded. I remember, do you?
JJ Sinclair

[Vorsanger1]

How do you know he was not much of a pilot ? What are your sources ?

Cheers anyhow, Charles

[John Shelton]

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html

No need to be cute. He was a rich-kid chicken**** who hid in the Texas Air
Guard, not a fighter pilot.



"Vorsanger1" > wrote in message
...
> How do you know he was not much of a pilot ? What are your sources ?
>
> Cheers anyhow, Charles

[Shawn Curry]

JJ Sinclair wrote:

>>His opponent, W, was never much of a pilot, but reportedly did know how to
>>get high.
>>
>
>
> W's opponent is a war hero, but he can't remember where he put all the medals
> he was awarded. I remember, do you?
> JJ Sinclair

Does W. remember where his are? Oh wait, he was running a campaign in
Alabama. I don't think they award combat medals for that. Hell, he was
skipping out on the duty he used to skip out on the war (Big deal, IMHO,
that's the least of our problems with W.)

Shawn
P.S. I stil have my fathers Vietnam medals.

[JJ Sinclair]

>P.S. I stil have my fathers Vietnam medals.

That's because he (your father) didn't throw them away.
JJ Sinclair

[Stewart Kissel]

Oh this will be much more entertaining then our annul
PW5 flame-fest.

Let's remember this is not an USA only discussion group,
well on second though maybe one of our rainy island
types could provide details of Tony Blair's piloting
exploits.

Hey Shelton, see URL for much more detailed source
material.
http://www.awolbush.com/

[Jack]

On 2/18/04 4:16 PM, in article
et, "John Shelton"
> wrote:

> http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html
>
> No need to be cute. He was a rich-kid chicken**** who hid in the Texas Air
> Guard, not a fighter pilot.

You believe what you read in Mother Jones?


-----
Jack
-----

[Jack]

On 2/18/04 4:26 PM, in article eERYb.72935$uV3.528251@attbi_s51, "Shawn
Curry" > wrote:

> [W] was > skipping out on the duty he used to skip out on the war....

> P.S. I stil have my fathers Vietnam medals.

And how would your father have voted?



-----
Jack

[Shawn Curry]

JJ Sinclair wrote:

>>P.S. I stil have my fathers Vietnam medals.
>
>
> That's because he (your father) didn't throw them away.
> JJ Sinclair

Not exactly
http://www.no-quarter.org/code/details.cgi?IDNO=O5213456

[Shawn Curry]

Jack wrote:

> On 2/18/04 4:26 PM, in article eERYb.72935$uV3.528251@attbi_s51, "Shawn
> Curry" > wrote:
>
>
>>[W] was > skipping out on the duty he used to skip out on the war....
>
>
>>P.S. I stil have my fathers Vietnam medals.
>
>
> And how would your father have voted?

That would be a bit of a stretch. He was KIA 35 years ago. His sister
is a very moderate Republican. He married into a brutally liberal
family (I mean seriously. They even scare me sometimes!) I have my
suspicions, but its not very American to vote for the dead (despite
history).

Cheers,
Shawn

[Vorsanger1]

The original message was that "he was not much of a pilot". The original
questions remain: how does the poster know, what are the sources ?

As far as I am concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone, who qualifies to fly an
F-102 is more of a pilot than I am.

Cheers, Charles

[Duane Eisenbeiss]

"Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
news:_VSYb.341035$I06.3556802@attbi_s01...
> Jack wrote:
>
> > On 2/18/04 4:26 PM, in article eERYb.72935$uV3.528251@attbi_s51, "Shawn
> > Curry" > wrote:
> >
>................ but its not very American to vote for the dead (despite
history).
> Cheers,
> Shawn

You are not from Chicago are you.

[JJ Sinclair]

>
>As far as I am concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone, who qualifies to fly an
>F-102 is more of a pilot than I am.
>
>Cheers, Charles
>

I'm with you Charles. Also, I wouldn't throw too many stones at the guard
units, because we all know where they are right now. Also, the California
National Guard was called up at the start of that other Asian war (Korea) and
they took 80% casualties. One doesn't know exactly where and when the guard
will be called on to serve the country.
God Bless them All,
JJ Sinclair

[John Shelton]

The deuce was a relatively easy airplane to fly as almost all military
planes are. I think it's funny that a guy who shoots touch-and-go's in
variable wind in a Champ---or someone who does aerobatics in a 220
Stearman---or flies cancelled checks in a Beech 18--or used to fly a Newport
in The Great War would think he is a lesser pilot than a military jet
fighter pilot. I crawled into a Mach 2 fighter with around 250 hours flying
time. Hell, I wouldn't loan my glider to a guy with 250 hours. When I owned
a cropdusting company, I wouldn't hire a pilot who hadn't crashed a plane or
been cited for drift damage yet.

The missions are tougher and the outcome is often more grisly and the
demands to think fast are higher but as far as stick and rudder?...no.

An F-102 might be a better airplane than your Discus but that has no bearing
on the ability of the pilot.

"Vorsanger1" > wrote in message
...
> The original message was that "he was not much of a pilot". The original
> questions remain: how does the poster know, what are the sources ?
>
> As far as I am concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone, who qualifies to fly
an
> F-102 is more of a pilot than I am.
>
> Cheers, Charles

[Shawn Curry]

Duane Eisenbeiss wrote:
> "Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
> news:_VSYb.341035$I06.3556802@attbi_s01...
>
>>Jack wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 2/18/04 4:26 PM, in article eERYb.72935$uV3.528251@attbi_s51, "Shawn
>>>Curry" > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>................ but its not very American to vote for the dead (despite
>
> history).
>
>>Cheers,
>>Shawn
>
>
> You are not from Chicago are you.
>
>
Hehehehe No.

[Greg Arnold]

Vorsanger1 wrote:

> The original message was that "he was not much of a pilot". The original
> questions remain: how does the poster know, what are the sources ?
>
> As far as I am concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone, who qualifies to fly an
> F-102 is more of a pilot than I am.
>
> Cheers, Charles


A "fighter pilot" is someone who begs for more F-102 time, not someone
who decides to bring his flying career to an early end. Saying that
Bush was a "fighter pilot" is like saying that you are a "soaring pilot"
if you have your license but would rather do anything than fly gliders.



..

[Liam Finley]

(JJ Sinclair) wrote in message >...
> >
> >His opponent, W, was never much of a pilot, but reportedly did know how to
> >get high.
> >
>
> W's opponent is a war hero, but he can't remember where he put all the medals
> he was awarded. I remember, do you?
> JJ Sinclair

The SSA awarded me a silver "medal" for the heroic feat of flying a
glider 50 kilometers. For the life of me I can't remember where I put
it.

[Steve Bralla]

> writes:

>You believe what you read in Mother Jones?
>

Never! Rush told me not to.

[Kilo Charlie]

"Steve Bralla" > wrote in message
...
> > writes:
>
> >You believe what you read in Mother Jones?
> >
>
> Never! Rush told me not to.

And to jail all those drug addicts that use oxycontin too eh?!

[Littleboy]

In article t>,
says...
> The deuce was a relatively easy airplane to fly as almost all military
> planes are. I think it's funny that a guy who shoots touch-and-go's in
> variable wind in a Champ---or someone who does aerobatics in a 220
> Stearman---or flies cancelled checks in a Beech 18--or used to fly a Newport
> in The Great War would think he is a lesser pilot than a military jet
> fighter pilot. I crawled into a Mach 2 fighter with around 250 hours flying
> time. Hell, I wouldn't loan my glider to a guy with 250 hours. When I owned
> a cropdusting company, I wouldn't hire a pilot who hadn't crashed a plane or
> been cited for drift damage yet.
>
> The missions are tougher and the outcome is often more grisly and the
> demands to think fast are higher but as far as stick and rudder?...no.
>
> An F-102 might be a better airplane than your Discus but that has no bearing
> on the ability of the pilot.

Well said.


>
> "Vorsanger1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The original message was that "he was not much of a pilot". The original
> > questions remain: how does the poster know, what are the sources ?
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, anyone, and I mean anyone, who qualifies to fly
> an
> > F-102 is more of a pilot than I am.
> >
> > Cheers, Charles
>
>
>

[Christian Husvik]

Stewart Kissel wrote:

> Let's remember this is not an USA only discussion group,

Aren't the rest of us granted the right to vote in the US presidential
election soon anyway? I mean, since the USA seems to control so much of
what's going on in the world, it's only fair that we have a say in how
you are governing yourselves and us ;-)

But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
knows what war is and has experienced one. He would be less likely to
involve your country in another one.

Christian 8-)

[Jack]

On 2/19/04 1:03 AM, in article , "Christian Husvik"
> wrote:

> I think you should vote for a president who actually
> knows what war is and has experienced one. He would be
> less likely to involve your country in another one.

Wishful thinking.


-----
Jack
-----

[Nyal Williams]

C,mon guys! This is an international newsgroup about
gliding. Unless we're going to run KS for President,
let's drop this thread.



At 04:12 19 February 2004, Kilo Charlie wrote:
>
>'Steve Bralla' wrote in message
...
>> writes:
>>
>> >You believe what you read in Mother Jones?
>> >
>>
>> Never! Rush told me not to.
>
>And to jail all those drug addicts that use oxycontin
>too eh?!
>
>
>

[Don Johnstone]

Oh I don't know. Are you going to vote this time or
just let the court decide :-)

At 17:24 19 February 2004, Nyal Williams wrote:
>C,mon guys! This is an international newsgroup about
>gliding. Unless we're going to run KS for President,
>let's drop this thread.
>
>
>
>At 04:12 19 February 2004, Kilo Charlie wrote:
>>
>>'Steve Bralla' wrote in message
...
>>> writes:
>>>
>>> >You believe what you read in Mother Jones?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Never! Rush told me not to.
>>
>>And to jail all those drug addicts that use oxycontin
>>too eh?!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

[Sven Olivier]

We are mainly flying down here in the western cape (we post most fligths on
OLC) and are having a good season.
regards
Sven Olivier
"Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
news:Vg7Zb.14042$Xp.76576@attbi_s54...
> Nyal Williams wrote:
>
> > C,mon guys! This is an international newsgroup about
> > gliding. Unless we're going to run KS for President,
> > let's drop this thread.
> >
> C'mon yerself. It snowed another inch this morning.
> Where are all the posts from the Southern Hemisphere types anyway. Are
> they flying or watching Friends reruns? Lets hear about it, or you're
> gonna get more U.S. election B.S
> You have been warned!
>
> Shawn

[Thomas F. Dixon]

Pilots of all aircraft/airplanes/choppers etc. should consider the
possible problems if Kerry is elected. The last time a president
came to Boise, before 9-11, it messed things up for a number of hours.
Just think about what will happen to Idaho airspace while he flys
into Boise then changes to something smaller to go to Sun Valley,
where his family - read that, his present wife - has a vacation home.
Look at the problems pilots have when Bush goes to Camp David or his
TX ranch etc. Some of those closed airspaces are almost bigger than
Idaho.

Tom

Idaho

[Bill Daniels]

"Thomas F. Dixon" > wrote in message
om...
> Pilots of all aircraft/airplanes/choppers etc. should consider the
> possible problems if Kerry is elected. The last time a president
> came to Boise, before 9-11, it messed things up for a number of hours.
> Just think about what will happen to Idaho airspace while he flys
> into Boise then changes to something smaller to go to Sun Valley,
> where his family - read that, his present wife - has a vacation home.
> Look at the problems pilots have when Bush goes to Camp David or his
> TX ranch etc. Some of those closed airspaces are almost bigger than
> Idaho.
>
> Tom
>
> Idaho

Look on the bright side. If the SSA were to write a President Kerry
regarding airspace issues, glider pilot to glider pilot, he might instruct
the Secretary of Transportation to deal with the issue in a constructive
way. That's probably a better deal than we have now. It never hurts to
have friends in high places.

Might be wishful thinking though.

Bill Daniels

[Shawn Curry]

Bill Daniels wrote:

> "Thomas F. Dixon" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>Pilots of all aircraft/airplanes/choppers etc. should consider the
>>possible problems if Kerry is elected. The last time a president
>>came to Boise, before 9-11, it messed things up for a number of hours.
>> Just think about what will happen to Idaho airspace while he flys
>>into Boise then changes to something smaller to go to Sun Valley,
>>where his family - read that, his present wife - has a vacation home.
>>Look at the problems pilots have when Bush goes to Camp David or his
>>TX ranch etc. Some of those closed airspaces are almost bigger than
>>Idaho.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>Idaho
>
>
> Look on the bright side. If the SSA were to write a President Kerry
> regarding airspace issues, glider pilot to glider pilot, he might instruct
> the Secretary of Transportation to deal with the issue in a constructive
> way. That's probably a better deal than we have now. It never hurts to
> have friends in high places.
>
> Might be wishful thinking though.
>
> Bill Daniels
>
I don't think so. Part of the whole TFR size issue has to do with
maintaining fear. Cynical, but if people continue to worry, they'll
continue to support the president who they feel handled the post 9/11
environment well. When he looses that fear, he looses a portion of that
support.
On a negative side for Kerry-Think about the roving TFR that would
follow him if he decided to go soaring. Geeze, don't fly in the gaggle
with the F-16s!

Cheers,
Shawn

[Libelle Driver]

When is the last time he flew a glider?

[Robert Ehrlich]

Stewart Kissel wrote:
>
> Oh this will be much more entertaining then our annul
> PW5 flame-fest.
>
> Let's remember this is not an USA only discussion group,
> well on second though maybe one of our rainy island
> types could provide details of Tony Blair's piloting
> exploits.
>
One of our politicians in France, Michel Rocard, who was
prime minister during the second presidence of Francois
Mitterand, is known as being a glider pilot. He was flying
in my club, at the time when I was not already member nor
flying. People who were there at that time say that he came
always with a lot of bodyguards and during his flights an
helicopter of the army was flying around. After he decided
to no more compete for high polititcal positions, but just
remain the mayor of a little town, a weekly magazine showed
a picture of him in a glider as an illustration of his new
interests, but it was obvious for any glider pilot that the
picture had its left and right side swapped: the sliding window
and the opening handle of his parachutes were on his right
side.

[David Hodgson]

At 12:18 20 February 2004, Robert Ehrlich wrote:
>Stewart Kissel wrote:
>>
>>
>> Let's remember this is not an USA only discussion
>>group,
>> well on second though maybe one of our rainy island
>> types could provide details of Tony Blair's piloting
>> exploits

Not sure about Tony Blair's piloting skills but I am
sure they would be dubious.
It would appear he tries to use SPIN to get out of
tricky situations!

[d b]

I knew it! I just knew it! All those left wingers were
really right wingers. Or was it the opposite?


In article >, Robert Ehrlich
> wrote:
>Stewart Kissel wrote:
>>
>> Oh this will be much more entertaining then our annul
>> PW5 flame-fest.
>>
>> Let's remember this is not an USA only discussion group,
>> well on second though maybe one of our rainy island
>> types could provide details of Tony Blair's piloting
>> exploits.
>>
>One of our politicians in France, Michel Rocard, who was
>prime minister during the second presidence of Francois
>Mitterand, is known as being a glider pilot. He was flying
>in my club, at the time when I was not already member nor
>flying. People who were there at that time say that he came
>always with a lot of bodyguards and during his flights an
>helicopter of the army was flying around. After he decided
>to no more compete for high polititcal positions, but just
>remain the mayor of a little town, a weekly magazine showed
>a picture of him in a glider as an illustration of his new
>interests, but it was obvious for any glider pilot that the
>picture had its left and right side swapped: the sliding window
>and the opening handle of his parachutes were on his right
>side.

[JJ Sinclair]

>It would appear he tries to use SPIN to get out of
>tricky situations!
>

Come on now, The one thing the Brits really know how to do, is SPIN.
JJ Sinclair

[Chris OCallaghan]

According to A8, several years ago.

I know, it's off topic, but politics aside, military service aside,
right stuff aside, don't you find "W" a little miscast as "leader of
the free world." It's embarrassing every time he takes the world stage
to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.
In the meantime, he draws most of his credibility from the brutal
efficiency of our armed forces rather than the wisdom of his cabinet
(we all had such high hopes for them 3 years ago...). Frankly, I think
the guy is only secure in his job so long as the war drums continue to
sound. But at some point, even that will not be enough. We've probably
slaughtered more than a quarter million Iraqis over the past decade
and a half, and maybe another million indirectly. And while pride over
a difficult mission accomplished buoys us for the time being, history
will probably see it as hubris, and list it among its other infamies.

I don't see how any president could sleep nights balancing the needs
of the country's security with what is morally right. This guy seems
to have no trouble. In his book, evil is absolute and can be
indentified by which side of a border line you are on. Wisdom must
balance action. This guy is decidedly unbalanced.

So let's see, a war we probably didn't need to fight, my taxes have
gone up, not down. My last glider cost me an additional $20K because
this guy couldn't make up his mind over supporting a strong (or even
equitable dollar), the trade deficit continues to grow (so much for
the advantages of a weak dollar), and the economy continues to be very
nervous. Oh, and bipartisanism still reigns. His solution: a
constitutional ammendment against gay marriage. Maybe the republicans
should be quietly looking for a conservative Democrat to elect.
Hmmm... Well, at least he flies gliders. I'm not aware that W ever
flew for any other reason than duty.

"Libelle Driver" > wrote in message >...
> When is the last time he flew a glider?

[Martin Gregorie]

On 20 Feb 2004 14:04:22 GMT, (JJ Sinclair) wrote:

>>It would appear he tries to use SPIN to get out of
>>tricky situations!
>>
>
>Come on now, The one thing the Brits really know how to do, is SPIN.

Tony Blair is *not* a full cat instructor (at least I hope not) though
its true his spinning is up to that standard.

Imagine, if you will, a club with:

CFI: Tony Blair as CFI
DCFI: Jack Straw and David Blunkett
Chief winch driver: John Prescott

Would you join it?

--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :

[Don Johnstone]

OK guys, over the past few years you have had a B movie
actor, a peanut farmer, an eavesdropper and dear old
Bill who could not keep it in his trousers, did any
of them know diddly squit? This bloke sounds ideal
he even has the initials to take the world to the brink
of a world war, a feat not achieved even by the shrubbery
x 2. Mark you it could be worse, you could have president,
sorry my mistake, prime minister Tony Blair. In fact
there is a thought, you could have him on a free transfer,
in fact we could have a whip round and collect enough
money so we could pay you to take him, please.
Failing that there is always the govenor of California,
Hasta la vista baby, I'll be back.

At 14:30 20 February 2004, Chris Ocallaghan wrote:
>According to A8, several years ago.
>
>I know, it's off topic, but politics aside, military
>service aside,
>right stuff aside, don't you find 'W' a little miscast
>as 'leader of
>the free world.' It's embarrassing every time he takes
>the world stage
>to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted
>or extempore.
>In the meantime, he draws most of his credibility from
>the brutal
>efficiency of our armed forces rather than the wisdom
>of his cabinet
>(we all had such high hopes for them 3 years ago...).
>Frankly, I think
>the guy is only secure in his job so long as the war
>drums continue to
>sound. But at some point, even that will not be enough.
>We've probably
>slaughtered more than a quarter million Iraqis over
>the past decade
>and a half, and maybe another million indirectly. And
>while pride over
>a difficult mission accomplished buoys us for the time
>being, history
>will probably see it as hubris, and list it among its
>other infamies.
>
>I don't see how any president could sleep nights balancing
>the needs
>of the country's security with what is morally right.
>This guy seems
>to have no trouble. In his book, evil is absolute and
>can be
>indentified by which side of a border line you are
>on. Wisdom must
>balance action. This guy is decidedly unbalanced.
>
>So let's see, a war we probably didn't need to fight,
>my taxes have
>gone up, not down. My last glider cost me an additional
>$20K because
>this guy couldn't make up his mind over supporting
>a strong (or even
>equitable dollar), the trade deficit continues to grow
>(so much for
>the advantages of a weak dollar), and the economy continues
>to be very
>nervous. Oh, and bipartisanism still reigns. His solution:
>a
>constitutional ammendment against gay marriage. Maybe
>the republicans
>should be quietly looking for a conservative Democrat
>to elect.
>Hmmm... Well, at least he flies gliders. I'm not aware
>that W ever
>flew for any other reason than duty.
>
>'Libelle Driver' wrote in message news:...
>> When is the last time he flew a glider?
>

[Nyal Williams]

At 02:12 20 February 2004, Shawn Curry wrote:
>Bill Daniels wrote:
>
>> 'Thomas F. Dixon' wrote in message
>> om...
>>
>>>Pilots of all aircraft/airplanes/choppers etc. should
>>>consider the
>>>possible problems if Kerry is elected. The last time
>>>a president
>>>came to Boise, before 9-11, it messed things up for
>>>a number of hours.
>>> Just think about what will happen to Idaho airspace
>>>while he flys
>>>into Boise then changes to something smaller to go
>>>to Sun Valley,
>>>where his family - read that, his present wife - has
>>>a vacation home.
>>>Look at the problems pilots have when Bush goes to
>>>Camp David or his
>>>TX ranch etc. Some of those closed airspaces are almost
>>>bigger than
>>>Idaho.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Idaho
>>
>>
>> Look on the bright side. If the SSA were to write
>>a President Kerry
>> regarding airspace issues, glider pilot to glider
>>pilot, he might instruct
>> the Secretary of Transportation to deal with the issue
>>in a constructive
>> way. That's probably a better deal than we have now.
>> It never hurts to
>> have friends in high places.
>>
>> Might be wishful thinking though.
>>
>> Bill Daniels
>>
>I don't think so. Part of the whole TFR size issue
>has to do with
>maintaining fear. Cynical, but if people continue
>to worry, they'll
>continue to support the president who they feel handled
>the post 9/11
>environment well. When he looses that fear, he looses
>a portion of that
>support.
>On a negative side for Kerry-Think about the roving
>TFR that would
>follow him if he decided to go soaring. Geeze, don't
>fly in the gaggle
>with the F-16s!
>

Look at it this way; the FBI would have to buy a half-dozen
gliders to be in the gaggle with him. Where would
that lead?

[Nyal Williams]

> Look at it this way; the FBI would have to buy a
>half-dozen
>gliders to be in the gaggle with him. Where would
>that lead?
>
>
>
>
>Actually, the burning question for this group is this:

Will John Shelton have to quit drawing Pez and start
drawing Prez?

[mm]

"Chris OCallaghan" > wrote in message
om...
> According to A8, several years ago.
>
> I know, it's off topic, but politics aside, military service aside,
> right stuff aside, don't you find "W" a little miscast as "leader of
> the free world." It's embarrassing every time he takes the world stage
> to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.
<snip snip snip>


You're absolutely right, you're way off topic.

[Bruce Hoult]

In article >,
(Thomas F. Dixon) wrote:

> Pilots of all aircraft/airplanes/choppers etc. should consider the
> possible problems if Kerry is elected. The last time a president
> came to Boise, before 9-11, it messed things up for a number of hours.
> Just think about what will happen to Idaho airspace while he flys
> into Boise then changes to something smaller to go to Sun Valley,
> where his family - read that, his present wife - has a vacation home.
> Look at the problems pilots have when Bush goes to Camp David or his
> TX ranch etc. Some of those closed airspaces are almost bigger than
> Idaho.

You guys sure are careful with your presidents.

A recent Prime Minister of New Zealand was an active race car driver --
the one before that took a part as the narattor in a production of the
Rocky Horror Show. Our current one likes to climb serious mountains --
and with her husband, not with a couple of dozen lackies.

-- Bruce

[Eric Greenwell]

Bruce Hoult wrote:

> You guys sure are careful with your presidents.
>
> A recent Prime Minister of New Zealand was an active race car driver --
> the one before that took a part as the narattor in a production of the
> Rocky Horror Show. Our current one likes to climb serious mountains --
> and with her husband, not with a couple of dozen lackies.
>

Make that singular: "president". We didn't do this before we became
aware that some people were so seriously annoyed with us. (I know, we're
slow learners).

And a sense of perspective: the mayor of Los Angeles has as many people
in his "country" as New Zealand's Prime Minister, and he doesn't get a
TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) either.

Nonetheless, I'd prefer to live in NZ than LA, even if your Prime
Minister did have a TFR that followed her around.

--
-----
change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Jim Vincent]

>every time he takes the world stage
>> to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.

Hey, he did say that most of our imports come from overseas.

Jim Vincent
CFIG
N483SZ

[Bill Daniels]

"Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
...
> >every time he takes the world stage
> >> to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.
>
> Hey, he did say that most of our imports come from overseas.
>
> Jim Vincent
> CFIG
> N483SZ
>

Yup, Dubya has a magnificent grasp of the obvious.

Bill Daniels

[Bruce Hoult]

In article >,
(Jim Vincent) wrote:

> >every time he takes the world stage
> >> to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.
>
> Hey, he did say that most of our imports come from overseas.

Just guessing, but I imagine some come from Canada or Mexico, too.

-- Bruce

[Stewart Kissel]

At 04:18 21 February 2004, Bruce Hoult wrote:
>In article ,
> (Jim Vincent) wrote:
>
>> >every time he takes the world stage
>> >> to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted
>>>>or extempore.
>>
>> Hey, he did say that most of our imports come from
>>overseas.
>
>Just guessing, but I imagine some come from Canada
>or Mexico, too.
>
>-- Bruce

Better then listening to him mangle 'nuculear'
>

[Michael McNulty]

"Stewart Kissel" > wrote in
message ...
> At 04:18 21 February 2004, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> >In article ,
> > (Jim Vincent) wrote:
> >
>
> Better then listening to him mangle 'nuculear'
> >
>
>
>
I'll he even says "then" sometimes when he really means "than". Can you
imagine?

[John Shelton]

My governor can whip your governor's butt!

[John Shelton]

Oh, pleaze.

> >
> >Actually, the burning question for this group is this:
>
> Will John Shelton have to quit drawing Pez and start
> drawing Prez?
>
>
>

[Bruce Greeff]

Bill Daniels wrote:

> "Jim Vincent" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>every time he takes the world stage
>>>
>>>>to demonstrate his keen perceptions -- either scripted or extempore.
>>
>>Hey, he did say that most of our imports come from overseas.
>>
>>Jim Vincent
>>CFIG
>>N483SZ

>
>
> Yup, Dubya has a magnificent grasp of the obvious.
>
> Bill Daniels
>
I'm not sure he has a magnificent grasp of anything much, but then I'm a natural
cynic.

[Shawn Curry]

John Shelton wrote:

> My governor can whip your governor's butt!
>
>
Cool! Send him to Denver.

Thanks,
Shawn

[Stewart Kissel]

At 20:18 22 February 2004, Shawn Curry wrote:
>John Shelton wrote:
>
>> My governor can whip your governor's butt!
>>
>>
>Cool! Send him to Denver.
>
>Thanks,
>Shawn
>
And then have him head up the road to CU.

[Shawn Curry]

Stewart Kissel wrote:

> At 20:18 22 February 2004, Shawn Curry wrote:
>
>>John Shelton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My governor can whip your governor's butt!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Cool! Send him to Denver.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Shawn
>>
>
> And then have him head up the road to CU.

There's a thought!

[Denis Flament]

Christian Husvik wrote:

> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
> knows what war is and has experienced one.

That's just what W. did last year, didn't he ?

--
Denis

R. Parce que ça rompt le cours normal de la conversation !!!
Q. Pourquoi ne faut-il pas répondre au-dessus de la question ?

[Stefan]

> Christian Husvik wrote:

>> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>> knows what war is and has experienced one.

Maybe you should start to look for a president who knows what peace is
and how to achieve it? Just an opinion from the rest of the world.

Stefan

[Christian Husvik]

Denis Flament wrote:
> Christian Husvik wrote:
>
>> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>
> That's just what W. did last year, didn't he ?

I don't know. He did start one or two, but he didn't actively take part
himself, did he?

Chrisitian 8-)

>

[Kirk Stant]

Stefan > wrote in message >...
> > Christian Husvik wrote:
>
> >> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
> >> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>
> Maybe you should start to look for a president who knows what peace is
> and how to achieve it? Just an opinion from the rest of the world.
>
> Stefan


Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.

As far as I'm concerned, peace through superior firepower suits me
fine.

Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...

Now, can we get back to soaring?

Kirk

[RHWOODY]

I believe what is meant here is that all
of us in the USA were drawn into war
by the events of 9/11 - including W -
we know what war is and we have had
experience in war - this war is still in
progress - and until the terrorists are
captured or killed, this war continues.

[RHWOODY]

When one responds to an attack like
9/11, it is not "starting" a war - that
war was started by the 9/11 terrorists -
regarding the Gulf War 2 - that war
was brought on by Saddam refusing
to abide by the agreements of the
surrender following Gulf War 1 - since
the UN could not agree to enforce
the existing agreements of the surrender,
the US took on that task with the help
of several other countries. Now Saddam
is removed from power, Kahn has
admitted his bad deeds in the past,
Lybia has given up its nuclear actions,
and IMHO the world is better off.
Before anyone points the finger at someone for "starting" a war - they
should look at what preceded the so-called starting of war. Of course
everyone has their own version based
on their own bias. You are entitled
to your own opinion - just like I am.
The true facts remain the same - only
the interpretation is different.

[Bert Willing]

CNN & Fox brainwashing seems to work perfectly.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Kirk Stant" > a écrit dans le message de
om...
> Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
> a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, peace through superior firepower suits me
> fine.
>
> Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...
>
> Now, can we get back to soaring?
>
> Kirk

[Olivier Bertoe]

dixit Kirk:
> Stefan > wrote in message >...
>> > Christian Husvik wrote:
>>
>> >> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>> >> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>>
>> Maybe you should start to look for a president who knows what peace is
>> and how to achieve it? Just an opinion from the rest of the world.
>>
>> Stefan
>
>
> Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
> a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.

Couldn't agree more. Though it has been going on for quite some time
now, it has been getting substantially stronger lately. It goes by
many names: "class war", "imperialism", "colonialism", "genocide".
Oh yes, "war on terror", too.

On a global scale, it is yielding many 9/11's _a day_.


>
> As far as I'm concerned, peace through superior firepower suits me
> fine.

Superior ? Are you planing to _nuke_ the pentagon ? The FMI ? The
European Round Table ? Or are you referring to the kids getting
blown to pieces while "enduring" freedom shock-and-awe style ?


>
> Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...

You are absolutely right. The possibility for massive terrorism is
real and rising sharply, thanks in no small part to the policies of
the folks currently holding office in Washington. One more reason to
press for an end to the madness.


>
> Now, can we get back to soaring?

I'd love to. In a peaceful world, that is. The last time i sat in a
glider, B52's were taken to fly over on their tour of rampage. Sort
of takes the pleasure out of the ride...


>
> Kirk


Olivier Bertoe

[Olivier Bertoe]

dixit RHWOODY:
> I believe what is meant here is that all
> of us in the USA were drawn into war
> by the events of 9/11 - including W -
> we know what war is and we have had
> experience in war - this war is still in
> progress - and until the terrorists are
> captured or killed, this war continues.


I would suggest getting them out of office first...


Olivier Bertoe

[mm]

"Olivier Bertoe" > wrote in message
...
>
> dixit Kirk:
> > Stefan > wrote in message
>...
> >> > Christian Husvik wrote:
> >>
> >> >> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
> >> >> knows what war is and has experienced one.
> >>
> >
> > Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...
>

Won't happen. That's where they keep their money.

[[email protected]]

Oliver, Stefan, Christian ...

We need to keep one thing in mind.

These terrorists that war is being waged on WILL NOT;

1. Listen to reason
2. Be bargained with
3. Stop until they have killed as many innocentsas possible in the
name of their cause.

They will not stop until they are dead.

Now let's talk about gliding.

On 25 Feb 2004 16:15:39 GMT, Olivier Bertoe
> wrote:

>
>dixit Kirk:
>> Stefan > wrote in message >...
>>> > Christian Husvik wrote:
>>>
>>> >> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>>> >> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>>>
>>> Maybe you should start to look for a president who knows what peace is
>>> and how to achieve it? Just an opinion from the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>
>>
>> Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
>> a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.
>
>Couldn't agree more. Though it has been going on for quite some time
>now, it has been getting substantially stronger lately. It goes by
>many names: "class war", "imperialism", "colonialism", "genocide".
>Oh yes, "war on terror", too.
>
>On a global scale, it is yielding many 9/11's _a day_.
>
>
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, peace through superior firepower suits me
>> fine.
>
>Superior ? Are you planing to _nuke_ the pentagon ? The FMI ? The
>European Round Table ? Or are you referring to the kids getting
>blown to pieces while "enduring" freedom shock-and-awe style ?
>
>
>>
>> Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...
>
>You are absolutely right. The possibility for massive terrorism is
>real and rising sharply, thanks in no small part to the policies of
>the folks currently holding office in Washington. One more reason to
>press for an end to the madness.
>
>
>>
>> Now, can we get back to soaring?
>
>I'd love to. In a peaceful world, that is. The last time i sat in a
>glider, B52's were taken to fly over on their tour of rampage. Sort
>of takes the pleasure out of the ride...
>
>
>>
>> Kirk
>
>
>Olivier Bertoe

[303pilot]

Alternatively, we could stop meddling in the affairs of other nations.

Terrorists don't hate us because we're free. They hate us because we meddle
in their internal affairs and don't take responsibility for the results.
Before we intervene in another country, we should first ask if it is any of
our business and second ask if we're sowing seeds of discontent that may
bloom in violence.

We could significantly lower our target profile without putting national
interests at risk. There's Zen for you, meet force with nothing.

It's that or, that what they're really ****ed about is us finding out they
wanted to train people to fly crop dusters and we put an end to that. You
see, they were all going to join the brotherhood of glider pilots until we
stopped their tow plane training program.

"RHWOODY" > wrote in message
...
> I believe what is meant here is that all
> of us in the USA were drawn into war
> by the events of 9/11 - including W -
> we know what war is and we have had
> experience in war - this war is still in
> progress - and until the terrorists are
> captured or killed, this war continues.

[RHWOODY]

And you probably propose we
"hug these terrorists to death"???
Sorry pal, that does not work!
See it as it is - war!

[Shawn Curry]

RHWOODY wrote:
> And you probably propose we
> "hug these terrorists to death"???
> Sorry pal, that does not work!
> See it as it is - war!


The idea behind meeting force with nothing is that force falls on its
face. We tried to hug Sadam to death in the 80s. See how well that worked?
http://www.jeffooi.com/archives/000265.php

[Mark James Boyd]

I just found this great place for talking about Bush!!!!
Let's all go there and post stuff!!!!

alt.politics.bush

And there's another group for terrorism!!! This is exciting!!!
Let's post stuff there too!!! Neato!

alt.security.terrorism

[303pilot]

....and how far back you look for context.
A brief history of the US's flip-flopping Mid-East interventions can be
found here:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html

Saddam was our boy against Iran. When he asked what the US would do if he
invaded Kuwait, the US ambassador to Iraq said, 'nothing, we won't intervene
in an inter-Arab dispute'. A week later he invades Kuwait and walks into
history's biggest sucker punch. But at the end of that war we flip-flop
again, turning a blind eye as Saddam solves his Kurdish problem with
chemical weapons (after we'd encouraged the Kurds to rise up against
Saddam).
Then, we invade again because he doesn't turn over the WMD that the UN
couldn't find but that Shrub insisted existed (CIA evidence to the
contrary). Turns out he couldn't turn them over because they didn't exist.
But hey, no apologies required--we'll stick around until you voluntarily put
in place a government we can control, er, I mean one that we agree with, er,
is democratic, er, as we define it...

The Taliban were our pawns against the Soviet Union. In the summer of 2001,
just months before 9-11, we paid the Taliban $43 million (
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html ).

Sorry.... I'll stop now. Wayyyyy off topic.

but it's sooo cloudy and drizzly here <--weather reference = on topic

"RHWOODY" > wrote in message
...
> When one responds to an attack like
> 9/11, it is not "starting" a war - that
> war was started by the 9/11 terrorists -
> regarding the Gulf War 2 - that war
> was brought on by Saddam refusing
> to abide by the agreements of the
> surrender following Gulf War 1 - since
> the UN could not agree to enforce
> the existing agreements of the surrender,
> the US took on that task with the help
> of several other countries. Now Saddam
> is removed from power, Kahn has
> admitted his bad deeds in the past,
> Lybia has given up its nuclear actions,
> and IMHO the world is better off.
> Before anyone points the finger at someone for "starting" a war - they
> should look at what preceded the so-called starting of war. Of course
> everyone has their own version based
> on their own bias. You are entitled
> to your own opinion - just like I am.
> The true facts remain the same - only
> the interpretation is different.

[Marc Ramsey]

RHWOODY wrote:
> I believe what is meant here is that all
> of us in the USA were drawn into war
> by the events of 9/11 - including W -
> we know what war is and we have had
> experience in war - this war is still in
> progress - and until the terrorists are
> captured or killed, this war continues.

Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis hijacked those planes
and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we were reluctantly
forced to invade their countries, so they would never be tempted to mess
with us again. We needed to make these people behave properly, like our
good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with you America haters?

Marc

[Jack]

On 2/25/04 10:15 AM, in article ,
"Olivier Bertoe" > wrote:

> I'd love to [get back to soaring]. In a peaceful world, that is.

You won't live that long Olivier. Better do it now.


Jack
--------------------------------------------------
Freedom Isn't Free! See the Future in History:
bondage > faith > courage > liberty > abundance >
complacency > apathy > dependence > bondage.
--------------------------------------------------

[Shaber CJ]

>Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
>a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.
>

So a "Pre-emptive strike on Iraq who did not harbor terrorists or WMD is a good
way to win a war on terror? Is it also a good way to win friends in the world
community?

[Nyal Williams]

At 20:06 25 February 2004, Marc Ramsey wrote:
>RHWOODY wrote:
>> I believe what is meant here is that all
>> of us in the USA were drawn into war
>> by the events of 9/11 - including W -
>> we know what war is and we have had
>> experience in war - this war is still in
>> progress - and until the terrorists are
>> captured or killed, this war continues.
>
>Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis
>hijacked those planes
>and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we
>were reluctantly
>forced to invade their countries, so they would never
>be tempted to mess
>with us again. We needed to make these people behave
>properly, like our
>good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with
>you America haters?
>
>Marc


Now, Marc!

Next you'll be saying that everyone who doesn't toe
YOUR line hates America. Some people love it by beating
its drum; others love it by trying to improve it.


Did you ever look at a piece of coal under a single
point source of light? It looks absolutely white;
add a second source of light and it is immediately
looks black. All parties to this discussion should
take this into account.

[Steve Bralla]

>CNN & Fox brainwashing seems to work perfectly.
>
>--
>Bert Willing

Bert,
I got a big kick out of you linking Fox and CNN. In the USA, the right wing
calls CNN the Clinton News Network or the Communist News Network. And they
think Fox is "fair and balanced." Why do they think that? Fox tells them,
every chance they get.

Steve
Hoping the rainstops this weekend so I can fly!

[Denis Flament]

Christian Husvik wrote:

>>> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>>> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>>
>>
>> That's just what W. did last year, didn't he ?
>
>
> I don't know. He did start one or two, but he didn't actively take part
> himself, did he?

Right (if you except his 2 hours visit to Baghdad !).

What I meant is he "experienced" war just like a scientist trying an
"experience" on mice - if it fails, no problem, he'll try on other mice
(who's next : Iran ?)

[back on topic] the pity is that Afghanistan, Iraq, Arabia and most of
this region have very good soaring conditions... and that W's
experiences make enjoying soaring there even less likely than before :-(

[Mark James Boyd]

>> >> >> But seriously: I think you should vote for a president who actually
>> >> >> knows what war is and has experienced one.
>> > Wait until the suicide bombers blow up a bank in Zurich...
>Won't happen. That's where they keep their money.

<sigh>
apparently my thinly disguised attempt to get you guys over to
alt.politics.bush or alt.security.terrorism
has failed woefully ;(

[Eric]

Even before George W. Bush was elected, his likely strategy seemed to
be that he'd take the US into a war with Iraq to reap the political
benefits in 2004 (and for some other bad reasons that you probably
know about). Recent revelations show that preparations to invade Iraq
did, in fact, start only a few days after inaguration day.

Then 9-11 came along and created an opportunity for Bush to make his
(non-sequitor) arguments that an invasion of Iraq would:
1) make the US more secure from the threat of terrorism AND
2) be a positive step against world wide nuclear proliferation.

IMHO, the sad truths are;
1) Bush's actions in Iraq have created the perfect conditions for a
new generation of America hating people in the Islamic world. How
much better it would have been for the US to be on a course of energy
independence from the middle east and, therefore, much more able to
constructively engage that region to lift itself out of the middle
ages. There's little doubt that we're now, and for a long time to
come, *less* secure than before;
AND
2) the best way to control the proliferation of nuclear weapons is
through the vigilance of strong international bodies and individual
nations cooperating to pursue compliance with the Non-Proliferation
Treaty. Unfortunately, George Bush's behavior has damaged the
viability of these international bodies and the US's credibility to
lead these efforts within the international community... again we've
become *less* secure and I'm just hoping the a WMD doesn't come
floating into the US in a shipping container.

I just logged on to learn more about the best CG position for my
glider. But, I just couldn't resist pointing out that the emperor
wears no clothes!

[Bert Willing]

Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing how
little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
information)...

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Steve Bralla" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>
> >CNN & Fox brainwashing seems to work perfectly.
> >
> >--
> >Bert Willing
>
> Bert,
> I got a big kick out of you linking Fox and CNN. In the USA, the right
wing
> calls CNN the Clinton News Network or the Communist News Network. And
they
> think Fox is "fair and balanced." Why do they think that? Fox tells
them,
> every chance they get.
>
> Steve
> Hoping the rainstops this weekend so I can fly!

[Andreas Maurer]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:38:10 +0100, "Bert Willing"
> wrote:

>Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing how
>little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
>information)...

Hey - they passed all the information you could wish (and more) for
about Nipplegate...

Clear prove that all necessary information about the really important
things in life is passed.



Bye
Andreas

[Denis Flament]

Eric wrote:

> I just logged on to learn more about the best CG position for my
> glider. But, I just couldn't resist pointing out that the emperor
> wears no clothes!

The best CG of the world for W must be in the White House
(or is it in Texas ? ;-) )

--
Denis

R. Parce que ça rompt le cours normal de la conversation !!!
Q. Pourquoi ne faut-il pas répondre au-dessus de la question ?

[Shaber CJ]

>Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing how
>little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
>information)...

Very True. It is eye opening how much different the News is on BBC, CTV
(Canadian) and other nations than in America. I wonder what it would actually
take to get unbiassed news?

[Michael McNulty]

"Shaber CJ" > wrote in message
...
> >Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing
how
> >little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
> >information)...
>
> Very True. It is eye opening how much different the News is on BBC, CTV
> (Canadian) and other nations than in America. I wonder what it would
actually
> take to get unbiassed news?

Wasn't there just a major finding in Britain about how "unbiased" the BBC
news is?

[Vorsanger1]

BBC: Baghdad Broadcasting Corp.

Let's get back to soaring....please!

Cheers, Charles

[Steve Bralla]

Bert,
See what I mean about the right wing view of CNN.

Steve

>Craig, you are hopeless - you are advocating strategies that have
>been proven ineffective - you sound like a "****ed off" guy who
>has had some business deals blow up in his face - and who has
>lost money in the sick stock market - you are watching way too
>much CNN.

, "Bert Willing" > writes:

>Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing how
>little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
>information)...
>
>--
>Bert Willing
>
>ASW20 "TW"
>
>
>"Steve Bralla" > a écrit dans le message de
...
>>
>> >CNN & Fox brainwashing seems to work perfectly.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Bert Willing
>>
>> Bert,
>> I got a big kick out of you linking Fox and CNN. In the USA, the right
>wing
>> calls CNN the Clinton News Network or the Communist News Network. And
>they
>> think Fox is "fair and balanced." Why do they think that? Fox tells
>them,
>> every chance they get.
>>
>> Steve
>> Hoping the rainstops this weekend so I can fly!
>

[A P]

Well if you call a government sponsored whitewash a "major finding", yeah.

I'd trust the bbc over the governement any day.

Soaring anyone?

AP
"Michael McNulty" > wrote in message
news:f6u%b.4027$id3.419@fed1read01...
>
> "Shaber CJ" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing
> how
> > >little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
> > >information)...
> >
> > Very True. It is eye opening how much different the News is on BBC, CTV
> > (Canadian) and other nations than in America. I wonder what it would
> actually
> > take to get unbiassed news?
>
> Wasn't there just a major finding in Britain about how "unbiased" the BBC
> news is?
>
>

[Ernie]

we have our share of biased news up here in Canada as well. I can live
with that and you usually know. Every country has less and more biased
news. Where I would draw a line is on the faked news. Whether it is
WMD's or the Christmas turkey ;-)

cheers

Ernie (Canada)




Shaber CJ wrote:
>>Well, for a European watching any news station in the US, it is amazing how
>>little information is actually passed (don't even mention background
>>information)...
>
>
> Very True. It is eye opening how much different the News is on BBC, CTV
> (Canadian) and other nations than in America. I wonder what it would actually
> take to get unbiassed news?

[Tony Verhulst]

Ernie wrote:
> ....Where I would draw a line is on the faked news.

I liked the one where, after a single engine airplane crash, the
reporter authoritatively stated that the NTSB was searching for the
"black boxes". I too prefer reporters to report the news - and not to
make it up.

Tony V.

[Shaber CJ]

>I liked the one where, after a single engine airplane crash, the
>reporter authoritatively stated that the NTSB was searching for the
>"black boxes". I too prefer reporters to report the news - and not to
>make it up.
>
>Tony V.

AP Wire Service:

832 confirmed dead! Today a two seat Cessna 152 cashed into cemetery outside
of Warsaw. 832 bodies have been recovered so far with more expected as digging
continues into the night.

[Robert Ehrlich]

Marc Ramsey wrote:
> ...
> Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis hijacked those planes
> and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we were reluctantly
> forced to invade their countries, so they would never be tempted to mess
> with us again. We needed to make these people behave properly, like our
> good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with you America haters?
>

But IIRC they were neither Afghans not Iraqis, although they may have been
sponsored and trained by Al Quaida which is (or was) mainly in Afghanistan,
they were ... Saudi Arabians !

[Eric Greenwell]

Robert Ehrlich wrote:

> Marc Ramsey wrote:
>
>>...
>>Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis hijacked those planes
>>and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we were reluctantly
>>forced to invade their countries, so they would never be tempted to mess
>>with us again. We needed to make these people behave properly, like our
>>good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with you America haters?
>>
>
>
> But IIRC they were neither Afghans not Iraqis, although they may have been
> sponsored and trained by Al Quaida which is (or was) mainly in Afghanistan,
> they were ... Saudi Arabians !

Marc was being sarcastic.
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