Winpilot/SeeYouMob with IPAQ 4150

[Nick Gilbert]

Hi There,

Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ 4150/4155 for
use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice on whether
or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a Cambridge
GPS-Nav).

Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the only way
with this model?

Thanks,

Nick
Sydney, Australia

[Andrej Kolar]

Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It will only work
with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally carry in our
cockpits.

Andrej Kolar

"Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
...
> Hi There,
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ 4150/4155 for
> use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice on
whether
> or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a Cambridge
> GPS-Nav).
>
> Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the only way
> with this model?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
> Sydney, Australia
>
>

[Jim Kelly]

If you are happy with the smaller display, then consider the H2210,
otherwise you need the larger H5150 or H5550 (sometimes the 0
becomes a 5, same unit).

Pity, the H4150 is a lovely size and weight, but without "serial"
support you cannot link to serial devices like varios and loggers.
Bluetooth works well in a glider but we'd be better off without it
as a simple "serial" cable can replace the two Bluetooth
transmitters, making life for the glider battery less miserable.
Since we need a power cable anyway, Bluetooth offers nil advantage
for gliding.

Cheers,

Jim Kelly.


"Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
...
| Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It will
only work
| with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally carry
in our
| cockpits.
|
| Andrej Kolar
|
| "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Hi There,
| >
| > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ
4150/4155 for
| > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice
on
| whether
| > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a
Cambridge
| > GPS-Nav).
| >
| > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the
only way
| > with this model?
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Nick
| > Sydney, Australia
| >
| >
|
|

[tango4]

"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> Bluetooth offers nil advantage for gliding.
>

Except that you can use the newer and lower cost PDA's. Oh, and you only
need one BT converter and once thats in your ship you can transfer the
logger files to a BT laptop without any cables or wiring in the panel and
without breaking the OO's seals.

Ian

[Nick Gilbert]

Andrej,

Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does this information come
from?

Regards,

Nick.

"Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
...
> Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It will only work
> with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally carry in our
> cockpits.
>
> Andrej Kolar
>
> "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi There,
> >
> > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ 4150/4155
for
> > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice on
> whether
> > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a Cambridge
> > GPS-Nav).
> >
> > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the only
way
> > with this model?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> > Sydney, Australia
> >
> >
>
>

[Andrej Kolar]

Nick, I have to add to the confusion and cancel what I said.

A friend of mine tested it this evening. He says:
Have tested that. It works! The data is read from Garmin eTrex to 4150.

So - It does work. Good news! Lots of pages with links to PDA hardware need
updating.
Andrej Kolar

"Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
...
> Andrej,
>
> Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does this information
come
> from?
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick.
>
> "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It will only
work
> > with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally carry in
our
> > cockpits.
> >
> > Andrej Kolar
> >
> > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi There,
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ 4150/4155
> for
> > > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice on
> > whether
> > > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a Cambridge
> > > GPS-Nav).
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the only
> way
> > > with this model?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > > Sydney, Australia
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nick Gilbert]

Now you see why I need clarification on this point!! I have seen both sides
of the argument!

Nick.

"Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
...
> Nick, I have to add to the confusion and cancel what I said.
>
> A friend of mine tested it this evening. He says:
> Have tested that. It works! The data is read from Garmin eTrex to 4150.
>
> So - It does work. Good news! Lots of pages with links to PDA hardware
need
> updating.
> Andrej Kolar
>
> "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Andrej,
> >
> > Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does this information
> come
> > from?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick.
> >
> > "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It will only
> work
> > > with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally carry in
> our
> > > cockpits.
> > >
> > > Andrej Kolar
> > >
> > > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi There,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an IPAQ
4150/4155
> > for
> > > > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting advice on
> > > whether
> > > > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have a
Cambridge
> > > > GPS-Nav).
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth is the
only
> > way
> > > > with this model?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > > Sydney, Australia
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jim Kelly]

Please elaborate on how to use:
* WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Volkslogger
* WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Cambridge 302

Cheers,

Jim Kelly


"tango4" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Kelly" > wrote in
message
| u...
| > Bluetooth offers nil advantage for gliding.
| >
|
| Except that you can use the newer and lower cost PDA's. Oh, and
you only
| need one BT converter and once thats in your ship you can transfer
the
| logger files to a BT laptop without any cables or wiring in the
panel and
| without breaking the OO's seals.
|
| Ian
|
|

[Jim Kelly]

Here is an HP FAQ on the H4150 (may need pasting together):

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wpa/vat/genPage.do?vacpage=pocketpc/faq_h4100_h4300.vad&wf=WF05a&segment=sm&country=us&lang=en&fpoid=215348-64929-215381-314903-f43-349042#usb


quote from it:
"
USB desktop cradle/charger:
Is the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models serial supported?
No. There is no serial support on the h4100/h4300 series.

Does the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models support
USB?
Yes, the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100 and h4300 is USB
only.

Does this cradle work with iPAQ Pocket PCs other than h4100/h4300
models?
No, this cradle is designed specifically to fit the h4100/h4300
models slim design.
"





"Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
...
| Now you see why I need clarification on this point!! I have seen
both sides
| of the argument!
|
| Nick.
|
| "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Nick, I have to add to the confusion and cancel what I said.
| >
| > A friend of mine tested it this evening. He says:
| > Have tested that. It works! The data is read from Garmin eTrex
to 4150.
| >
| > So - It does work. Good news! Lots of pages with links to PDA
hardware
| need
| > updating.
| > Andrej Kolar
| >
| > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > > Andrej,
| > >
| > > Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does this
information
| > come
| > > from?
| > >
| > > Regards,
| > >
| > > Nick.
| > >
| > > "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
| > > ...
| > > > Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It
will only
| > work
| > > > with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally
carry in
| > our
| > > > cockpits.
| > > >
| > > > Andrej Kolar
| > > >
| > > > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| > > > ...
| > > > > Hi There,
| > > > >
| > > > > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an
IPAQ
| 4150/4155
| > > for
| > > > > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting
advice on
| > > > whether
| > > > > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have
a
| Cambridge
| > > > > GPS-Nav).
| > > > >
| > > > > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth
is the
| only
| > > way
| > > > > with this model?
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks,
| > > > >
| > > > > Nick
| > > > > Sydney, Australia
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

[Nick Gilbert]

This is one of the things that I have read. I have found plenty of examples
on the web of people using their IPAQ 4150's to connect to Garmins/Magellans
etc.. I dont see how this would have been possible without serial
connectivity. The other thing I find odd is that the same HP website that is
being quoted from in the prior post sells cables that are universal for all
models! Perhaps what they are saying is that you can no longer buy a
straight serial cable for this model.

The bad news is that I already have the IPAQ, and have just bought a
winpilot licence. I will shortly be able to give DEFINITIVE proof on whether
it works or not. If not, lookout for a cheap 4150 on Ebay!

Nick.


"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> Here is an HP FAQ on the H4150 (may need pasting together):
>
>
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wpa/vat/genPage.do?vacpage=pocketpc/faq_h4100_h4300.vad&wf=WF05a&segment=sm&country=us&lang=en&fpoid=215348-64929-215381-314903-f43-349042#usb
>
>
> quote from it:
> "
> USB desktop cradle/charger:
> Is the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models serial supported?
> No. There is no serial support on the h4100/h4300 series.
>
> Does the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models support
> USB?
> Yes, the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100 and h4300 is USB
> only.
>
> Does this cradle work with iPAQ Pocket PCs other than h4100/h4300
> models?
> No, this cradle is designed specifically to fit the h4100/h4300
> models slim design.
> "
>
>
>
>
>
> "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Now you see why I need clarification on this point!! I have seen
> both sides
> | of the argument!
> |
> | Nick.
> |
> | "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > Nick, I have to add to the confusion and cancel what I said.
> | >
> | > A friend of mine tested it this evening. He says:
> | > Have tested that. It works! The data is read from Garmin eTrex
> to 4150.
> | >
> | > So - It does work. Good news! Lots of pages with links to PDA
> hardware
> | need
> | > updating.
> | > Andrej Kolar
> | >
> | > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > > Andrej,
> | > >
> | > > Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does this
> information
> | > come
> | > > from?
> | > >
> | > > Regards,
> | > >
> | > > Nick.
> | > >
> | > > "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
> | > > ...
> | > > > Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in. It
> will only
> | > work
> | > > > with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we normally
> carry in
> | > our
> | > > > cockpits.
> | > > >
> | > > > Andrej Kolar
> | > > >
> | > > > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
> | > > > ...
> | > > > > Hi There,
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of an
> IPAQ
> | 4150/4155
> | > > for
> | > > > > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some conflicting
> advice on
> | > > > whether
> | > > > > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I have
> a
> | Cambridge
> | > > > > GPS-Nav).
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if bluetooth
> is the
> | only
> | > > way
> | > > > > with this model?
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Thanks,
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Nick
> | > > > > Sydney, Australia
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>

[tango4]

Hi Jim

You can use a serial to bluetooth converter designed for embedded
applications. simply connecting it to the logger and establishing a BT
connection to the iPaq will solve the problem. Similarly with a 302 the
adaptor goes where the iPaq would have been. You just need to find the right
BT adaptor, pre-program it so that it boots automagically and establishes a
connection to the iPaq.

I hope to put up some pics and process shortly on a website.

Ian


"Jim Kelly" > wrote in message
u...
> Please elaborate on how to use:
> * WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Volkslogger
> * WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Cambridge 302
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim Kelly
>
>
> "tango4" > wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | "Jim Kelly" > wrote in
> message
> | u...
> | > Bluetooth offers nil advantage for gliding.
> | >
> |
> | Except that you can use the newer and lower cost PDA's. Oh, and
> you only
> | need one BT converter and once thats in your ship you can transfer
> the
> | logger files to a BT laptop without any cables or wiring in the
> panel and
> | without breaking the OO's seals.
> |
> | Ian
> |
> |
>

[Jim Kelly]

Thanks Ian,

I had just decided that I would simplify anything I could to get
reliability up whilst gliding. Also had a weak battery whilst
attempting Gold Badge :-) to remind me how important it is to avoid
being extravagant with power!!

Hopefully the next low cost iPaq will offer serial too in the new
size and weight, or better still back to the 3.8" display!

Cheers,

Jim Kelly



"tango4" > wrote in message
...
| Hi Jim
|
| You can use a serial to bluetooth converter designed for embedded
| applications. simply connecting it to the logger and establishing
a BT
| connection to the iPaq will solve the problem. Similarly with a
302 the
| adaptor goes where the iPaq would have been. You just need to find
the right
| BT adaptor, pre-program it so that it boots automagically and
establishes a
| connection to the iPaq.
|
| I hope to put up some pics and process shortly on a website.
|
| Ian
|
|
| "Jim Kelly" > wrote in
message
| u...
| > Please elaborate on how to use:
| > * WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Volkslogger
| > * WinPilot on a non-serial iPaq with a Cambridge 302
| >
| > Cheers,
| >
| > Jim Kelly
| >
| >
| > "tango4" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > |
| > | "Jim Kelly" > wrote
in
| > message
| > | u...
| > | > Bluetooth offers nil advantage for gliding.
| > | >
| > |
| > | Except that you can use the newer and lower cost PDA's. Oh,
and
| > you only
| > | need one BT converter and once thats in your ship you can
transfer
| > the
| > | logger files to a BT laptop without any cables or wiring in
the
| > panel and
| > | without breaking the OO's seals.
| > |
| > | Ian
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|

[Jim Kelly]

Nick,

The secret will be in the wiring. Brian Sommerville is an expert at
www.gpsoz.com.au and will know if it is possible. The lack of serial
support might be for synchronising Outlook, etc, with a PC. I can
imagine HP wanting to stop support for that. Our needs are very
meagre, just needing one wire for each direction of data flow. Let's
hope it can be done because the H4150 looks a damn fine model. I'm
all for turning off wifi, bt, infrared, etc when gliding.

No need to sell the H4150 as Ian has some gadgets that might help
elsewhere on this thread.

Let us know how you go.

Cheers,

Jim Kelly


"Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
...
| This is one of the things that I have read. I have found plenty of
examples
| on the web of people using their IPAQ 4150's to connect to
Garmins/Magellans
| etc.. I dont see how this would have been possible without serial
| connectivity. The other thing I find odd is that the same HP
website that is
| being quoted from in the prior post sells cables that are
universal for all
| models! Perhaps what they are saying is that you can no longer buy
a
| straight serial cable for this model.
|
| The bad news is that I already have the IPAQ, and have just bought
a
| winpilot licence. I will shortly be able to give DEFINITIVE proof
on whether
| it works or not. If not, lookout for a cheap 4150 on Ebay!
|
| Nick.
|
|
| "Jim Kelly" > wrote in
message
| u...
| > Here is an HP FAQ on the H4150 (may need pasting together):
| >
| >
|
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wpa/vat/genPage.do?vacpage=pocketpc/faq_h4100_h4300.vad&wf=WF05a&segment=sm&country=us&lang=en&fpoid=215348-64929-215381-314903-f43-349042#usb
| >
| >
| > quote from it:
| > "
| > USB desktop cradle/charger:
| > Is the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models serial supported?
| > No. There is no serial support on the h4100/h4300 series.
| >
| > Does the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100/h4300 models
support
| > USB?
| > Yes, the cradle for the iPAQ Pocket PC h4100 and h4300 is USB
| > only.
| >
| > Does this cradle work with iPAQ Pocket PCs other than
h4100/h4300
| > models?
| > No, this cradle is designed specifically to fit the
h4100/h4300
| > models slim design.
| > "
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > | Now you see why I need clarification on this point!! I have
seen
| > both sides
| > | of the argument!
| > |
| > | Nick.
| > |
| > | "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | > Nick, I have to add to the confusion and cancel what I said.
| > | >
| > | > A friend of mine tested it this evening. He says:
| > | > Have tested that. It works! The data is read from Garmin
eTrex
| > to 4150.
| > | >
| > | > So - It does work. Good news! Lots of pages with links to
PDA
| > hardware
| > | need
| > | > updating.
| > | > Andrej Kolar
| > | >
| > | > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > > Andrej,
| > | > >
| > | > > Thankyou for your reply. Have you tried it? Where does
this
| > information
| > | > come
| > | > > from?
| > | > >
| > | > > Regards,
| > | > >
| > | > > Nick.
| > | > >
| > | > > "Andrej Kolar" > wrote in message
| > | > > ...
| > | > > > Nick, iPaq 4150/4155 does not have a COM port built in.
It
| > will only
| > | > work
| > | > > > with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, but not with what we
normally
| > carry in
| > | > our
| > | > > > cockpits.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Andrej Kolar
| > | > > >
| > | > > > "Nick Gilbert" > wrote in message
| > | > > > ...
| > | > > > > Hi There,
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > Does anyone have any knowledge on the suitability of
an
| > IPAQ
| > | 4150/4155
| > | > > for
| > | > > > > use with Winpilot/SeeYouMob? I have read some
conflicting
| > advice on
| > | > > > whether
| > | > > > > or not the 4150 is able to communicate serial data (I
have
| > a
| > | Cambridge
| > | > > > > GPS-Nav).
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > Does anyone know if this will be possible or if
bluetooth
| > is the
| > | only
| > | > > way
| > | > > > > with this model?
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > Thanks,
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > > Nick
| > | > > > > Sydney, Australia
| > | > > > >
| > | > > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|