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June 30th 17, 03:43 PM
Congratulations Keith; well done! Irregardless of the rules and scores, (IMHO) you were the winner of the Club Class Nationals.

JS
June 30th 17, 04:23 PM
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 7:43:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> Congratulations Keith; well done! Irregardless of the rules and scores, (IMHO) you were the winner of the Club Class Nationals.

Yes, Keith was the highest scoring pilot flying a club class glider.
Great stuff, Keith!
Unimpossible!
Jim

June 30th 17, 10:37 PM
He smells good too <3

John Cochrane[_3_]
July 1st 17, 12:16 AM
Of the 20 gliders that finished the US club class nationals, (22 that started), only 10 are on the IGC club class list. (One, the HP-18, is in the performance range, but not on the list).
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

I would say that the US RC decision to include modern standard class gliders and 15 meter gliders ASW20B,C and Ventus 1 has produced a sustainable class, given those gliders an important place to fly other than sports class, helped us to create enough venues to provide challenging racing across a large country, and sticking to the IGC club class list would not have done so..

Congrats to Keith, and all the pilots who made this a success, given what looks like a good challenging contest.

John Cochrane.

Sean Fidler
July 1st 17, 01:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGtvva9Dg

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-4, John Cochrane wrote:
> Of the 20 gliders that finished the US club class nationals, (22 that started), only 10 are on the IGC club class list. (One, the HP-18, is in the performance range, but not on the list).
> http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps
>
> I would say that the US RC decision to include modern standard class gliders and 15 meter gliders ASW20B,C and Ventus 1 has produced a sustainable class, given those gliders an important place to fly other than sports class, helped us to create enough venues to provide challenging racing across a large country, and sticking to the IGC club class list would not have done so.
>
> Congrats to Keith, and all the pilots who made this a success, given what looks like a good challenging contest.
>
> John Cochrane.

Tom Kelley #711
July 1st 17, 06:21 PM
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 6:27:15 PM UTC-6, Sean Fidler wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGtvva9Dg
>
> On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 7:16:37 PM UTC-4, John Cochrane wrote:
> > Of the 20 gliders that finished the US club class nationals, (22 that started), only 10 are on the IGC club class list. (One, the HP-18, is in the performance range, but not on the list).
> > http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps
> >
> > I would say that the US RC decision to include modern standard class gliders and 15 meter gliders ASW20B,C and Ventus 1 has produced a sustainable class, given those gliders an important place to fly other than sports class, helped us to create enough venues to provide challenging racing across a large country, and sticking to the IGC club class list would not have done so.
> >
> > Congrats to Keith, and all the pilots who made this a success, given what looks like a good challenging contest.
> >
> > John Cochrane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpMu3xgio9o

Incoming alert for BOD and US RC on Team flying.

Best. #711.

July 3rd 17, 05:06 PM
Thx John,
I read your work before the few contest I've flown and fly the best I can. The other pilots simply flew better than I did. The statistics of their flights show that. The winner flew 4.5% better than I had. I'm sure I would have podiumed had I simply understood better the way my ClearNav thinks, nothing to do with the fact I was flying a club class glider. It was pilot error.
(not at John, who, I'm a big fan of his work)
I have no problem competing against the D2s etc... My day win I flew better. I had a great thermal average, flew great lines and flew the TAT to limit as much of my headwind as possible. It was my day in the spot light.
Garret won this contest in my sailplane in 2015, HA came in a close second simply because they're experienced, damn good racing pilots in the same way 5F, and RO are also highly experienced, damn good racing pilots.
I don't buy for one second into the accusations of D2s having an advantage, Team Flying etc because i was there, had drinks, drove a cooler, had potato cannon fights with the AF cadets etc. Quite frankly it does nothing productive for the sport and should stop. A nationals with 10 gliders would have been boring and I was glad to see the turnout in club class.
I had a great time at the contest with everyone and hope that with club class and the great turnout for the junior event on the east coast this week we may have a sign that persons not on REC complaining, but rather those out in the field are doing good things for the sport.
I fly my glider because it doesn't have wifi, I can be an introvert and so this concludes my once in a decade post and most likely wont be visiting this site for another 10 years.

Fly safe, and strive for perfection knowing you'll never get there.

T21

Michael Opitz
July 3rd 17, 07:03 PM
At 16:06 03 July 2017, wrote:
>Thx John,
> I read your work before the few contest I've flown and fly the
best
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> can. The other pilots simply flew better than I did. The statistics
of
>th=
>eir flights show that. The winner flew 4.5% better than I had. I'm
sure I
>w=
>ould have podiumed had I simply understood better the way my
ClearNav
>think=
>s, nothing to do with the fact I was flying a club class glider. It was
>pil=
>ot error.=20
> (not at John, who, I'm a big fan of his work)
> I have no problem competing against the D2s etc... My day win I
flew
>bett=
>er. I had a great thermal average, flew great lines and flew the TAT
to
>lim=
>it as much of my headwind as possible. It was my day in the spot
light.=20
> Garret won this contest in my sailplane in 2015, HA came in a
close
>s=
>econd simply because they're experienced, damn good racing
pilots in the
>sa=
>me way 5F, and RO are also highly experienced, damn good racing
pilots. =
>=20
> I don't buy for one second into the accusations of D2s having
an
>adva=
>ntage, Team Flying etc because i was there, had drinks, drove a
cooler,
>had=
> potato cannon fights with the AF cadets etc. Quite frankly it does
>nothing=
> productive for the sport and should stop. A nationals with 10
gliders
>woul=
>d have been boring and I was glad to see the turnout in club class.
> I had a great time at the contest with everyone and hope that
with
>cl=
>ub class and the great turnout for the junior event on the east
coast this
>=
>week we may have a sign that persons not on REC complaining,
but rather
>tho=
>se out in the field are doing good things for the sport.=20
> I fly my glider because it doesn't have wifi, I can be an
introvert
>a=
>nd so this concludes my once in a decade post and most likely
wont be
>visit=
>ing this site for another 10 years.=20
>
>Fly safe, and strive for perfection knowing you'll never get
there.=20
>
>T21
>

Keith,
It was nice meeting and flying with you. I'm an old Standard Class
kind of guy, and it was refreshing to meet a bunch of newer and
younger pilots who were out to race and have fun too. I also
enjoyed meeting some older people whom I had only read about in
the past. Hobbs can provide a demanding and challenging
environment, and this year was no exception. Now, after the 2000
mile drive home, I need a rest....but it was worth it........
RO

July 4th 17, 03:43 AM
Nice post, Keith.

Class act.

ND
July 5th 17, 09:24 PM
dude this contest was killer. we had ok weather. we had an awesome group of pilot, with the average age being considerably younger than usual. shirtless rigging in the morning to beastie boys, shenanigans in the evening, potato cannons on the weather day. several speed tasks. if every contest could be as fun as this one, you'd soon see a waiting list like perry.

I don't care if my ASW 20 is a "C" model, ( most of the other competitors didn't either) i'm going again next year for sure. what a blast!

(and keith does smell good btw)

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 10:43:04 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Congratulations Keith; well done! Irregardless of the rules and scores, (IMHO) you were the winner of the Club Class Nationals

WB
July 7th 17, 04:35 PM
On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 11:06:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Thx John,
> I read your work before the few contest I've flown and fly the best I can. The other pilots simply flew better than I did. The statistics of their flights show that. The winner flew 4.5% better than I had. I'm sure I would have podiumed had I simply understood better the way my ClearNav thinks, nothing to do with the fact I was flying a club class glider. It was pilot error.
> (not at John, who, I'm a big fan of his work)
> I have no problem competing against the D2s etc... My day win I flew better. I had a great thermal average, flew great lines and flew the TAT to limit as much of my headwind as possible. It was my day in the spot light.
> Garret won this contest in my sailplane in 2015, HA came in a close second simply because they're experienced, damn good racing pilots in the same way 5F, and RO are also highly experienced, damn good racing pilots.
> I don't buy for one second into the accusations of D2s having an advantage, Team Flying etc because i was there, had drinks, drove a cooler, had potato cannon fights with the AF cadets etc. Quite frankly it does nothing productive for the sport and should stop. A nationals with 10 gliders would have been boring and I was glad to see the turnout in club class.
> I had a great time at the contest with everyone and hope that with club class and the great turnout for the junior event on the east coast this week we may have a sign that persons not on REC complaining, but rather those out in the field are doing good things for the sport.
> I fly my glider because it doesn't have wifi, I can be an introvert and so this concludes my once in a decade post and most likely wont be visiting this site for another 10 years.
>
> Fly safe, and strive for perfection knowing you'll never get there.
>
> T21

Good show, Keith! Who knew that a '19 could go so fast?

All the young people who showed up really made Hobbs a great contest! It's amazing what a little youthful enthusiasm and energy does for the feel of a contest. ND is absolutely right: "if every contest could be as fun as this one, you'd soon see a waiting list like perry."

WB

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