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Miloch
October 20th 17, 03:17 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet

The Bell P-59 Airacomet was a twin jet-engined fighter aircraft, the first of
the United States, designed and built by Bell Aircraft during World War II. The
United States Army Air Forces were not impressed by its performance and
cancelled the contract when fewer than half of the aircraft ordered had been
produced. Although no P-59s entered combat, the fighter paved the way for
another design generation of U.S. turbojet-powered aircraft, and was the first
turbojet fighter to have its turbojet engine and air inlet nacelles integrated
within the main fuselage.

Major General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold became aware of the United Kingdom's jet
program when he attended a demonstration of the Gloster E.28/39 in April 1941.
The subject had been mentioned, but not in depth, as part of the Tizard Mission
the previous year. He requested, and was given, the plans for the aircraft's
powerplant, the Power Jets W.1, which he took back to the U.S. He also arranged
for an example of the engine, the Whittle W.1X turbojet, to be flown to the U.S
in October 1941 in the bomb bay of a USAAC Consolidated B-24 Liberator, along
with drawings for the more powerful W.2B/23 engine and a small team of Power
Jets engineers. On 4 September, he offered the U.S. company General Electric a
contract to produce an American version of the engine, which subsequently became
the General Electric I-A. On the following day, he approached Lawrence Dale
Bell, head of Bell Aircraft Corporation, to build a fighter to utilize it. Bell
agreed and set to work on producing three prototypes. As a disinformation
tactic, the USAAF gave the project the designation "P-59A", to suggest it was a
development of the unrelated Bell XP-59 fighter project which had been canceled.
The design was finalized on 9 January 1942, and construction began. In March,
long before the prototypes were completed, an order for 13 "YP-59A"
preproduction machines was added to the contract.

On 12 September 1942, the first XP-59A was sent to Muroc Army Air Field (today,
Edwards Air Force Base) in California by train for testing, taking seven days to
reach Muroc. While being handled on the ground, the aircraft was fitted with a
dummy propeller to disguise its true nature. The aircraft first became airborne
during high-speed taxiing tests on 1 October with Bell test pilot Robert Stanley
at the controls, although the first official flight was made by Col Laurence
Craigie the next day. A handful of the first Airacomets had open-air flight
observer stations (similar to those of biplanes) later cut into the nose; over
the following months, tests on the three XP-59As revealed a multitude of
problems including poor engine response and reliability (common shortcomings of
all early turbojets), insufficient lateral stability, i.e., in the roll axis,
and performance that was far below expectations. Chuck Yeager flew the aircraft
and was dissatisfied with its speed, but was amazed at its smooth flying
characteristics. Nevertheless, even before delivery of the YP-59As in June 1943,
the USAAF ordered 80 production machines, designated "P-59A Airacomet".


Role
Fighter

National origin
United States

Manufacturer
Bell Aircraft

First flight
1 October 1942

Primary users
United States Army Air Forces
United States Navy
Royal Air Force

Number built
66

The 13 service test YP-59As had a more powerful engine than their predecessor,
the General Electric J31, but the improvement in performance was negligible,
with top speed increased by only 5 mph and a reduction in the time they could be
used before an overhaul was needed. One of these aircraft, the third YP-59A
(S/n: 42-22611) was supplied to the Royal Air Force (receiving British serial
RG362/G), in exchange for the first production Gloster Meteor I, EE210/G.
British pilots found that the aircraft compared very unfavorably with the jets
that they were already flying. (The YP-59A also compared unfavorably with the
propeller-driven North American P-51 Mustang.) Two YP-59A Airacomets (42-108778
and 42-100779) were also delivered to the U.S. Navy where they were evaluated as
the "YF2L-1" but were quickly found completely unsuitable for carrier
operations.

Faced with their own ongoing difficulties, Bell eventually completed 50
production Airacomets, 20 P-59As and 30 P-59Bs. Each was armed with one 37 mm M4
cannon and 44 rounds of ammunition and three .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns with
200 rounds per gun. The P-59Bs were assigned to the 412th Fighter Group to
familiarize AAF pilots with the handling and performance characteristics of jet
aircraft. By 1950, all examples of the Airacomet were no longer airworthy. Over
time, disposal of the aircraft included use as static displays, instructional
aids in military training, and as static targets. While the P-59 was not a great
success, the type did give the USAAF experience with the operation of jet
aircraft, in preparation for the more advanced types that would shortly become
available.

Specifications (P-59B)

General characteristics
Crew: one
Length: 38 ft 10 in (11.84 m)
Wingspan: 45 ft 6 in (13.87 m)
Height: 12 ft 4 in (3.76 m)
Wing area: 386 sq?ft (35.86 m²)
Empty weight: 8,165 lb (3,704 kg)
Loaded weight: 11,040 lb (5,008 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,700 lb (6,214 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J31-GE-5 turbojets, 2,000 lbf (8.9 kN) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 413 mph (359 knots, 665 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,140 m)
Cruise speed: 375 mph (326 knots, 604 km/h)
Range: 375 mi (326 nm, 604 km)
Service ceiling: 46,200 ft (14,080 m)
Climb to 30,000 ft (9,140 m): 15 min 30 s

Armament

Guns:
1x 37 mm cannon
3x .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns

Rockets: 8× 60 lb (30 kg) rockets
Bombs: 2,000 lb (910 kg) bombs





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john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM
Miloch > wrote in
:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
>
> The Bell P-59 Airacomet was a twin jet-engined fighter aircraft, the
> first of the United States, designed and built by Bell Aircraft during
> World War II. The United States Army Air Forces were not impressed by
> its performance and cancelled the contract when fewer than half of the
> aircraft ordered had been produced. Although no P-59s entered combat,
> the fighter paved the way for another design generation of U.S.
> turbojet-powered aircraft, and was the first turbojet fighter to have
> its turbojet engine and air inlet nacelles integrated within the main
> fuselage.
>
> Major General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold became aware of the United
> Kingdom's jet program when he attended a demonstration of the Gloster
> E.28/39 in April 1941. The subject had been mentioned, but not in
> depth, as part of the Tizard Mission the previous year. He requested,
> and was given, the plans for the aircraft's powerplant, the Power Jets
> W.1, which he took back to the U.S. He also arranged for an example of
> the engine, the Whittle W.1X turbojet, to be flown to the U.S in
> October 1941 in the bomb bay of a USAAC Consolidated B-24 Liberator,
> along with drawings for the more powerful W.2B/23 engine and a small
> team of Power Jets engineers. On 4 September, he offered the U.S.
> company General Electric a contract to produce an American version of
> the engine, which subsequently became the General Electric I-A. On the
> following day, he approached Lawrence Dale Bell, head of Bell Aircraft
> Corporation, to build a fighter to utilize it. Bell agreed and set to
> work on producing three prototypes. As a disinformation tactic, the
> USAAF gave the project the designation "P-59A", to suggest it was a
> development of the unrelated Bell XP-59 fighter project which had been
> canceled. The design was finalized on 9 January 1942, and construction
> began. In March, long before the prototypes were completed, an order
> for 13 "YP-59A" preproduction machines was added to the contract.
>
> On 12 September 1942, the first XP-59A was sent to Muroc Army Air
> Field (today, Edwards Air Force Base) in California by train for
> testing, taking seven days to reach Muroc. While being handled on the
> ground, the aircraft was fitted with a dummy propeller to disguise its
> true nature. The aircraft first became airborne during high-speed
> taxiing tests on 1 October with Bell test pilot Robert Stanley at the
> controls, although the first official flight was made by Col Laurence
> Craigie the next day. A handful of the first Airacomets had open-air
> flight observer stations (similar to those of biplanes) later cut into
> the nose; over the following months, tests on the three XP-59As
> revealed a multitude of problems including poor engine response and
> reliability (common shortcomings of all early turbojets), insufficient
> lateral stability, i.e., in the roll axis, and performance that was
> far below expectations. Chuck Yeager flew the aircraft and was
> dissatisfied with its speed, but was amazed at its smooth flying
> characteristics. Nevertheless, even before delivery of the YP-59As in
> June 1943, the USAAF ordered 80 production machines, designated "P-59A
> Airacomet".
>
>
> Role
> Fighter
>
> National origin
> United States
>
> Manufacturer
> Bell Aircraft
>
> First flight
> 1 October 1942
>
> Primary users
> United States Army Air Forces
> United States Navy
> Royal Air Force
>
> Number built
> 66
>
> The 13 service test YP-59As had a more powerful engine than their
> predecessor, the General Electric J31, but the improvement in
> performance was negligible, with top speed increased by only 5 mph and
> a reduction in the time they could be used before an overhaul was
> needed. One of these aircraft, the third YP-59A (S/n: 42-22611) was
> supplied to the Royal Air Force (receiving British serial RG362/G), in
> exchange for the first production Gloster Meteor I, EE210/G. British
> pilots found that the aircraft compared very unfavorably with the jets
> that they were already flying. (The YP-59A also compared unfavorably
> with the propeller-driven North American P-51 Mustang.) Two YP-59A
> Airacomets (42-108778 and 42-100779) were also delivered to the U.S.
> Navy where they were evaluated as the "YF2L-1" but were quickly found
> completely unsuitable for carrier operations.
>
> Faced with their own ongoing difficulties, Bell eventually completed
> 50 production Airacomets, 20 P-59As and 30 P-59Bs. Each was armed with
> one 37 mm M4 cannon and 44 rounds of ammunition and three .50 cal
> (12.7 mm) machine guns with 200 rounds per gun. The P-59Bs were
> assigned to the 412th Fighter Group to familiarize AAF pilots with the
> handling and performance characteristics of jet aircraft. By 1950, all
> examples of the Airacomet were no longer airworthy. Over time,
> disposal of the aircraft included use as static displays,
> instructional aids in military training, and as static targets. While
> the P-59 was not a great success, the type did give the USAAF
> experience with the operation of jet aircraft, in preparation for the
> more advanced types that would shortly become available.
>
> Specifications (P-59B)
>
> General characteristics
> Crew: one
> Length: 38 ft 10 in (11.84 m)
> Wingspan: 45 ft 6 in (13.87 m)
> Height: 12 ft 4 in (3.76 m)
> Wing area: 386 sq?ft (35.86 m²)
> Empty weight: 8,165 lb (3,704 kg)
> Loaded weight: 11,040 lb (5,008 kg)
> Max. takeoff weight: 13,700 lb (6,214 kg)
> Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J31-GE-5 turbojets, 2,000 lbf (8.9
> kN) each
>
> Performance
> Maximum speed: 413 mph (359 knots, 665 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,140 m)
> Cruise speed: 375 mph (326 knots, 604 km/h)
> Range: 375 mi (326 nm, 604 km)
> Service ceiling: 46,200 ft (14,080 m)
> Climb to 30,000 ft (9,140 m): 15 min 30 s
>
> Armament
>
> Guns:
> 1x 37 mm cannon
> 3x .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns
>
> Rockets: 8× 60 lb (30 kg) rockets
> Bombs: 2,000 lb (910 kg) bombs
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>

some ended up as targets, photos of one at Aberdeen proving grounds
and one 42-108783 served as a drone controller with a second seat in the
nose (open cockpit) and later served as a ground target at Edwards.

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

john szalay
October 20th 17, 06:08 PM

Byker
October 20th 17, 06:23 PM
"john Szalay" <john.szalayatatt.net> wrote in message
31...
>

Sacrilege...

Miloch
October 20th 17, 06:46 PM
In article >, john Szalay
says...
>
>
>

Looks like a 57mm recoiless rifle in the jeep...that'll definitely slow it down.





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Savageduck[_3_]
October 20th 17, 07:01 PM
On Oct 20, 2017, Miloch wrote
(in article >):

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
>
> The Bell P-59 Airacomet was a twin jet-engined fighter aircraft, the first of
> the United States, designed and built by Bell Aircraft during World War II.

<<Snip>>
>
> Chuck Yeager flew the aircraft and was dissatisfied with its speed, but was amazed at its smooth flying characteristics. Nevertheless, even before delivery
of the YP-59As in June 1943, the USAAF ordered 80 production machines,
designated "P-59A Airacomet".

When did Chuck Yeager fly the YP-59A, P-59A, or P-59B?

He graduated from class 43C in March 1943, and was shipped overseas in
November 1943. He completed his European tour in February 1945. I seriously
doubt that he was at Muroc during the war time test period. He might have had
the opportunity to fly one after the war, but he only became a test pilot
after the transition from USAAF to USAF, and graduation from the Air Materiel
Command Flight Performance School (class 46C) in 1947. Then he was part of
the X-1 team.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

john szalay
October 20th 17, 09:33 PM
Miloch > wrote in
:

> In article >, john
> Szalay says...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Looks like a 57mm recoiless rifle in the jeep...that'll definitely
> slow it down.
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>

Going by the rest of the photos in the set 106mm recoilless rifle

they also shot at the plane with a 20mm autocannon and a old gatling gun
a M56 90MM Scorpionm, 81MM mortar M-14 rifle, M-60 machine gun
and while the plane was burning drove an honest John into place and
fired over it down range , also a 90MM skysweeper redstone missle,
a little John missile, M50 Ontos 280mm atomic cannon
SSM-A-23 Dart wire-guided anti-tank missile.

been to fire power displays like that several times, hell of a show each
time.. Ft. Benning, Ft. Sill, Ft. Knox , Ft. Riley


https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/search/asset?q=aberdeen%
20shoot&p=life-photo-collection

https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/search/asset?q=army%
20ordance%20show&p=life-photo-collection

john szalay
October 20th 17, 09:39 PM
Savageduck > wrote in
news.com:

> On Oct 20, 2017, Miloch wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
>>
>> The Bell P-59 Airacomet was a twin jet-engined fighter aircraft, the
>> first of the United States, designed and built by Bell Aircraft
>> during World War II.
>
> <<Snip>>
>>
>> Chuck Yeager flew the aircraft and was dissatisfied with its speed,
>> but was amazed at its smooth flying characteristics. Nevertheless,
>> even before delivery
> of the YP-59As in June 1943, the USAAF ordered 80 production machines,
> designated "P-59A Airacomet".
>
> When did Chuck Yeager fly the YP-59A, P-59A, or P-59B?
>
> He graduated from class 43C in March 1943, and was shipped overseas in
> November 1943. He completed his European tour in February 1945. I
> seriously doubt that he was at Muroc during the war time test period.
> He might have had the opportunity to fly one after the war, but he
> only became a test pilot after the transition from USAAF to USAF, and
> graduation from the Air Materiel Command Flight Performance School
> (class 46C) in 1947. Then he was part of the X-1 team.
>

By the end of 1945 Bob Hoover was a test pilot at Wright Field in
Dayton, Ohio. “Flying experimental aircraft is addictive,” he learned.
“Once it gets in the blood, there’s no way to describe the rush of
excitement that keeps a pilot going up day after day.”

Flying a P-38, he met another hotshot in a new Bell P-59 jet: Captain
Chuck Yeager. They “fought” to a draw. Hoover claimed, “Yeager was the
only person I had ever encountered that I couldn’t get in my gunsights.”

john szalay
October 20th 17, 10:23 PM
Savageduck > wrote in
news.com:

> On Oct 20, 2017, Miloch wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
>>
>> The Bell P-59 Airacomet was a twin jet-engined fighter aircraft, the
>> first of the United States, designed and built by Bell Aircraft
>> during World War II.
>
> <<Snip>>
>>
>> Chuck Yeager flew the aircraft and was dissatisfied with its speed,
>> but was amazed at its smooth flying characteristics. Nevertheless,
>> even before delivery
> of the YP-59As in June 1943, the USAAF ordered 80 production machines,
> designated "P-59A Airacomet".
>
> When did Chuck Yeager fly the YP-59A, P-59A, or P-59B?
>
> He graduated from class 43C in March 1943, and was shipped overseas in
> November 1943. He completed his European tour in February 1945. I
> seriously doubt that he was at Muroc during the war time test period.
> He might have had the opportunity to fly one after the war, but he
> only became a test pilot after the transition from USAAF to USAF, and
> graduation from the Air Materiel Command Flight Performance School
> (class 46C) in 1947. Then he was part of the X-1 team.
>

Yeager went to Wright field in July 1945 to test airplanes
flying everything that was there, US, Captured German & Japanese
aircraft.

Aug 45 went to Muroc with the test pilots as maint officer
the maint officer had to check out the planes before the test pilots
could run thier flight performance tests.

October 20th 17, 11:12 PM
Didn't even give it a fighting chance, for shame!

john szalay
October 21st 17, 03:09 PM
"Byker" > wrote in news:X6ednZU19r-MrHfEnZ2dnUU7-
:

> "john Szalay" <john.szalayatatt.net> wrote in message
> 31...
>>
>
> Sacrilege...
>
>

true, but if you use Google Earth and look at AF training ranges of many
countries around the world, they are littered with old aircraft set out as
targets.
Both currently flying B-29s FIFI and DOC were once consigned to the
ranges at China lake as targets.


other planes:
35°45'22.19"N 117°35'4.09"W

35°43'53.02"N 117°34'17.77"W

42°45'0.05"N 115°34'30.17"W

37° 4'37.49"N 128°52'18.21"E

34°52'29.55"N 117°35'35.65"W

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