National Champion

[Nolaminar]

In the old days, we had a single National Champion.

Now we have:
World Class
Standard Class
Motorgliders
Two place
15 meter
18 meter
Club/Sports
Two Place
Open
etc.

[Chris Rollings]

Is that bad?

At 16:24 02 May 2004, Nolaminar wrote:
>
> In the old days, we had a single National Champion.
>
> Now we have:
> World Class
> Standard Class
> Motorgliders
> Two place
> 15 meter
> 18 meter
> Club/Sports
> Two Place
> Open
> etc.
>
>
>
>

[Pete Reinhart]

In a word, Yes.
Cheers!
"Chris Rollings" > wrote in message
...
> Is that bad?
>
> At 16:24 02 May 2004, Nolaminar wrote:
> >
> > In the old days, we had a single National Champion.
> >
> > Now we have:
> > World Class
> > Standard Class
> > Motorgliders
> > Two place
> > 15 meter
> > 18 meter
> > Club/Sports
> > Two Place
> > Open
> > etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Nolaminar]

I forgot to mention the 1-26 Champion.
GA

[Marcel Duenner]

"Pete Reinhart" > wrote in message >...
> In a word, Yes.

Why?

[rjciii]

Hey "General" Bob,

I have it on the highest sources (due to the effects of what "they"
are smoking, perhaps?) that "etc." reserves the option to create
additional championships for gliders with expanded categorical
distinguishment such as:

Wheel type categories:

-Fixed Gear
-No Wheels--will allow taping gear doors shut as an option to increase
participation in this category (makes for an extended T/O roll but a
much shorter landing)
-Tail wheel
-No tail wheel
-Outrigger wheels
-4" wheels
-5" wheels
-Non-hyraulic brakes
-Crappy brakes. Oh, wait, that would include everybody--disregard.

Canopy type categories:

-One-piece
-Two-piece
-Two-piece that was originally a one piece but has been stop drilled
over 50% of the canopy surface
-Hanging-it-out-in-the-breeze open cockpit (your personal favorite?)

Gender type categories:

-Either (!)
-Neither (?)
-3-way, er, I mean -place
-3-place mixed gender (could be fun!)
-3-place questionable gender (could be kinky...)

I'm sure I missed a few that others will no doubt others expound upon.

RD

[Pete Reinhart]

Marcel,
First response: Why not?
Real reason is: There is no other way to find out who is the best pilot.
Cheers!
PS. If you can't see the logic of it, then I'm sorry for you
PPS. If you really cared enough to do it right, you'd fly a different glider
class in each of 8-10 days.


"Marcel Duenner" > wrote in message
om...
> "Pete Reinhart" > wrote in message
>...
> > In a word, Yes.
>
> Why?

[Eric Greenwell]

Pete Reinhart wrote:

> Marcel,
> First response: Why not?
> Real reason is: There is no other way to find out who is the best pilot.
> Cheers!
> PS. If you can't see the logic of it, then I'm sorry for you
> PPS. If you really cared enough to do it right, you'd fly a different glider
> class in each of 8-10 days.

Why do we want to find out the "best" pilot?

In fact, I'm sure there are many opinions of what comprises the "best"
pilot. In any case, it's never occurred to me to wonder if the 15 meter
champion was "better" than Standard Class champion, or the Club Class
champion.

--
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Tony Verhulst]

> Why do we want to find out the "best" pilot?
>
> In fact, I'm sure there are many opinions of what comprises the "best"
> pilot. In any case, it's never occurred to me to wonder if the 15 meter
> champion was "better" than Standard Class champion, or the Club Class
> champion.


Aw, man! I see another World Class thread coming :-)

Tony V.

[CV]

Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Why do we want to find out the "best" pilot?

It's in human nature to want to compete. In the genes, I guess.
CV

[Marcel Duenner]

CV > wrote in message >...
> Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > Why do we want to find out the "best" pilot?
>
> It's in human nature to want to compete. In the genes, I guess.
> CV


So let's compete! In several classes. That way everybody can compete
in a class according to the glider they have available. Throwing all
into one class and handicapping doesn't really do the job and
everybody knows that.

Most sports have different classes and nobody ever questions who is
the overall
"best" runner, car driver, skier, sailor,...

BTW I'd have no problem at all competing in a different glider every
day of a comp - as long as you provide the ten different gliders...

Regards
Marcel

[iPilot]

You can cut that to:

Standard
15m
18m
Open
Club

And looking at the Standard class today, maybe you can cut that as well and fly it in Club class.
Provided that the objective is to cut classes.


"Nolaminar" > wrote in message
...
>
> In the old days, we had a single National Champion.
>
> Now we have:
> World Class
> Standard Class
> Motorgliders
> Two place
> 15 meter
> 18 meter
> Club/Sports
> Two Place
> Open
> etc.
>
>
>

[John Seaborn]

Looking at the proliferation in classes from the international
prospective. The IGC/FAI has always added classes to accommodate
design advances, developing interest in types and to increase
opportunity and participation in the sport. Without getting overly
specific on the dates, new classes and thus national and world
championships have been added as follows:

1937 Open
1952* Two-place
1958 Standard
1978 15-Meter
1997 World
1999 Junior
2001 18-Meter
2001 Club/Sports
2001 Feminine

*Two Place removed in 1958

The case can be made that new classes are good for the sport. Now a
Junior pilot has the opportunity to become a World Champion as do Club
pilots, 18-Meter pilots and so on. As a member of the U.S. Team
Committee I can say that organizing and funding all these classes is a
real challenge. As for comparative performance, I suspect that if you
put the top five pilots in any of these classes together in similar
gliders you would find very few differences.

John

(Nolaminar) wrote in message >...
> In the old days, we had a single National Champion.
>
> Now we have:
> World Class
> Standard Class
> Motorgliders
> Two place
> 15 meter
> 18 meter
> Club/Sports
> Two Place
> Open
> etc.

[Alan Meyer]

"Nolaminar" > wrote in message
...
>
> In the old days, we had a single National Champion.
>
> Now we have:
> World Class
> Standard Class
> Motorgliders
> Two place
> 15 meter
> 18 meter
> Club/Sports
> Two Place
> Open
> etc.

I think it's kind of nice that we have so many champions.

For comparison, look at the chess world. At any given time
there may be a couple of dozen astoundingly good chess players,
any of whom, on a good day, could win a game (though not
all the games) against the champ. But they get no respect.

We, on the other hand, give respect to 10 or more
astoundingly good pilots.

Alan