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Slick
February 14th 05, 11:40 PM
I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the other
day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left on
runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one in
use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to die).
How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM, it
has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a marker
of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast to
ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?



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Stephen McNaught
February 14th 05, 11:50 PM
Slick,

You should be able to find your specifics in the POH for the airplane. If
it's the marker beacon that you're hearing, depending on the audio panel in
the airplane, there is probably a mute button for it, or you could
"deselect" the MKR button.

- Steve

"Slick" > wrote in message ...
> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
other
> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left on
> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one in
> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
die).
> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM, it
> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
marker
> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast
to
> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
>
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Mike W.
February 14th 05, 11:58 PM
Marker beacon, used for instrument approaches. Usually at the top of the
radio stack, may be incorporated into the audio panel. Look for blue, orange
and white lights. Should be a volume knob/power switch to turn it down/off
if it is a seperate unit. If it's a part of the audio panel, you will have
to find the appropriate switch (do it while on the ground, before you start
up) to turn the audio off. Either way, it's nothing to worry about.
BTW, are you talking about MFD?

"Slick" > wrote in message ...
> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
other
> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left on
> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one in
> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
die).
> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM, it
> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
marker
> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast
to
> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
>
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Robert M. Gary
February 15th 05, 12:28 AM
Does your field have an ILS approach for instrument landings? If so its
probably the marker beacons. They can sound like a really nasty alarm
going off when you fly over them. Either you have "marker" turned on on
your audio panel or you are flying a typically rental 172 and the
radios don't do exactely as they are told. We have a Cherokee I teach
in that requires you to dial 1 MHz more than the freq (KX-170B). So for
118.32 you have to dial 119.32. I'd never allow such things in my
Mooney but you have to break even in the renal market.

-Robert, CFI

Stephen McNaught
February 15th 05, 12:45 AM
If (s)he's refering to K1B9, Mansfield, Mass., then it does not have an
ILS. Don't know when the beeping was heard, but there are other airports in
the area that do have ILS approaches.

- Steve

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
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> Does your field have an ILS approach for instrument landings? If so its
> probably the marker beacons. They can sound like a really nasty alarm

Stephen McNaught
February 15th 05, 12:52 AM
I see that the Mansfield airport in Ohio (KMFD) does have an ILS 32
approach.

- Steve


"Stephen McNaught" > wrote in message
...
> If (s)he's refering to K1B9, Mansfield, Mass., then it does not have an
> ILS. Don't know when the beeping was heard, but there are other airports
in
> the area that do have ILS approaches.
>
> - Steve
>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Does your field have an ILS approach for instrument landings? If so its
> > probably the marker beacons. They can sound like a really nasty alarm
>
>

February 15th 05, 01:29 AM
Robert M. Gary wrote:
> but you have to break even in the renal market.
>
> -Robert, CFI

If I'm going sell my kidneys I'd better do a whole lot better than just
break even.

a.

Mike W.
February 15th 05, 01:55 AM
> wrote in message
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> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> > but you have to break even in the renal market.
> >
> > -Robert, CFI
>
> If I'm going sell my kidneys I'd better do a whole lot better than just
> break even.
>
> a.
>

HHAAaaa HHaaaaaa!

February 15th 05, 02:23 AM
Slick wrote:
> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
other
> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took
my
> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we
left on
> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen
one in
> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half
to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
die).
> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard
NAV/COM, it
> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds
of
> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
marker
> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away
fast to
> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>

I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.

Ben Haas N801BH
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Paul Tomblin
February 15th 05, 02:52 AM
In a previous article, " > said:
>I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
>good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
>and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.

My instructor never taught me how to duel. That's why both of us are
still alive.


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A Lieberman
February 15th 05, 03:14 AM
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0500, Slick wrote:

> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the other
> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left on
> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one in
> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to die).
> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM, it
> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a marker
> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast to
> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?

Hey Slick,

Person before you probably was doing an ILS approach into your airport and
had NAV1 set up for the ILS for runway 32. As you climbed out, you passed
over the marker beacons that are designed for ILS approaches for runway 32.

Just turn the NAV1 frequency to another frequency, and that would have
turned the marker beacon off.

Allen

A Lieberman
February 15th 05, 03:23 AM
On 14 Feb 2005 18:23:14 -0800, wrote:

> I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
> good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
> and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.

Ben

Why would you think this??? It's not in the usual VFR syllabus.

I considered my VFR instructor an outstanding instructor, and not once did
we even look at the ILS features of NAV1 or NAV2.

His focus for teaching me landing techniques was outside the cockpit, not
on instruments inside.

Now, this all changed in my instrument training *smile*.

Allen

BTIZ
February 15th 05, 03:38 AM
> radios don't do exactely as they are told. We have a Cherokee I teach
> in that requires you to dial 1 MHz more than the freq (KX-170B). So for
> 118.32 you have to dial 119.32. I'd never allow such things in my
> Mooney but you have to break even in the renal market.
>
> -Robert, CFI

Write it up.. and don't use the airplane?? maybe when the "owner" realizes
he's loosing revenue for a bad radio.. he'll get it fixed... I would never
take an airplane IFR like that.. I hope the bad one is "radio #2".. We had a
repeat problem like that with a radio here in the Arrow.. After I refused to
take the rental for IFR refresher.. because you could not tell what
frequency you were on.. the FBO swapped out the radio. Had the same problem
with "LEDs" failing.. cant tell Freq or read the DME.. can't fly one IFR
approach around here without DME.. so I refused the rental... He put in an
KNS80.

BT

George Patterson
February 15th 05, 03:41 AM
" wrote:
>
> I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
> good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
> and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.

None of the planes I flew in training even *had* a marker beacon receiver.

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

February 15th 05, 03:56 AM
Allen,

I'm just now learning about all this IFR stuff so I could be wrong
here. I'm under the impression that the markers are on "fixed"
frequencies not associatied with the NAVs.

I will look into this more...

a.




A Lieberman wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0500, Slick wrote:
>
> > I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered
the other
> > day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I
took my
> > parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we
left on
> > runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen
one in
> > use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother
half to
> > death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about
to die).
> > How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard
NAV/COM, it
> > has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all
kinds of
> > switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was
a marker
> > of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away
fast to
> > ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
> Hey Slick,
>
> Person before you probably was doing an ILS approach into your
airport and
> had NAV1 set up for the ILS for runway 32. As you climbed out, you
passed
> over the marker beacons that are designed for ILS approaches for
runway 32.
>
> Just turn the NAV1 frequency to another frequency, and that would
have
> turned the marker beacon off.
>
> Allen

Bob Gardner
February 15th 05, 04:13 AM
Alan, all marker beacons transmit on 75Mhz. No way you are going to turn one
off by changing ILS freq. I think the audio panel suggestions are closer to
the solution.

Bob Gardner

"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0500, Slick wrote:
>
>> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
>> other
>> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
>> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left
>> on
>> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one
>> in
>> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
>> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
>> die).
>> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM,
>> it
>> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
>> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
>> marker
>> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast
>> to
>> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
> Hey Slick,
>
> Person before you probably was doing an ILS approach into your airport and
> had NAV1 set up for the ILS for runway 32. As you climbed out, you passed
> over the marker beacons that are designed for ILS approaches for runway
> 32.
>
> Just turn the NAV1 frequency to another frequency, and that would have
> turned the marker beacon off.
>
> Allen

Mike W.
February 15th 05, 04:34 AM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Allen,
>
> I'm just now learning about all this IFR stuff so I could be wrong
> here. I'm under the impression that the markers are on "fixed"
> frequencies not associatied with the NAVs.
>
> I will look into this more...
>
> a.
>
Yup, they are low powered (3W) with a directional output (up). You fly over
it, and the marker beacon receives it.

Slick
February 15th 05, 11:05 AM
None of the 150's we fly have IFR equipment. I flew Almost me entire
training in a 150.
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Slick wrote:
> > I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
> other
> > day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took
> my
> > parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we
> left on
> > runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen
> one in
> > use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half
> to
> > death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
> die).
> > How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard
> NAV/COM, it
> > has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds
> of
> > switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
> marker
> > of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away
> fast to
> > ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
> >
>
> I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
> good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
> and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.
>
> Ben Haas N801BH
> >
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Slick
February 15th 05, 11:08 AM
O.K. so it sounds like I had the right idea about how to turn it off, I just
didn't go far enough with it. I was switching frequencies on the stack radio
NAV, but I didn't try to change the GPS NAV, I think I might have gotten rid
of it there. I couldn't find a mute button anywhere next to the lights.
"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:40:43 -0500, Slick wrote:
>
> > I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
other
> > day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
> > parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left
on
> > runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one
in
> > use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> > death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
die).
> > How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM,
it
> > has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
> > switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
marker
> > of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast
to
> > ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
> Hey Slick,
>
> Person before you probably was doing an ILS approach into your airport and
> had NAV1 set up for the ILS for runway 32. As you climbed out, you passed
> over the marker beacons that are designed for ILS approaches for runway
32.
>
> Just turn the NAV1 frequency to another frequency, and that would have
> turned the marker beacon off.
>
> Allen



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Lakeview Bill
February 15th 05, 12:59 PM
It might be worth your time to go to:

www.garmin.com

www.bendixking.com

Check out their Audio Panels. Both sites have downloadable POH's for their
units that would help you know what's going on the next time you confront
the problem.





"Slick" > wrote in message ...
> I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
other
> day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took my
> parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we left on
> runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen one in
> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
die).
> How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard NAV/COM, it
> has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds of
> switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
marker
> of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away fast
to
> ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>
>
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Dave S
February 15th 05, 02:26 PM
I would recommend getting with the instructor in the club who checked
you out in and endorsed you to fly the 172. That club instructor should
be familiar with the radios and audio panels and be able to 1) address
the issue and 2) provide some instruction on the subject for you.
Getting someone to troubleshoot "beeping" over usenet is probably not
nearly as effective.

Of course, this recommendation is based on the assumption that you are
in a flying club that requires checkouts by club instructors (which has
been the case for me)

Dave

Slick wrote:
> None of the 150's we fly have IFR equipment. I flew Almost me entire
> training in a 150.
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>Slick wrote:
>>
>>>I can't figure out what this beeping thing was that I encountered the
>>
>>other
>>
>>>day while flying a 172 from our club. I'm a fresh private and I took
>>
>>my
>>
>>>parents to Mansfield airport for Sunday morning breakfast. When we
>>
>>left on
>>
>>>runway 14 This beeping thing came on. I think it's a DME. I've seen
>>
>>one in
>>
>>>use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half
>>
>>to
>>
>>>death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to
>>
>>die).
>>
>>>How do I turn it off? This plane is equipped with the standard
>>
>>NAV/COM, it
>>
>>>has an ADF and Garmin GPS with moving map. I tried Flipping all kinds
>>
>>of
>>
>>>switches to turn it off and I couldn't figure it out. I knew it was a
>>
>>marker
>>
>>>of sorts, so I knew it would go away, I just hoped it would go away
>>
>>fast to
>>
>>>ease everyone anxiety. Any tips on how to turn it off?
>>>
>>
>>I would have thought that during your 40-50 hours of pilot training a
>>good instructor would have shot a few approaches during duel lessons
>>and you would have been aware of a outer marker passage.
>>
>>Ben Haas N801BH
>>
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Corky Scott
February 15th 05, 07:44 PM
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:26:37 GMT, Dave S >
wrote:

>I would recommend getting with the instructor in the club who checked
>you out in and endorsed you to fly the 172. That club instructor should
>be familiar with the radios and audio panels and be able to 1) address
>the issue and 2) provide some instruction on the subject for you.
>Getting someone to troubleshoot "beeping" over usenet is probably not
>nearly as effective.
>
>Of course, this recommendation is based on the assumption that you are
>in a flying club that requires checkouts by club instructors (which has
>been the case for me)

Is it necessarily the case though that a VFR pilot would have been
told about IFR radio functions? I know I wasn't told anything about
IFR radio procedures other than how to use the VOR nav functions.

I'm pretty sure I would have been just as mystified by the beeping as
the original poster.

Corky Scott

A Lieberman
February 15th 05, 09:45 PM
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:06 -0800, Bob Gardner wrote:

> Alan, all marker beacons transmit on 75Mhz. No way you are going to turn one
> off by changing ILS freq. I think the audio panel suggestions are closer to
> the solution.

Hey Bob,

Thanks for straightening me up! I would have never known.

I am just surprised that my marker beacon never went off when I practiced
landings in my VFR lessons over at JAN (Jackson MS).

Here I thought I was "programming" the marker beacon with a "NAV1
interface".

Guess I took a simple thing and made it complex....

Allen

Morgans
February 15th 05, 09:57 PM
"Corky Scott" > wrote
>
> Is it necessarily the case though that a VFR pilot would have been
> told about IFR radio functions? I know I wasn't told anything about
> IFR radio procedures other than how to use the VOR nav functions.
>
> I'm pretty sure I would have been just as mystified by the beeping as
> the original poster.
>
> Corky Scott

I would think that a pilot would be taught basic things, on everything in
the plane, at least to the level of turning it off.
--
Jim in NC

Bob Gardner
February 16th 05, 12:29 AM
In addition to operating on a single frequency, the antenna radiation
patterns are quite small...with the sensitivity switch in the Low position,
you pretty much have to fly right over the antenna to get the sound and
light. But that is what they are for, after all...indicators of exact
position.

Bob

"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:13:06 -0800, Bob Gardner wrote:
>
>> Alan, all marker beacons transmit on 75Mhz. No way you are going to turn
>> one
>> off by changing ILS freq. I think the audio panel suggestions are closer
>> to
>> the solution.
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> Thanks for straightening me up! I would have never known.
>
> I am just surprised that my marker beacon never went off when I practiced
> landings in my VFR lessons over at JAN (Jackson MS).
>
> Here I thought I was "programming" the marker beacon with a "NAV1
> interface".
>
> Guess I took a simple thing and made it complex....
>
> Allen

Dave S
February 16th 05, 04:46 AM
Morgans wrote:

> "Corky Scott" > wrote
>
>>Is it necessarily the case though that a VFR pilot would have been
>>told about IFR radio functions? I know I wasn't told anything about
>>IFR radio procedures other than how to use the VOR nav functions.
>>
>>I'm pretty sure I would have been just as mystified by the beeping as
>>the original poster.
>>
>>Corky Scott
>
>
> I would think that a pilot would be taught basic things, on everything in
> the plane, at least to the level of turning it off.

Amen... not to mention.. just because I am a VFR pilot does not mean I
dont use the VOR and DME to navigate. Identifying navaids (and turning
on and off their audio feature) is key to navigating properly. But..
more than anything else, if it's on the plane, I think it's prudent to
know what everything is, and how to use it at the most basic level. Our
flying club did so...

Dave

Dave S
February 16th 05, 04:49 AM
A Lieberman wrote:


> Just turn the NAV1 frequency to another frequency, and that would have
> turned the marker beacon off.
>
> Allen

The marker beacon is an independent radio reciever that is not connected
to the nav radio whatsoever. It may or may not be integrated with the
audio panel, but there usually is a mute or speaker switch associated
with it. Changing the nav radio should have no effect on the marker
beacon reciever, since the same marker beacon reciever frequency is used
across the entire country (and world, if I remember right)

Dave

Stefan
February 16th 05, 12:11 PM
Slick wrote:

> use before, but I couldn't figure it out and it scared my mother half to
> death, (She thought it was a sound that meant the engine was about to die).

Maybe she wasn't scared by the beeps, but rather because she discovered
that you were flying in a plane you even didn't know the switches. A
very reasonable scare.

> Any tips on how to turn it off?

RTFM

Stefan

JF
February 18th 05, 04:47 AM
Stephen McNaught wrote:

> If (s)he's refering to K1B9, Mansfield, Mass., then it does not have an
> ILS. Don't know when the beeping was heard, but there are other airports in
> the area that do have ILS approaches.

There is no such identifier as K1B9. The Mansfield, Mass airport is 1B9. ICAO
identifiers do not have numbers in them.

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