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December 21st 17, 02:56 AM
Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
MNLou
December 21st 17, 03:16 AM
In my LAK17a, I use Coloplast Conveen Optima condom catheters connected to tubing (via two one way valves) and a 4 liter collection bag behind my seat.. I keep the bag in a waterproof outer bag "just in case)" You need to empty and rinse the bag every flight (obviously).
There are long and short versions of the condom catheters. I find the shorts hold just fine and are much easier to remove.
I'm pretty happy with that set up. It is a bit more convenient to have the tube run outside your glider via an external hole (as it did in my PW-5) but you do end up with a dirty glider and getting urine corrosion on any parts it hits / gets sucked up into.
Lou
December 21st 17, 03:21 AM
I like the "overboard" option. There's a few guys I would have liked to "pee" on thermalling below me lol.
son_of_flubber
December 21st 17, 03:25 AM
>whats your experience with cathaters.
The external catheters use an adhesive. Selective manscaping pays off at the end of the day.
December 21st 17, 03:29 AM
Gees, I dont know if I like that "adhesive" idea.
JS[_5_]
December 21st 17, 04:01 AM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 7:29:42 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Gees, I dont know if I like that "adhesive" idea.
I wouldn't want to use anything but an external catheter plumbed to the outside world, preferably in a system that the urine does not contact the glider. Seems best to install a conduit to push a tube attached to the catheter through, extending it beyond the laminar flow.
Using a "hand-held device" while driving a car is considered bad. It should be at least as bad while flying?
The adhesive is far less sticky than a "band aid".
Jim
Tim Taylor
December 21st 17, 04:33 AM
Several options available in addition to the adhesive condom catheters.
1. Inflatable condom catheters. Reusable and non-adhesive.
2. Zip lock bags with adsorbant pads. These work well if you are not needing to urinate on all flights, but want something in case you need one.
December 21st 17, 05:57 AM
Non adhesive conveens with a little velcro tie wrap. Dont laugh - Ive been using that for over 30 years with no inflight mishaps - and I re-use the conveens many times. Rinse, hang to dry, dust inside and out with a very small amount of talc and roll up over a tube sized to give just a little stretch. A box of 30 lasts about a decade (I'm on my third). Too much information??
Paul Ruskin[_2_]
December 21st 17, 09:32 AM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 4:01:31 AM UTC, JS wrote:
Seems best to install a conduit to push a tube attached to the catheter through, extending it beyond the laminar flow.
How far out do you need to go for the urine to miss the glider?
Transfix external catheters, with an external tube (from the BGA website for the Brits) work well for me.
Paul
December 21st 17, 01:08 PM
I have the adhesive catheter/overboard system. It works great. The tube exits the fuselage bottom a bit off center. I just put a little rudder in to yaw the ship when necessary. This seems to keep the stream of the bottom. Pour some water through at the end of the day to keep things clean. One consideration is the temperature. You don't want the tube clogged with a frozen block of urine. My solution is a second length of tubing with a quick disconnect. When finished dumping ballast I disconnect the catheter, connect the second tube and blow air through and then re-connect the catheter. I've heard of a t-connector being used for the same purpose. As mentioned in another thread, there seem to be two types of catheters - those that won't stay on and those that won't come off. The second is better. There is a liquid called Detachol that releases the adhesive pretty much instantly. Goo Gone might do the same thing but Detachol is made specifically for this purpose. Check the archives, this topic has been discussed thoroughly in other threads.
Paul Agnew
December 21st 17, 01:21 PM
Coloplast will send you a bag full of samples if you go to their website. I thought for sure that I'd be put on a mailing list, but haven't heard anything more once I placed my sample order last spring.
There is a circumference sizing template to print and cut out as well. Use it! No man will guess the correct size...
Paul A.
December 21st 17, 01:27 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
Hospital urine bag with extended wear external catheter. That way no urine gets on glider, nothing to mess with in flight. One note: extended wear means one day not one season!
December 21st 17, 02:40 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
External catheter. Trim local hair beforehand or pay the price.
This connects via a quick disconnect to a probe that sticks out the bottom of the fuselage about 8 inches. Probe is 3/8 OD polyflo tubing. This is stiff but somewhat bendable. When not in use, disconnect,pull up, and tuck in one of the available straps(usually a seat belt strap).
A small mylar flap covers the exit hole when probe is not out.
Belly and cockpit stay clean and minimal hyjinks to use.
UH
rudolph stutzmann
December 21st 17, 03:10 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
My old ship had a tube system that exited just ahead of the gear doors. a gentle side slip and flush it with water helped keep the underside of the plane clean... ship side of the tubing had a quick connect clip. Used a disposable external catheter with a quick connect clip on the end of it. Kept another foot long section of clean tubing with a connector to attach and flush system out after use in flight.
New ship doesn't have plumbing installed, use these for now.
http://www.traveljohn.com/products/disposabale-urinal/traveljohn-disposable-urinal/
Double bag inside gallon zip lock bags as extra security. Can use catheter with short tubing to ensure better accuracy as well with this set up..
Dan Marotta
December 21st 17, 03:48 PM
I recall hearing on the radio several years back someone informing
someone else that he had a yellow icicle extending aft from his rudder.
I use the Coloplast with a urinary drainage bag, too.Â* I just lay it on
the cockpit floor between my knees so I have a short straight tube and
less chance of things getting jammed up.Â* The bag has its own anti
reflux valve so there's no need for the fancy connectors in my setup.Â*
Unfortunately the last time I ordered I was told that they're no longer
in production.Â* I'll be needing another source or product.
On 12/20/2017 8:21 PM, wrote:
> I like the "overboard" option. There's a few guys I would have liked to "pee" on thermalling below me lol.
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Dan Marotta
December 21st 17, 03:54 PM
Fidel told me that the reason he wears rubber gloves during annuals is
because the gliders with an external relief tube are "Nasty". Translate
that to corrosion of lower rudder hinge, tail wheel axle and bearings,
main landing gear, etc.
On 12/21/2017 2:32 AM, Paul Ruskin wrote:
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 4:01:31 AM UTC, JS wrote:
> Seems best to install a conduit to push a tube attached to the catheter through, extending it beyond the laminar flow.
>
> How far out do you need to go for the urine to miss the glider?
>
> Transfix external catheters, with an external tube (from the BGA website for the Brits) work well for me.
>
> Paul
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December 21st 17, 04:01 PM
As a flight instructor with several young female students (Yeah! Some more women in soaring maybe!) I'd be a lot more interested in hearing any women pilots address this, because I think the problem for guys is simpler and better understood.
I fly a Discus B, and my solution for it is really simple: I carry an empty plastic Snapple ice-tea bottle, with cap. There's room between the control stick and me, angles work OK.
This doesn't work for me in every glider -- in particular it sure doesn't work in a friend's DG-101 with the parallel stick mechanism that leaves no room to my crotch.
I don't often get close to its usable capacity (which is about half the bottle volume) but the solution for that is either the foresight to carry a second bottle, or with some caution I have learned how to put it out the side vent and get enough fore-arm out so that I can stick the bottle far enough down so that the urine will go cleanly underneath the wing -- I acknowledge that this maneuver is tricky, and needs some practice (perhaps with clean water) before it is reliable, and may not work for everybody in every glider.
If you want to try this maneuver here's the method:
1. speed up to about 60 - 70 . (Slower than this is likely to have urine hitting the wing ... faster may generate enough turbulence in the bottle to extract droplets before you want to.)
I need to release my left shoulder strap to proceed:
2. stick the bottle out through the vent-window open mouth first and angled well forward and up about 60 degrees.
3. Lean so you can get your elbow close to the vent -- that you can do this is easy to test on the ground; if you can't do this, this dump technique won't work cleanly for you.
4. move your hand down as far as you can (so the urine will go under the wing), twist your wrist to point the mouth outboard and then down -- voila .... it's gone.
If the speed and technique are right nothing comes out until you want it to, and it doesn't hit you or the wing.
Bruce Hoult
December 21st 17, 04:12 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 7:01:55 PM UTC+3, wrote:
> As a flight instructor with several young female students (Yeah! Some more women in soaring maybe!) I'd be a lot more interested in hearing any women pilots address this, because I think the problem for guys is simpler and better understood.
There are any number of devices on the market for female athletes, hikers etc etc
https://menstrualcupreviews.net/best-female-urination-devices-pee-funnels-reviews/
I don't know how hard it is to get a good seal.
> I fly a Discus B, and my solution for it is really simple: I carry an empty plastic Snapple ice-tea bottle, with cap. There's room between the control stick and me, angles work OK.
>
> This doesn't work for me in every glider -- in particular it sure doesn't work in a friend's DG-101 with the parallel stick mechanism that leaves no room to my crotch.
Whether this works is also heavily dependent on whether you're a "grow-er" or a "show-er". We grow-ers have a more difficult job, assuming we're not all that excited at the time.
John Cochrane[_3_]
December 21st 17, 04:35 PM
My solution: External catheter. Use a little bit of talcum powder on the .... sensitive area.. first, so it comes off more easily. Connect to last year's camelback bladder, which goes down near your legs. This has two liters of capacity, way more than hospital urine bags. It's hands off, it's simple, no littering the countryside or bags caught on the leading edge, no pee - rust damage on the glider.
John Cochrane
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
December 21st 17, 04:36 PM
I still use quart sized zip lock baggies. If you catch the urge early enough, there is time to pee and NOT fill the bag. Long flights, most of us should pee a few times, more if it gets cold (read up on cold weather dehydration......).
Part clue is, zip the used bag about 90% closed, thus it empties on the way down. Don't need close to a quart of liquid at terminal velocity hitting the ground or anything else.
I like to try and "go" when up on a street, trim to about 60MPH, then hands off the stick while "taking care of business". If I'm doing a ridge run, pee before getting on tree tops, maybe during a gap jump when it's smoother.
I remember a "well known" pilot saying he used to put a finished apple core in the baggies before filling......sorta interesting.
If I get back to more flying long flights, I shall look at an external catheter, most comp ships I fly have a system in place for that.
Note, if you keep bags in the ship, "air test" them for leaks before filling. Stuff in the little side pockets can wear/punch a hole in the bag. Sucks to find a leaking bag due to liquid leaks......
A small hand towel is also nice to clean any spills.
Women pilots....sheesh, adult diapers are likely the easiest because of their "plumbing" and most glass seating positions.
Jonathan St. Cloud
December 21st 17, 04:50 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 7:29:42 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Gees, I dont know if I like that "adhesive" idea.
Hell I duct tape mine on. It is no fun to have a catheter come off at 17,500 two hours into 900 km flight, I know.
Richard Pfiffner[_2_]
December 21st 17, 05:25 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 8:51:01 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 7:29:42 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > Gees, I dont know if I like that "adhesive" idea.
>
> Hell I duct tape mine on. It is no fun to have a catheter come off at 17,500 two hours into 900 km flight, I know.
At Montague we put your phone number on the ziplock bag and drop on Steven Segals' ranch.
R
Tony[_5_]
December 21st 17, 05:28 PM
After one contest where i landed wet every day but the last trying various solutions, i finally iterated to an overboard tube with condom catheter. I buy them in boxes of 100 or so from Amazon. i'll wipe the belly. having a ziploc bag of pee in the cockpit with me is too stressful. Having containers of pee in the cockpit just seems to me like a bomb waiting to go off.
December 21st 17, 05:45 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 10:35:13 AM UTC-6, John Cochrane wrote:
> My solution: External catheter. Use a little bit of talcum powder on the .... sensitive area.. first, so it comes off more easily. Connect to last year's camelback bladder, which goes down near your legs. This has two liters of capacity, way more than hospital urine bags. It's hands off, it's simple, no littering the countryside or bags caught on the leading edge, no pee - rust damage on the glider.
>
> John Cochrane
Pee'd into uninary leg bags for a long time, now over-board line ending at the edge of a gear door (you see me lowering my gear, better run). Had to empty a very full cold leg bag through the window at Parowan at altitude once. The pee froze immediately against the outside of the canopy, not pretty.
Herb
john firth
December 21st 17, 05:46 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with catheters. What brand and how are they.
Tried to order a coloplast sample; they want a birth year.
Selection starts at 2018 and can only be stepped back.
Would you believe 72 steps?
JMF
December 21st 17, 05:50 PM
I use a quart sized zip lock baggie with a toddler size diaper folded inside of it (inside out, with the absorbent part exposed). This takes care of the danger of the bag getting punctured, since the diaper soaks up the liquid (in a couple of minutes). Yes it's a bit of a distraction when using it, but I can choose when to use it, during a quiet part of the flight (cruise rather than thermal).
And I never throw it overboard - bad PR!
WB
December 21st 17, 07:17 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 11:50:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> I use a quart sized zip lock baggie with a toddler size diaper folded inside of it (inside out, with the absorbent part exposed). This takes care of the danger of the bag getting punctured, since the diaper soaks up the liquid (in a couple of minutes). Yes it's a bit of a distraction when using it, but I can choose when to use it, during a quiet part of the flight (cruise rather than thermal).
>
> And I never throw it overboard - bad PR!
I do about the same: Make "piddle packs" out of doubled ziplocs containing the pad from an adult diaper. That will completely absorb at least two good urinations. Also absorbs barf (yeah, after more than 30 years at this, I still occasionally get airsick).
Outlanded at a lonely little county airport once and got thoroughly interrogated and searched by a very young, completely freaked out sheriff's deputy (female version of Barney Fife). She was asking if I had weapons or drugs onboard when she spotted the "used" ziploc baggy pee bomb protruding from under the seat rim. She snatched it up and it was about two beats before she realized what she was holding. That significantly dampened her enthusiasm for further searching.
December 21st 17, 07:33 PM
> Outlanded at a lonely little county airport once and got thoroughly interrogated and searched by a very young, completely freaked out sheriff's deputy (female version of Barney Fife). She was asking if I had weapons or drugs onboard when she spotted the "used" ziploc baggy pee bomb protruding from under the seat rim. She snatched it up and it was about two beats before she realized what she was holding. That significantly dampened her enthusiasm for further searching.
I use a male adhesive catheter and "leg bag" for myself, but make up a few "guest" baggies for use in our duo. Those are just quart ziplocks with a heaping teaspoon of Sodium Polyacrylate (the magic absorbent in diapers). You can get it on Amazon, a pound will last many lifetimes.
Unused this would definitely get the attention of the sheriff. White powder in a plastic bag, huh...
RR
John Cochrane[_3_]
December 21st 17, 07:34 PM
Problems with pee tubes include freezing up, and pee causing tail components to rust. I've had both happen. A catheter and bladder both exploding at 17,500 over the whites is not that fun! That's what led me to an onboard system.
All this joking aside, having some pee system and the ability to use it in the cockpit should be mandatory before going off cross country. If you can't pee, you won't drink, and if you don't drink, you can't think.
John Cochrane
December 21st 17, 08:07 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 12:45:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 10:35:13 AM UTC-6, John Cochrane wrote:
> > My solution: External catheter. Use a little bit of talcum powder on the ... sensitive area.. first, so it comes off more easily. Connect to last year's camelback bladder, which goes down near your legs. This has two liters of capacity, way more than hospital urine bags. It's hands off, it's simple, no littering the countryside or bags caught on the leading edge, no pee - rust damage on the glider.
> >
> > John Cochrane
>
> Pee'd into uninary leg bags for a long time, now over-board line ending at the edge of a gear door (you see me lowering my gear, better run). Had to empty a very full cold leg bag through the window at Parowan at altitude once. The pee froze immediately against the outside of the canopy, not pretty.
> Herb
Location of the dump point at the aft end of the gear door seems like it should work well.
It has 3 important shortcomings.
1- Urine does get into the landing gear box and rudder hinge area with this method. Anybody who has worked on gliders much has seen rusted landing gear parts as a result of this. I had to cut the rudder horn fairing off one glider to get at the lower hinge bolt due to rust.
2- Freezing. The long length and path can lead to freezing, especially at low points.
3- Cleaning. It is hard to clean out well.
The probe out the belly solution avoids these issues.
Another opinion.
UH
Andy Blackburn[_3_]
December 21st 17, 08:07 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-8, John Cochrane wrote:
> Problems with pee tubes include freezing up, and pee causing tail components to rust. I've had both happen. A catheter and bladder both exploding at 17,500 over the whites is not that fun! That's what led me to an onboard system.
>
> All this joking aside, having some pee system and the ability to use it in the cockpit should be mandatory before going off cross country. If you can't pee, you won't drink, and if you don't drink, you can't think.
>
> John Cochrane
I use these:
https://www.athomemedical.com/Hollister-InView-Standard-p/ho975-.htm
https://www.allegromedical.com/catheters-c539/uro-safe-disposable-vinyl-leg-bag-32-oz-p192445.html
Get as long a catheter as you can make use of and get the ones with a long glue line. I'd much rather carefully peel the thing off at the end of the day than have one come off in flight.
On days when you get to high altitudes and colder OAT your extremities may get cold, leading to hypothermic diuresis. On those sorts of days I have filled two (32 oz) bags, so I always carry two. Cold also leads to "shrinkage" and potential loss of adequate surface for a good glue seal. If a catheter comes off it's just a mess and can be challenging to fix. Trying to don a new catheter (I carry three on every flight) with urine on everything while sitting strapped into a glider with a chute on - all while trying to fly is an exercise to be avoided at any reasonable cost. Oftentimes the replacement catheter won't stick properly because of the wet (plus it's cold, so, well, you know). Put the catheter on carefully on the ground before you get in the cockpit is my primary advice.
I also have an overboard tube that is attached to the inside of the main gear door so I have to put the gear down to dump. I only use this to dump a filled bag as I don't really want the gear down for the time it would take to pee directly overboard. With the bag always attached, you just pee at your leisure without a big production. I generally agree, dumping overboard is to be avoided. If you do, make sure to rinse off all the fittings in the tail/rudder upon landing.
Dan Marotta
December 21st 17, 08:50 PM
Watch out for sunburn, too!Â* I carry a couple of rags for that and they
double for cleanup, if necessary.
On 12/21/2017 1:07 PM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 11:34:57 AM UTC-8, John Cochrane wrote:
>> Problems with pee tubes include freezing up, and pee causing tail components to rust. I've had both happen. A catheter and bladder both exploding at 17,500 over the whites is not that fun! That's what led me to an onboard system.
>>
>> All this joking aside, having some pee system and the ability to use it in the cockpit should be mandatory before going off cross country. If you can't pee, you won't drink, and if you don't drink, you can't think.
>>
>> John Cochrane
> I use these:
>
> https://www.athomemedical.com/Hollister-InView-Standard-p/ho975-.htm
> https://www.allegromedical.com/catheters-c539/uro-safe-disposable-vinyl-leg-bag-32-oz-p192445.html
>
> Get as long a catheter as you can make use of and get the ones with a long glue line. I'd much rather carefully peel the thing off at the end of the day than have one come off in flight.
>
> On days when you get to high altitudes and colder OAT your extremities may get cold, leading to hypothermic diuresis. On those sorts of days I have filled two (32 oz) bags, so I always carry two. Cold also leads to "shrinkage" and potential loss of adequate surface for a good glue seal. If a catheter comes off it's just a mess and can be challenging to fix. Trying to don a new catheter (I carry three on every flight) with urine on everything while sitting strapped into a glider with a chute on - all while trying to fly is an exercise to be avoided at any reasonable cost. Oftentimes the replacement catheter won't stick properly because of the wet (plus it's cold, so, well, you know). Put the catheter on carefully on the ground before you get in the cockpit is my primary advice.
>
> I also have an overboard tube that is attached to the inside of the main gear door so I have to put the gear down to dump. I only use this to dump a filled bag as I don't really want the gear down for the time it would take to pee directly overboard. With the bag always attached, you just pee at your leisure without a big production. I generally agree, dumping overboard is to be avoided. If you do, make sure to rinse off all the fittings in the tail/rudder upon landing.
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Boise Pilot
December 21st 17, 09:43 PM
A couple of us in Idaho have put a tube from the cockpit to under the rudder. Use a funnel with a small electric pump under the seat pan that pumps fluids out the back with no residue on the glider. Only draw back, have to run some RV antifreeze through the system after each use to keep the system from freezing up. Other than that issue the system works well and no clean up of the aircraft.
Paul T[_4_]
December 21st 17, 09:51 PM
Buy one of the two Rumpf Super Hp18's with Udo's built in removable
pee bottle at the base of the instrument panel! Best system I've ever
seen in a sailplane.
Alternatively use gel pee bags.
December 21st 17, 09:57 PM
This site has a lot of info, including a posting I wrote for RAS many, many years ago: http://aviation.derosaweb.net/relief/
Some interesting updates in the recent postings, including reusable catheters. It's annoying to discover the day before leaving for a big contest that I'm running low on the adhesive type.
The ones I've bought the last few years aren't latex. They're clear plastic of some kind (silicone?) and seem to stay on much better (e.g., see 9B's comments about cold). Still, I carry at least two for every flight. I, too, apply them before launch. Loose clothing works makes it easier.
If I were to do it over again now, I'd probably go the UH route. That said, when we removed the rudder on my 25-year-old ASW 24 last winter, where I've had the dump port mounted on the lower aft corner of the gear door for that long, there was no corrosion. But having to lower and then raise the gear each time is a hassle, including listening to complaints from pilots below you in a thermal. :)
The older I get, the more I drink to stay hydrated and the more often I pee..
I didn't realize anyone was still littering the countryside with plastic bags.
Chip Bearden
Dan Daly[_2_]
December 21st 17, 10:48 PM
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 11:12:56 AM UTC-5, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 7:01:55 PM UTC+3, wrote:
> > As a flight instructor with several young female students (Yeah! Some more women in soaring maybe!) I'd be a lot more interested in hearing any women pilots address this, because I think the problem for guys is simpler and better understood.
>
> There are any number of devices on the market for female athletes, hikers etc etc
Williams Soaring has a system on their website at https://www.williamssoaring.com/catalog/pilot-supplies.html ; about a third of the way down the page - 'female relief systems'.
jfitch
December 21st 17, 10:59 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 6:56:46 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
Here is a different idea that some of us are using: put a large poly tube bonded through the hull (but cut flush) directly under and extending up to the intended area of use. Another tube that is a slip fit is cut long enough to extend 12-18" beyond the fuselage. On the near end of that put a Coleman refueling funnel used for camp stoves. To deploy, stick the smaller tube down into place - effluent sucked out and discharged well away from the fuselage. Rinse slightly with your water supply, then retract, remove, and stow. Advantages are it gets the pee further away, does not freeze, you don't have to glue it to your privates, and you're not carrying around a septic tank the rest of the flight.
Here's the funnel. It's the right size, shape, and color!
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000016489-Filter-Funnel/dp/B0000AS5QB
December 21st 17, 10:59 PM
In addition to the sunburn preventer, I think also modify the bailout procedure to canopy, cath, belts, butt.
Having an easy way to keep fluids flowing is necessary to keep the brain working to stay up.
To make this easy, I modified the transponder fin to have a 3/8 poly tube down the front edge. This is behind the gear doors and a bit to the side, so it doesn't seem to streak the glider. It stays hooked up all the time so there is no hassle factor. There is a tee in the line with a blow tube usually clamped with hemostats. This permits blowing out the tube to the back if there is a worry about freezing preventing a second use. After flight, the blow tube is used to flush out the system.
Overall, having a good, simple pee system is a definite improvement in flying.
I find it amazing how many diverse areas of expertise flying gliders requires. That's part of what makes it fun.
Jonathan St. Cloud
December 22nd 17, 01:14 AM
So, pick a number. I would never use my real birthday or year online.
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 9:46:11 AM UTC-8, john firth wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with catheters. What brand and how are they.
>
> Tried to order a coloplast sample; they want a birth year.
>
> Selection starts at 2018 and can only be stepped back.
> Would you believe 72 steps?
>
> JMF
jfitch
December 22nd 17, 02:50 AM
I wonder what they do if you pick 2018? Send you one into the future?
On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:14:09 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> So, pick a number. I would never use my real birthday or year online.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 9:46:11 AM UTC-8, john firth wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > > Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with catheters. What brand and how are they.
> >
> > Tried to order a coloplast sample; they want a birth year.
> >
> > Selection starts at 2018 and can only be stepped back.
> > Would you believe 72 steps?
> >
> > JMF
CindyB[_2_]
December 22nd 17, 07:29 AM
>
> A small hand towel is also nice to clean any spills.
>
> Women pilots....sheesh, adult diapers are likely the easiest because of their "plumbing" and most glass seating positions.
Right.
But that isn't the whole story.
I always laughed when relief continued to be mentioned "every" weekend over almost 20 years. Dealing with new students and new owners, all the options were discussed. Repetitively. I always started by saying - it must be addressed if you want to be a more than 2 hours aloft pilot, cross-country or not. As a physiologic issue, it becomes a safety issue if 'ignored'.
On one of my early planned max-flight time straight outs, I proved that TWO diaper layers were not enough. I was happy to have a change of lower halfs on board. Since my landing was on an airfield seven and a half hours later, it was simple to clean up in the restroom and use fresh clothes.
I had tried the Willliams option of a soft funnel to an external bag and could not make it comfortable in a singleseater. Others might find it okay, depending on cockpit layout (trim location handles, stick boots, seat pan depth), chute straps and belts, and torso lengths.
Finally, when I began doing some long-duration wave flights (23 hours airborne in 36 hours), I found that self catheterization to a leg bag pair of 4 liters capacity was the right combination. I entered the cockpit with hose and shutoff down the interior of my pantsleg. Hookup to bags happened before seatbelts on and cockpit closed. For flights at multi-hours in Flight levels... the bags often froze, but not the leg lines. Towel for disconnect kept the glider clean.
Considering the additional inconvenience of having to have prescriptions for the equipment, per-flight expense,the discomfort, the potential for infection/etc. - I don't have much sympathy for worries of trimming hair, adhesive removal or failure of glue joints. You folks with hoses have it significantly easier.
If a gal wants to talk with me about it all, send her to me.
Cindy B
Roy B.
December 22nd 17, 03:37 PM
Thank you Cindy - your post is helpful. I never quite know what to suggest to my female XC students.
Today I use the Hollister brand male external catheter connected to a Bardia 2000ml hospital bag that lays on the floor near my ankle. It has a good anti reflux device built in. But the Bardia inlet tube is very hard plastic so I use a 6" relay of softer surgical tubing between the catheter and the tube that also has a shut off clip in it for extra security. I get about 20-25 flights out of a bag and occasionally rinse water through it. I throw away the bag and keep the surgical tube relay for reuse. A paper clip or twist tie is helpful to seal off the end of the catheter when exiting the glider to prevent leakage when you stand up wearing a catheter that has been used.
For many years I used the device called an "English Ice Bag" which actually works quite well, folds easily into a side pocket and is flexible and waterproof. I still keep one in my airplane flight kit. I have wondered if girls could use it too.
ROY
JS[_5_]
December 22nd 17, 05:23 PM
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 7:37:56 AM UTC-8, Roy B. wrote:
> Thank you Cindy - your post is helpful. I never quite know what to suggest to my female XC students.
>
> Today I use the Hollister brand male external catheter connected to a Bardia 2000ml hospital bag that lays on the floor near my ankle. It has a good anti reflux device built in. But the Bardia inlet tube is very hard plastic so I use a 6" relay of softer surgical tubing between the catheter and the tube that also has a shut off clip in it for extra security. I get about 20-25 flights out of a bag and occasionally rinse water through it. I throw away the bag and keep the surgical tube relay for reuse. A paper clip or twist tie is helpful to seal off the end of the catheter when exiting the glider to prevent leakage when you stand up wearing a catheter that has been used.
>
> For many years I used the device called an "English Ice Bag" which actually works quite well, folds easily into a side pocket and is flexible and waterproof. I still keep one in my airplane flight kit. I have wondered if girls could use it too.
>
> ROY
An English ice bag... Are they legal?
Could be as difficult to find as a Thai bread box.
Jim
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
December 22nd 17, 06:12 PM
Thank you from a female perspective. I only know a few females that do longer flights, Doris Grove, my mother and a few female juniors from HHSC and Valley Soaring, I know there are others, I just don't know them. I never really had good options for any of them, the "adult diapers" was my only suggestion, sorta based on the glider. Sitting sorta upright can be a challenge (2-33 or 1-26), glass can be a real PITA, even for guys.
Tango Whisky
December 22nd 17, 08:42 PM
Lots of complicates solutions... I just use biodegradeble bags, one inside another, and toss them out of the window. No problems since 20+ years, even while flying a ridge.
OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
December 23rd 17, 07:58 PM
See this Soaring magazine article for lots of details >> http://aviation.derosaweb.net/relief/ReliefSoaringMay2010.pdf
December 24th 17, 07:49 AM
On 23/12/2017 05:12, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Thank you from a female perspective. I only know a few females that do longer flights, Doris Grove, my mother and a few female juniors from HHSC and Valley Soaring, I know there are others, I just don't know them. I never really had good options for any of them, the "adult diapers" was my only suggestion, sorta based on the glider. Sitting sorta upright can be a challenge (2-33 or 1-26), glass can be a real PITA, even for guys.
>
The deluxe all-singing-and-several-thousand-dollars-dancing variety has
been produced for the US military (your taxes at work) and is called
AMXD - Advanced Mission Extender Device.
http://www.omnimedicalsys.com/index.php?page=products
--
GC
JS[_5_]
December 24th 17, 02:18 PM
On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 11:49:07 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On 23/12/2017 05:12, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > Thank you from a female perspective. I only know a few females that do longer flights, Doris Grove, my mother and a few female juniors from HHSC and Valley Soaring, I know there are others, I just don't know them. I never really had good options for any of them, the "adult diapers" was my only suggestion, sorta based on the glider. Sitting sorta upright can be a challenge (2-33 or 1-26), glass can be a real PITA, even for guys.
> >
> The deluxe all-singing-and-several-thousand-dollars-dancing variety has
> been produced for the US military (your taxes at work) and is called
> AMXD - Advanced Mission Extender Device.
>
> http://www.omnimedicalsys.com/index.php?page=products
>
> --
> GC
One-stop shopping for all your hydration and relief needs!
Probably cheap, since we already paid for it.
Jim
Muttley
December 24th 17, 03:13 PM
In my Duo I drilled hole into seat at critical point and straight down through the Hull as well. Installed guide tube about 2cm ID,glassed to the inside of the Hull ending up at Seat level with loose wind closing flap on outside of Hull. Used a small teflon coated aluminium Tube about 50-60cm long to push through the guiding Tube. At the business end of the alu tube,connected piece flexible tube with a quick one way walve connection to the Condom. Also put a stopper (lid) on the guiding tube when not in use.
1. No contamination on glider as evacuation is quite some way away from Hull i.e. 40cm
2. No chance of freezing as tube is kept in the glider
3. Suction is so great that every last drop is removed from Tube ie. no mess
4. Use the Tube only when required, ie do not leave permanently in during flight.
However a word of advice when using this System, the Condom should not be fitted to close to the Tip if you are not circumcised as the Suction could pull your Foreskin and block the outlet on the Condom.
December 25th 17, 01:01 AM
I started with a short section of thin walled plastic tube. Probably 5/8 inside diameter or pretty close to that. Drilled a hole large enough to fit the tube in the glider belly, just behind the stick. Drilled the same side hole in a small wood block, maybe 2x2x1. Push the tube through the hole in the wood block and out the belly, and glue the wood block to the floor (below the seat pan). Drill a hole in the seat pan, and trim the tube so that’s it’s flush with the outside of the glider and maybe 1/4 above the seat pan. Now you have a a sturdy channel to route your “pee tube” through. Make sure your “pee tube”is long enough to extend below the glider about 6 or 8 inches. If you don’t extend the far enough below the glider everything you send out will find its way back in via the wheel well, even with the doors closed.
December 25th 17, 02:22 AM
I don't remember who told me this story, or if it is even true (soaring pilots, don't you know), but be sure to retract the pee tube prior to landing. The tale I was told involved a tube so long that the main wheel ran over it on touchdown and gave the pilot an uncomfortable sensation as it forcibly removed the external catheter. And probably several years of life expectancy due to the surprise.
Jim Kellett
December 25th 17, 11:28 AM
On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 9:22:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I don't remember who told me this story, or if it is even true (soaring pilots, don't you know), but be sure to retract the pee tube prior to landing. The tale I was told involved a tube so long that the main wheel ran over it on touchdown and gave the pilot an uncomfortable sensation as it forcibly removed the external catheter. And probably several years of life expectancy due to the surprise.
<snip>
It's true. It happened to a good friend of mine (now deceased, but not from this experience!) It was a 1-26 and the tube exited the cockpit right in front of the wheel.
December 25th 17, 02:00 PM
On Sunday, December 24, 2017 at 9:22:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I don't remember who told me this story, or if it is even true (soaring pilots, don't you know), but be sure to retract the pee tube prior to landing. The tale I was told involved a tube so long that the main wheel ran over it on touchdown and gave the pilot an uncomfortable sensation as it forcibly removed the external catheter. And probably several years of life expectancy due to the surprise.
Followed upon landing with yelling "push it back-push it back!"
LOL
UH
Dan Marotta
December 25th 17, 06:21 PM
I always thought it made a great "curb feeler" (you youngsters look that
up), and was a last chance gear warning.
On 12/24/2017 7:22 PM, wrote:
> I don't remember who told me this story, or if it is even true (soaring pilots, don't you know), but be sure to retract the pee tube prior to landing. The tale I was told involved a tube so long that the main wheel ran over it on touchdown and gave the pilot an uncomfortable sensation as it forcibly removed the external catheter. And probably several years of life expectancy due to the surprise.
--
Dan, 5J
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December 25th 17, 08:06 PM
Le mercredi 20 dĂ©cembre 2017 21:56:46 UTC-5, a Ă©critÂ*:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
A different solution.
Because of cold weather and heavy clothing in club glider with no urinal possibilty I have used with success and no mess a maximum absorbency pad inside a overnight underwear. The pad will gel. If the amount of fluid is to large it will over flow in the under wear and will not leak. No discomfort no odor no mess.
Gilles
Paul Agnew
December 25th 17, 08:17 PM
We'll look up "curb feeler" while you older guys look up "manscaping".
;-)
Paul A.
Dan Marotta
December 25th 17, 09:28 PM
I understand that, but real men don't mind a little pain. :-D
On 12/25/2017 1:17 PM, Paul Agnew wrote:
> We'll look up "curb feeler" while you older guys look up "manscaping".
>
> ;-)
>
> Paul A.
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December 26th 17, 12:48 AM
On Monday, December 25, 2017 at 10:21:52 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I always thought it made a great "curb feeler" (you youngsters look that
> up), and was a last chance gear warning.
Except when it sticks dow farther than the gear and the unfortunate pilot pulls up, retracts the wheel and slams down on the belly. It's been done...
5Z
Waveguru
December 26th 17, 03:05 PM
I had an Open Jantar with a relief port built into the fuselage under the seat. After using it for a season there was an article in Soaring about how the pee would run down the fuselage, into the gear well, and corrode things.. I ended up removing the gear and refinishing it. The article said to run the tube back to the gear doors to get the pee away from the fuselage by dropping the gear. It also said to put a T in the line so you could blow it out so it wouldn't freeze. I ran a new line back and put the T in, tested it on the ground and went soaring. After a couple of hours in the wave, I really had to pee, so I dropped the gear and cut loose. The pee started coming out of the blow out tube and into my lap! I immediately pinched off the tube, but it's hard to stop peeing that quick. The condom started filling up like a water balloon! Great, now what? I stuck the tube out the vent window and finished the job, spraying **** all over the fuselage and wing. So I'm left with a tube full of **** that I didn't want inside. I thought there must be some small plug in the line, it had worked on the ground... My solution was to wipe off the end of the tube and blow on it, which just re-inflated the condom! Frustrated and not thinking, I pulled the tube out of my mouth, blasting the remaining **** back into my mouth and all over my face! My first response was disgust, but then I thought "That didn't taste all that bad... Maybe with a little ice and a sprig of mint..." Back on the ground I discovered the problem. I had ran tube under the seat pan and my weight crushed the tube. After re-routing, it worked well for many years. Happy soaring.
Boggs
Roy B.
December 26th 17, 03:40 PM
Boggs:
You should sell the movie rights to that story. :-)
ROY
JS[_5_]
December 26th 17, 06:46 PM
On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 7:05:07 AM UTC-8, Waveguru wrote:
> I had an Open Jantar with a relief port built into the fuselage under the seat. After using it for a season there was an article in Soaring about how the pee would run down the fuselage, into the gear well, and corrode things. I ended up removing the gear and refinishing it. The article said to run the tube back to the gear doors to get the pee away from the fuselage by dropping the gear. It also said to put a T in the line so you could blow it out so it wouldn't freeze. I ran a new line back and put the T in, tested it on the ground and went soaring. After a couple of hours in the wave, I really had to pee, so I dropped the gear and cut loose. The pee started coming out of the blow out tube and into my lap! I immediately pinched off the tube, but it's hard to stop peeing that quick. The condom started filling up like a water balloon! Great, now what? I stuck the tube out the vent window and finished the job, spraying **** all over the fuselage and wing. So I'm left with a tube full of **** that I didn't want inside. I thought there must be some small plug in the line, it had worked on the ground... My solution was to wipe off the end of the tube and blow on it, which just re-inflated the condom! Frustrated and not thinking, I pulled the tube out of my mouth, blasting the remaining **** back into my mouth and all over my face! My first response was disgust, but then I thought "That didn't taste all that bad... Maybe with a little ice and a sprig of mint..." Back on the ground I discovered the problem. I had ran tube under the seat pan and my weight crushed the tube. After re-routing, it worked well for many years. Happy soaring.
>
> Boggs
Thanks for the comic relief, Gary.
Did I write that? Sorry.
Jim
Paul Agnew
December 26th 17, 10:01 PM
On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 10:05:07 AM UTC-5, Waveguru wrote:
> I had an Open Jantar with a relief port built into the fuselage under the seat. After using it for a season there was an article in Soaring about how the pee would run down the fuselage, into the gear well, and corrode things. I ended up removing the gear and refinishing it. The article said to run the tube back to the gear doors to get the pee away from the fuselage by dropping the gear. It also said to put a T in the line so you could blow it out so it wouldn't freeze. I ran a new line back and put the T in, tested it on the ground and went soaring. After a couple of hours in the wave, I really had to pee, so I dropped the gear and cut loose. The pee started coming out of the blow out tube and into my lap! I immediately pinched off the tube, but it's hard to stop peeing that quick. The condom started filling up like a water balloon! Great, now what? I stuck the tube out the vent window and finished the job, spraying **** all over the fuselage and wing. So I'm left with a tube full of **** that I didn't want inside. I thought there must be some small plug in the line, it had worked on the ground... My solution was to wipe off the end of the tube and blow on it, which just re-inflated the condom! Frustrated and not thinking, I pulled the tube out of my mouth, blasting the remaining **** back into my mouth and all over my face! My first response was disgust, but then I thought "That didn't taste all that bad... Maybe with a little ice and a sprig of mint..." Back on the ground I discovered the problem. I had ran tube under the seat pan and my weight crushed the tube. After re-routing, it worked well for many years. Happy soaring.
>
> Boggs
OMG - I needed a laugh like that today!
Paul A.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
December 26th 17, 10:35 PM
Yes, that post was a ****er.......;-)
LOL.........
BTW, some peeps pay extra for that......8-0
December 26th 17, 11:54 PM
Never had the full Boggs experience, although I did have the tube freeze up once in the wave after using it. Fortunately the blockage melted in time, after which I added a T and blow tube for cold weather flying.
In terms of mess, filling a paper task sheet folded into a "cup" and emptying it out the clear vision panel of our 201 Libelle...three times...came close back in the 70s when men were men and we just held it for 8 or more hours. Fortunately it rained on me after I landed and washed away the evidence before anyone asked why the gel coat had started to yellow so dramatically.
A few times on early flights I felt like my system (tube under the seat pan leading to the aft corner of the gear door) was not emptying as fast as it should. I lifted my butt off the pan just a bit and presto! I later installed some spacers to prevent the seat pan from compressing the tube and no problems since.
It's amazing what can go wrong with such a "simple" device. But that's one reason why I don't have any connections between the cockpit and the gear door: one continuous piece of tubing.
The tube pushed out temporarily through the belly skin sure sounds like the way to go.
Chip Bearden
December 27th 17, 04:45 PM
I did as my mentor suggested and put a hole through the belly and use a flexible tube with external catheter - works terrific!
I added one thing that I believe is an excellent modification and makes this simple system even better.
I glue a strong plastic straw (like the ones found in water bottles) to the end of the tube - so when the tube is extended into he air stream - the straw does not bend - I never have unwanted yellow stains anywhere on the bottom of my ship.
The straws are about 12 inches long cost $.50 cents and work great. You can find them on Amazon.
WH
CindyB[_2_]
December 28th 17, 08:25 PM
On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 11:49:07 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> On 23/12/2017 05:12, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > Thank you from a female perspective.
> The deluxe all-singing-and-several-thousand-dollars-dancing variety has
> been produced for the US military (your taxes at work) and is called
> AMXD - Advanced Mission Extender Device.
>
> http://www.omnimedicalsys.com/index.php?page=products
>
> --
> GC
Thank you GC for the real data.... I had to contact Omni Medical
and find out more.
This thing should whistle Dixie, Battle Hymn of the Republic or your downloadable choice - Rain by Beatles? Have You Ever Seen the Rain Fogarty?
Maybe Enya - Water Voices.
CSK-2-F-1 or 2 –Female Control Starter Kit Contains:
Female Control Unit, 2-Rechargeable Battery Packs, Charger, Power Adaptor, Training Video, User’s Manual
1 Removable Hose RHA-21B-2-F
2- Drainable Collection Bags 1200mL CCU-10-RU-12
3- IFP-16-2-2 Female Pads
2-FG Female Undergarments and 16 oz Bottle of cleaner (H2O2 3%)
Quote good for 30 days and includes shipping = $2975 USD. (sharp inhale)
They were extremely quick in answering my email.
I know the male version has been used in gliders. Probably the nicest thing
I can say about it is that the container is not transparent. They probably tested it enough to be assured it functions well(for the F-35. etc.). The thing that concerns me the most? Another set of batteries to charge, or get cold and fail. And there's something creepy about electrical contacts that close to me. Probably less creepy for you fellows, again.
Their literature suggests that with good hygiene and peroxide, you can expect to get about five flights or fifteen days from the pads. That backs out to $100 per Aaaaahhhh, at 15 uses.
This thread just won't wilt.
Happy New Year,
Cindy B
Jonathan St. Cloud
December 29th 17, 05:35 PM
I know the Air Force used to use "Piddle packs" with a gel fill. Then they lost an F-16 when a pilot stepped on a rudder to get more extension from the pilot side relief unit. Result: Pilot ejected from out of control aircraft. No mention of any possible flail injuries.
Perhaps this over engineered and expensive system is a result of the "piddle pack" mishap.
On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 12:25:56 PM UTC-8, CindyB wrote:
> On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 11:49:07 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > On 23/12/2017 05:12, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > > Thank you from a female perspective.
>
> > The deluxe all-singing-and-several-thousand-dollars-dancing variety has
> > been produced for the US military (your taxes at work) and is called
> > AMXD - Advanced Mission Extender Device.
> >
> > http://www.omnimedicalsys.com/index.php?page=products
> >
> > --
> > GC
>
> Thank you GC for the real data.... I had to contact Omni Medical
> and find out more.
>
> This thing should whistle Dixie, Battle Hymn of the Republic or your downloadable choice - Rain by Beatles? Have You Ever Seen the Rain Fogarty?
> Maybe Enya - Water Voices.
>
> CSK-2-F-1 or 2 –Female Control Starter Kit Contains:
> Female Control Unit, 2-Rechargeable Battery Packs, Charger, Power Adaptor, Training Video, User’s Manual
> 1 Removable Hose RHA-21B-2-F
> 2- Drainable Collection Bags 1200mL CCU-10-RU-12
> 3- IFP-16-2-2 Female Pads
> 2-FG Female Undergarments and 16 oz Bottle of cleaner (H2O2 3%)
>
> Quote good for 30 days and includes shipping = $2975 USD. (sharp inhale)
> They were extremely quick in answering my email.
>
> I know the male version has been used in gliders. Probably the nicest thing
> I can say about it is that the container is not transparent. They probably tested it enough to be assured it functions well(for the F-35. etc.). The thing that concerns me the most? Another set of batteries to charge, or get cold and fail. And there's something creepy about electrical contacts that close to me. Probably less creepy for you fellows, again.
>
> Their literature suggests that with good hygiene and peroxide, you can expect to get about five flights or fifteen days from the pads. That backs out to $100 per Aaaaahhhh, at 15 uses.
>
> This thread just won't wilt.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Cindy B
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
December 29th 17, 09:30 PM
I should think nobody (regardless of gender) wants electrical bits near "private parts"....,...,,,unless you pay extra for that......no more explanation given...."don't ask, don't tell"..,,,, this IS a public forum......
Sheesh, for that price, adult diapers and a change of shorts seems cheap to me......
But, I'ma guy, easier for me/us.........
Surge
January 2nd 18, 10:02 AM
On Thursday, 21 December 2017 04:56:46 UTC+2, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
I use something called a Wee-Jon.
It's a disposable urinal bag with shaped lip that contains water absorbing gel. It can solidify up to 600ml of fluid and doesn't need to be sealed unless you exceed the 600ml limit.
https://www.asmc.com/Camping/Accessories/Maintenance/Personal-care/Urine-Bag-Wee-Jon-p.html
They're not cheap but still a lot cheaper than fixing corroding aircraft parts or a ruptured bladder.
There are manufacturers with practically identical products such as TravelJohn which are easier to source:
https://www.amazon.com/Travel-John-66911-TravelJohn-Disposable-Urinal/dp/B000NV878S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514886979&sr=8-1&keywords=traveljohn
Dan Daly[_2_]
January 2nd 18, 01:55 PM
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:02:56 AM UTC-5, Surge wrote:
> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 04:56:46 UTC+2, wrote:
> > Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
>
> I use something called a Wee-Jon.
> It's a disposable urinal bag with shaped lip that contains water absorbing gel. It can solidify up to 600ml of fluid and doesn't need to be sealed unless you exceed the 600ml limit.
> https://www.asmc.com/Camping/Accessories/Maintenance/Personal-care/Urine-Bag-Wee-Jon-p.html
> They're not cheap but still a lot cheaper than fixing corroding aircraft parts or a ruptured bladder.
>
> There are manufacturers with practically identical products such as TravelJohn which are easier to source:
> https://www.amazon.com/Travel-John-66911-TravelJohn-Disposable-Urinal/dp/B000NV878S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514886979&sr=8-1&keywords=traveljohn
TravelJohns are 28 fl oz/828 ml.
Cindy,
Most women who need the information probably know this site already (so I gather from the X-country women in our club):
http://www.freeflight.org.uk/plumbing/.
A number of alternatives are listed but the cross-country women who fly at our club seem to find the last option listed the most satisfactory - under the heading "In-Flight Toilet for Female Pilots". The German women's Team solution. I understand the gadgets are available from the email address given. Not sure if the price is current. They can be used with bags as discussed or can be connected to a pee tube - dealer's choice.
Generally, this is very much Secret Women's Business (Oz joke).
GC
On Friday, 29 December 2017 07:25:56 UTC+11, CindyB wrote:
> Thank you GC for the real data.... I had to contact Omni Medical
> and find out more.
>
> This thing should whistle Dixie, Battle Hymn of the Republic or your downloadable choice - Rain by Beatles? Have You Ever Seen the Rain Fogarty?
> Maybe Enya - Water Voices.
>
> CSK-2-F-1 or 2 –Female Control Starter Kit Contains:
> Female Control Unit, 2-Rechargeable Battery Packs, Charger, Power Adaptor, Training Video, User’s Manual
> 1 Removable Hose RHA-21B-2-F
> 2- Drainable Collection Bags 1200mL CCU-10-RU-12
> 3- IFP-16-2-2 Female Pads
> 2-FG Female Undergarments and 16 oz Bottle of cleaner (H2O2 3%)
>
> Quote good for 30 days and includes shipping = $2975 USD. (sharp inhale)
> They were extremely quick in answering my email.
>
> I know the male version has been used in gliders. Probably the nicest thing
> I can say about it is that the container is not transparent. They probably tested it enough to be assured it functions well(for the F-35. etc.). The thing that concerns me the most? Another set of batteries to charge, or get cold and fail. And there's something creepy about electrical contacts that close to me. Probably less creepy for you fellows, again.
>
> Their literature suggests that with good hygiene and peroxide, you can expect to get about five flights or fifteen days from the pads. That backs out to $100 per Aaaaahhhh, at 15 uses.
>
> This thread just won't wilt.
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Cindy B
Dave Nadler
April 5th 18, 01:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJJb_ufo8A&feature=youtu.be
I think the best option is Incontinence Pants for adults (nappies). Especially for gliders with "gynecological position" like the DG...
You stay dry.
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 8:57:05 AM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJJb_ufo8A&feature=youtu.be
LOL - 6:02 and onward - that made my day! :-)
Uli
'AS'
Steve Leonard[_2_]
April 5th 18, 03:04 PM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 8:40:42 AM UTC-5, AS wrote:
> On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 8:57:05 AM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJJb_ufo8A&feature=youtu.be
>
> LOL - 6:02 and onward - that made my day! :-)
>
> Uli
> 'AS'
Notice how clear it is. Dave is properly hydrated. Be like Dave.
Steve Leonard
son_of_flubber
April 5th 18, 04:10 PM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 8:57:05 AM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJJb_ufo8A&feature=youtu.be
Being fairly new to soaring, I've taken a fresh approach to the PP problem. What I came up with is a high velocity, large diameter duct (about 3" diameter). This eliminates the uncomfortable constriction of the external catheter at the input end. A high velocity airflow directs the effluent far away from the plane. For the beta version 1.0, the pilot needs to manually open the vent window prior to relieving. I'm planning to implement a fully automated replacement air damper for Version 1.1.
I borrowed the key technology that makes this work well from our friends in the RC community https://www.motionrc.com/products/fms-11-blade-ducted-fan-fmm64mm11b?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=31643052876&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkpfWBRDZARIsAAfeXaosYhp0NhHeFK-yTh4_Ca9NK5m_PC7G9R480JQkaMsfsAoFXKqg0XIaAtlsEALw_ wcB#qa-tab
son_of_flubber
April 5th 18, 06:22 PM
Here is my response to a skeptical email that I received.
>Who is going to cut a 3" diameter hole in their glider for the PP duct egress? Surely you jest.
I forgot to mention in my first post that the PP duct necks down to 1/2" I.D. after the ducted fan. This reduction in diameter increases the velocity of the flow so the P flies even further from the plane.
https://www.motionrc.com/products/fms-11-blade-ducted-fan-fmm64mm11b?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=31643052876&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkpfWBRDZARIsAAfeXaosYhp0NhHeFK-yTh4_Ca9NK5m_PC7G9R480JQkaMsfsAoFXKqg0XIaAtlsEALw_ wcB
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
> Here is my response to a skeptical email that I received.
>
> >Who is going to cut a 3" diameter hole in their glider for the PP duct egress? Surely you jest.
>
> I forgot to mention in my first post that the PP duct necks down to 1/2" I.D. after the ducted fan. This reduction in diameter increases the velocity of the flow so the P flies even further from the plane.
>
> https://www.motionrc.com/products/fms-11-blade-ducted-fan-fmm64mm11b?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=31643052876&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkpfWBRDZARIsAAfeXaosYhp0NhHeFK-yTh4_Ca9NK5m_PC7G9R480JQkaMsfsAoFXKqg0XIaAtlsEALw_ wcB
Son - just make sure that the rules committee or CD doesn't catch wind of your modification since it could be considered an auxiliary propulsion device! ;-)
Uli
'AS'
Richard Pfiffner[_2_]
April 5th 18, 11:37 PM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:13:08 PM UTC-7, AS wrote:
> On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > Here is my response to a skeptical email that I received.
> >
> > >Who is going to cut a 3" diameter hole in their glider for the PP duct egress? Surely you jest.
> >
> > I forgot to mention in my first post that the PP duct necks down to 1/2" I.D. after the ducted fan. This reduction in diameter increases the velocity of the flow so the P flies even further from the plane.
> >
> > https://www.motionrc.com/products/fms-11-blade-ducted-fan-fmm64mm11b?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=31643052876&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkpfWBRDZARIsAAfeXaosYhp0NhHeFK-yTh4_Ca9NK5m_PC7G9R480JQkaMsfsAoFXKqg0XIaAtlsEALw_ wcB
>
> Son - just make sure that the rules committee or CD doesn't catch wind of your modification since it could be considered an auxiliary propulsion device! ;-)
>
> Uli
> 'AS'
At Montague we use the least expensive and most reliable. A Zip Lock Bag out the window with your Phone # on it drop zone Stephen Seagal's ranch.
https://www.hgtv.com/design/celebrity/tour-steven-seagals-cattle-ranch-pictures
Richard Pfiffner[_2_]
April 6th 18, 12:30 AM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 3:37:05 PM UTC-7, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:13:08 PM UTC-7, AS wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
> > > Here is my response to a skeptical email that I received.
> > >
> > > >Who is going to cut a 3" diameter hole in their glider for the PP duct egress? Surely you jest.
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention in my first post that the PP duct necks down to 1/2" I.D. after the ducted fan. This reduction in diameter increases the velocity of the flow so the P flies even further from the plane.
> > >
> > > https://www.motionrc.com/products/fms-11-blade-ducted-fan-fmm64mm11b?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=31643052876&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkpfWBRDZARIsAAfeXaosYhp0NhHeFK-yTh4_Ca9NK5m_PC7G9R480JQkaMsfsAoFXKqg0XIaAtlsEALw_ wcB
> >
> > Son - just make sure that the rules committee or CD doesn't catch wind of your modification since it could be considered an auxiliary propulsion device! ;-)
> >
> > Uli
> > 'AS'
>
> At Montague we use the least expensive and most reliable. A Zip Lock Bag out the window with your Phone # on it drop zone Stephen Seagal's ranch.
>
> https://www.hgtv.com/design/celebrity/tour-steven-seagals-cattle-ranch-pictures
Maybe the rules committee's phone #
My friends new ASH30 has a large diameter tube that exits under the glider.
One uses another tube, that fits inside this tube, and extends well below the bottom of the glider, and is drawn back into the cockpit after use.
Its the best system ive seen.
I have a new technique for taking care of this problem. 40 years ago I had a 8 hour bladder, but as I hit 65 things changed and now I have a two hour bladder. Don't worry young bucks you will get there someday. I now use these special bags that makes urine turn into gel. I fill them up on must flights and at the end of the day just open the side vent and give it a toss overboard. Well, your probably saying something like, "where does it fall"? Good question, I pick out the last thermal of the day which is usually over some close range trailer park and let it fly. What better place to have a bag of urine drop from the heavens.
Dave Nadler
April 6th 18, 02:46 PM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 9:00:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> ... One uses another tube, that fits inside this tube, and extends well
> below the bottom of the glider, and is drawn back into the cockpit after use.
> Its the best system ive seen.
Too much fussing and mess in the cockpit!
Dan Marotta
April 6th 18, 04:18 PM
Can you post a link to the gel bags, please?Â* My source dried up (no pun
intended).
On 4/5/2018 7:39 PM, wrote:
> I have a new technique for taking care of this problem. 40 years ago I had a 8 hour bladder, but as I hit 65 things changed and now I have a two hour bladder. Don't worry young bucks you will get there someday. I now use these special bags that makes urine turn into gel. I fill them up on must flights and at the end of the day just open the side vent and give it a toss overboard. Well, your probably saying something like, "where does it fall"? Good question, I pick out the last thermal of the day which is usually over some close range trailer park and let it fly. What better place to have a bag of urine drop from the heavens.
>
--
Dan, 5J
Paul Agnew
April 6th 18, 05:13 PM
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NV878S?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
TravelJohn on Amazon is the brand I use.
Paul A.
On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-4, Paul Agnew wrote:
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NV878S?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
>
> TravelJohn on Amazon is the brand I use.
>
> Paul A.
if you need to pick them up - you can go to Auto Zone and a few other Big Box Auto supply places - also medical supply places - they are mostly sold for kids on long car rides.
They work well - I carry them any time I fly or take a passenger... ya never know
WH
I hope you are joking about that.
Dropping urine bombs on poor people is probably not the best look for our sport.
Matt
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 9:39:57 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Well, your probably saying something like, "where does it fall"? Good question, I pick out the last thermal of the day which is usually over some close range trailer park and let it fly. What better place to have a bag of urine drop from the heavens.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 6th 18, 09:02 PM
How about adding some dry drink mix (Kool-aid, whatever, something that adds color) to the new bag. Then when they land, they almost look like Jello!
;-)
Years ago, I remember at least one pilot that put his eaten apple cores in an empty ziplock bag before "filling", if they held together on landing, could look like apple juice.
I also understand about the "shrinking bladder syndrome" that happens with age. Better to find a way to empty it rather than getting dehydrated.
Dan Marotta
April 6th 18, 09:34 PM
Thanks, but that's not what I was looking for.Â* I still have a few gel
pack leg bags but I'm running out.Â* Standard urinary leg bags keep it
liquid and, though I've never had a mishap, I'd sure hate to see a 1
liter (33.81402 oz) bag break in the cockpit.
On 4/6/2018 10:13 AM, Paul Agnew wrote:
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NV878S?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
>
> TravelJohn on Amazon is the brand I use.
>
> Paul A.
--
Dan, 5J
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 6th 18, 09:45 PM
Dan, how about an online search for "gel pee bags"? I did so through Google and had a lot of hits. Maybe something is what you are looking for?
Then again, maybe you already did that and "no joy".
Have you looked up your brand? Maybe they have links to vendors?
Michael Opitz
April 6th 18, 10:15 PM
At 20:34 06 April 2018, Dan Marotta wrote:
>Thanks, but that's not what I was looking for.Â* I still have a few gel
>pack leg bags but I'm running out.Â* Standard urinary leg bags keep it
>liquid and, though I've never had a mishap, I'd sure hate to see a 1
>liter (33.81402 oz) bag break in the cockpit.
>
>On 4/6/2018 10:13 AM, Paul Agnew wrote:
>> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NV878S?
psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
>>
>> TravelJohn on Amazon is the brand I use.
>>
>> Paul A.
>
>--
>Dan, 5J
>
Go back in this thread. Someone provided a link to a source where
you can buy the powder crystals in a container. Then, you just put
a scoop of these crystals in your standard leg bag, and now it will gel
up for you. It's pretty cheap IIRC.
Hold on. I just found the link. $19.99 and free shipping with Prime
for a pound of the stuff. Diaper polymer.
https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Science-Educational-Products-
Superabsorbent/dp/B00579ROC6/ref=sr_1_3?
ie=UTF8&qid=1513886388&sr=8-3&keywords=+Sodium+Polyacrylate
RO
I use an old Platypus drinking bag. Much stronger than catheter bags and it has survived 12 years so far.
Dan Marotta
April 7th 18, 03:17 PM
Thanks Charlie.Â* I went back to my previous salesman and was told he had
left the company.Â* The company seems not interested in orders of 100,
since they sell to hospitals in large quantity.Â* I'm getting by with my
current bags but will keep an eye out.Â* The draw here is the ability to
hook up with an external catheter and, once settled into the cockpit,
relief is a non-event with no spillage.
On 4/6/2018 2:45 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Dan, how about an online search for "gel pee bags"? I did so through Google and had a lot of hits. Maybe something is what you are looking for?
>
> Then again, maybe you already did that and "no joy".
>
> Have you looked up your brand? Maybe they have links to vendors?
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
April 7th 18, 03:19 PM
I think I've got something like that on a shelf somewhere!Â* I'll take a
look.
On 4/7/2018 12:41 AM, wrote:
> I use an old Platypus drinking bag. Much stronger than catheter bags and it has survived 12 years so far.
--
Dan, 5J
Here you find a list with a few options you have:
The Post is in german, but google chrome browser translation will certainly help you with the translations:
Have a look
https://www.milvus.aero/pinkeln_im_segelflugzeug/
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 7th 18, 05:44 PM
NP......
Maybe talk to local hospitals, take their buyer out for a beer or 2, then ask to buy a small quantity for yourself at their cost plus "maybe" a small markup.
Hey, maybe it costs a few beers to get exactly what you want?
If you don't ask, you'll never know.
I still do quart sized zip baggies and toss them overboard. I should really look into an external catheter since most XC ships I fly have the rest.
I wonder how many pilots have forgotten to disconnect from the ship tubing BEFORE exiting the ship? Regardless of at home, field or emergency......
"Yep, it's 20" long..........but only 1/4" in diameter".
You metric types can convert.....but, you get the idea......
Mark Olinger
April 7th 18, 09:21 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 8:56:46 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
I use an external cath with quick connect I got from Cumulus. There are two types of the quick connects: one that has a shutoff feature and one that is a hole. I normally cath-up before going out but the type I use depends on how soon I expect to launch. I can relive through the one that has no shutoff before I takeoff if I am delayed. If I am sure I'm going right off I use the shutoff type as it virtually eliminates drips when disconnecting from either the ships system or the two liter medical bag I also use.
I always carry a gallon zip lock as a backup and once, after filling the 2 liter bag, went to that only to find it had a hole in the corner from being in the glider for too long. Made for an interesting situation. I now hang two of the 2 liter bags behind my seat. Cold weather makes one go more often and 2 liters is not enough on longer flights.
You can get the cath's and 2 liter bags at a medical supply company. They have a drain valve and I use a funnel to pour a water and bleach solution in it to wash/rinse it out. They last a good while if cared for properly.
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
April 8th 18, 01:22 AM
wrote on 4/6/2018 10:41 AM:
> I hope you are joking about that.
>
> Dropping urine bombs on poor people is probably not the best look for our sport.
>
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 9:39:57 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Well, your probably saying something like, "where does it fall"? Good question, I pick out the last thermal of the day which is usually over some close range trailer park and let it fly. What better place to have a bag of urine drop from the heavens.
And, as a glider pilot and an RV owner that uses trailer parks while on soaring
safaris, I can tell you my wife would plenty annoyed. Me, too, as I'd have to
clean it up, and hope she's still willing to travel to soaring events.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
April 8th 18, 02:51 AM
Hahahahahaha, ROTFLMAO............ sounds like a Billy Connolly skit........
Your description is right up there with getting said member caught in a zipper when rushing a bathroom break. No clue what's worse, getting it caught, or knowing you have to unzip it........
Your post was informative as well as funny. Sorry for your pain.
Dave Nadler
April 8th 18, 04:00 PM
On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 8:45:05 PM UTC-4, Roy Garden wrote:
> ...requires a tube running external from the glider
Obviously, get a Mark VIII
> ...Having read none of the instructions on how to...
Proving once again that glider pilots never, ever, ever, read the instructions...
john firth
April 8th 18, 07:47 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
Some of you will have heard of the IgNobel awards, given annually for
improbable or useless results. One year an awards was given for
"Injuries resulting from a zipper entrapped penis".
Maybe someone can contribute a followup paper.
JMF
Dave Nadler
April 8th 18, 09:17 PM
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> what are you all using... cathaters. What brand and how are they.
Use these:
https://www.vitalitymedical.com/mentor-freedom-cath-external-catheter.html?matchtype=&network=g&device=c&adposition=1o4&keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw-6bWBRBiEiwA_K1ZDcD8WydozVx2v4Wwm17N2qGnYKZKLAB8P39 8futCv17Ggsl0A86l8BoCk6kQAvD_BwE
Paul Agnew
April 8th 18, 10:12 PM
https://goo.gl/images/L9Ag8P
Don't guess on size or you'd better buy a box of rubber bands, too.
Coloplast will send you a sample pack for free, but you'd better print and cut out the sizing guide if you want the right fit.
Make sure your spousal unit is not around as you're preparing to take the measure of your man(hood) and muttering "not 25mm...not 25mm".
PA
Don't guess on size or you'd better buy a box of rubber bands, too.
You can use a string to check size. However, before strutting around thinking you are "off the scale," remember to divide by pi.
Also, some catheters use a very aggressive adhesive. I tried some silicone catheters from ZEE Medical and I thought I might die while trying to remove it. Lotta tension and grimacing while I tried to gently peel it off. I also thought I would might die of old age before all the glue residue was gone..
Finally, someone pointed out "Detachol'" which is specifically designed for the purpose. (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Detachol-Adhesive-Remover-1-2-5-oz-Screw-Top-Bottle-15-mL/382420734611?epid=1400618149&hash=item590a0d5293:g:zowAAOSwwWJauRvC)
I keep a bottle of it around with some cotton swabs.
The ZEE Medical catheters were discarded and I went back to the Freedeom Cath by Coloplast as described in a previous post.
MNLou
April 9th 18, 12:13 AM
I used the others and now prefer these -
https://www.exmed.net/p-1351-coloplast-conveen-optima-silicone-male-external-condom-catheter-standard-wear.aspx
Two reasons - 1) If you have a constriction in your system, the "accordion" at the tip gives you some time to figure out the problem before you have a wet mess and 2) They come in a shorterr "mid" length. Yea - laugh all you want but the shorter length has never failed and is much (!!) easier to remove at the end of the day.
Lou
PS - My system drains into a 4 liter collection located bag behind my seat. The collection bag is purchased from the same source and then placed in a open top waterproof bag "just in case". It saves wear and tear on the collection bag itself.
Dan Marotta
April 9th 18, 03:30 PM
Reminds me of the time a local pilot loaned me one of his (a new,
unwrapped one) and told me it was too big for him.Â* After the flight, he
asked me how I liked it.Â* I told him it was a bit snug. How could I
resist? :-D
On 4/8/2018 5:13 PM, MNLou wrote:
> I used the others and now prefer these -
>
> https://www.exmed.net/p-1351-coloplast-conveen-optima-silicone-male-external-condom-catheter-standard-wear.aspx
>
> Two reasons - 1) If you have a constriction in your system, the "accordion" at the tip gives you some time to figure out the problem before you have a wet mess and 2) They come in a shorterr "mid" length. Yea - laugh all you want but the shorter length has never failed and is much (!!) easier to remove at the end of the day.
>
> Lou
>
> PS - My system drains into a 4 liter collection located bag behind my seat. The collection bag is purchased from the same source and then placed in a open top waterproof bag "just in case". It saves wear and tear on the collection bag itself.
--
Dan, 5J
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Ok guys, this has probably been covered in older posts but what are you all using regarding urinary relief on long flights? Ive used gallon ziplock bags in the past but whats your experience with cathaters. What brand and how are they.
Look Guys, do not inflate your ego by going a size too big, all it will do is make a big stain on your pants. use the right size, and if you contract to a small weenie then adjust the size not your ego. I use the Anaconda version, no rubber bands needed. Also drain into the gel pack and always make the bombing run over the trailer park. Remember to get the Care Bag, Urinal Masculin, male urinal bags they fall right from the sky. Bob
WB
April 10th 18, 04:53 AM
On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 7:36:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Look Guys, do not inflate your ego by going a size too big, all it will do is make a big stain on your pants. use the right size, and if you contract to a small weenie then adjust the size not your ego. I use the Anaconda version, no rubber bands needed. Also drain into the gel pack and always make the bombing run over the trailer park. Remember to get the Care Bag, Urinal Masculin, male urinal bags they fall right from the sky. Bob
I think it was in Mike Collin's (Apollo 11 Command Module pilot) book "Carry the Fire" where he relates the story of NASA's first experience with condom catheters. They came in boxes marked "small", "medium", and "large". You can guess where that went with a bunch of test pilot astronauts. They solved the problem by relabeling the boxes "large", extra-large", and "humongous".
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 10th 18, 04:04 PM
On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 6:39:57 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> I have a new technique for taking care of this problem. 40 years ago I had a 8 hour bladder, but as I hit 65 things changed and now I have a two hour bladder. Don't worry young bucks you will get there someday. I now use these special bags that makes urine turn into gel. I fill them up on must flights and at the end of the day just open the side vent and give it a toss overboard. Well, your probably saying something like, "where does it fall"? Good question, I pick out the last thermal of the day which is usually over some close range trailer park and let it fly. What better place to have a bag of urine drop from the heavens.
Besides just being rude to our fellow man, glider pilots are so few in numbers we just should not be trying to alienate ourselves from the public. A little good will goes a long way.
JS[_5_]
April 10th 18, 04:56 PM
I managed to procure some brass fittings for pee tubes from a friend:
Trombone mouthpieces. Brass (especially trumpet) players usually have a collection of mouthpieces like Imelda Marcos' shoes.
Perhaps tuba mouthpieces might be a better fit, but it's hard to catch a tuba player when he isn't at his day job. "You want fries with that?"
Of course my friend enjoyed the intended use of his old mouthpieces. If you want a laugh, hang around with the horn section.
Jim
Dave Nadler
April 10th 18, 07:12 PM
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> ... pee tubes ... Trombone mouthpieces
Nice cold chunk of metal - excellent.
Mind the corrosion.
Hope it doesn't freeze...
AS
April 10th 18, 07:21 PM
> Trombone mouthpieces. Brass (especially trumpet) players usually have a collection of mouthpieces like Imelda Marcos' shoes.
> Perhaps tuba mouthpieces might be a better fit ...
Maybe he can loan you a few of them until you found the right fit? ;-)
Uli
'AS'
JS[_5_]
April 10th 18, 10:31 PM
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:12:59 AM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> > ... pee tubes ... Trombone mouthpieces
>
> Nice cold chunk of metal - excellent.
> Mind the corrosion.
> Hope it doesn't freeze...
Perhaps I should have put a smiley face in the last message?
But here is the secret evidence! The inspiration as delivered with QV, and the new jazzy version.
Hoping to have the brass ones in the Duo when I take the fellow who donated them for a ride, if just for a laugh.
Unfortunately the venturi in a trombone mouthpiece prevents the pictured PE tubing from being inserted. Time to break out the drill and Dremel.
Jim
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8z545he2osy8hje/AAClRp1dx45LLC7oGJH0a43La?dl=0
Ben Coleman
April 12th 18, 04:09 AM
On Wednesday, 11 April 2018 07:31:22 UTC+10, JS wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:12:59 AM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> > > ... pee tubes ... Trombone mouthpieces
> >
> > Nice cold chunk of metal - excellent.
> > Mind the corrosion.
> > Hope it doesn't freeze...
>
> Perhaps I should have put a smiley face in the last message?
> But here is the secret evidence! The inspiration as delivered with QV, and the new jazzy version.
> Hoping to have the brass ones in the Duo when I take the fellow who donated them for a ride, if just for a laugh.
> Unfortunately the venturi in a trombone mouthpiece prevents the pictured PE tubing from being inserted. Time to break out the drill and Dremel.
> Jim
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8z545he2osy8hje/AAClRp1dx45LLC7oGJH0a43La?dl=0
Guys at our club use a bulb from a rectal syringe with a hole cut in the side to suit the person. Better to pretend you need a flush than try to explain the intended use to the pharmacist.
https://www.amazon.com/Rectal-Enema-Syringe-Gentle-Cleansing/dp/B00VEB5WUM
I can't use it in my current glider (not enough room) and have moved to external catheters, loving the hands free operation.
Cheers Ben
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