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Seminole Lake Gliderport had another accident. From what the pictures look like, the left wing of their Blanik L-23 was demolished from mid wing where it bent the leading edge all the way back to the spar.
Not sure what to make of this, if it will be covered up, or will there be an NTSB report. Probably more money wired from the offshore accounts will keep the operation afloat while they are down a glider.
I sure hope everyone is ok from the accident. Anyone have details of the specifics?
KEN
January 1st 18, 09:19 PM
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 3:43:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Seminole Lake Gliderport had another accident. From what the pictures look like, the left wing of their Blanik L-23 was demolished from mid wing where it bent the leading edge all the way back to the spar.
>
> Not sure what to make of this, if it will be covered up, or will there be an NTSB report. Probably more money wired from the offshore accounts will keep the operation afloat while they are down a glider.
>
> I sure hope everyone is ok from the accident. Anyone have details of the specifics?
The only cover up is who you really are
Tom Kelley #711
January 1st 18, 10:01 PM
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Seminole Lake Gliderport had another accident. From what the pictures look like, the left wing of their Blanik L-23 was demolished from mid wing where it bent the leading edge all the way back to the spar.
>
> Not sure what to make of this, if it will be covered up, or will there be an NTSB report. Probably more money wired from the offshore accounts will keep the operation afloat while they are down a glider.
>
> I sure hope everyone is ok from the accident. Anyone have details of the specifics?
Here's the report from "Kathryn's report":
Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Orlando, Florida
Glider on landing, overly corrected final approach, veered off the runway, crashed into hangar.
Seminole Flying and Soaring Inc: http://registry.faa.gov/N389BA
Date: 23-DEC-17
Time: 15:00:00Z
Regis#: N389BA
Aircraft Make: LET
Aircraft Model: L 23 SUPER BLANIK
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: NONE
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
Activity: UNKNOWN
Flight Phase: APPROACH (APR)
Operation: 91
City: GROVELAND
State: FLORIDA
Glider veered off runway during landing on runway 18 and impacted a hangar.
Best. Tom #711.
Kevin Christner
January 1st 18, 10:10 PM
We already know it’s Sean/Wilbur. While he’s normally pretty good at keeping aliases separate in different threads, asw20 became a Sean/Wilbur ditto head in the US team rankings thread.
It’s a miracle to crash into a hangar and have no injuries. Truly a miracle.
Are there any 2 seat gliders remaining that are available for rent? Or have they all been destroyed?
"I've got it....... no I've got it.......CRASH..........no I wasn't PIC.......no the other guy was flying.......no you were..."
AS
January 1st 18, 10:57 PM
>
> Here's the report from "Kathryn's report":
>
>
> Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Orlando, Florida
>
> Glider on landing, overly corrected final approach, veered off the runway, crashed into hangar.
>
> Seminole Flying and Soaring Inc: http://registry.faa.gov/N389BA
>
> Date: 23-DEC-17
> Time: 15:00:00Z
> Regis#: N389BA
> Aircraft Make: LET
> Aircraft Model: L 23 SUPER BLANIK
> Event Type: ACCIDENT
> Highest Injury: NONE
> Aircraft Missing: No
> Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
> Activity: UNKNOWN
> Flight Phase: APPROACH (APR)
> Operation: 91
> City: GROVELAND
>
> State: FLORIDA
>
> Glider veered off runway during landing on runway 18 and impacted a hangar.
>
> Best. Tom #711.
There has to be more to that story. Never flown at Seminole Lake but looking at Google Earth. Landing on rwy18, the hangars are on the right. How does one nick the left wing by veering off the runway? Just curious.
Uli
'AS'
WB
January 2nd 18, 02:15 AM
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 4:57:30 PM UTC-6, AS wrote:
> >
> > Here's the report from "Kathryn's report":
> >
> >
> > Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Orlando, Florida
> >
> > Glider on landing, overly corrected final approach, veered off the runway, crashed into hangar.
> >
> > Seminole Flying and Soaring Inc: http://registry.faa.gov/N389BA
> >
> > Date: 23-DEC-17
> > Time: 15:00:00Z
> > Regis#: N389BA
> > Aircraft Make: LET
> > Aircraft Model: L 23 SUPER BLANIK
> > Event Type: ACCIDENT
> > Highest Injury: NONE
> > Aircraft Missing: No
> > Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
> > Activity: UNKNOWN
> > Flight Phase: APPROACH (APR)
> > Operation: 91
> > City: GROVELAND
> >
> > State: FLORIDA
> >
> > Glider veered off runway during landing on runway 18 and impacted a hangar.
> >
> > Best. Tom #711.
>
> There has to be more to that story. Never flown at Seminole Lake but looking at Google Earth. Landing on rwy18, the hangars are on the right. How does one nick the left wing by veering off the runway? Just curious.
>
> Uli
> 'AS'
L-23's will spin like a top when ground looped. An L-23 was landed long/hot at our field and was ground looped in the effort to avoid running up the back of another L-23 staged on the runway (don't ask). The L-23 in motion actually ended up crashing into the other L-23 from the SIDE while on it's SECOND rotation! Totalled both of them. Luckily no injuries.
AS
January 2nd 18, 02:58 AM
>
> L-23's will spin like a top when ground looped. An L-23 was landed long/hot at our field and was ground looped in the effort to avoid running up the back of another L-23 staged on the runway (don't ask). The L-23 in motion actually ended up crashing into the other L-23 from the SIDE while on it's SECOND rotation! Totalled both of them. Luckily no injuries.
Where's the camera when you need one! Would have loved to see that cluster-f... on YouTube!
Uli
'AS'
Rich Owen[_2_]
January 2nd 18, 03:04 PM
Uli,
The pilot over corrected a line up issue on the 200 ft wide runway. Wind was below 5 mph out of the southwest. The aircraft was moving to the right fairly rapidly and the right wing contacted the hangar which spun the glider around 180 degrees. The left wing then contacted a support post in the same hangar. The FAA has concluded their investigation and a report was sent to the NTSB. Thought the New Year would finally be the year where people looked at the good in the world and not shouting from the pulpits behind anonymous cloaks of invisibility.
Steve Leonard[_2_]
January 2nd 18, 04:34 PM
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:43:03 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Seminole Lake Gliderport had another accident. From what the pictures look like, the left wing of their Blanik L-23 was demolished from mid wing where it bent the leading edge all the way back to the spar.
>
> Not sure what to make of this, if it will be covered up, or will there be an NTSB report. Probably more money wired from the offshore accounts will keep the operation afloat while they are down a glider.
>
> I sure hope everyone is ok from the accident. Anyone have details of the specifics?
If you look on the FAA website, you will see that this has been investigated, and a report will be issued. In fact, the FAA entered it into the system twice. Once on the 26th, and again on the 29th.
http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:93:0::NO:::
This is the link to the FAA Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing (ASIAS) page. If you are concerned that any future accident or incident you hear about might just be "brushed under the rug", you might look there to see what is going on before pointing fingers. This information was available 5 days before your post.
Best to you in the new year,
Steve Leonard
Retting
January 2nd 18, 04:52 PM
As a teen absorbing everything I could about soaring, George Moffat became a hero of mine. Years later, after lying to the owner of SLG (Knut) to fly in my first contest (2003 Seniors), we had adjoining rooms and I invited him to join my wife and I for dinner after a practice day. He accepted to my delight because later he would give a complete detailed account of......completing his return to earth by crashing into and remaining in a tree some 20' above the ground while on final approach. He struck lt off as an 'incompetent bad break'. Later , in between writing boring English literature (sorry George!), he would become 2 time World Champion .
My point is how is the pilot doing who suffered the accident? Rich, tell the pilot to pay the bill, wipe off the dust, and get back in the cockpit. If a World Champion and many others had to crash to get better, well hell it's part aviation. Any landing you and observers can walk away from is a good landing, right?
Accidents happen, but embarrassment lingers. Encouragement is our duty.
R
Steve Koerner
January 2nd 18, 05:43 PM
Yes, but with some careful judgement in between as to those who ought be encouraged after an accident and those who should not be. Not everyone makes a good pilot.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:52:29 AM UTC-7, Retting wrote:
> As a teen absorbing everything I could about soaring, George Moffat became a hero of mine. Years later, after lying to the owner of SLG (Knut) to fly in my first contest (2003 Seniors), we had adjoining rooms and I invited him to join my wife and I for dinner after a practice day. He accepted to my delight because later he would give a complete detailed account of.......completing his return to earth by crashing into and remaining in a tree some 20' above the ground while on final approach. He struck lt off as an 'incompetent bad break'. Later , in between writing boring English literature (sorry George!), he would become 2 time World Champion .
> My point is how is the pilot doing who suffered the accident? Rich, tell the pilot to pay the bill, wipe off the dust, and get back in the cockpit. If a World Champion and many others had to crash to get better, well hell it's part aviation. Any landing you and observers can walk away from is a good landing, right?
> Accidents happen, but embarrassment lingers. Encouragement is our duty.
>
> R
AS
January 2nd 18, 06:10 PM
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:04:54 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> Uli,
>
> The pilot over corrected a line up issue on the 200 ft wide runway. Wind was below 5 mph out of the southwest. The aircraft was moving to the right fairly rapidly and the right wing contacted the hangar which spun the glider around 180 degrees. The left wing then contacted a support post in the same hangar. The FAA has concluded their investigation and a report was sent to the NTSB. Thought the New Year would finally be the year where people looked at the good in the world and not shouting from the pulpits behind anonymous cloaks of invisibility.
Rich,
Happy New Year to you, too.
Thanks for the enlightenment! You are completely missing the point of my comment. In my paying job as well as in the function I hold in our club, I am always interested in answering the 'how did that happen?' question!
Did I judge the ability or performance of the pilot? Did I say anything negative about him/her? As I stated initially, there had to be more to that story since things didn't add up from the info that was provided and there was. Now it makes sense. There is no anonymous cloak of invisibility here; I am using my real name and not some made-up junk. Accidents/incidents like this need to be discussed as a learning opportunity; nothing more, nothing less!
Uli
'AS'
Retting
January 2nd 18, 07:29 PM
Rich was not referring to you Uli, calm down.
Eat a cookie.
R
WB
January 2nd 18, 10:14 PM
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:10:38 PM UTC-6, AS wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:04:54 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > Uli,
> >
> > The pilot over corrected a line up issue on the 200 ft wide runway. Wind was below 5 mph out of the southwest. The aircraft was moving to the right fairly rapidly and the right wing contacted the hangar which spun the glider around 180 degrees. The left wing then contacted a support post in the same hangar. The FAA has concluded their investigation and a report was sent to the NTSB. Thought the New Year would finally be the year where people looked at the good in the world and not shouting from the pulpits behind anonymous cloaks of invisibility.
>
> Rich,
> Happy New Year to you, too.
> Thanks for the enlightenment! You are completely missing the point of my comment. In my paying job as well as in the function I hold in our club, I am always interested in answering the 'how did that happen?' question!
> Did I judge the ability or performance of the pilot? Did I say anything negative about him/her? As I stated initially, there had to be more to that story since things didn't add up from the info that was provided and there was. Now it makes sense. There is no anonymous cloak of invisibility here; I am using my real name and not some made-up junk. Accidents/incidents like this need to be discussed as a learning opportunity; nothing more, nothing less!
> Uli
> 'AS'
Hi Uli,
Rich's comment about anonymous posting was referring to the anonymous poster " who started off the thread.
AS
January 3rd 18, 01:34 AM
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:14:52 PM UTC-5, WB wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:10:38 PM UTC-6, AS wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:04:54 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > Uli,
> > >
> > > The pilot over corrected a line up issue on the 200 ft wide runway. Wind was below 5 mph out of the southwest. The aircraft was moving to the right fairly rapidly and the right wing contacted the hangar which spun the glider around 180 degrees. The left wing then contacted a support post in the same hangar. The FAA has concluded their investigation and a report was sent to the NTSB. Thought the New Year would finally be the year where people looked at the good in the world and not shouting from the pulpits behind anonymous cloaks of invisibility.
> >
> > Rich,
> > Happy New Year to you, too.
> > Thanks for the enlightenment! You are completely missing the point of my comment. In my paying job as well as in the function I hold in our club, I am always interested in answering the 'how did that happen?' question!
> > Did I judge the ability or performance of the pilot? Did I say anything negative about him/her? As I stated initially, there had to be more to that story since things didn't add up from the info that was provided and there was. Now it makes sense. There is no anonymous cloak of invisibility here; I am using my real name and not some made-up junk. Accidents/incidents like this need to be discussed as a learning opportunity; nothing more, nothing less!
> > Uli
> > 'AS'
>
> Hi Uli,
>
> Rich's comment about anonymous posting was referring to the anonymous poster " who started off the thread.
Ahh - got it! Going for another cookie ....
Uli
Rich Owen[_2_]
January 3rd 18, 11:59 AM
You,
Still I apologize because my unfortunate lapse of civility was misinterpreted. Yes I was talking about ASW-20. I have enjoyed my relationships in the glider community. Flying and sometimes racing sailplanes brings me a lot of joy. Even if some non glider pilots want to throw mud. The act of flying doesn’t necessarily make you a pilot. BTW, the young pilot who did have the accident is continuing with their training. They are very determined and we feel certain a rating is in the near future.
Sincerely,
Rich
flgliderpilot[_2_]
January 3rd 18, 03:35 PM
Sounds to me like another case of a student grabbing the trim instead of the brake when trying to "park" the glider off the side of the runway.
Witnessed a japanese student do this and hit the gazebo and trees destroying the last blanik.
I guess there isn't going to be anything left for me to fly over there since the grob will always be in use.
ND
January 3rd 18, 05:01 PM
On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 3:43:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Seminole Lake Gliderport had another accident. From what the pictures look like, the left wing of their Blanik L-23 was demolished from mid wing where it bent the leading edge all the way back to the spar.
>
> Not sure what to make of this, if it will be covered up, or will there be an NTSB report. Probably more money wired from the offshore accounts will keep the operation afloat while they are down a glider.
>
> I sure hope everyone is ok from the accident. Anyone have details of the specifics?
use a different fake email. you are not worthy of the ASW20.
Dave Nadler
January 3rd 18, 05:45 PM
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 6:59:22 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> ...the young pilot who did have the accident is continuing with their training.
And will never again be permitted to participate in hangar flying.
George Haeh
January 3rd 18, 06:18 PM
>On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 6:59:22 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
>> ...the young pilot who did have the accident is continuing with their
>training.
>
I know at least three instructors who wrote off a glider while training.
I do remember an outlanding in an L-33 (the second time I flew it) where I
spent
more time than I should have figuring out how to use the brake.
"...he will never be allowed any more hanger flying..."
LOL, now that's a good one I'll remember.
Dan
Tony[_5_]
January 3rd 18, 07:59 PM
Dave you owe me a new keyboard...
AS
January 4th 18, 03:07 AM
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 6:59:22 AM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> You,
>
> Still I apologize because my unfortunate lapse of civility was misinterpreted. Yes I was talking about ASW-20. I have enjoyed my relationships in the glider community. Flying and sometimes racing sailplanes brings me a lot of joy. Even if some non glider pilots want to throw mud. The act of flying doesn’t necessarily make you a pilot. BTW, the young pilot who did have the accident is continuing with their training. They are very determined and we feel certain a rating is in the near future.
> Sincerely,
> Rich
No worries, Rich - we're good!
Uli
'AS'
Haven
January 5th 18, 03:21 PM
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 8:52:29 AM UTC-8, Retting wrote:
> As a teen absorbing everything I could about soaring, George Moffat became a hero of mine. Years later, after lying to the owner of SLG (Knut) to fly in my first contest (2003 Seniors), we had adjoining rooms and I invited him to join my wife and I for dinner after a practice day. He accepted to my delight because later he would give a complete detailed account of.......completing his return to earth by crashing into and remaining in a tree some 20' above the ground while on final approach. He struck lt off as an 'incompetent bad break'. Later , in between writing boring English literature (sorry George!), he would become 2 time World Champion .
> My point is how is the pilot doing who suffered the accident? Rich, tell the pilot to pay the bill, wipe off the dust, and get back in the cockpit. If a World Champion and many others had to crash to get better, well hell it's part aviation. Any landing you and observers can walk away from is a good landing, right?
> Accidents happen, but embarrassment lingers. Encouragement is our duty.
>
> R
Thanks for posting this comment. "A man who never made a mistake never did anything"! "Live and learn". H...
All I think it is safe to say that Seminole has an abundance of support and enthusiasm, coupled with great people that run the place. 2018 IS going to be a great year. Rich I got your back and I am weapons free!
CM
Colin Mead
Hey you guys familiar with seminole, whats the current rate for a 2k tow? And do they require Flarm or any other anti collision electronics to get a tow there?
Thanks
Rich Owen[_2_]
January 6th 18, 01:43 PM
Tows to 2K are $45 and we do not require FLARM to fly at our site. However, most of the newer ships to the gliderport are equipped with FLARM. We encourage the installation of this equipment in your ship and have several pilots on the field that can help you with that process.
Happy New Year and a safe soaring season,
Rich Owen
Thanks Rich, we will make trip and come visit you folks.
As for helping with Flarm instalation, if one of your guys will send me a check, I would greatfully install one lol.
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