Sport Pilot has left the OMB building.

[Juan Jimenez]

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[Richard Lamb]

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is that good news, or bad?

[G EddieA95]

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And what is eom?????

[Rob Turk]

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[Blueskies]

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http://www.sportpilot.org/news/040713_sportpilot.html

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Dan D.
http://www.ameritech.net/users/ddevillers/start.html


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[Cy Galley]

I though it was -30-

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Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
EAA Sport Pilot

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[Dillon Pyron]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:39:47 GMT, Richard Lamb >
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>Juan Jimenez wrote:
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Yeah, did it go to the printer or the recycler?

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

[JohnT.]

Its good news. Its expected to be published in the federal register "in
a few days". It's gonna be probably THE topic at Oshkosh next week. As
soon as its published in the FR, we'll find out the details.

Hopefully it was accepted as proposed at a minimum (esp. the drivers
license medical), and maybe better (slightly higher gross weights to
include small production aircraft like 150/152's).

However, IMHO, if the drivers license medical isn't there, or is so
restricted in someway to make it worthless, then its a complete waste.

John

[Richard Lamb]

Well, looks like it's happening...

I've suddenly received a lot of inquiries about WHEN I'm going to put
the Texas Parasol into kit production. While the idea is tempting,
the amount of overhead involved in something like that (and the depth
of pockets required) is to me still prohibitive.

But as a plans built project, I think it will still qualify - easily.

I'm thinking that a plans project would qualify for LSA if the design
meets the LSA performance limits, and complies with the requirements
for an experimental airworthness certificate.

Refering back to the FAA's 'Amateur Built Aircraft Reference Material'
book, the guidelines are well defined.

There is a long check list that is used to determine of the project
would be eligible. This is the so called 51% rule - detailed in black
and white.

There is no mention of how complete the kit should be - materials or
parts wise - just the amount of labor required by the builder.



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The following was clipped from the www.sportpilot.org web page.
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The FAA currently issues two major types of airworthiness
certificates-
standard and special.

The special airworthiness certificate includes six categories-primary,
restricted,
limited, provisional, special flight permits, and experimental. We
propose to add
a seventh category of special airworthiness certificate-light-sport. You
could use
aircraft issued a special light-sport airworthiness certificate for
sport and
recreation, flight training, or rental.

The special airworthiness certificate would ensure that aircraft used
for these
purposes are designed and manufactured to an identified standard. The
FAA would
exclude gyroplanes for this certificate.

The FAA currently issues special experimental certificates for eight
purposes.
We propose to add a new purpose-to operate light-sport aircraft-for
issuing an
experimental certificate.

There would be three ways to get an experimental certificate for the
purpose
of operating light-sport aircraft. First, if you operate a light-sport
aircraft
that does not meet the existing definition of ultralight vehicle in 14
CFR 103.1,
you would have to apply for an experimental airworthiness certificate
for your
aircraft under this provision. You would have to apply to register your
aircraft
not later than 24 months after the effective date of the final rule. You
would
then have your aircraft inspected and an airworthiness certificate
issued not
later than 36 months after the effective date of the final rule. You
could use
aircraft with an airworthiness certificate issued for this experimental
purpose
for sport and recreation, and flight training. For a period of 3 years
after the
effective date if the final rule, you could operate these aircraft for
compensation
or hire, while conducting flight training.

Second, you could get an experimental airworthiness certificate for
an aircraft
you assembled from an eligible kit. You could use these aircraft only
for sport and
recreation, and flight training.

And finally, you could get an experimental airworthiness certificate
to operate
a light-sport aircraft if it previously had been issued a special,
light-sport aircraft
airworthiness certificate and you do not want to comply with the
operating limitations
associated with a special light-sport certificate. For example, you
could do this if
you wanted to alter the aircraft without the manufacturer's
authorization, or you
choose not to comply with the mandatory safety-of-flight actions.
You could use these aircraft only for sport and recreation, and flight
training.

[Tony Spicer]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
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> What about the top speed limitation? That's going to be impossible to
> enforce. It will split between underpowered airplanes, and people who
> lie. It would have been so much simpler if they had just stuck to a
> max wing loading spec. (not that you'll have a problem with the top
> speed, but many, like the Sonex, will)

Here's the Sonex info. Looks like it will do just fine:

http://www.sonex-ltd.com/press_release_010401.html

[Gilan]

Sport Pilot rule to be published soon.
Time to join the Sport Aircraft group

--
Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/

[Gilan]

A 10:30 Signing press release is planned for Washington DC. Three light
Sport Aircraft will be outside the building and Blakey will sign and answer
some questions.

We hope to make it driving all night.

Jim Stephenson

--
Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/

[Juan Jimenez]

"Gilan" > wrote in
nk.net:

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> A 10:30 Signing press release is planned for Washington DC. Three
> light Sport Aircraft will be outside the building and Blakey will sign
> and answer some questions.
>
> We hope to make it driving all night.
>
> Jim Stephenson
>

Pay close attention to the rule when it comes out tomorrow morning.

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22910306-1734-4b3f-b232-
e938f057723f&

The very strong sources are saying that the FAA has added wording to the
rule that would disallow the use of driver's licenses in lieu of third
class medicals if you have had your medical suspended or revoked, which is
what happens when you have to get a special issuance medical. If this is
true, it means that the masses of people who were hoping to fly without
having to spend oodles of money and go through the frustration of dealing
with the black hole of Oklahoma are out of luck, and a major feature of
Sport Pilot will be dead in the water. IOW, it may wind up as another Rec
Pilot Certificate mess.

I sure hope this is not the case, but the sources have so far confirmed.

I REALLY hope this is not the case and if I am wrong, HALLELUJAH. But if I
am right, there are going to be a LOT of people angry at the FAA for
pulling this last minute surprise change to the rule.

[Dude]

Typical government goo. If you have a condition that you know is a flight
health issue and are prepared to deal with it, then you cannot fly. If you
have the same condition, but do not have the training to know the risks or
special precautions - Go right ahead!

Brilliant.


"Juan Jimenez" > wrote in message
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> "Gilan" > wrote in
> nk.net:
>
> >
> > A 10:30 Signing press release is planned for Washington DC. Three
> > light Sport Aircraft will be outside the building and Blakey will sign
> > and answer some questions.
> >
> > We hope to make it driving all night.
> >
> > Jim Stephenson
> >
>
> Pay close attention to the rule when it comes out tomorrow morning.
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22910306-1734-4b3f-b232-
> e938f057723f&
>
> The very strong sources are saying that the FAA has added wording to the
> rule that would disallow the use of driver's licenses in lieu of third
> class medicals if you have had your medical suspended or revoked, which is
> what happens when you have to get a special issuance medical. If this is
> true, it means that the masses of people who were hoping to fly without
> having to spend oodles of money and go through the frustration of dealing
> with the black hole of Oklahoma are out of luck, and a major feature of
> Sport Pilot will be dead in the water. IOW, it may wind up as another Rec
> Pilot Certificate mess.
>
> I sure hope this is not the case, but the sources have so far confirmed.
>
> I REALLY hope this is not the case and if I am wrong, HALLELUJAH. But if I
> am right, there are going to be a LOT of people angry at the FAA for
> pulling this last minute surprise change to the rule.
>

[Bobby Ball]

In article >, Juan Jimenez says...
>
>Pay close attention to the rule when it comes out tomorrow morning.
>
>http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=22910306-1734-4b3f-b232-
>e938f057723f&
>
>The very strong sources are saying that the FAA has added wording to the
>rule that would disallow the use of driver's licenses in lieu of third
>class medicals if you have had your medical suspended or revoked, which is
>what happens when you have to get a special issuance medical. If this is
>true, it means that the masses of people who were hoping to fly without
>having to spend oodles of money and go through the frustration of dealing
>with the black hole of Oklahoma are out of luck, and a major feature of
>Sport Pilot will be dead in the water. IOW, it may wind up as another Rec
>Pilot Certificate mess.
>
>I sure hope this is not the case, but the sources have so far confirmed.
>
>I REALLY hope this is not the case and if I am wrong, HALLELUJAH. But if I
>am right, there are going to be a LOT of people angry at the FAA for
>pulling this last minute surprise change to the rule.

That's the Zoom Campbell clause. That way if they pull someone's medical
because he's a fruitcake, he can't tell them to go jump and fly on his DL.

So if someone starts making wild claims about how people are sending him threats
and he's flying all over the world on secret missions, FAA can ground him. THEN
if he flies, it's a crime and they can escalate. They're hoping to avoid
another Charles Bishop.

[Juan Jimenez]

Bobby Ball > wrote in
:

> That's the Zoom Campbell clause. That way if they pull someone's
> medical because he's a fruitcake, he can't tell them to go jump and
> fly on his DL.
>
> So if someone starts making wild claims about how people are sending
> him threats and he's flying all over the world on secret missions, FAA
> can ground him. THEN if he flies, it's a crime and they can escalate.
> They're hoping to avoid another Charles Bishop.

There's only one word that can be used to describe this post: Clueless.

Go read ANN today. We were correct, our sources were accurate. If you have
a special issuance medical (which implies that your regular medical was
denied, suspended or revoked), you're screwed, you cannot use the driver's
license to fly. That means that this (from EAA's sportpilot.org site):

> I understand this proposal includes a simplified medical certification
> process. How will this work?

> Another major benefit of the proposal is that a valid U.S. driver's
> license or a valid third-class medical will satisfy physical eligibility
> requirements for this pilot certificate. This will enable many inactive
> pilots to fly again by eliminating the need for them to undergo expensive
> testing in order to maintain a third-class medical. It will also reduce
> the barriers to new enthusiasts who wish to become a pilot, while still
> providing responsible medical oversight.

....is not going to happen, and that means that thousands of pilots who quit
flying (but are still driving) because they could not afford the expense of
the things the FAA required them to issue the third class, or because they
got sick and tired of the prolonged delays and backlogs and the incompetent
AME's who don't have a clue how to deal with special issuances, will not be
able to fly LSA's with DLs. And that sucks, because not everyone can afford
to spend thousands of dollars every year just for the privilege of putt
putting around the field in something more substantial than an ultralight.

Juan