What a race in Chile today!!!

[[email protected]]

Kawa in 1st. Two JS-1s, then a V2, then a V3. All within 5 seconds, identical avg speed for all four!!!

[Michael Opitz]

At 21:35 17 January 2018, wrote:
>Kawa in 1st. Two JS-1s, then a V2, then a V3. All within 5 seconds,
>identical avg speed for all four!!!
>
Looks like Tilo was second in a V3 to me...

RO

[[email protected]]

You’re right. It changed. Maybe penalty points.

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 4:29:58 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> You’re right. It changed. Maybe penalty points.

...and a tie for third, Andres Beeche and Bostjan Pristavec. Was there ever a tie for getting on the podium in Grand Prix racing?

[Tony[_5_]]

caught the last 30km or so on the live tracking. Very fun to watch. Tilo went a little deeper into the steering turn and Kawa passed him in the last 3 km. Everything was bunching up tight at the end. Had to have been quite a thrill in the cockpit.

[[email protected]]

Meanwhile in America, the SSA is promoting crazy MAT’s and boring TAT’s with 30 mile radius’s. Nobody knows who wins the day which flew different directions at different times of the day until they are compared via a computer formula and posted hours later.

So anticlimactic and boring!!

It is time for the USA to wake up and join in with the rest of the world. Grand Prix is the future of soaring! It is time for you to quit following the lousy traditions that are in sync with a cult religious like following of which does nothing but lower attendance to the sport year after year.

To the O.P. - yes, absolutely a thrilling race! It was truly enjoyable for the experienced soaring pilot and the first time spectator alike!

[Michael Opitz]

At 22:29 17 January 2018, wrote:
>You=E2=80=99re right. It changed. Maybe penalty points.
>
No penalty points. I also watched the last ~70Km live. Tilo
had the lead, but went for (closer towards) the center of the last
steering turn, thus giving Kawa the chance to cut him off by just
nipping the left side of that steering turn circle. Kawa caught and
passed Tilo right there, and after that it was Tilo just trying to catch
up again all the way to the finish. It was Tilo's error on that
steering turn that gave Kawa the win on this one..

RO

[Paul Agnew]

Watching the last 100km and the ti-the-wire finish was very exciting. Having the commentary from a local really added to the quality of the coverage.

Paul A.

[[email protected]]

I'm not sure why Wilbur thinks the SSA ultimately won't embrace SGP. I cant speak for the RC but I know a lot of top competition pilots who've come to like SGP and there's even talk of testing and sanctioning a Formula 1.0 type race in 2019, maybe here in Michigan or Kansas. Hell, if I had an 18m ship I'd be flying 2018 SGP Orlando too. Btw, a significant portion of SSA sanction fees largely go towards supporting the Junior Contest Rebate Program and other Junior initiatives. I can't speak to why SGP Ionia wasnt sanctioned but I don't believe there's any grand conspiracy against SGP in the USA.. Presently 3 of the SSA's Board Members are registered to fly in 2018 SGP Orlando I believe. I would think they might support an effort to sanction and promote SGP racing in the U.S. in an effort to grow the sport and offer more opportunities for people to compete. Food for thought. As for the SGP Finals, I'm glad Tom Kelley has gone down to Chile to represent the USA. Maybe in future years others will go too and someday we'll be competitive in the format. I wish 7T had been able to go to Chile. I know he would have given it his very best and I suspect would have been competitive had he gone. Mountain flying is not easy though. It would be nice to see a younger breed of pilots with extensive Mtn and Ridge flying experience pursue a SGP title.

- Chris Schrader

[[email protected]]

What ULR are you using to watch it with commentary?

WH

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W dniu czwartek, 18 stycznia 2018 13:49:56 UTC+1 użytkownik napisał:
> What ULR are you using to watch it with commentary?
>
> WH

Try find here at 17.30 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCng3YJrjG5NguDfmac2Fciw

The last race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14fQHVQc3OQ

[John Cochrane[_3_]]

RC put a grand prix style option into the rules for several years. Nobody used it, so it got dropped in a general clean up. No conspiracy.

The option was "last start time," which allows a CD to say all starts after, say 1:30 PM are scored at 1:30. This allows pilots who don't want to play to leave a little early, or any pilot who is in good position and doesn't want to wait another three minutes to leave. As in the SGP, you can also leave late, but it doesn't do you any good. Then fly by US rules. That includes AT if you want it. But it also allows a CD running a grand prix in a regional, with a variety of gliders, to assign a turn area task and handicap. Not every regional can field a fleet of JS3 and Ventus 3 exclusively!

I suppose wilbur will not be happy until every SGP in the us follows every detail of IGC rules, but this seems to me like a good way to introduce SGP style racing into US contests in a way that preserves participation and recognizes the variety of gliders we have. I think it's a good bet that if any contest wants to use this format the RC would quickly grant a waiver, as the provision was already in the rules for many years.

I note that IGC rules include minimum altitudes at steering turns and finish, and none of this light graduated penalty business for blowing it. Maybe they have a good idea there!

John Cochrane

[[email protected]]

Dear John, let me paraphrase what you wrote:

“RC put a grand prix style option into the rules for several years. Nobody used it, so it got dropped in a general clean up. No conspiracy.”

-The RC created their own set of rules to the increasingly popular game of Sailplane Grand Prix to be different from the rest of the world. One that allows pilots to enter but not really compete. It wasn’t popular, we failed and still reluctant to use standard IGC rules, due to cult religion unwritten rules of the SSA.



Nobody said there was any conspiracy! This is clearly a disregard to get in sync with the where the sport has shifted to worldwide.

The simple fact is that the USA can’t see past the borders of our country to join the rest of the world. The RC holds meetings to thump their chest, create new cockamamie rules, and completely disregard any reality of the continuous decline in the sport.

The true winners in the sport of soaring are those with a matching start time, matching course and can come out ahead in an actual race. Make no mistake that MAT’s and TAT’s are not a race against anyone except yourself.

GP is PURE racing. Time for the USA to wake up, including you B.B. Quit thumping your oppugnant verses of the SSA Bible.

[Sean Fidler]

Enough!

To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases), in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off. Get some balls and give me a call. Let's meet. Let's talk about this like men. Consider the amount of time that this idiot has spent posting as Wilbur of the past? years. Is it Tom Kelley, Chris Schreader, Kevin Christer, Herb Killian, John Cochran, Andy Blackburn, Mini-Me Murphy or any number of other butthurt SSA Good Old Boy losers? Who really cares?

I was just on a flight with an two SSA members and fellow soaring pilots as these Wilbur posts (and others over the past year) were made, I think we can now finally prove to idiots who want to continue to pretend they believe this, that this is more SSA Good Old Boy bull****. We have just send an email to people "we care about" hence now one here, to prove this because many are really sick of this crap. We have been documenting this over the past few months. Again, to whoever this is, to be crystal clear. GO **** YOURSELF YOU EPIC ****ING LOSER. Anyone with a problem about that, please call me at 248.977.7911.

To the people here who constantly pretend to believe that Wilbur is me, and respond as such, you are as pathetic as it comes. You can also **** off. You are morons.

RAS has been and always will be nothing more than a haven to SSA good old boy trolls. The only reason I am here today (I NEVER READ THIS GARBAGE) is because my friends asked me to do so in conjunction with their email to a large group of other soaring pilots disputing this garbage. Thanks to them and again, to the rest you you Wilbur psychotic, **** OFF. You are total losers and this is why your stewardship of US SOARING is a total failure and an endless disaster. The people above in this thread... BUTTHURT, LOSERS..

I am looking forward to competing this spring, now more than ever.

Cheers,

Sean Fidler
7T
248.977.7911 for anyone with a further problem

[Tango Eight]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:46:38 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Enough!
>
> To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases), in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off. Get some balls and give me a call. Let's meet. Let's talk about this like men. Consider the amount of time that this idiot has spent posting as Wilbur of the past? years. Is it Tom Kelley, Chris Schreader, Kevin Christer, Herb Killian, John Cochran, Andy Blackburn, Mini-Me Murphy or any number of other butthurt SSA Good Old Boy losers? Who really cares?
>
> I was just on a flight with an two SSA members and fellow soaring pilots as these Wilbur posts (and others over the past year) were made, I think we can now finally prove to idiots who want to continue to pretend they believe this, that this is more SSA Good Old Boy bull****. We have just send an email to people "we care about" hence now one here, to prove this because many are really sick of this crap. We have been documenting this over the past few months. Again, to whoever this is, to be crystal clear. GO **** YOURSELF YOU EPIC ****ING LOSER. Anyone with a problem about that, please call me at 248.977.7911.
>
> To the people here who constantly pretend to believe that Wilbur is me, and respond as such, you are as pathetic as it comes. You can also **** off.. You are morons.
>
> RAS has been and always will be nothing more than a haven to SSA good old boy trolls. The only reason I am here today (I NEVER READ THIS GARBAGE) is because my friends asked me to do so in conjunction with their email to a large group of other soaring pilots disputing this garbage. Thanks to them and again, to the rest you you Wilbur psychotic, **** OFF. You are total losers and this is why your stewardship of US SOARING is a total failure and an endless disaster. The people above in this thread... BUTTHURT, LOSERS.
>
> I am looking forward to competing this spring, now more than ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean Fidler
> 7T
> 248.977.7911 for anyone with a further problem

Okay pal, you don't get to delete that one.

best,
T8

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

I think many pilots would love to try SGP racing. If we ever have a race within a day or two drive I will fly. Come out west sometime.

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 6:22:06 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> I'm not sure why Wilbur thinks the SSA ultimately won't embrace SGP. I cant speak for the RC but I know a lot of top competition pilots who've come to like SGP and there's even talk of testing and sanctioning a Formula 1.0 type race in 2019, maybe here in Michigan or Kansas. Hell, if I had an 18m ship I'd be flying 2018 SGP Orlando too. Btw, a significant portion of SSA sanction fees largely go towards supporting the Junior Contest Rebate Program and other Junior initiatives. I can't speak to why SGP Ionia wasnt sanctioned but I don't believe there's any grand conspiracy against SGP in the USA. Presently 3 of the SSA's Board Members are registered to fly in 2018 SGP Orlando I believe. I would think they might support an effort to sanction and promote SGP racing in the U.S. in an effort to grow the sport and offer more opportunities for people to compete. Food for thought. As for the SGP Finals, I'm glad Tom Kelley has gone down to Chile to represent the USA. Maybe in future years others will go too and someday we'll be competitive in the format. I wish 7T had been able to go to Chile. I know he would have given it his very best and I suspect would have been competitive had he gone. Mountain flying is not easy though. It would be nice to see a younger breed of pilots with extensive Mtn and Ridge flying experience pursue a SGP title.
>
> - Chris Schrader

[Tango Eight]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Dear John, let me paraphrase what you wrote:
>
> “RC put a grand prix style option into the rules for several years. Nobody used it, so it got dropped in a general clean up. No conspiracy.”
>
> -The RC created their own set of rules to the increasingly popular game of Sailplane Grand Prix to be different from the rest of the world. One that allows pilots to enter but not really compete. It wasn’t popular, we failed and still reluctant to use standard IGC rules, due to cult religion unwritten rules of the SSA.
>
>
>
> Nobody said there was any conspiracy! This is clearly a disregard to get in sync with the where the sport has shifted to worldwide.
>
> The simple fact is that the USA can’t see past the borders of our country to join the rest of the world. The RC holds meetings to thump their chest, create new cockamamie rules, and completely disregard any reality of the continuous decline in the sport.
>
> The true winners in the sport of soaring are those with a matching start time, matching course and can come out ahead in an actual race. Make no mistake that MAT’s and TAT’s are not a race against anyone except yourself.
>
> GP is PURE racing. Time for the USA to wake up, including you B.B. Quit thumping your oppugnant verses of the SSA Bible.

Someone, anyone: Call the Waaaaahmbulance!

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 11:39:48 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Dear John, let me paraphrase what you wrote:
>
> “RC put a grand prix style option into the rules for several years. Nobody used it, so it got dropped in a general clean up. No conspiracy.”
>
> -The RC created their own set of rules to the increasingly popular game of Sailplane Grand Prix to be different from the rest of the world. One that allows pilots to enter but not really compete. It wasn’t popular, we failed and still reluctant to use standard IGC rules, due to cult religion unwritten rules of the SSA.
>
>
>
> Nobody said there was any conspiracy! This is clearly a disregard to get in sync with the where the sport has shifted to worldwide.
>
> The simple fact is that the USA can’t see past the borders of our country to join the rest of the world. The RC holds meetings to thump their chest, create new cockamamie rules, and completely disregard any reality of the continuous decline in the sport.
>
> The true winners in the sport of soaring are those with a matching start time, matching course and can come out ahead in an actual race. Make no mistake that MAT’s and TAT’s are not a race against anyone except yourself.
>
> GP is PURE racing. Time for the USA to wake up, including you B.B. Quit thumping your oppugnant verses of the SSA Bible.

Oh no, here we go again. Most of R.A.S., if not all, relished your absence. Please consider it a permanent practice. The "SHUT UP & FLY" T-shirt seems most appropriate for your affliction.

[Sean Fidler]

Oh an by the way, I am very proud to have been the one, along with my wife Tiffany, to have brought FAI SGP to the USA, almost entirely on our own, and at a loss financially.

Without that, Mr. Kelley would not be in Chili right now and the USA, under its elite SSA "stewardship" would be even more irrelevant to international soaring than they are today.

Thanks to those of you who recognize and appreciate that.

You already know what the great of you can do, as far as I am concerned. Remeber, RAS is a haven for SSa GOB trolls. Anybody with new ideas, who is not a GOB insider, is a target of their butthurt. Don't bother. Use Facebook or some other form of communication. It's the same poelel here over and over. No new news.

Sincerely,

Sean Fidler
7T
248.977.7911

[Sean Fidler]

RAS is no more than 15-20 trolls. Sorry to break it to you. 90% of post are the same 15 people.

[ND]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:46:38 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Enough!
>
> To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases), in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off. Get some balls and give me a call. Let's meet. Let's talk about this like men. Consider the amount of time that this idiot has spent posting as Wilbur of the past? years. Is it Tom Kelley, Chris Schreader, Kevin Christer, Herb Killian, John Cochran, Andy Blackburn, Mini-Me Murphy or any number of other butthurt SSA Good Old Boy losers? Who really cares?
>
> I was just on a flight with an two SSA members and fellow soaring pilots as these Wilbur posts (and others over the past year) were made, I think we can now finally prove to idiots who want to continue to pretend they believe this, that this is more SSA Good Old Boy bull****. We have just send an email to people "we care about" hence now one here, to prove this because many are really sick of this crap. We have been documenting this over the past few months. Again, to whoever this is, to be crystal clear. GO **** YOURSELF YOU EPIC ****ING LOSER. Anyone with a problem about that, please call me at 248.977.7911.
>
> To the people here who constantly pretend to believe that Wilbur is me, and respond as such, you are as pathetic as it comes. You can also **** off.. You are morons.
>
> RAS has been and always will be nothing more than a haven to SSA good old boy trolls. The only reason I am here today (I NEVER READ THIS GARBAGE) is because my friends asked me to do so in conjunction with their email to a large group of other soaring pilots disputing this garbage. Thanks to them and again, to the rest you you Wilbur psychotic, **** OFF. You are total losers and this is why your stewardship of US SOARING is a total failure and an endless disaster. The people above in this thread... BUTTHURT, LOSERS.
>
> I am looking forward to competing this spring, now more than ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean Fidler
> 7T
> 248.977.7911 for anyone with a further problem

back to work... https://giphy.com/gifs/being-struggle-sneaker-p4cqQ0gUIMcU0

[ND]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:46:38 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Enough!
>
> To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases), in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off. Get some balls and give me a call. Let's meet. Let's talk about this like men. Consider the amount of time that this idiot has spent posting as Wilbur of the past? years. Is it Tom Kelley, Chris Schreader, Kevin Christer, Herb Killian, John Cochran, Andy Blackburn, Mini-Me Murphy or any number of other butthurt SSA Good Old Boy losers? Who really cares?
>
> I was just on a flight with an two SSA members and fellow soaring pilots as these Wilbur posts (and others over the past year) were made, I think we can now finally prove to idiots who want to continue to pretend they believe this, that this is more SSA Good Old Boy bull****. We have just send an email to people "we care about" hence now one here, to prove this because many are really sick of this crap. We have been documenting this over the past few months. Again, to whoever this is, to be crystal clear. GO **** YOURSELF YOU EPIC ****ING LOSER. Anyone with a problem about that, please call me at 248.977.7911.
>
> To the people here who constantly pretend to believe that Wilbur is me, and respond as such, you are as pathetic as it comes. You can also **** off.. You are morons.
>
> RAS has been and always will be nothing more than a haven to SSA good old boy trolls. The only reason I am here today (I NEVER READ THIS GARBAGE) is because my friends asked me to do so in conjunction with their email to a large group of other soaring pilots disputing this garbage. Thanks to them and again, to the rest you you Wilbur psychotic, **** OFF. You are total losers and this is why your stewardship of US SOARING is a total failure and an endless disaster. The people above in this thread... BUTTHURT, LOSERS.
>
> I am looking forward to competing this spring, now more than ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean Fidler
> 7T
> 248.977.7911 for anyone with a further problem

also a personal favorite:
https://giphy.com/gifs/optical-illusions-asap-science-aZ3LDBs1ExsE8

[Mitch]

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe ND has won the Internet for today. Thanks to everyone who played!

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:35:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Kawa in 1st. Two JS-1s, then a V2, then a V3. All within 5 seconds, identical avg speed for all four!!!

Let's get this thread back on track!
And another great race today! With Tilo striking out and taking the lead through the 3rd TP until taking the slower, westerly route to the 4th. Those guys are soooooo good it's kind of shocking.

[Tango Eight]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:58:00 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Oh an by the way, I am very proud to have been the one, along with my wife Tiffany, to have brought FAI SGP to the USA, almost entirely on our own, and at a loss financially.
>
> Without that, Mr. Kelley would not be in Chili right now and the USA, under its elite SSA "stewardship" would be even more irrelevant to international soaring than they are today.
>
> Thanks to those of you who recognize and appreciate that.
>
> You already know what the great of you can do, as far as I am concerned. Remeber, RAS is a haven for SSa GOB trolls. Anybody with new ideas, who is not a GOB insider, is a target of their butthurt. Don't bother. Use Facebook or some other form of communication. It's the same poelel here over and over. No new news.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sean Fidler
> 7T
> 248.977.7911

I suspect I am not alone in wishing we could keep the SGP organizing Sean and send the internet-psycho Sean packing.

best regards,
Evan Ludeman / T8

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Sean is passionate about our sport. We need a thousand or more young people like him with similar passion for the sport. Not everyone has the same operating style, he is the new generation, wants to shake things up and wants it now. Embrace the enthusiasm !


On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:58:00 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> > Oh an by the way, I am very proud to have been the one, along with my wife Tiffany, to have brought FAI SGP to the USA, almost entirely on our own, and at a loss financially.
> >
> > Without that, Mr. Kelley would not be in Chili right now and the USA, under its elite SSA "stewardship" would be even more irrelevant to international soaring than they are today.
> >
> > Thanks to those of you who recognize and appreciate that.
> >
> > You already know what the great of you can do, as far as I am concerned.. Remeber, RAS is a haven for SSa GOB trolls. Anybody with new ideas, who is not a GOB insider, is a target of their butthurt. Don't bother. Use Facebook or some other form of communication. It's the same poelel here over and over. No new news.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Sean Fidler
> > 7T
> > 248.977.7911
>
> I suspect I am not alone in wishing we could keep the SGP organizing Sean and send the internet-psycho Sean packing.
>
> best regards,
> Evan Ludeman / T8

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_YYzMFf_9k

It's not my butt that hurts, it's my diaphragm.

;-)


On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 9:46:38 AM UTC-8, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Enough!
>
> To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases), in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off.

[Magnetar]

+1 to Jonathan.

Sad to see the soaring community trying to troll each other on the internet...

We need fresh blood, fresh ideas, good ideas to take this sport to the next level. People bringing energy projects to the table, shaking things up.

Style is different topic, not relevant.

+1 to Sean, let's forget about RAS, let's RACE!

[Kevin Christner]

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 12:46:38 PM UTC-5, Sean Fidler wrote:
> Enough!
>
> To the douchebag(s) who spend all of there time posting as Wilbur (and likely many other similar aliases),

Here is Sean referring to himself in the third person.

>in an effort to irritate and slander me, you are a total ****ing loser. **** off. Get some balls and give me a call. Let's meet. Let's talk about this like men. Consider the amount of time that this idiot has spent posting as Wilbur of the past? years.

I know its hard when you realize you've slandered yourself. It must not feel good. Just like it doesn't feel good to all of the people "Sean" has slandered over his past 5 years of keyboard rage.

>Is it Tom Kelley, Chris Schreader, Kevin Christer, Herb Killian, John Cochran, Andy Blackburn, Mini-Me Murphy or any number of other butthurt SSA Good Old Boy losers? Who really cares?

Nope, as always its just you.

> I was just on a flight with an two SSA members and fellow soaring pilots

Who? Please share.

>as these Wilbur posts (and others over the past year) were made,

I hate to break it to you, but there is wi-fi on almost every in America now, so this proves nothing.

>I think we can now finally prove to idiots who want to continue to pretend they believe this, that this is more SSA Good Old Boy bull****.

An oldie but a goodie. Daryll Ramm tracking down your IP proving beyond a doubt your aliases:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.aviation.soaring/VKqhnFDw2T8/TpL2Xs4vDIkJ;context-place=msg/rec.aviation.soaring/47SxSc-if7M/DnSveMYkCAAJ

>We have just send an email to people "we care about" hence now one here, to prove this because many are really sick of this crap.

You're right. The soaring community is completely sick of you and your bullying. And Wilbur. And TP Hill. And asw20pilot. And all your other aliases.

>We have been documenting this over the past few months.

What documentation? Please share.

>Again, to whoever this is, to be crystal clear. GO **** YOURSELF YOU EPIC ****ING LOSER. Anyone with a problem about that, please call me at 248.977.7911.

Does Wilbur have a burner phone. How will you talk to yourself when he calls you?

> To the people here who constantly pretend to believe that Wilbur is me, and respond as such, you are as pathetic as it comes. You can also **** off.. You are morons.

See IP tracking above.

> RAS has been and always will be nothing more than a haven to SSA good old boy trolls. The only reason I am here today (I NEVER READ THIS GARBAGE)

Here is a list of the 1,824 posts you have made on RAS:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!profile/rec.aviation.soaring/APn2wQcmyImtuhy8boc39UCPQzUMZIMJ2q2sEl4tR6Y2rfXZuW nBUWy6-AYHfv8zD8dYC1uMBijr

>is because my friends asked me to do so in conjunction with their email to a large group of other soaring pilots disputing this garbage.

Pics or it didn't happen.

>Thanks to them and again, to the rest you you Wilbur psychotic, **** OFF. You are total losers and this is why your stewardship of US SOARING is a total failure and an endless disaster. The people above in this thread... BUTTHURT, LOSERS.

Using the language of a 16 year old makes you look pretty intelligent.

> I am looking forward to competing this spring, now more than ever.

I hope you are looking forward to many lonely dinners with yourself.

[[email protected]]

Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate.

[Paul Agnew]

I'm still new to the concept of sailplane racing and am still trying to grasp the different formats being used around the world.

For the past two days, I've been watching the last hour or so of the SGP in Chile and am having a blast. The coverage with telemetry and insightful commentary has really made this a viable spectator sport for those with a specific interest in racing. The finish on Wednesday was exciting! Watching the different strategies develop and ultimately fail to pan out or work to their advantage was much more engaging to watch than some of the races I've tried to follow in the past.

I was chatting with my First Officer about soaring during our flight yesterday and he was very interested in the race coverage I was describing. We rushed to find a spot to watch the finish of the race yesterday after we landed in Boston with two hours of airport appreciation time before our next leg. As a non-glider pilot, he was completely engaged by the coverage of the race and didn't want to stop until the top five has finished. That's a good sign, if you ask me.

Add in a live shot of the finish line and some realtime weather/clouds and this format will become more popular with every race.

Today's race starts at 1230z...see you on YouTube.

Paul A.
Jupiter, FL
ASW-19

[[email protected]]

Sean is certainly "passionate," but remember that you cannot spell "Passionate" without "ASS."

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

I agree that the coverage of this, and other, contests is great. Sorta like when Americas Cup racing did the same years ago (yes, Sean also made the same comment). It became a lot more interesting to a wider group.
While I will make no guess how many potential sailplane pilots will come of the newer coverage, I will say it brings up more attention for the whole sport.

Glad you had time to watch the end of the race.

[Duster[_2_]]

Per Mr. St Cloud: "Sean is passionate about our sport. We need a thousand or more young people like him with similar passion for the sport. Not everyone has the same operating style, he is the new generation, wants to shake things up and wants it now. Embrace the enthusiasm !"

Jonathan; too rarely here does a post like yours raise the benchmark on RAS.. Way to go!

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

From the race results on January 19, it looks like these guys need to install better cockpit vent suckers! Finishing one or three meters too low but right along side (especially if really right along side) would really, well, blow. Note to self... Install logger in a box I can vent to pitot or TE probe... :-)

[Tony[_5_]]

It was neck and neck again. I know what its like to get pushed a little under that minimum finish altitude! Nerves of steel by Nagel to not push hard to try to get in first. I would've been tempted, a win today gets him within 3 points for tomorrow. 2nd place today would put him 7 points out, a much more difficult task!

On the final two legs, Kawa made two complete circles while the Three Ventii 3 all flew straight. Impressive.

[jfitch]

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:35:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> Kawa in 1st. Two JS-1s, then a V2, then a V3. All within 5 seconds, identical avg speed for all four!!!

Those interested in this style of competition should sign up for the Region 11 FAI. It will be run as a normal FAI handicap, but in the middle of it we are having a separate trial event that is GP style: simultaneous start, handicapped turnpoints, first one back wins. The goal is to gage the feasibility and interest in running a full contest this way in the future. We already have a local series that uses this format, it has been successful and people seem to like it.

[Steve Koerner]

GP racing is a lot of fun and it is tremendously better for spectating. We've also been doing a handicap radius method within Arizona Soaring Association on an occasional basis for a number of years now.

GP racing does have a downer though. There is a greater hazard of mid-air when everyone starts at the same time. The risk of a collision is geometric with the number of contestants. For that reason, the number of players is limited to 20 while everyone else sits on the bench. That compares to a practical limit of more like 65 gliders on a single task doing conventional racing.

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SK's flying on the long ridge run south was amazing on Friday - so tight to the contours the whole way compared to the 3 V3 pilots and able to take fractionally shorter routes round the side ridges He simply outflew them there.

[Iain Baker[_2_]]

At 09:09 20 January 2018, wrote:
>SK's flying on the long ridge run south was amazing on Friday - so
tight
>to the contours the whole way compared to the 3 V3 pilots and able to
take
>fractionally shorter routes round the side ridges He simply outflew
them
>there.
>

However Sebastian Nagel won the day because he was only 6m under
the minimum finish height but Sebastian Kawa was 8m below...there's
a 5m buffer so SN was penalised 2s and SK 6s.

Only a 3 point gap between the two going into the last day!!!