LXnav software with OS X / Wine

[Sarah[_2_]]

Hi all,

The windows box I used for these things has ceased to be.

It was surprisingly easy to get "LXSim" working using WINE and the wonderful http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/

But the other one I need, "LXStyler" doesn't quite work. It starts, but selecting a configuration and then any page pops up an empty windows "Critical Error" box and it's locked up.

I suspect there's some magic DLL(s) or other trick I need beyond the default install. Anyone done this?

[Kevin Christner]

Probably not exactly the answer you're looking for, and would be interested in hearing others experiences, but Parallels Desktop has been flawless for me across a number of Windows applications. Retails for around $70.

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:05:56 AM UTC-5, Sarah wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The windows box I used for these things has ceased to be.
>
> It was surprisingly easy to get "LXSim" working using WINE and the wonderful http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
>
> But the other one I need, "LXStyler" doesn't quite work. It starts, but selecting a configuration and then any page pops up an empty windows "Critical Error" box and it's locked up.
>
> I suspect there's some magic DLL(s) or other trick I need beyond the default install. Anyone done this?

[jfitch]

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 7:23:02 AM UTC-8, Kevin Christner wrote:
> Probably not exactly the answer you're looking for, and would be interested in hearing others experiences, but Parallels Desktop has been flawless for me across a number of Windows applications. Retails for around $70.
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:05:56 AM UTC-5, Sarah wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The windows box I used for these things has ceased to be.
> >
> > It was surprisingly easy to get "LXSim" working using WINE and the wonderful http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
> >
> > But the other one I need, "LXStyler" doesn't quite work. It starts, but selecting a configuration and then any page pops up an empty windows "Critical Error" box and it's locked up.
> >
> > I suspect there's some magic DLL(s) or other trick I need beyond the default install. Anyone done this?

Either Parallels or VMWare Fusion will very likely run it perfectly. I've yet to find a Windows program that does not run.

[Peter Wilson[_2_]]

At 16:28 28 January 2018, jfitch wrote:
>On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 7:23:02 AM UTC-8, Kevin
Christner wrote:
>> Probably not exactly the answer you're looking for, and would be
>interested in hearing others experiences, but Parallels Desktop has
been
>flawless for me across a number of Windows applications. Retails
for
>around $70.
>>

I run it under parallels and it works fine

[Darryl Ramm]

VMware Fusion and a full copy of whatever Windows version you want/need.

All the LXNav and SeeYou software runs under Windows 10 on the latest VMware Fusion on the latest macOS releases and has for years.

That VMware stuff is just the most amazing, wonderful, fantastic, software. And I'm totally unbiased.

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 7:05:56 AM UTC-8, Sarah wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The windows box I used for these things has ceased to be.
>
> It was surprisingly easy to get "LXSim" working using WINE and the wonderful http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
>
> But the other one I need, "LXStyler" doesn't quite work. It starts, but selecting a configuration and then any page pops up an empty windows "Critical Error" box and it's locked up.
>
> I suspect there's some magic DLL(s) or other trick I need beyond the default install. Anyone done this?

[marco]

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 9:39:15 PM UTC+1, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> VMware Fusion and a full copy of whatever Windows version you want/need.
>
> All the LXNav and SeeYou software runs under Windows 10 on the latest VMware Fusion on the latest macOS releases and has for years.
>
> That VMware stuff is just the most amazing, wonderful, fantastic, software. And I'm totally unbiased.
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 7:05:56 AM UTC-8, Sarah wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The windows box I used for these things has ceased to be.
> >
> > It was surprisingly easy to get "LXSim" working using WINE and the wonderful http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
> >
> > But the other one I need, "LXStyler" doesn't quite work. It starts, but selecting a configuration and then any page pops up an empty windows "Critical Error" box and it's locked up.
> >
> > I suspect there's some magic DLL(s) or other trick I need beyond the default install. Anyone done this?

I used: https://www.davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/
Slightly more work but it is also easy to follow.
Parallels is wine, in a commercial way.
I do not run an LX program but use this for SeeYou. Runs OK.

[Darryl Ramm]

Parallels and VMware Fusion are *not* Wine in a commercial or any other real way.

Parallels and Fusion are virtual machine monitors, they let multiple operating systems run on the computer hardware. Wine is a Windows operating system emulator (regardless of if the name tries to say otherwise). Wine has the benefit of not needing a Windows operating system, at the disadvantage of lots more compatibility issues, and well for some things you really want Windows, warts and all.

[Sarah[_2_]]

Thanks all, I'm aware of Parallels & VMware. I asked about Wine for a reason - I'm cheap. My need for windows is sporadic (Once a season toying with LXStyler, maybe a spring refresher with LXSim). I don't want to buy a subscription based program, like Parallels, and the associated Windows OS. Do you need to buy a copy of WIndows for VMware? It wasn't obvious on their website.

Encouraged by my luck with LXSim, I tried LXStyler. It's close - as I said, I think I've just not got the right libraries. I read on the LXnav site Styler requires .NET 2.0 ... and as I recall there was a VB dependency as well.



On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 3:23:53 PM UTC-6, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> Parallels and VMware Fusion are *not* Wine in a commercial or any other real way.
>
> Parallels and Fusion are virtual machine monitors, they let multiple operating systems run on the computer hardware. Wine is a Windows operating system emulator (regardless of if the name tries to say otherwise). Wine has the benefit of not needing a Windows operating system, at the disadvantage of lots more compatibility issues, and well for some things you really want Windows, warts and all.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 1:55:54 PM UTC-8, Sarah wrote:
> Thanks all, I'm aware of Parallels & VMware. I asked about Wine for a reason - I'm cheap. My need for windows is sporadic (Once a season toying with LXStyler, maybe a spring refresher with LXSim). I don't want to buy a subscription based program, like Parallels, and the associated Windows OS. Do you need to buy a copy of WIndows for VMware? It wasn't obvious on their website.

Yes you need a copy of Windows to run in VMware Fusion, just the same as with Parallels. Didn't a handsome clever person just say they are both virtual machine monitors :-)

Unless you know for sure stuff runs with Wine and you are unlikely to have more need then it can be a false economy. I'd love to burn Windows but there are a half dozen or so apps (esp. Naviter SeeYou and Condor) that I just have to have and want them with me on my MacBook Pro, and then always some other new app to want to try out.

[jfitch]

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 1:55:54 PM UTC-8, Sarah wrote:
> Thanks all, I'm aware of Parallels & VMware. I asked about Wine for a reason - I'm cheap. My need for windows is sporadic (Once a season toying with LXStyler, maybe a spring refresher with LXSim). I don't want to buy a subscription based program, like Parallels, and the associated Windows OS. Do you need to buy a copy of WIndows for VMware? It wasn't obvious on their website.
>
> Encouraged by my luck with LXSim, I tried LXStyler. It's close - as I said, I think I've just not got the right libraries. I read on the LXnav site Styler requires .NET 2.0 ... and as I recall there was a VB dependency as well.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 3:23:53 PM UTC-6, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> > Parallels and VMware Fusion are *not* Wine in a commercial or any other real way.
> >
> > Parallels and Fusion are virtual machine monitors, they let multiple operating systems run on the computer hardware. Wine is a Windows operating system emulator (regardless of if the name tries to say otherwise). Wine has the benefit of not needing a Windows operating system, at the disadvantage of lots more compatibility issues, and well for some things you really want Windows, warts and all.

Once you have VMWare or Parallels (and Darryl may not be quite as unbiased as he says...) there is a trick to running Windows without a license. Microsoft on their developer website maintains Virtual Machine disks for many different versions of Windows for VMWare and Parallels. You can download these for free, they work for 30 days and then time out. Their intended use is to test IE, but I have in the past used them for testing other things.

[[email protected]]

I've had mixed results with Wine for supporting the LX.

I think it took some registery editing to get it to run. (I remember starting wine with the option to dump WIndows syscalls and then looked at what was happening and then looked in the old Windows registery to see what should have been there.)

Even after doing this, I had to find a laptop with a real serial port to talk to the device. The combination of wine plus a use serial was too much. Even after doing this, only some of he LX functions worked. I could download flights, but to upload a new airspace I still have to revert to the Windows dual boot. There are newer versions of wine now, so this may not still be an issue.

I've heard that legal W7 license keys cost less than $15. This, plus a downloaded W7 boot iso should install and do updates on a VM. That may be the least headaches.

[Sarah[_2_]]

Thanks Marco,
I went down that path, tripping a bit with conflicts with other software - upside is I refreshed my /usr/local. I got the command line "wine" working, but even the GUI install of LXSim I had working before failed. I got a windows popup window that said "CoCreateInstance failed; code 0x8004154". Ok then ... stumbled past about 3 of these to a possibly complete installation. But launching fails with

0009:err:dbghelp_stabs:stabs_parse Unknown stab type 0x0a
0009:err:dbghelp_stabs:stabs_parse Unknown stab type 0x0a
wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x00000038 at address 0x61b675 (thread 0009), starting debugger...

Looks like it's VMware or Parallels for me.

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 2:47:29 PM UTC-6, Marco wrote:
....
>
> I used: https://www.davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/
> Slightly more work but it is also easy to follow.
> Parallels is wine, in a commercial way.
> I do not run an LX program but use this for SeeYou. Runs OK.

[[email protected]]

You can try Virtualbox, which is also a virtualisation software but free. You still need a Windows though.