Annoying Habbits?

[Slick]

Any of you have annoying habits when you start to get nervous about your
flight? I swallow hard and lick my lips a lot when I start to get low and
un-sure of where the next thermal is. Anyone else do anything like this?




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[Nick Gilbert]

I tend to say things like 'gosh darn it' & 'poo'

Nick.


"Slick" > wrote in message
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> Any of you have annoying habits when you start to get nervous about your
> flight? I swallow hard and lick my lips a lot when I start to get low and
> un-sure of where the next thermal is. Anyone else do anything like this?
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[Nyal Williams]

You guys have hold of the wrong muscle groups; most
of us engage the sphincters.


At 04:18 28 June 2004, Nick Gilbert wrote:
>I tend to say things like 'gosh darn it' & 'poo'
>
>Nick.
>
>
>'Slick' wrote in message
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>> Any of you have annoying habits when you start to
>>get nervous about your
>> flight? I swallow hard and lick my lips a lot when
>>I start to get low and
>> un-sure of where the next thermal is. Anyone else
>>do anything like this?
>>
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[Raymond]

I tend to sing to myself during the flight - generally I make up the
lyrics. They are usually something related to flying. I find the cadence
of the music keeps my scan sequence regular.

When I get nervous, I stop singing.

I don't know which is more annoying. :)

Raymond Swartz


Slick wrote:

> Any of you have annoying habits when you start to get nervous about your
> flight? I swallow hard and lick my lips a lot when I start to get low and
> un-sure of where the next thermal is. Anyone else do anything like this?
>
>
>
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[tango4]

One of my first instructors would whistle and hum to himself if you were
doing well. When the whistling stopped, look out, the next thing was usually
him stretching forward to beat you around the ears with his hat.

In answer to his heavily German accented 'where are your wings?', usually
meant to inquire about the diversion of the string from the straight back
position, I once replied 'well there's one there and one there' nodding
first left then right. At that point I think he unscrewed the stick from the
rear seat of the bergfalke and hit me with that because it certainly wasn't
a cap that he hit me with! I reckon that smart alec comment delayed my solo
by months!

Fond memories!

Me? A bit of silent verbal abuse when I'm down in the weeds. I have been
known to whistle and hum when its going well, looks like the training stuck!

Ian




"Raymond" > wrote in message
...
> I tend to sing to myself during the flight - generally I make up the
> lyrics. They are usually something related to flying. I find the cadence
> of the music keeps my scan sequence regular.
>
> When I get nervous, I stop singing.
>
> I don't know which is more annoying. :)
>
> Raymond Swartz
>
>
> Slick wrote:
>
> > Any of you have annoying habits when you start to get nervous about your
> > flight? I swallow hard and lick my lips a lot when I start to get low
and
> > un-sure of where the next thermal is. Anyone else do anything like this?
> >
> >
> >
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[Shawn Curry]

tango4 wrote:

> One of my first instructors would whistle and hum to himself if you were
> doing well. When the whistling stopped, look out, the next thing was usually
> him stretching forward to beat you around the ears with his hat.
>
> In answer to his heavily German accented 'where are your wings?', usually
> meant to inquire about the diversion of the string from the straight back
> position, I once replied 'well there's one there and one there' nodding
> first left then right. At that point I think he unscrewed the stick from the
> rear seat of the bergfalke and hit me with that because it certainly wasn't
> a cap that he hit me with! I reckon that smart alec comment delayed my solo
> by months!
>
> Fond memories!

Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport? If he did
this to me he'd have a black eye before he got off the runway. If my
kid were flying with someone who behaved this way, I would end his
flying career in an instant.
Where's my Ativan, gotta calm down.

Shawn

[tango4]

"Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
...

> Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport? If he did
> this to me he'd have a black eye before he got off the runway. If my
> kid were flying with someone who behaved this way, I would end his
> flying career in an instant.
> Where's my Ativan, gotta calm down.
>
> Shawn

That's what you'd expect from someone who needs drugs to control their
emotions I suppose. If you need this kind of crutch I suggest you ground
yourself. Aviation is not for you.

Get a grip fella!

Ian

[F.L. Whiteley]

"tango4" > wrote in message
...
> One of my first instructors would whistle and hum to himself if you were
> doing well. When the whistling stopped, look out, the next thing was
usually
> him stretching forward to beat you around the ears with his hat.
>
> In answer to his heavily German accented 'where are your wings?', usually
> meant to inquire about the diversion of the string from the straight back
> position, I once replied 'well there's one there and one there' nodding
> first left then right. At that point I think he unscrewed the stick from
the
> rear seat of the bergfalke and hit me with that because it certainly
wasn't
> a cap that he hit me with! I reckon that smart alec comment delayed my
solo
> by months!
>
> Fond memories!
>
> Me? A bit of silent verbal abuse when I'm down in the weeds. I have been
> known to whistle and hum when its going well, looks like the training
stuck!
>
> Ian
>
most likely the rigging spanner. always a favorite for the K-7 and K-13
instructor

Frank Whiteley

[Michael]

"tango4" > wrote
> > Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport?
> That's what you'd expect from someone who needs drugs to control their
> emotions I suppose. If you need this kind of crutch I suggest you ground
> yourself. Aviation is not for you.

No, aviation is not for him. Aviation is only for the strong. The
ones who don't mind being whacked on the head with things, and accept
it as just a normal part of instruction. The ones who don't go in for
this newfangled psychiatry crap, and deal with their problems the
old-fashioned way - drinking and womanizing. Aviation is only for the
real men.

Michael

[Shawn Curry]

tango4 wrote:
> "Shawn Curry" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport? If he did
>>this to me he'd have a black eye before he got off the runway. If my
>>kid were flying with someone who behaved this way, I would end his
>>flying career in an instant.
>>Where's my Ativan, gotta calm down.
>>
>>Shawn
>
>
> That's what you'd expect from someone who needs drugs to control their
> emotions I suppose. If you need this kind of crutch I suggest you ground
> yourself. Aviation is not for you.
>
> Get a grip fella!


Oh (expletive deleted) Ian. It was a joke (although I have taken Ativan
prior to having surgery, and highly recommend it :-) ).
If you think this sadist was a great asset to our sport, you and he are
both way off. Most of us don't get our soaring training in the
military. We do it for recreational purposes, and expect it to be
difficult perhaps, but enjoyable and rewarding as well. You may be
content to have some asshole assaulting your son or daughter to
"improve" their experience in aviation. However, if someone behaves
this way to one of my kids, I'll kick the living **** out of him.
For those of you still following: Imagine your 13 year old daughter in
the front seat of a glider, skidding a turn once too many times early in
her training. At 2000 feet some middle age sicko with a control freak
attitude and no self control starts verbally and physically assaulting
your child. Ian apparently approves of this, and feels its just how its
done. Great. I won't tolerate it.
Listen "fella" you need to accept that the "Put up and shut up. We've
always done it this way." attitude toward ALL aspects of our sport, is
just not in our better interest. That, and if someone hurts my child,
in the cockpit or elsewhere, my tight lid on my temper will fail.

Shawn

[Shawn Curry]

Michael wrote:

> "tango4" > wrote
>
>>>Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport?
>>
>>That's what you'd expect from someone who needs drugs to control their
>>emotions I suppose. If you need this kind of crutch I suggest you ground
>>yourself. Aviation is not for you.
>
>
> No, aviation is not for him. Aviation is only for the strong. The
> ones who don't mind being whacked on the head with things, and accept
> it as just a normal part of instruction. The ones who don't go in for
> this newfangled psychiatry crap, and deal with their problems the
> old-fashioned way - drinking and womanizing. Aviation is only for the
> real men.
>
> Michael

LOL

[Mike Lindsay]

In article >, Michael
>No, aviation is not for him. Aviation is only for the strong. The
>ones who don't mind being whacked on the head with things, and accept
>it as just a normal part of instruction. The ones who don't go in for
>this newfangled psychiatry crap, and deal with their problems the
>old-fashioned way - drinking and womanizing. Aviation is only for the
>real men.
>
>Michael

That's an interesting viewpoint. Many years ago Mike Bird's wife pointed
out that gliding seemed to be a substitute for SEX. No, he replied, sex
is a substitute for gliding.

But WTHDIK.
--
Mike Lindsay

[Bruce Greeff]

Shawn Curry wrote:
> tango4 wrote:
>
>> One of my first instructors would whistle and hum to himself if you were
>> doing well. When the whistling stopped, look out, the next thing was
>> usually
>> him stretching forward to beat you around the ears with his hat.
>>
>> In answer to his heavily German accented 'where are your wings?', usually
>> meant to inquire about the diversion of the string from the straight back
>> position, I once replied 'well there's one there and one there' nodding
>> first left then right. At that point I think he unscrewed the stick
>> from the
>> rear seat of the bergfalke and hit me with that because it certainly
>> wasn't
>> a cap that he hit me with! I reckon that smart alec comment delayed my
>> solo
>> by months!
>>
>> Fond memories!
>
>
> Fond? How many people did this prick drive out of the sport? If he did
> this to me he'd have a black eye before he got off the runway. If my
> kid were flying with someone who behaved this way, I would end his
> flying career in an instant.
> Where's my Ativan, gotta calm down.
>
> Shawn
This chap introduced me to gliding 22 years ago. One of the gentlest and nicest
people you could hope to meet.
An excellent if slightly eccentric teacher, he taught generations to fly long
white wings - for next to nothing but the joy of it. The only thing that
reliably got a student a lecture, was a lax attitude - particularly to safety.
Over all he brought many into the sport, I don't know of any he drove away. I do
know many who hold him in the highest respect.

I wonder how many scare themselves witless, or kill themselves being sloppy
because their instruction did not include some robust criticism. Or even the
occasional good natured slap with a gliding hat - hardly a weapon of mass
destruction ;)

[Shawn Curry]

Bruce Greeff wrote:

> This chap introduced me to gliding 22 years ago. One of the gentlest and
> nicest people you could hope to meet.
> An excellent if slightly eccentric teacher, he taught generations to fly
> long white wings - for next to nothing but the joy of it. The only thing
> that reliably got a student a lecture, was a lax attitude - particularly
> to safety.
> Over all he brought many into the sport, I don't know of any he drove
> away. I do know many who hold him in the highest respect.
>
> I wonder how many scare themselves witless, or kill themselves being
> sloppy because their instruction did not include some robust criticism.
> Or even the occasional good natured slap with a gliding hat - hardly a
> weapon of mass destruction ;)

Sounds like a difference in perspective between you Ian and myself. I
think we can all live with that.
I really do understand the difference between your "...Or even the
occasional good natured slap with a gliding hat" I've probably gotten
one or two of those (no harm done), and Ian's "...beat you around the
ears with his hat" and perhaps something harder.
The former gets your attention, the latter sounds abusive and counter
productive.
I'm all for robust criticism BTW, but it can be "Look if you continue to
do xyz you'll kill yourself one day." Not "You stupid *^@@#$%^^%$#
you're an embarrassment to aviation." :-)

Shawn

[tango4]

Same bloke. Thank you Bruce!

Ian

[Malcolm Austin]

Heard on our gliding field some time last year:

"Well dear, that d*m white thing gets me up quicker and keeps me up longer
than some other things I could care to mention"

I'm not sure how you could answer back on that one, and if he's got teeth
and if he's still married !!

Malcolm...


"Mike Lindsay" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Michael
> >No, aviation is not for him. Aviation is only for the strong. The
> >ones who don't mind being whacked on the head with things, and accept
> >it as just a normal part of instruction. The ones who don't go in for
> >this newfangled psychiatry crap, and deal with their problems the
> >old-fashioned way - drinking and womanizing. Aviation is only for the
> >real men.
> >
> >Michael
>
> That's an interesting viewpoint. Many years ago Mike Bird's wife pointed
> out that gliding seemed to be a substitute for SEX. No, he replied, sex
> is a substitute for gliding.
>
> But WTHDIK.
> --
> Mike Lindsay

[Michael]

Mike Lindsay > wrote
> That's an interesting viewpoint.

Um, that wasn't a viewpoint. It was a joke. I'm guessing US humor
(sic) doesn't play well in the UK.

In case there is any doubt here - I wasn't actually serious. I don't
think there's anything wrong with taking prescription psychiatric
drugs - sometimes they actually work, and 'toughing out' an imbalance
in brain chemistry is about as sensible as 'toughing out' an imbalance
in blood chemistry. Only difference is that we've got a better handle
on blood disorders than we do brain disorders, so the drugs work
better and more consistently.

I also don't care for flight instruction that includes shouting,
belittling the student, and certainly physical assault is never
acceptable. This is not a generational thing, either - it's pure
(bad) personality. The best instructors I ever flew with (including
the one who signed me off for my private glider ride) were well past
sixty, had military backgrounds - and never, ever raised their voices
in the cockpit. There is simply no reason to do it. As an instructor
myself, I strive to emulate them,

On the other hand, I also flew with an instructor who thought nothing
of raising his voice in the cockpit, belittling the student, and even
using his soaring hat to 'get the student's attention.' He didn't
drive me away from soaring, but I know at least one person that he DID
drive away from soaring. He taught me something important about
instructing as well - what NOT to do.

Michael