SeeYou MOBILE v2.0!

[Roy McMaster]

MOBILE:

We are very pleased to inform you of the Internet availability of
SeeYou MOBILE Version 2.0 released June 30, 2004. There have been
significant improvements over the 2004 SSA Convention version and you
should go to the web site and download the free upgrade as soon as you
have an opportunity:

http://mobile.seeyou.ws/dload-mseeyou.php

Be sure you have your PDA in its cradle and Active Sync running to
facilitate the transfer and installation.

There is also a PDF version of the Manual released June 30, 2004 in
addition to the "On Screen" help within the program. You may find
benefit in printing the Manual and carefully reading it to more fully
comprehend all the power of version 2.0. I found it very useful.

http://mobile.seeyou.ws/dload-help.php

A significant concept, new to me, in MOBILE's moving map is using the
L/D as the measure of ability to get to a given point or airport. You
can set up two Nav Boxes on each map page with "Required L/D" and
"Current Achieved L/D". I place Current above Required and can easily
see my ability to make a given point and the safety margin. The
"Altitude Reserve" you specified on the Mc/Wind page is included in
the "Required L/D" calculation. You no longer need to think the
larger numbers of altitude and elevation, just what kind of L/D (two
digit numbers) you need compared with what you actually have. This
automatically corrects for estimated wind, bugs, water ballast and
sink!

Other outstanding features include automatic START with the time
displayed on the screen, Airspace Warnings and automatic logging of
the flight from the received GPS data, not the log in a logger memory.
Read the Manual so you don't miss the many important features so easy
to use once you know how to activate them.

SeeYou:

You should also be running SeeYou v2.7 for the latest MOBILE
Connection Wizard to easily transfer the desired Vector maps,
waypoints, airports and airspace into your PDA.

http://www.seeyou.ws/dload-seeyou.php

Be sure you select the "UPGRADE" or you will loose your personal
settings and registration key and have to reenter them.

Check your SeeYou waypoint database to verify if the runways are
properly aligned after removing the magnetic variation. That way they
will display in the proper orientation on MOBILE's maps. The World
Wide Turnpoint Exchange has a SeeYou.CUP version of each database
under the "Files Formatted for Downloading" section. See the example
for Harris Hill on the link below. You have to scroll down to

http://acro.harvard.edu/SOARING/JL/TP/Harris_hill//files.html

You can easily verify if your waypoint database in SeeYou has the
runway info or if you need to open and correct each point. If all the
runways are aligned North-South nothing has been done to correct the
database. You may also notice all are identified as PAVED RUNWAYS.

Good luck and contact Andrej or me if you need help. I know you will
spread the word once you start using it!

Roy McMaster
SeeYou© USA
265 Lew Storch Road
Elmira, NY 14903-9345
607-734-4308 Office
607-738-8444 Cell
607-734-4309 FAX
607-734-4307 Home

www.seeyou.ws
www.mobile.seeyou.ws
Lat. 42° 06.922'N, Long. 76° 53.832'W
Soaring Pilots use SeeYou and MOBILE!

[Andy Blackburn]

I've been playing with this the last few days and find
it to be very impressive - at least on the ground.
It has a rich feature set a very clean interface (if
a bit of an eye test) and seems to be quite stable.
It appears that it is now competition-ready. Nice job!

9B

At 17:48 07 July 2004, Roy McMaster wrote:
>MOBILE:
>
>We are very pleased to inform you of the Internet availability
>of
>SeeYou MOBILE Version 2.0 released June 30, 2004.
>There have been
>significant improvements over the 2004 SSA Convention
>version and you
>should go to the web site and download the free upgrade
>as soon as you
>have an opportunity:
>
>http://mobile.seeyou.ws/dload-mseeyou.php
>
>Be sure you have your PDA in its cradle and Active
>Sync running to
>facilitate the transfer and installation.
>
>There is also a PDF version of the Manual released
>June 30, 2004 in
>addition to the 'On Screen' help within the program.
> You may find
>benefit in printing the Manual and carefully reading
>it to more fully
>comprehend all the power of version 2.0. I found it
>very useful.
>
>http://mobile.seeyou.ws/dload-help.php
>
>A significant concept, new to me, in MOBILE's moving
>map is using the
>L/D as the measure of ability to get to a given point
>or airport. You
>can set up two Nav Boxes on each map page with 'Required
>L/D' and
>'Current Achieved L/D'. I place Current above Required
>and can easily
>see my ability to make a given point and the safety
>margin. The
>'Altitude Reserve' you specified on the Mc/Wind page
>is included in
>the 'Required L/D' calculation. You no longer need
>to think the
>larger numbers of altitude and elevation, just what
>kind of L/D (two
>digit numbers) you need compared with what you actually
>have. This
>automatically corrects for estimated wind, bugs, water
>ballast and
>sink!
>
>Other outstanding features include automatic START
>with the time
>displayed on the screen, Airspace Warnings and automatic
>logging of
>the flight from the received GPS data, not the log
>in a logger memory.
> Read the Manual so you don't miss the many important
>features so easy
>to use once you know how to activate them.
>
>SeeYou:
>
>You should also be running SeeYou v2.7 for the latest
>MOBILE
>Connection Wizard to easily transfer the desired Vector
>maps,
>waypoints, airports and airspace into your PDA.
>
>http://www.seeyou.ws/dload-seeyou.php
>
>Be sure you select the 'UPGRADE' or you will loose
>your personal
>settings and registration key and have to reenter them.
>
>Check your SeeYou waypoint database to verify if the
>runways are
>properly aligned after removing the magnetic variation.
> That way they
>will display in the proper orientation on MOBILE's
>maps. The World
>Wide Turnpoint Exchange has a SeeYou.CUP version of
>each database
>under the 'Files Formatted for Downloading' section.
> See the example
>for Harris Hill on the link below. You have to scroll
>down to
>
>http://acro.harvard.edu/SOARING/JL/TP/Harris_hill//files.html
>
>You can easily verify if your waypoint database in
>SeeYou has the
>runway info or if you need to open and correct each
>point. If all the
>runways are aligned North-South nothing has been done
>to correct the
>database. You may also notice all are identified as
>PAVED RUNWAYS.
>
>Good luck and contact Andrej or me if you need help.
> I know you will
>spread the word once you start using it!
>
>Roy McMaster
>SeeYou© USA
>265 Lew Storch Road
>Elmira, NY 14903-9345
>607-734-4308 Office
>607-738-8444 Cell
>607-734-4309 FAX
>607-734-4307 Home

>www.seeyou.ws
>www.mobile.seeyou.ws
>Lat. 42° 06.922'N, Long. 76° 53.832'W
>Soaring Pilots use SeeYou and MOBILE!
>

[Chris OCallaghan]

Roy,

Thanks for the update. Can you recommend the optimal
(performance-based, not price-based) hardware set up?

Thanks

[Oscar S Alonso]

I wish SeeYou offered a Apple OS/X or Linux version (I hate Windows)

Regards,
Oscar.

[ADP]

Hmm...

Let's see, 12 Linux users, 53 Mac OS users and 500,000,000 Windows users. I
wonder which OS provides the best opportunity for profit?

I hate lima beans.

;-}

Allan

"Oscar S Alonso" > wrote in message
news:2004070908333616807%oalonso@ciscocom...
>
> I wish SeeYou offered a Apple OS/X or Linux version (I hate Windows)
>
> Regards,
> Oscar.
>
>

[David]

Funny, I suppose, but SeeYou and Topo USA are the only
reason I'm still running that piece of s^%t hacker-magnet
OS from Redmond.

I love the new Mac OS, and Fedora Linux is amazingly polished.

David

"ADP" > wrote in message >...
> Hmm...
>
> Let's see, 12 Linux users, 53 Mac OS users and 500,000,000 Windows users. I
> wonder which OS provides the best opportunity for profit?
>
> I hate lima beans.
>
> ;-}
>
> Allan
>
> "Oscar S Alonso" > wrote in message
> news:2004070908333616807%oalonso@ciscocom...
> >
> > I wish SeeYou offered a Apple OS/X or Linux version (I hate Windows)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Oscar.
> >
> >

[Martin Gregorie]

On 9 Jul 2004 19:28:18 -0700, (David)
wrote:

>Funny, I suppose, but SeeYou and Topo USA are the only
>reason I'm still running that piece of s^%t hacker-magnet
>OS from Redmond.
>
>I love the new Mac OS, and Fedora Linux is amazingly polished.
>
>David
>
>"ADP" > wrote in message >...
>> Hmm...
>>
>> Let's see, 12 Linux users, 53 Mac OS users and 500,000,000 Windows users. I
>> wonder which OS provides the best opportunity for profit?
>>
>> I hate lima beans.
>>
>> ;-}
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> "Oscar S Alonso" > wrote in message
>> news:2004070908333616807%oalonso@ciscocom...
>> >
>> > I wish SeeYou offered a Apple OS/X or Linux version (I hate Windows)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Oscar.
>> >
>> >

Simple answer: follow the NOTAMplot lead and write desktop soaring
software in Java so we can all have copies regardless of which OS we
run.

--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :

[Derrick Steed]

Martin Gregorie wrote:
>Simple answer: follow the NOTAMplot lead and write desktop soaring
>software in Java so we can all have copies regardless of which OS we
>run.
>

Like all simple answers, it's wrong: Java is portable because of the JVM
(Java Virtual Machine), this is a java processor which runs in software on
the host machine. As many people have learned to their cost, you pay for
this abstraction in compute cycles (lots of them!) - thus Java is SLOW.
Unless you know of a source of very high speed PDA's which can also support
LARGE amounts of RAM, then this one is a dead duck. You'll need both to
support the kind of functions you now find in the PDA flight director
systems on offer: e.g. moving map, support for different projections, etc.

They are all written in C++ anyway, and that is the architypal portable
language which also has the required performance even on PDA's, so why not
port SeeYou (or whatever) to a Linux PDA? Better yet, use Cumulus and give
some support to that (it runs under OPIE on PPC devices, or on any linux
PDA): http://cumulus.kflog.org <http://cumulus.kflog.org>


Rgds,

Derrick Steed

[Roy McMaster]

(Chris OCallaghan) wrote in message >...
> Roy,
>
> Thanks for the update. Can you recommend the optimal
> (performance-based, not price-based) hardware set up?
>
> Thanks

Go to the MOBILE web site and check out the compatible hardware:

http://mobile.seeyou.ws/hardware.php

There are many options. Paul Remde's Cumulus Soaring Supplies has
lots of connection wires and mounts for various configurations of
almost all systems.

[Martin Gregorie]

On 10 Jul 2004 10:58:14 GMT, Derrick Steed
> wrote:

>Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>Simple answer: follow the NOTAMplot lead and write desktop soaring
>>software in Java so we can all have copies regardless of which OS we
>>run.
>>
>
>Like all simple answers, it's wrong: Java is portable because of the JVM
>(Java Virtual Machine), this is a java processor which runs in software on
>the host machine.
>
I know that and its not as slow as you may think. This is said from
the perspective of doing Java development on a 133 MHz PC. What IS
very slow and uses cycles like crazy is loading classes from JAR
files: not only do you have to search the file, but you need to expand
it first. Once an application has all its classes loaded it actually
runs pretty fast.

A properly designed and implemented VM isn't slow - in the good old
days of COBOL and mainframes I used a 4GL, Filetab. It was
implemented, like Perl, as a compile-and-go script with the result run
in a VM. That executed as fast as a well-written COBOL program and
faster than a badly written one.

> As many people have learned to their cost, you pay for
>this abstraction in compute cycles (lots of them!) - thus Java is SLOW.
>Unless you know of a source of very high speed PDA's which can also support
>LARGE amounts of RAM, then this one is a dead duck. You'll need both to
>support the kind of functions you now find in the PDA flight director
>systems on offer: e.g. moving map, support for different projections, etc.
>
Errm, I did say DESKTOP applications.

>They are all written in C++ anyway, and that is the architypal portable
>language which also has the required performance even on PDA's,
>
and is noticeably less efficient in cycles burnt than plain ANSI C.

>so why not
>port SeeYou (or whatever) to a Linux PDA?
>
I'd settle for ports to a plain Linux desktop - as I said, I wasn't
talking about PDA software. However, if Java is practical on a Palm,
which it is, then it should fly on an Intel-based PDA unless WinCE
really sucks in the efficiency department.


--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :

[Doug Haluza]

(Chris OCallaghan) wrote in message >...
> Roy,
>
> Thanks for the update. Can you recommend the optimal
> (performance-based, not price-based) hardware set up?
>
> Thanks

Yes, now all we need is for Dave N. to accept that PDA's are here to
stay, and to support them by repeating GPS and airdata out the serial
port of the SN-10 (like just about every other flight computer). I
have been flying with SYm, and find it complements, not replaces, the
flight computer. The PDA is excellent for quickly displaying landing
options, something the SN-10, even with the pending improvements,
cannot touch. If I'm about to land, I can't waste valuable time
fiddeling with knobs with head down and locked. I want to quickly see
where the reachable airports are, if any.

I just wish I could use one common GPS (i.e. the logger) and get the
airdata to improve wind and glide calculation on the PDA. All we
really need is for the SN-10 to spit the IGC records out so the PDA
can read them in real time. The ILEC B-record already contains the GPS
position ground speed and track, plus airdata for pressure altitude
and true airspeed. The data output could be done with a couple of
lines of extra code. This would be a huge improvement.