Any idea how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?

[jorgie]

Just wondering if anyone knows how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?

Have a look at http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html

Thanks

Sean


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[Robertmudd1u]

>Just wondering if anyone knows how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?

Check the prices of comparable gliders now on the market. Say an ASH-25.
The number I think I see is quite large.


Robert Mudd

[jorgie]

Appears cost will be about 79000 Euros or 135000 Australian Dollars. So
about the same a DG505


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[tango4]

"jorgie" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?
>
> Have a look at http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean
>
>
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I think I just decided what I'm going to buy next!

Ian

[Tom and Jane Gilbert]

Current price for the DG-505 Orion is 63,350 EUROS... so quite a bit of
difference. The DG-1000S lists at 73,830 EUROS... again less than the
'suggested' Stemme price.

Tom

"jorgie" > wrote in message
...
>
> Appears cost will be about 79000 Euros or 135000 Australian Dollars. So
> about the same a DG505
>
>
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[Andreas Maurer]

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:37:37 +0000 (UTC), "tango4"
> wrote:


>I think I just decided what I'm going to buy next!

Three years ago (in March 2001), when I asked them when the S2 was
scheduled to fly, the answer was "this summer" (the summer of 2001).

Last year (March 2003), the answer to the same question was "this
fall" (the fall of 2003).

Go figure.



Bye
Andreas

[tango4]

A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for. The
social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my young
children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that 1:47
performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's the
perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd send
'em a deposit tomorrow!

I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
fuselages for their ships.

Ian


"Andreas Maurer" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:37:37 +0000 (UTC), "tango4"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >I think I just decided what I'm going to buy next!
>
> Three years ago (in March 2001), when I asked them when the S2 was
> scheduled to fly, the answer was "this summer" (the summer of 2001).
>
> Last year (March 2003), the answer to the same question was "this
> fall" (the fall of 2003).
>
> Go figure.
>
>
>
> Bye
> Andreas

[jorgie]

Mmmmm, more expensive than the DG1000. That's a bit of a problem. I'm
beginning to think that the current crop of 2 seater a/c are perhaps to
expensive. Would this be a fair assumption or are these realistic
prices for what would be basic/advanced trainin a/c?


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[Kizuno]

For the same reasons, the new Taurus looks very interesting (their July
newsletter):

http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-21/newsletter-21.html

Assuming that it shows good reliability, this could be my idea of an ideal
advanced dual XC machine.

Kemp
9J

>
>A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for. The
>social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my young
>children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that 1:47
>performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's the
>perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
>'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd send
>'em a deposit tomorrow!
>
>I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
>fuselages for their ships.
>
>Ian

[Greg Arnold]

How about this one:
http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html



tango4 wrote:
> A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for. The
> social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my young
> children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that 1:47
> performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's the
> perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
> 'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd send
> 'em a deposit tomorrow!
>
> I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
> fuselages for their ships.
>
> Ian

[tango4]

1 - 12.5m wingspan 1:25 l/d - not exactly a "performance two seater"!
2 - Its a motorglider so it needs all the hassle of a full pilot licence

Ian

"Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
news:ap4Jc.406$8v2.37@lakeread01...
> How about this one:
> http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html
>
>
>
> tango4 wrote:
> > A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for. The
> > social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my
young
> > children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that
1:47
> > performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's
the
> > perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
> > 'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd
send
> > 'em a deposit tomorrow!
> >
> > I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
> > fuselages for their ships.
> >
> > Ian

[Bruce Greeff]

tango4 wrote:
> 1 - 12.5m wingspan 1:25 l/d - not exactly a "performance two seater"!
> 2 - Its a motorglider so it needs all the hassle of a full pilot licence
>
> Ian
>
> "Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
> news:ap4Jc.406$8v2.37@lakeread01...
>
>>How about this one:
>>http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html
>>
>>
>>
>>tango4 wrote:
>>
>>>A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for. The
>>>social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my
>
> young
>
>>>children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that
>
> 1:47
>
>>>performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's
>
> the
>
>>>perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
>>>'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd
>
> send
>
>>>'em a deposit tomorrow!
>>>
>>>I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
>>>fuselages for their ships.
>>>
>>>Ian
>
>
>
Ian

They are manufacturing a SLMG two seater side by side called the Taurus. Higher
performance than the Sinus and just what you are looking for less a few L/'D
points.

Two advantages though. Much lower cost so you can afford to fly more, and
smaller, so much easier to rig, hangar and transport. Sounds interesting to me.

[tango4]

1 - It's still a motorglider so here in Europe it needs a full pilots
licence.

2 - TINSFOS!

Ian

"Bruce Greeff" > wrote in message
...
> tango4 wrote:
> > 1 - 12.5m wingspan 1:25 l/d - not exactly a "performance two seater"!
> > 2 - Its a motorglider so it needs all the hassle of a full pilot licence
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > "Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
> > news:ap4Jc.406$8v2.37@lakeread01...
> >
> >>How about this one:
> >>http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>tango4 wrote:
> >>
> >>>A side by side two seater is just the sort of thing I'm looking for.
The
> >>>social aspect on one hand and the fact that if I fly with either of my
> >
> > young
> >
> >>>children I can get to them in flight is just so attractive. Add to that
> >
> > 1:47
> >
> >>>performance, folding wings, and new, composite construction, and it's
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>perfect solution. If they were to say they were coming out with a
> >>>'traditional' ( ie folding motor in the fuse ) sustainer version I'd
> >
> > send
> >
> >>>'em a deposit tomorrow!
> >>>
> >>>I really wish DG and Schempp would come up with optional side-by-side
> >>>fuselages for their ships.
> >>>
> >>>Ian
> >
> >
> >
> Ian
>
> They are manufacturing a SLMG two seater side by side called the Taurus.
Higher
> performance than the Sinus and just what you are looking for less a few
L/'D
> points.
>
> Two advantages though. Much lower cost so you can afford to fly more, and
> smaller, so much easier to rig, hangar and transport. Sounds interesting
to me.

[Tom and Jane Gilbert]

According to Mike Bird (Platypus) there is a substitute for span. It's
called talent. But you can buy span!

"tango4" > wrote in message
...
> 1 - It's still a motorglider so here in Europe it needs a full pilots
> licence.
>
> 2 - TINSFOS!
>
> Ian
>

[Stefan]

tango4 wrote:

> 1 - It's still a motorglider so here in Europe it needs a full pilots
> licence.

Maybe there in Europe where you live. But here in Europe where I live it
doesn't.

Stefan

[Robertmudd1u]

>They are manufacturing a SLMG two seater side by side called the Taurus.

More information about the Taurus can be found in the newsletter section at
http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/links.html
Read numbers 14-15-17&18
Pipistrel is very busy now making the production molds.

The wing is the same as on the Pipistrel Virus which is a 15 meter touring type
moptorglider, and is also used on the AMS Apis series of gliders.
www.apisgliders.com

Go to ww.pipistrel-usa.com for info about the Virus and Sinus. Odd names I
know but I did not choose them. However these offer a real alternative to the
high priced sutff out of Germany.

Robert Mudd
Apis Gliders inc
Pipistrel-USA

[Eric Greenwell]

tango4 wrote:

> 1 - It's still a motorglider so here in Europe it needs a full pilots
> licence.
>
> 2 - TINSFOS!

I think a motor, like the sustainer you want, can subsitute for a lot of
span. Bummer about needing a power license to fly a self-launcher.
--
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Martin Hellman]

(Andreas Maurer) wrote in message >...
> Three years ago (in March 2001), when I asked them when the S2 was
> scheduled to fly, the answer was "this summer" (the summer of 2001).
>
> Last year (March 2003), the answer to the same question was "this
> fall" (the fall of 2003).
>
> Go figure.

Sailplane manufacturers seem to be overly optimistic on delivery dates
in general. It happened with my Stemme S10VT (ordered 12/86, initial
delivery date summer 87, actual delivery May 88), but the problem is
not Stemme's alone.

When I was at the 1997 SSA convention, I heard a song "Honey we need a
new glider, the one we've got's obsolete." The song, not oriented to
Stemme, went on with several verses that went something like:

"The man called today and said they really are going to ship next
month."

The final verse concluded,

"The man called today, and they really are going to ship next month --
because the next model is coming out the month after... so guess what?
Honey, we need a new glider, the glider we're GETTING's
obsolete."

So it seems like an industry wide problem. If one is cynical, he could
say sailplane manufacturers lie. I prefer to see it as highly
unrealistic optimism.

[Ruud]

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:57:03 +1000, jorgie
> wrote:

>
>Just wondering if anyone knows how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?
>
They always say "if you´re asking for the price, you probably won´t be
able to afford such a ship" ;-)

[Ruud]

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:27:52 -0700, Greg Arnold >
wrote:

>How about this one:
>http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html
>
Never seen such an ugly (motor)glider before.

[Robertmudd1u]

>http://www.mcp.com.au/sinus/newsletters/newsletter-17/newsletter-17.html
>>
>Never seen such an ugly (motor)glider before.

Guess you never saw a Vivat.

Robert Mudd

[Stewart Kissel]

http://www.stemme.com/

[ADP]

Hmmm....

TOTAL
Total Cost of S10-VT ex factory in Strausberg Germany
E 244,156.00


Euro today: 1.23674 USD

Cost new: 301,969.31 USD

Let's all rush out and buy one!

Allan


"Stewart Kissel" > wrote in
message ...
> http://www.stemme.com/
>
>
>

[Ruud]

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:57:03 +1000, jorgie
> wrote:

>
>Just wondering if anyone knows how much the new Stemme S2 will cost?
>
They always say "if you´re asking for the price, you probably won´t be
able to afford such a ship" ;-)

[Graeme Cant]

jorgie wrote:
> Mmmmm, more expensive than the DG1000. That's a bit of a problem. I'm
> beginning to think that the current crop of 2 seater a/c are perhaps to
> expensive. Would this be a fair assumption or are these realistic
> prices for what would be basic/advanced trainin a/c?

If you think these are expensive prices for two-seaters, you clearly
haven't been paying attention to the prices of single-seaters! Check
what a D2 will cost you. Be sitting down when you look at the price of
a V2cx.

GC