View Full Version : Re: Pre Pan-American and 2018 Canadian National Gliding Competition
Dave Springford
April 11th 18, 11:52 PM
We now have 27 pilots registered in 3 classes for the contest.
http://silentflight.ca/nationals/index.php/registrationform/registered-pilots
18 spaces left before we reach our maximum of 45 competitors. Come join us and fly the area before the Pan-Am in 2019!
ND
August 16th 18, 05:46 PM
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 6:53:00 PM UTC-4, Dave Springford wrote:
> We now have 27 pilots registered in 3 classes for the contest.
>
> http://silentflight.ca/nationals/index.php/registrationform/registered-pilots
>
>
> 18 spaces left before we reach our maximum of 45 competitors. Come join us and fly the area before the Pan-Am in 2019!
Are there dates for the 2019 Panams yet? anywhere that i can find specific info pertaining to the contest?
Thank you!
ND
Dave Springford
August 16th 18, 09:58 PM
I don't recall the exact dates, but off the top of my head, something like 28 July - 14 Aug 2019 for the 3rd FAI Pan-American Gliding Championship, including practise days, opening and closing ceremony days and a reserve day.
Tim Taylor
August 17th 18, 05:31 AM
Please don't have an opening and closing day. They are a waste of time and extend the contest for no reason. It just adds addtional cost and time for the participants.
Dan Daly[_2_]
August 17th 18, 03:48 PM
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:31:19 AM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> Please don't have an opening and closing day. They are a waste of time and extend the contest for no reason. It just adds addtional cost and time for the participants.
According to the Sporting Code Annex A:
"1.2.3 The total period of the event shall not exceed 16 days including two days on which the Opening and the Closing Ceremonies are held. At least one non-flying rest day shall be given during the period. An official training period of three days immediately preceding the opening of the Championships shall be made available to all competitors. Major international soaring Events on the FAI Sporting Calendar should be separated by a minimum period of 4 days."
So, it's a requirement for an FAI/IGC Level One event.
Ron Gleason
August 17th 18, 04:26 PM
On Friday, 17 August 2018 08:48:16 UTC-6, Dan Daly wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:31:19 AM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> > Please don't have an opening and closing day. They are a waste of time and extend the contest for no reason. It just adds addtional cost and time for the participants.
>
> According to the Sporting Code Annex A:
> "1.2.3 The total period of the event shall not exceed 16 days including two days on which the Opening and the Closing Ceremonies are held. At least one non-flying rest day shall be given during the period. An official training period of three days immediately preceding the opening of the Championships shall be made available to all competitors. Major international soaring Events on the FAI Sporting Calendar should be separated by a minimum period of 4 days."
>
> So, it's a requirement for an FAI/IGC Level One event.
Annex A is a guideline and the organizers can ask for waivers and/or override via local procedures. I am with Tim, 2 full days for poorly attended ceremonies is a waste of peoples time. These ceremonies can be achieved during the evening on the practice day(s) and on the last day of the contest.
Do local dignitaries and sponsors get anything out of these ceremonies? Not sure but other than layers of government telling themselves they contributed funds for the event the opening ceremony at the recent Poland WGC could have been accomplished the evening of a practice day.
Dave Springford
August 17th 18, 04:46 PM
Andy,
We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find any willing renters?
Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be helpful.
Jock Proudfoot
August 17th 18, 07:02 PM
At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
>Andy,
We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
any willing
renters?
Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
helpful.
>
Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
Competition Classes:
• 18m Class
• Handicapped Class
Number of Contestants:
• 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
from outside the Americas
• Maximum 45 entries
Cost:
• Entry fee 600 USD
• Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
Glider Rental:
Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
lesser extent in Canada.
Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
Canada.
https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> >Andy,
> We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> any willing
> renters?
> Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> helpful.
> >
>
> Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> Competition Classes:
> • 18m Class
> • Handicapped Class
> Number of Contestants:
> • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> from outside the Americas
> • Maximum 45 entries
> Cost:
> • Entry fee 600 USD
> • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> Glider Rental:
> Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> lesser extent in Canada.
> Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> Canada.
>
> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
The dates for the 2019 Pan Americans are as follows:
Practice days July 29th, 30th, 31st
Opening ceremony August 1st
Contest days: August 2nd - 13th
Closing Ceremony & reserve contest day: August 14th
There will be three classes:
Club
Combined 15 meter/standard handicapped
18 meter
RW[_2_]
August 27th 18, 06:19 AM
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> >Andy,
> We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> any willing
> renters?
> Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> helpful.
> >
>
> Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> Competition Classes:
> • 18m Class
> • Handicapped Class
> Number of Contestants:
> • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> from outside the Americas
> • Maximum 45 entries
> Cost:
> • Entry fee 600 USD
> • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> Glider Rental:
> Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> lesser extent in Canada.
> Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> Canada.
>
> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
or we can lobby for the same here.
SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
We will be bit more than even.
Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
Ryszard
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> > At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> > >Andy,
> > We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> > and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> > source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> > any willing
> > renters?
> > Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> > Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> > helpful.
> > >
> >
> > Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> > dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> > of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> > Competition Classes:
> > • 18m Class
> > • Handicapped Class
> > Number of Contestants:
> > • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> > from outside the Americas
> > • Maximum 45 entries
> > Cost:
> > • Entry fee 600 USD
> > • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> > Glider Rental:
> > Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> > lesser extent in Canada.
> > Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> > need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> > Canada.
> >
> > https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> > ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
>
> I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> or we can lobby for the same here.
>
> SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> We will be bit more than even.
> Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
>
> Ryszard
US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
UH
On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 11:19:45 PM UTC-6, RW wrote:
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> > At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> > >Andy,
> > We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> > and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> > source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> > any willing
> > renters?
> > Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> > Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> > helpful.
> > >
> >
> > Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> > dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> > of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> > Competition Classes:
> > • 18m Class
> > • Handicapped Class
> > Number of Contestants:
> > • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> > from outside the Americas
> > • Maximum 45 entries
> > Cost:
> > • Entry fee 600 USD
> > • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> > Glider Rental:
> > Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> > lesser extent in Canada.
> > Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> > need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> > Canada.
> >
> > https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> > ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
>
> I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> or we can lobby for the same here.
>
> SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> We will be bit more than even.
> Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
>
> Ryszard
This is not a Soaring Association of Canada fee. It is a Transport Canada fee and us Canadians don't much like it either. TC does not like experimental registered gliders. Almost all gliders in Canada have Standard Type Certificates. If we could change that we would.
Chris
Branko Stojkovic
August 28th 18, 05:18 AM
I think our US friends have a good point here. They should not have to pay extra to be able to compete in an Experimental glider in Canada, given that FAA issues special flight permits to Canadians for free. I have been getting one every year in order to fly my Russia in the Region 8 contest.
I propose that the organizers and/or SAC either persuade Transport Canada to wave the fees or cover 100% of the fees.
Branko
Hi Branco,
All Canadian Gliders possess Type Certificates as the experimental category is not recognized in Canada. It is only the US registered gliders without type certificates that must fulfill this Transport Canada requirement.
Hosting the Pan Americans is an honour however not one without substantial additional costs to the host organization. The host club will pay approximately 2,600 Euros on behalf of the approximately 40 competitors to the FAI in sanction fees. In addition there are requirements for opening ceremonies, closing ceremonies, country flags and the list continues. We want to provide a safe fun contest for our many visitors. We are grateful to all of our North and South American friends who will join us for this contest.
If you would like to talk more about the Pan American contest please feel free to contact me at vthomp"at"rogers.com
Virginia Thompson
Contest Manager 2019 3rd FAI Pan American Championships
Juanman[_2_]
August 28th 18, 04:00 PM
On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 12:18:31 AM UTC-4, Branko Stojkovic wrote:
> I think our US friends have a good point here. They should not have to pay extra to be able to compete in an Experimental glider in Canada, given that FAA issues special flight permits to Canadians for free. I have been getting one every year in order to fly my Russia in the Region 8 contest.
>
> I propose that the organizers and/or SAC either persuade Transport Canada to wave the fees or cover 100% of the fees.
>
> Branko
I encourage you to lobby TC to waive this fee. Another issue is that it is only a temporary permit, so that each time you take the same US experimental glider to Canada you have to pay the fee... But this should not fall on the organizers, any more than paying a glider rental or insurance to fly a glider in the Panams. It's just one more cost.
C-FFKQ (42)
August 28th 18, 04:52 PM
On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:00:18 UTC-4, Juanman wrote:
> I encourage you to lobby TC to waive this fee. Another issue is that it is only a temporary permit, so that each time you take the same US experimental glider to Canada you have to pay the fee...
Not quite right. The permit lasts for one year. So get it at the start of the season and fly up here for 6 months while the weather holds :D
I agree that the fee is a nuisance. At least you get to bring your glider here. I part-own a Twin Lark IS28B2 that aged past 35 years, so we put it into Owner Maintained to keep it flying. Now, the FAA won't let us fly it in the US. Nothing we can do about that.
Now, the FAA won't let us fly it in the US. Nothing we can do about that.
Yes there is. Check the October FAA clarification memo here:
http://www.ssa.org/files/member/FAA%20Memo%20-%20IS-28B2%20-%2010_16_2017%20-%20Signed[2543].pdf
The original "guidance" memo from Gregory A. Davison of the FAA has been negated by this "clarification." Davison's interpretation has been refuted by this document.
C-FFKQ (42)
August 29th 18, 02:52 PM
On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 20:49:04 UTC-4, wrote:
> Now, the FAA won't let us fly it in the US. Nothing we can do about that.
>
> Yes there is. Check the October FAA clarification memo here:
>
> http://www.ssa.org/files/member/FAA%20Memo%20-%20IS-28B2%20-%2010_16_2017%20-%20Signed[2543].pdf
>
> The original "guidance" memo from Gregory A. Davison of the FAA has been negated by this "clarification." Davison's interpretation has been refuted by this document.
Thanks, Mark. Unfortunately, my Twin Lark was put into Owner Maintenance Category in Canada before this notification, essentially stripping it of certification (and the data plate has been X'd out). FAA forbids such an aircraft from flying in the US; importing it to the US is also impossible.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/publications/tp185-6483.html#own
Third paragraph.
Sandhill Soaring Club may have 2-3 members willing to rent their Standard Cirrus gliders to contestants flying in the PanAm Continentals next year. I will get the word out as best I can.
-Chris Schrader
On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 11:52:31 AM UTC-4, C-FFKQ (42) wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 11:00:18 UTC-4, Juanman wrote:
>
> > I encourage you to lobby TC to waive this fee. Another issue is that it is only a temporary permit, so that each time you take the same US experimental glider to Canada you have to pay the fee...
>
> Not quite right. The permit lasts for one year. So get it at the start of the season and fly up here for 6 months while the weather holds :D
>
> I agree that the fee is a nuisance. At least you get to bring your glider here. I part-own a Twin Lark IS28B2 that aged past 35 years, so we put it into Owner Maintained to keep it flying. Now, the FAA won't let us fly it in the US. Nothing we can do about that.
The Foreign Flight Validation I got this year on June 28th says it "will remain in effect until August 31, 2018, the aircraft leaves Canada, or until this authorization is suspended or revoked, whichever occurs
first."
So at most it was for two months. I only requested for the Canadian Nationals. Perhaps if you request for a year they'll give it longer?
RW[_2_]
September 1st 18, 10:55 AM
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> > > At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> > > >Andy,
> > > We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> > > and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> > > source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> > > any willing
> > > renters?
> > > Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> > > Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> > > helpful.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> > > dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> > > of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> > > Competition Classes:
> > > • 18m Class
> > > • Handicapped Class
> > > Number of Contestants:
> > > • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> > > from outside the Americas
> > > • Maximum 45 entries
> > > Cost:
> > > • Entry fee 600 USD
> > > • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> > > Glider Rental:
> > > Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> > > lesser extent in Canada.
> > > Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> > > need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> > > Canada.
> > >
> > > https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> > > ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
> >
> > I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> > or we can lobby for the same here.
> >
> > SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> > All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> > We will be bit more than even.
> > Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
> >
> > Ryszard
>
> US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
> UH
Thanks a lot Hank. My bluff was indented to motivate PanAm organizers to petition Transport Canada for temporary removal of fees.Thanks again.
Now also we know, you don't plan to go so you don't care about fees, but you publicly
stated that US contest committee is so much disconnected from racing pilots
wish. "will NOT" : never say never. 500 signatures , still never ?
I have many Canadian friends, and don't want them to pay any extra fees here.
I was many times invited by my Canadians friends to fly their nationals.
The only reason I didn't go, was their discriminatory extra $100 fee.
Dave,our ASG29 and Canadian ASG29 is the same glider.
FAA calls it experimental.Fee in Canada is only for the name.
If one contest would charge extra $20 for pilots with name Dave, would you still sign up ? It would be nice if you guys at least show us , you tried.
This could open a way to renew petition for every Canadian Nat, could be more fun . Also with this fee comes unpleasant job for organizers of reinforcing Transport Canada discriminatory rule.
Ryszard
September 2nd 18, 01:55 AM
Following that logic US pilots should petition the FAA to eliminate the requirement that foreign pilots flying a US registered glider get their licenses validated and a biannual flight review. This costs quite a bit more than $100 Canadian. Canada does not have a similar requirement.
Good luck with that. And good luck getting Transport Canada to change its rules.
I'd say we're lucky that this simple procedure is ALL that we have to do to fly US experimental gliders in Canada.
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 5:55:41 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> > > > At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> > > > >Andy,
> > > > We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> > > > and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> > > > source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> > > > any willing
> > > > renters?
> > > > Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> > > > Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> > > > helpful.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> > > > dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> > > > of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> > > > Competition Classes:
> > > > • 18m Class
> > > > • Handicapped Class
> > > > Number of Contestants:
> > > > • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> > > > from outside the Americas
> > > > • Maximum 45 entries
> > > > Cost:
> > > > • Entry fee 600 USD
> > > > • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> > > > Glider Rental:
> > > > Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> > > > lesser extent in Canada.
> > > > Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> > > > need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> > > > Canada.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> > > > ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
> > >
> > > I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> > > or we can lobby for the same here.
> > >
> > > SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> > > All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> > > We will be bit more than even.
> > > Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
> > >
> > > Ryszard
> >
> > US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
> > UH
>
> Thanks a lot Hank. My bluff was indented to motivate PanAm organizers to petition Transport Canada for temporary removal of fees.Thanks again.
> Now also we know, you don't plan to go so you don't care about fees, but you publicly
> stated that US contest committee is so much disconnected from racing pilots
> wish. "will NOT" : never say never. 500 signatures , still never ?
> I have many Canadian friends, and don't want them to pay any extra fees here.
> I was many times invited by my Canadians friends to fly their nationals.
> The only reason I didn't go, was their discriminatory extra $100 fee.
> Dave,our ASG29 and Canadian ASG29 is the same glider.
> FAA calls it experimental.Fee in Canada is only for the name.
> If one contest would charge extra $20 for pilots with name Dave, would you still sign up ? It would be nice if you guys at least show us , you tried.
> This could open a way to renew petition for every Canadian Nat, could be more fun . Also with this fee comes unpleasant job for organizers of reinforcing Transport Canada discriminatory rule.
> Ryszard
Dan Marotta
September 2nd 18, 04:11 PM
I couldn't agree more.* I had to pay a Mexican flight instructor who
knew absolutely nothing about gliders to ride along and be "Pilot in
Command" to get my Mexican registered Stemme from Monterrey, Mexico to
Laredo, Texas, USA, a trip of about 110 NM.* I was then legal to fly the
ship all over the USA on my US license until I got it inspected,
certified, and licensed in the US.
Each country has its own requirements regarding registration and
licensing and you simply have to "pay to play".* If you don't want to
pay the premium to fly your Experimental ship in Canada, don't enter the
contest.
On 9/1/2018 6:55 PM, wrote:
> Following that logic US pilots should petition the FAA to eliminate the requirement that foreign pilots flying a US registered glider get their licenses validated and a biannual flight review. This costs quite a bit more than $100 Canadian. Canada does not have a similar requirement.
>
> Good luck with that. And good luck getting Transport Canada to change its rules.
>
> I'd say we're lucky that this simple procedure is ALL that we have to do to fly US experimental gliders in Canada.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 5:55:41 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
>>>>> At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
>>>>>> Andy,
>>>>> We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
>>>>> and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
>>>>> source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
>>>>> any willing
>>>>> renters?
>>>>> Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
>>>>> Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
>>>>> helpful.
>>>>> Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
>>>>> dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
>>>>> of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
>>>>> Competition Classes:
>>>>> • 18m Class
>>>>> • Handicapped Class
>>>>> Number of Contestants:
>>>>> • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
>>>>> from outside the Americas
>>>>> • Maximum 45 entries
>>>>> Cost:
>>>>> • Entry fee 600 USD
>>>>> • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
>>>>> Glider Rental:
>>>>> Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
>>>>> lesser extent in Canada.
>>>>> Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
>>>>> need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
>>>>> ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
>>>> I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
>>>> or we can lobby for the same here.
>>>>
>>>> SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
>>>> All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
>>>> We will be bit more than even.
>>>> Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
>>>>
>>>> Ryszard
>>> US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
>>> UH
>> Thanks a lot Hank. My bluff was indented to motivate PanAm organizers to petition Transport Canada for temporary removal of fees.Thanks again.
>> Now also we know, you don't plan to go so you don't care about fees, but you publicly
>> stated that US contest committee is so much disconnected from racing pilots
>> wish. "will NOT" : never say never. 500 signatures , still never ?
>> I have many Canadian friends, and don't want them to pay any extra fees here.
>> I was many times invited by my Canadians friends to fly their nationals.
>> The only reason I didn't go, was their discriminatory extra $100 fee.
>> Dave,our ASG29 and Canadian ASG29 is the same glider.
>> FAA calls it experimental.Fee in Canada is only for the name.
>> If one contest would charge extra $20 for pilots with name Dave, would you still sign up ? It would be nice if you guys at least show us , you tried.
>> This could open a way to renew petition for every Canadian Nat, could be more fun . Also with this fee comes unpleasant job for organizers of reinforcing Transport Canada discriminatory rule.
>> Ryszard
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Dan, 5J
RW[_2_]
September 4th 18, 04:58 AM
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:55:10 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Following that logic US pilots should petition the FAA to eliminate the requirement that foreign pilots flying a US registered glider get their licenses validated and a biannual flight review. This costs quite a bit more than $100 Canadian. Canada does not have a similar requirement.
>
> Good luck with that. And good luck getting Transport Canada to change its rules.
>
> I'd say we're lucky that this simple procedure is ALL that we have to do to fly US experimental gliders in Canada.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 5:55:41 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> > > > > At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> > > > > >Andy,
> > > > > We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> > > > > and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> > > > > source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> > > > > any willing
> > > > > renters?
> > > > > Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> > > > > Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> > > > > helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> > > > > dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> > > > > of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> > > > > Competition Classes:
> > > > > • 18m Class
> > > > > • Handicapped Class
> > > > > Number of Contestants:
> > > > > • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> > > > > from outside the Americas
> > > > > • Maximum 45 entries
> > > > > Cost:
> > > > > • Entry fee 600 USD
> > > > > • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> > > > > Glider Rental:
> > > > > Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> > > > > lesser extent in Canada.
> > > > > Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> > > > > need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> > > > > Canada.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> > > > > ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
> > > >
> > > > I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> > > > or we can lobby for the same here.
> > > >
> > > > SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> > > > All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> > > > We will be bit more than even.
> > > > Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
> > > >
> > > > Ryszard
> > >
> > > US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
> > > UH
> >
> > Thanks a lot Hank. My bluff was indented to motivate PanAm organizers to petition Transport Canada for temporary removal of fees.Thanks again.
> > Now also we know, you don't plan to go so you don't care about fees, but you publicly
> > stated that US contest committee is so much disconnected from racing pilots
> > wish. "will NOT" : never say never. 500 signatures , still never ?
> > I have many Canadian friends, and don't want them to pay any extra fees here.
> > I was many times invited by my Canadians friends to fly their nationals..
> > The only reason I didn't go, was their discriminatory extra $100 fee.
> > Dave,our ASG29 and Canadian ASG29 is the same glider.
> > FAA calls it experimental.Fee in Canada is only for the name.
> > If one contest would charge extra $20 for pilots with name Dave, would you still sign up ? It would be nice if you guys at least show us , you tried.
> > This could open a way to renew petition for every Canadian Nat, could be more fun . Also with this fee comes unpleasant job for organizers of reinforcing Transport Canada discriminatory rule.
> > Ryszard
Every country in the world honors your license if you fly your ship .
RW[_2_]
September 4th 18, 05:07 AM
On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 11:11:58 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I couldn't agree more.* I had to pay a Mexican flight instructor who
> knew absolutely nothing about gliders to ride along and be "Pilot in
> Command" to get my Mexican registered Stemme from Monterrey, Mexico to
> Laredo, Texas, USA, a trip of about 110 NM.* I was then legal to fly the
> ship all over the USA on my US license until I got it inspected,
> certified, and licensed in the US.
>
> Each country has its own requirements regarding registration and
> licensing and you simply have to "pay to play".* If you don't want to
> pay the premium to fly your Experimental ship in Canada, don't enter the
> contest.
> For 20 years or more Mexicans dont have gliders, For paper pushers in Mexico glider is hang glider .
> On 9/1/2018 6:55 PM, wrote:
> > Following that logic US pilots should petition the FAA to eliminate the requirement that foreign pilots flying a US registered glider get their licenses validated and a biannual flight review. This costs quite a bit more than $100 Canadian. Canada does not have a similar requirement.
> >
> > Good luck with that. And good luck getting Transport Canada to change its rules.
> >
> > I'd say we're lucky that this simple procedure is ALL that we have to do to fly US experimental gliders in Canada.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 5:55:41 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> >>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-4, RW wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:15:06 PM UTC-4, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> >>>>> At 15:46 17 August 2018, Dave Springford wrote:
> >>>>>> Andy,
> >>>>> We'll also be looking for rental gliders for pilots from South America
> >>>>> and with Harris Hill only a few hours away, it is a good potential
> >>>>> source for rentals. Can you pass the word and see if you can find
> >>>>> any willing
> >>>>> renters?
> >>>>> Looking for 18 M, 15 M, Standard and Club Class gliders.
> >>>>> Also anyone at Ceaser Creek that could do the same would be
> >>>>> helpful.
> >>>>> Dates: 14 days late July / Early August 2019 - exact
> >>>>> dates to be announced in 2018 when the schedule
> >>>>> of major US contests is known to avoid conflicts.
> >>>>> Competition Classes:
> >>>>> • 18m Class
> >>>>> • Handicapped Class
> >>>>> Number of Contestants:
> >>>>> • 5 entries per class per country plus up to 5 pilots
> >>>>> from outside the Americas
> >>>>> • Maximum 45 entries
> >>>>> Cost:
> >>>>> • Entry fee 600 USD
> >>>>> • Tows: 50 USD per 2000 ft tow
> >>>>> Glider Rental:
> >>>>> Gliders are available for rent in the USA and to a
> >>>>> lesser extent in Canada.
> >>>>> Note: US gliders registered as “experimental” will
> >>>>> need a permit (approx. cost $100 CAD) to fly in
> >>>>> Canada.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/documents/7_6_3_bid_3rd_f
> >>>>> ai_pan_american_gliding_championships.pdf
> >>>> I hope this $100 Canadians fee will be temporary removed,
> >>>> or we can lobby for the same here.
> >>>>
> >>>> SSA can make every entry of Canadian pilot in US pay extra $100.
> >>>> All US pilots will get this $100 Canadians covered by our SSA.
> >>>> We will be bit more than even.
> >>>> Canadians have to fix it now or forever pay extra $100 for every pilot , every contest on US soil?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ryszard
> >>> US contest committee will NOT be considering any predatory non constructive fees to our Canadian friends. They support our contests and we are glad to have them.
> >>> UH
> >> Thanks a lot Hank. My bluff was indented to motivate PanAm organizers to petition Transport Canada for temporary removal of fees.Thanks again.
> >> Now also we know, you don't plan to go so you don't care about fees, but you publicly
> >> stated that US contest committee is so much disconnected from racing pilots
> >> wish. "will NOT" : never say never. 500 signatures , still never ?
> >> I have many Canadian friends, and don't want them to pay any extra fees here.
> >> I was many times invited by my Canadians friends to fly their nationals.
> >> The only reason I didn't go, was their discriminatory extra $100 fee.
> >> Dave,our ASG29 and Canadian ASG29 is the same glider.
> >> FAA calls it experimental.Fee in Canada is only for the name.
> >> If one contest would charge extra $20 for pilots with name Dave, would you still sign up ? It would be nice if you guys at least show us , you tried.
> >> This could open a way to renew petition for every Canadian Nat, could be more fun . Also with this fee comes unpleasant job for organizers of reinforcing Transport Canada discriminatory rule.
> >> Ryszard
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
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