best glider for new pilots?

[Paolo Guardigli]

Hi everybody,
can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
Thanks to everybody

Paolo

[John Foster]

On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 1:20:08 AM UTC-6, Paolo Guardigli wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
> Thanks to everybody
>
> Paolo

How much money do you have to spend?

[Paul T[_4_]]

At 08:23 29 April 2018, John Foster wrote:
>On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 1:20:08 AM UTC-6, Paolo Guardigli
wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
>> Thanks to everybody
>>
>> Paolo
>
>How much money do you have to spend?
>

Ask your Chief Flying Instructor - they should know what level of skill
you have and what might be most suitable for you. Some gliders are
safe for some but not for others. More modern European gliders have to
meet higher standards of crashworthiness - but having the skill set not
to crash is more important.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 7:20:08 PM UTC+12, Paolo Guardigli wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
> Thanks to everybody
>
> Paolo

As well as the pilot's skills, it also depends on the environment.

In an open flat place with plenty of thermals and many small fields the answer might be something like a PW-5, Ka6, or 1-26.

In another place with no landable farms but long airfields spaced far apart, winds, strong lift and strong sink it might be essential to have a glider with high L/D (and desirable water ballast and high rough air speed).

[Paolo Guardigli]

Il giorno domenica 29 aprile 2018 09:20:08 UTC+2, Paolo Guardigli ha scritto:
> Hi everybody,
> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
> Thanks to everybody
>
> Paolo

My question was referring to the purchase between an standard cirrus and a DG 100
What is your opinion (I mean in general) without any responsability of course

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Cirrus is a great value with similar performance to the DG. The DG is a nicer glider though with a modern cockpit and easier handling for about 8-10k more. Others will stress the importance of a good trailer too.

[John Foster]

How much of a big deal is the pitch instability due to the all flying elevator, for a new glider pilot?

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There is no somple answer to the question, the best glider is the one you can afford. Most glass 15m gliders are fairly easy to fly, if you trained in a glass trainer.
I trained in a first model twin Astir, and have never had an issue converting to other glass gliders.
Points that maybe relevant are, nose hook for aerotow, powerfull airbrakes rather than flap only brakes, and tailplane with elevtor rather than all moving.
Best optionis to try different types before you buy.
In the lower cost glass end, The Astir CS, Libelle and club Libelle, Dg101, ASW19, Pegase, Hornet and Standard Cirrus with fixed tailplane are all good options.
If you can afford it, an LS4 or Discus.
Next comes the Mosquito, Mini Nimbus, DG200 LS3 and ASW20, All easy enough to fly
Generally speaking the newer the glider, the easier to fly.
I recently bought my first glider, having 220 hours, I bought a DG 200/17C.

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Just looking at the flight characteristics, a DG100 with a fixed stabilizer (version DG100G or DG101G) will be the better choice for a pilot with low experience and training. The Standard Cirrus is a nice glider but requires some more attention in flight due to the all-flying tail and the lower pitch stability in general.

[Senna Van den Bosch]

Op zondag 29 april 2018 09:20:08 UTC+2 schreef Paolo Guardigli:
> Hi everybody,
> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
> Thanks to everybody
>
> Paolo

I bought myself a DG-101, single canopy with all flying elevator at 73 solo hours. I do have experience in LS4, Pegase, Twins and some wooden ships. I don't regret buying it, it handles really well. The elevator is something to get used to, but everyone tends to make it scary to start with, but it really is quite all right if you pay attention.

[Nick Kennedy]

Paolo,
Look down the tread list and look for a recent thread titled DG 100 vs Libelle,
Its got alot of good information in there
Good Luck
Get a good trailer!

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The trailer is more important than the plane.
A Cobra is the BEST.
No bashed knuckles.
No cuts on your scalp.
No fiddling with trolleys that won't stay in their tracks.
Parts are available with one phone call.

[Dan Marotta]

That first line is just plain silly.

My Mosquito was a bitch to rig, but its Pfeiffer trailer was well
appointed and worked just fine.Â* The home built tube trailer that housed
my ASW-19 was pure basic, but I rigged and flew that '19 every weekend.Â*
Sure a Cobra is a nice trailer, but you only spend about an hour with it
each soaring day.Â* I'd much rather give away a few points on a trailer
and get the best ship I could afford.

On 4/30/2018 9:38 PM, wrote:
> The trailer is more important than the plane.
> A Cobra is the BEST.
> No bashed knuckles.
> No cuts on your scalp.
> No fiddling with trolleys that won't stay in their tracks.
> Parts are available with one phone call.

--
Dan, 5J

[Paolo Guardigli]

Il giorno domenica 29 aprile 2018 09:20:08 UTC+2, Paolo Guardigli ha scritto:
> Hi everybody,
> can you suggest some good and safe glider to start ?
> Thanks to everybody
>
> Paolo

Thanks everybody the idea is clear now