Soaring Spot

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

Just curious why US contests don't use Soaring Spot?

[Darryl Ramm]

Different rules... Oh this thread is going to be long :-)

[Ron Gleason]

On Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:22:30 UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Just curious why US contests don't use Soaring Spot?

SSA competitions are scored with WINSCORE and publishes results to the SSA website. Furthermore, the SSA website is used for contest registration and allows WINSCORE to easily download information that greatly reduces administration tasks.

Soaring Spot website was established and is maintained by Naviter, the developers of the SeeYou family of products. To utilize Soaring Spot the contest must be scored with SeeYou competition. Currently SeeYou competition supports FAI scoring and rules *not* SSA scoring and rules. Yes SeeYou competition allows customization via scripts but not all SSA scoring and rules nuances can be handled.

IMO at some point the SSA needs to align with the rest of world by adopting the FAI scoring and rules. Yes I have used both to score contests.

Ron GLeason

[Tony[_5_]]

Because no one has scripted the US Rules to work in SeeYou Competition.

[Ron Gleason]

On Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:16:10 UTC-6, Tony wrote:
> Because no one has scripted the US Rules to work in SeeYou Competition.

Not true Tony, it has been tried and somewhere in the low 90th percentile was achieved. MAT's are not supported, out the top of the start cylinder is not supported (though Naviter did provide a special copy of SeeYou Comp for Uvalde but the code never survived), and some distance calculations are different.

It has been a few years so I do not recall all the details.

The US needs to get off their own island and join the rest of the world and use FAI rules and scoring

[Andy Blackburn[_3_]]

Waiting for it...

[[email protected]]

ohhhh Andy, you are waiting for it :) lol see you are not signed up for Ulvade what gives?

[Jim White[_3_]]

At 22:13 22 May 2018, Ron Gleason wrote:
>On Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:22:30 UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>> Just curious why US contests don't use Soaring Spot?
>
>SSA competitions are scored with WINSCORE and publishes results to the
SSA
>=
>website. Furthermore, the SSA website is used for contest registration
>and=
> allows WINSCORE to easily download information that greatly reduces
>admini=
>stration tasks.
>
>Soaring Spot website was established and is maintained by Naviter, the
>deve=
>lopers of the SeeYou family of products. To utilize Soaring Spot the
>conte=
>st must be scored with SeeYou competition. Currently SeeYou competition
>su=
>pports FAI scoring and rules *not* SSA scoring and rules. Yes SeeYou
>compe=
>tition allows customization via scripts but not all SSA scoring and rules
>n=
>uances can be handled.
>
>IMO at some point the SSA needs to align with the rest of world by
>adopting=
> the FAI scoring and rules. Yes I have used both to score contests.
>
>Ron GLeason
>
I think you may be mistaken. See You scores using a user defined script.
Jim

[Jim White[_3_]]

At 23:23 22 May 2018, Ron Gleason wrote:
>On Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:16:10 UTC-6, Tony wrote:
>> Because no one has scripted the US Rules to work in SeeYou Competition.
>
>Not true Tony, it has been tried and somewhere in the low 90th percentile
>w=
>as achieved. MAT's are not supported, out the top of the start cylinder
>is=
> not supported (though Naviter did provide a special copy of SeeYou Comp
>fo=
>r Uvalde but the code never survived), and some distance calculations are
>d=
>ifferent.
>
>It has been a few years so I do not recall all the details.
>
>The US needs to get off their own island and join the rest of the world
>an=
>d use FAI rules and scoring
>
Ron, I think you may be mistaken again. UK comps allow starts out the top
of the start cylinder and See You scores them.
Jim

[Ron Gleason]

On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:00:07 UTC-6, Jim White wrote:
> At 23:23 22 May 2018, Ron Gleason wrote:
> >On Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:16:10 UTC-6, Tony wrote:
> >> Because no one has scripted the US Rules to work in SeeYou Competition.
> >
> >Not true Tony, it has been tried and somewhere in the low 90th percentile
> >w=
> >as achieved. MAT's are not supported, out the top of the start cylinder
> >is=
> > not supported (though Naviter did provide a special copy of SeeYou Comp
> >fo=
> >r Uvalde but the code never survived), and some distance calculations are
> >d=
> >ifferent.
> >
> >It has been a few years so I do not recall all the details.
> >
> >The US needs to get off their own island and join the rest of the world
> >an=
> >d use FAI rules and scoring
> >
> Ron, I think you may be mistaken again. UK comps allow starts out the top
> of the start cylinder and See You scores them.
> Jim

Jim, thanks for the correction, I stand corrected on that point. It has been 5 years since I used SeeYou so things have progressed.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

One really nice thing about Soaring Spot is the ability to download tasks directly from the website. How many pilots have entered a task incorrectly? And why again does the US have different rules than FAI? Just kidding.

[jfitch]

On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> Just curious why US contests don't use Soaring Spot?

There are other reasons not to use See You. It is a remote facility requiring good internet access to use. Some contests in the west are held in locations where this is problematic. Being a remote commercial operation, committing to it places your future in their hands. We attempted to use it for local contests and found support to correct the bugs spotty, and access intermittent. Might be different in Europe, big market, same time zones, etc.

[Ron Gleason]

On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 09:31:50 UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> One really nice thing about Soaring Spot is the ability to download tasks directly from the website. How many pilots have entered a task incorrectly? And why again does the US have different rules than FAI? Just kidding.

Jonathan, can you point me to where/how you can download the daily task? I can see it displayed but not how to download it.

One con to soaring spot is that each IGC file has to be download individually, no way to download all IGC files for a given task or for a given day.

Thanks

Ron

[Tango Eight]

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 12:03:26 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 May 2018 09:31:50 UTC-6, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > One really nice thing about Soaring Spot is the ability to download tasks directly from the website. How many pilots have entered a task incorrectly? And why again does the US have different rules than FAI? Just kidding.
>
> Jonathan, can you point me to where/how you can download the daily task? I can see it displayed but not how to download it.
>
> One con to soaring spot is that each IGC file has to be download individually, no way to download all IGC files for a given task or for a given day.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron

Soaring Spot is like everything else Naviter. Slap dashed together with little thought for usability and no attempt to polish out the rough edges *ever*. L a z y.

Pet peeve: count the clicks as you review results of your favorite contest on Soaring Spot. It'll be a really annoyingly large number. In the US, everything fits all on one page.

T8