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PapaTango of Indiana
May 28th 18, 07:49 PM
I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
Thank you for your time!
Tom BravoMike
May 28th 18, 07:54 PM
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-5, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> Thank you for your time!
Can't you register it as a 'new' home built trailer?
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:54:23 PM UTC-4, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-5, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> > I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> > Thank you for your time!
>
> Can't you register it as a 'new' home built trailer?
That was my back up plan. For home build trailers the state (IN)) require a new vin number application and install, a new "court order title, (timely), an official state scale to verify the weight, and a on site inspection by the police. I have to do all these things after I got the trailer back in state.
George Haeh
May 28th 18, 09:48 PM
My Alberta vehicle and driver registry suggested that they would give me a trailer plate once the selling owner faxed me a bill of sale, which they did. I also had the selling owner contact the original owner to supply a bill of sale (notarized) so that I had a chain of title crossing into Canada.
That did not prevent certain Canada Customs officers from throwing a hissy fit. To their great disappointment the VIN for the plate matched the VIN on the trailer.
Oh yes, the plate on the trailer came from a souvenir shop. The myth was that it was "agricultural equipment" not needing a plate. Will your friendly highway trooper swallow that or call in a flatbed?
Some states have trailer titles and others don't. Some states offer in transit permits and others make it difficult, if not practically impossible, for private parties.
If you do get an in transit permit, it's generally good anywhere in the US and Canada.
If PA won't give you one, maybe a bordering state would.
Moving from Ontario with a newly acquired car on a 10 day temporary permit, I had to get another temporary permit in Manitoba on the way to Alberta.
Good Luck!
Todd
May 28th 18, 10:03 PM
Michigan will issue a PERMANENT plate (around $70) to non-residents. Cost based on weight (so empty everything out) and get certified weight ticket. Then register it as a home built.Check MI Sec of State website for details.
Personally, no one every looks a trailer plates so go get the glider and deal with the plates later.I drive my camper around with out plates all the (don't keep plates on camper as they were stolen once. Some states do not even require plates on non-com trailers. a real mish-mash or laws. (Like KS has no registration as long as loaded trailer is under 2000 lb)
Your bill of sale is good to get your glider home, just make sure it's insured along with the glider.
GB
Retting
May 28th 18, 11:32 PM
And if you’re lucky and have two.........only need one plate......to help the revenuers with less paperwork.
Matt Herron Jr.
May 29th 18, 01:04 AM
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:13 AM UTC-7, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> Thank you for your time!
I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
Will see what happens tomorrow...
Mike C
May 29th 18, 01:54 AM
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-6, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:13 AM UTC-7, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> > I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> > Thank you for your time!
>
> I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
>
> Will see what happens tomorrow...
Similar situation here in that I have a trailer with a Bill of Sale, a current out of state registration and plate. I have to get a Surety Bond and have the trailer inspected by DMV in order to get a valid NM title. A doable hassle that I have done before.
So many trailers, so few titles!
Mike
John Carlyle
May 29th 18, 02:59 AM
PA is a real bugger when it comes to vehicle registration. I do not believe you can get a temporary plate - as far as I know that can only come from a registered dealer. To get the trailer back from PA to IN you need to be creative - do you have a friend in IN who has the same make glider trailer with a valid license?
As far as registering it permanently once it's in IN, I had a Cobra trailer in PA that I successfully registered with bills of sale going in a continuous chain all the way from the fellow I bought it from to Schleicher and finally to Spindeberger. It took a real experienced tag place, but I succeeded in getting a PA registration.
Good luck!
-John
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:49:13 PM UTC-4, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> Thank you for your time!
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:04:40 PM UTC-7, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been
> back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill
> of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer
> and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
>
> Will see what happens tomorrow...
Went through this recently with my purchase from TX. Local (California) DMV office give me the runaround. Lat time in they gave me all the needed paperwork, but wouldn't process it until i returned with a title. Discovered that a nearby small town DMV office was much more laid back, so went there.. Handed in the papers, didn't provide back story and walked out with a plate! :-)
5Z
People really need to consider resale when buying and selling trailers. Hurts the next guy in line if you don't have a title for the trailer.
Papa3[_2_]
May 29th 18, 03:45 AM
Depends a bit on how "creative" you're willing to be. Suffice to say that most officers don't know the difference between a Komet, Cobra, Eberle... you get the picture. Assuming you can come up with a plate for a similar vintage glider trailer in your home state, it's not impossible to believe that plate might somehow end up on the trailer in question long enough to tow it back. Once you have it back home, you can take a bit more time getting everything worked out.
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 6:32:33 PM UTC-4, Retting wrote:
> And if you’re lucky and have two.........only need one plate.......to help the revenuers with less paperwork.
The problem with using one plate on two trailers in Michigan anyway is when the cop checks the serial ## on the manufactures plate, right front side of trailer. If it doesn't match the registration ## they will take that plate = $75 Plus a $150 dollar fine, now you have to replace that plate $75 then buy another plate $75. So that's $350 if he didn't have your trailer towed away to a storage yard you are lucky. The other thing is your insurance wont cover your trailer if its not your trailer, hence your correct registration.
That happened to my buddy and his boat trailer. So now I have now bought plates for all 12 of my trailers, yes 12. But now I'm a legal boy scout.
Glen
Dan Marotta
May 29th 18, 03:24 PM
Sometimes, simply going to another DMV office can solve the problem.* I
had a similar problem registering my trailer, purchased in TX, at the
Moriarty MVD office.* I went to the Tijeras office, the nice lady there
said, "You went to Moriarty, didn't you?* Bring the trailer to me for a
VIN inspection and we'll get you fixed right up."* And she did.* In New
Mexico, there are state run offices and there are contract run offices.*
Maybe that was the difference.
On 5/28/2018 6:04 PM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:13 AM UTC-7, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
>> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
>> Thank you for your time!
> I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
>
> Will see what happens tomorrow...
--
Dan, 5J
Dan Marotta
May 29th 18, 03:25 PM
And, if it's available, get a Permanent license plate.* It costs about
twice what a 2-year plate costs.
On 5/28/2018 6:54 PM, Mike C wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-6, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
>> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:13 AM UTC-7, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
>>> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
>>> Thank you for your time!
>> I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
>>
>> Will see what happens tomorrow...
> Similar situation here in that I have a trailer with a Bill of Sale, a current out of state registration and plate. I have to get a Surety Bond and have the trailer inspected by DMV in order to get a valid NM title. A doable hassle that I have done before.
>
> So many trailers, so few titles!
>
> Mike
--
Dan, 5J
JS[_5_]
May 29th 18, 04:07 PM
I've had to get creative with trailers too many times. It's evident that glider pilots are "not the best" at registering trailers.
If faced with a bad trailer title make a glider/trailer sale contingent on the seller fixing title and registration issues. This should not be the buyer's problem.
Jim
Mike the Strike
May 29th 18, 05:04 PM
I've driven unlicensed trailers a couple of times, including driving them across several states without a problem - insurance is the only thing you need. It would be a very miserable cop who would ticket you for such a minor license plate infraction.
Mike
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
May 29th 18, 05:14 PM
I have met some very nice and reasonable officers, I have also met some "less than wonderful", some depends on why they pulled you over as well as your attitude.
Matt Herron Jr.
May 29th 18, 06:24 PM
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 5:04:40 PM UTC-7, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:49:13 AM UTC-7, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> > I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> > Thank you for your time!
>
> I am having issues with getting registration in California for a Florida trailer. Paperwork has been back and forth to Sacramento THREE times now. Going to the DMV again tomorrow. I had a bill of sale from pervious owner, that included the trailer. He even got new new FL plates for the trailer and I have his FL registration. CA is insisting on a title from FL even though they don't issue them.
>
> Will see what happens tomorrow...
Update: CA DMV now says I need an official letter from FL DMV on their letterhead, stating that they have no title for trailer VIN# ____________________________ Even though CA admits FL don't issue titles for trailers under 2000 lbs. Oh, and they lost my appointment reservation as well. My tax $$ at work...
Glider RN
May 29th 18, 08:19 PM
Some years ago after spending a lot of time running into the frustrating issues expressed in this thread, I used some of the techniques others have suggested to bring my new glider from Baltimore to Indiana.
I then phoned several state license bureaus around the city and thought I had success when one said no problem...just bring the papers and come in. Rushed there and found the "foreign" registration agent on break. When she came back she refused to help me. Got the manager involved. She said it was going to take a long time and cost me a lot of money explaining I needed to get an engine emission test...for the trailer? After I tried to explain in a civil fashion that it was a trailer and had no engine, she fumbled through her pile of papers, handed them to me and said it was my problem. You go figure out what you need to do.
Finally I went to the office in a nearby small town where I found the license bureau folks and the local police officer friendly and helpful. Problem finally solved.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
May 29th 18, 09:07 PM
Yes, as mentioned, which office you use can make a HUGE difference.
Lucky for me, the daughter of my old neighbor works at a local NJ DMV. When I go in for almost anything and she is working, she see's me and waves me up front (****ing off others in the line), but hey, an employee waved me up......
Usually in and out, no drama beyond others in the line.
Papa3[_2_]
May 29th 18, 09:14 PM
FWIW - I had the exact same experience in NJ years ago. I had a BRAND NEW trailer with all of the appropriate DOT forms, invoice from the factory, etc. First location said it would be impossible without all sorts of notarized stuff from the German manufacturer. On a hunch, I went to a rural county where they got it done in about 10 minutes. Turns out they routinely registered Brenderup horse trailers from Europe and were used to the documentation.
YMMV
P3
Tom BravoMike
May 29th 18, 09:35 PM
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 3:14:16 PM UTC-5, Papa3 wrote:
> FWIW - I had the exact same experience in NJ years ago. I had a BRAND NEW trailer with all of the appropriate DOT forms, invoice from the factory, etc. First location said it would be impossible without all sorts of notarized stuff from the German manufacturer. On a hunch, I went to a rural county where they got it done in about 10 minutes. Turns out they routinely registered Brenderup horse trailers from Europe and were used to the documentation.
>
> YMMV
>
> P3
As we talk about our experiences, when I was registering my trailer in MI I was asked to show a proof of the weight. I had the original factory (Cobra) document from Germany (from 1980s), giving the weight in kilograms. The lady at the counter told me: "Ain't kilograms here, has to be pounds". Spindelbeger were very understanding and sent me a new document with kilograms and pounds, and it worked out. I thanked them at the last SSA Convention in Reno and they told me that it's their practice now to give the weight now in both kgs and lbs. So much for the US love for the imperial units.
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> The lady at the counter told me: "Ain't kilograms here, has to be pounds".
Good thing you weren't bringing it in from New Mexico, she might have insisted on customs forms as well.
5Z
Retting
May 29th 18, 11:27 PM
Two trailers...data plates....2 rivets.....drill.....2 screws.......
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 6:27:32 PM UTC-4, Retting wrote:
> Two trailers...data plates....2 rivets.....drill.....2 screws.......
6 trailers
All "homebuilt"
4 homebuilt by Cobra
1 By Eberle
1 by Schweizer
4 plates
All New Jersey cares about is getting the sales tax.
Done
UH
Renny[_2_]
May 30th 18, 12:26 AM
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 4:17:33 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> > The lady at the counter told me: "Ain't kilograms here, has to be pounds".
>
> Good thing you weren't bringing it in from New Mexico, she might have insisted on customs forms as well.
>
> 5Z
Speaking of New Mexico. A few years ago I needed to register a new LAK trailer. When I went to the local MVD office, they essentially thought it was from Transylvania, rather than Lithuania, as they were not at all "familiar" and had never heard of Lithuania. It took perhaps 6 or 7 visits to various MVD offices, both state run and privately run, before I was finally able to convince them that I really was not a vampire (it was daytime after all) and that this was all legitimate. I provided them many documents from the factory and customs and finally convinced them that all was legitimate. Finally, just as we were about to complete the transaction, we ran into the USD-Euro issue. This was critical as they based the NM sales tax on the selling price and the my purchase price was in Euros. I then returned on the next visit with a document that I created showing the conversion rate of Euros to USD based on the ECB exchange rate on the date on the bill of sale. That finally did the trick and I finally secured that "Permanent" New Mexico Registration. It's never a dull moment when trying to register a glider trailer built in "Transylvania...." and no, my name is not Vlad...
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
May 30th 18, 12:59 AM
Are you trying to say you don't suck........blood.......;-)
Crude humor, sorry......
Glad you got it done.....
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:49:13 PM UTC-4, PapaTango of Indiana wrote:
> I purchased a glider. FAA registration was done with the FAA bill of sale, had no problem. The trailer and the glider are in Pennsylvania, have no license plate and have only a 10 years old registration from Florida. It never accrued to me that my Indiana state license office will not accept the FAA bill of sale for the license plate application. Good lesson to you all, to have a separate bill of sale from your own state’s official motor vehicle form. Now, I have to chase the seller from overseas to sign a new form. However, there are more issues. This trailer never had a title being registered in Florida and Indiana will not issue a new license plate without a title and that local bill of sale. Many things could be done if the trailer would be back in my home state. I am trying to tow the trailer home soon and not hand it over to a commercial shipper. You guys must know something how to get a temporary sticker or something from PA. Do I need a temp travel pass from each state that I will cross? How does this work?
> Thank you for your time!
The first thing you need to do when dealing with a government agency(such as the DMV) is to ask what you need for a trailer title. In Florida they require the trailer to weigh 2000 lbs. Next question. If my glider trailer weights 2000 lbs. I can get a title? Answer, yes you can. So go to Home Depot buy enough sand bags to bring your trailer weight to 2000 lbs. Then to the scales and obtain a certified weight and take that back to the DMV and get your title. It works!!
> The first thing you need to do when dealing with a government agency(such as the DMV) is to ask what you need for a trailer title. In Florida they require the trailer to weigh 2000 lbs. Next question. If my glider trailer weights 2000 lbs. I can get a title? Answer, yes you can. So go to Home Depot buy enough sand bags to bring your trailer weight to 2000 lbs. Then to the scales and obtain a certified weight...
Not necessarily. Four months ago I registered my trailer in Florida as a homebuilt with a weight of 740 pounds empty. I received my registration and license place in about 15 minutes. Painless.
Have you considered "modifying" the trailer and registering it as a homemade trailer? The state will make you get it weighed (empty) and want to know dimensions, etc but this is another way to solve your problem.
- Chris Schrader
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 8:04:42 PM UTC-7, rj wrote:
> Not necessarily. Four months ago I registered my trailer in Florida as a homebuilt with a weight
> of 740 pounds empty. I received my registration and license place in about 15 minutes. Painless.
But did you get a *title* for the trailer. If you sell it someone in California without a title, then all the pain in this thread will apply.
5Z
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 11:54:57 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 8:04:42 PM UTC-7, rj wrote:
> > Not necessarily. Four months ago I registered my trailer in Florida as a homebuilt with a weight
> > of 740 pounds empty. I received my registration and license place in about 15 minutes. Painless.
>
> But did you get a *title* for the trailer. If you sell it someone in California without a title, then all the pain in this thread will apply.
>
> 5Z
Many states issue just a registration and plate but no title for trailers. OH is one of them. I had to turn in my PA title of my trailer in exchange for an OH registration and plate.
Moving to SC, I learnt that no plate is required for glider- boat or similar trailers. However, that is only true if one keeps the trailer within the state. When travelling out of state, a plate is required. I only found out about that after I trailered to Parowan, UT twice without being stopped by the highway patrol! It took the buyer of my glider some trials and tribulations to get a KY title and registration. Fortunately, with my old OH registration, he could raise enough information from the OH DOT to convince the KY DOT that all was on the up and up.
Getting a SC title and tag for my current trailer was also a bit of trouble.. The previous owner had imported the trailer factory-new from Germany into SC but never titled or registered it since he had no aspirations of moving the glider out of state. It took a letter of conformity from the OEM (Spindelberger) and the bills of sale to prove the chain of conveyance form the OEM to the first owner to me. I now have the SC title and a permanent trailer tag.
When buying a 'new' ship, don't get blinded by the nice and shiny new toy - take a look at the trailer paperwork as well. I know of at least one sale that fell through because the seller had no documentation for the trailer and the buyer didn't want to go without it!
Uli
'AS'
As John Carlyle posts PA is tough on trailers. I’ve had little help from PennDot. Your best bet is to google “ enhanced safety inspection station in PA” you will find a list of stations listed by county that inspect and issue tags for rebuilt cars, trucks, and home builts. They deal on a daily basis with the out of ordinary and folks that “ skate close to the edge of the pond” if you will. They will be the most accurate real world source of information regarding your situation.
Dan Marotta
May 30th 18, 07:36 PM
No ****!* Our license plate says, "New Mexico USA" in understanding of
the crappy education in this country.
New Mexico - not really new, not really Mexico.
:-[
On 5/29/2018 4:17 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>> The lady at the counter told me: "Ain't kilograms here, has to be pounds".
> Good thing you weren't bringing it in from New Mexico, she might have insisted on customs forms as well.
>
> 5Z
--
Dan, 5J
On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:36:37 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> No ****!* Our license plate says, "New Mexico USA" in understanding of
> the crappy education in this country.
>
> New Mexico - not really new, not really Mexico.
>
I gave my address to a young thing at one of the large semiconductor companies as Rhode Island, she asked: "what state is that in"...
RR
On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:17:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:36:37 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > No ****!* Our license plate says, "New Mexico USA" in understanding of
> > the crappy education in this country.
> >
> > New Mexico - not really new, not really Mexico.
> >
>
> I gave my address to a young thing at one of the large semiconductor companies as Rhode Island, she asked: "what state is that in"...
>
> RR
Next thing, Trump is going to build that wall around 'New Mexico' once he becomes aware of this. It was nice to know you, Dan Marotta!
John Smith
May 31st 18, 03:05 AM
I'd just tow it home, park it and put a Lein Sale on it and let the send out the paperwork after a month. Say you towed if for someone and they never showed up and you've had it for a while.
John
Glad to live in Kansas. I just go to most any RV dealer and get a Kansas under 2M plate and fix it to the back of the trailer. If I kept it in Kansas, I would not bother. But it helps when I go out of state, because many officers in other states don't know that a Kansas trailer under 2000 pounds is exempt from needing a tag. ... Also some nice soaring weather in KS.
OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
May 31st 18, 02:39 PM
I have bought and sold several gliders and many cars/trucks. Both myself, and the buyer, merrily drove away to other states without any license plates. Never had any issues.
Of course, we did have a bill of sale in our hands in case we were stopped. In the glider's case this was both the FAA version and a non-FAA version. The non-FAA version was separately one for just the glider, one for the trailer and one for the instruments. Unsure about that last one being needed but this is how I was taught way-back-when. Taxes I suppose.
My first trailer was home-built and purchased in Michigan. When I took it to Illinois (to a rural DMV, not Chicago!) they were ok with the home-built-ness but asked for the serial number, which it didn't have. So they issued a stick on "plate" that I applied to the tongue. Then they issued an IL title and plates. Really pretty easy. Maybe coming from Michigan was easier for some reason.
- John OHM Ω
Dan Marotta
May 31st 18, 04:23 PM
Hahahahhahaha...........* About what I'd expect.
On 5/30/2018 2:03 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:17:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:36:37 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>> No ****!* Our license plate says, "New Mexico USA" in understanding of
>>> the crappy education in this country.
>>>
>>> New Mexico - not really new, not really Mexico.
>>>
>> I gave my address to a young thing at one of the large semiconductor companies as Rhode Island, she asked: "what state is that in"...
>>
>> RR
> Next thing, Trump is going to build that wall around 'New Mexico' once he becomes aware of this. It was nice to know you, Dan Marotta!
--
Dan, 5J
Paul Agnew
May 31st 18, 05:13 PM
FWIW - you can order trailer ID tags, engraved or blank, from Ebay or Amazon. Putting one on the trailer might help some of you with your local requirements.
Paul A.
JS[_5_]
May 31st 18, 06:01 PM
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 9:13:02 AM UTC-7, Paul Agnew wrote:
> FWIW - you can order trailer ID tags, engraved or blank, from Ebay or Amazon. Putting one on the trailer might help some of you with your local requirements.
>
> Paul A.
Why do so many US glider pilots not have clean title to trailers?
My estimate is 20%.
Jim
John Carlyle
May 31st 18, 06:39 PM
I've had 3 glider trailers, only one of which had a clean title. The other 2 came to me from owners in states where trailers have license plates, but no titles. I think that is the major issue we're seeing.
-John, Q3
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 1:01:20 PM UTC-4, JS wrote:
> Why do so many US glider pilots not have clean title to trailers?
> My estimate is 20%.
> Jim
Papa3[_2_]
May 31st 18, 06:44 PM
Yup. NJ for example does not require a title for trailers under 2500# (i.e. pretty much every glider trailer ever made).
OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net
May 31st 18, 07:19 PM
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 12:01:20 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 9:13:02 AM UTC-7, Paul Agnew wrote:
> > FWIW - you can order trailer ID tags, engraved or blank, from Ebay or Amazon. Putting one on the trailer might help some of you with your local requirements.
> >
> > Paul A.
>
> Why do so many US glider pilots not have clean title to trailers?
> My estimate is 20%.
> Jim
My Michigan purchased homebuilt came without a title. My Illinois home state DOT had no problem with creating one.
What I am picking up here is that each state (from and/or to) has its own nuances/hurdles/insanity on getting the trailer properly licensed/titled.
My bottom line is that I believe I can move the trailer across any state line without either a plate, or a title, as long as I have a valid bill of sale (with phone numbers!). Is that a flawed assumption?
- John OHM Ω
John Carlyle
May 31st 18, 07:59 PM
You're correct - each state has its own hoops for you to get OK with a trailer. Some don't require title or plates, some require plates and registration but give no title, some require a title to get registration and plates.
I can tell you for sure that if you have a PA plate (we only use one) on your tow vehicle and you pull a trailer without a license plate, you will have trouble with the police even if you have a valid BoS (happened to a friend). Might get away with it with non-PA plate(s) on the tow vehicle, but it all depends on the officer you get...
-John, Q3
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 2:19:58 PM UTC-4, OHM Ω > My Michigan purchased homebuilt came without a title. My Illinois home state DOT had no problem with creating one.
>
> What I am picking up here is that each state (from and/or to) has its own nuances/hurdles/insanity on getting the trailer properly licensed/titled.
>
> My bottom line is that I believe I can move the trailer across any state line without either a plate, or a title, as long as I have a valid bill of sale (with phone numbers!). Is that a flawed assumption?
>
> - John OHM Ω
Its incedibly ironic that a country that cant manage the most obvious need for gun laws, where an AR15 can be purchased readily, makes it so Byzantine to buy a trailer.
Only in ‘Murica.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
June 1st 18, 12:55 PM
Well, maybe there needs to be the "NTA", National Trailer Association, to push for trailer reforms. Then, almost anyone can buy and register a trailer whether they need one or not.
;-) LOL......
/sarcasm.....
Valid point though.
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 6:55:43 AM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Well, maybe there needs to be the "NTA", National Trailer Association, to push for trailer reforms. Then, almost anyone can buy and register a trailer whether they need one or not.
>
> ;-) LOL......
> /sarcasm.....
>
> Valid point though.
"Only a good guy with a trailer can stop a bad guy with a trailer". "I'll give you my trailer if you pry is from my cold dead hands".
Bob Whelan[_3_]
June 1st 18, 03:00 PM
> Its inc[r]edibly ironic that a country that can[']t manage the most obvious
> need for gun laws, where an AR15 can be purchased readily, makes it so
> Byzantine to buy a trailer. Only in ‘Murica.
Ha ha! Nice troll! Undoubtedly all true central planning acolytes are in
complete agreement with these sentiments! Others - not so much. There were/are
plentiful/historically-telling - both then and, arguably, more so now now -
reasons our Founding Fathers presented to Britain's ex-colonists proposed
plans for a federal republic for their approval. Some of us - even soaring
pilots - still think they were keen observers of human nature...and pretty
darned intelligent, too. (Thanks, gentlemen!)
'My' state (CO) pretty much follows the 'NJ model' of wanting their pound of
trailer-owners' flesh, while not being bureaucratically obtuse on the
hoop-jumping front. Curiously, my glider trailer is registered as 'homebuilt'
- which, technically, it is - while my utility trailer is registered as
'glider' - which, technically, it ain't. I no longer remember how this came to
be, but everyone was/is reasonably happy about things...and the feds remain
blissfully uncaring about our petty little in-state trailer registration
dealings. I find that no less satisfying than soaring!!!
Bob W.
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JS[_5_]
June 1st 18, 05:54 PM
Does it take a mandate to be organised? In states where a title is not required, it is still possible to get one. A small investment of time and money when you buy or build - in California a $21 option - helps when you sell the trailer.
Jim
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