Again!

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The FAA has just informed us that northern NJ will once again be blessed with the weekend golfing presence of President Trump. Lucky us. This means that for the last eight weekends, we have had ONE weekend when we were allowed to fly. Last year Trump's favored golf club in Florida opened for the season on Halloween. If that pattern holds, we've got two more whole months of this. I honestly don't see how the glider FBOs (two of them in the restricted zone) can survive. And there are a lot more powered flight training and rental operations. 34 airports are affected by the TFRs. Leaving out a few places like Newark, Laguardia, and JFK, that still leaves a lot of businesses hurting bigly.

Jim Beckman

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

I know, I updated your other thread last night.......

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/Dlqb97s6cxA

[Jim White[_3_]]

Thump completely screwed up flying in the UK around the SE when he visited.
And we didn't even want him to come He insulted our PM and our Queen, then
buggered off to his golf plantation in Scotland where he isn't welcome
either. huh!

[Retting]

Brexit off, White
R

[Retting]

And the rest of you, quit your whining. Figure out something, adapt. You got 6 more years+.
The Secret Service calls the shots, not Trump. You glide, he golfs. Get on with it or move in with White.
Knuckleheads.

R

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On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC-4, Retting wrote:
> And the rest of you, quit your whining.

Hey, the right to **** and moan is unalienable. It's right there
in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, or somewhere. Maybe
it has something to do with the business about redress of grievances.
So hey, we've got some grievances here!

Anyway, I don't think any President has spent so much time on
vacation since Calvin Coolidge.

Jim Beckman

[flgliderpilot[_2_]]

> Anyway, I don't think any President has spent so much time on
> vacation since Calvin Coolidge.
>
> Jim Beckman

I didn't realize weekends were vacation time.

You work every weekend?

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Soooo.....I'm going to have dinner soon, so, would I be whining and dining?
;-)

[glidergeek]

Obummer was out here in Kalifornia with his nose up everyone’s butts more than I care to speek too!

[Dan Marotta]

Thank you, Charlie, for adding a little chuckle to this bitching thread.

My gripe is about all the TFRs out west due to wild fires.Â* The
visibility absolutely sucks, only about 40 miles.Â* How can any body fly
through such muck? :-D

On 8/16/2018 2:22 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> Soooo.....I'm going to have dinner soon, so, would I be whining and dining?
> ;-)

--
Dan, 5J

[Chris Rowland[_2_]]

At 19:23 16 August 2018, wrote:
>On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC-4, Retting wrote:
>> And the rest of you, quit your whining.
>
>Hey, the right to **** and moan is unalienable. It's right there
>in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, or somewhere. Maybe
>it has something to do with the business about redress of grievances.
>So hey, we've got some grievances here!
>
>Anyway, I don't think any President has spent so much time on
>vacation since Calvin Coolidge.
>
>Jim Beckman
>

You lot voted for this idiot, in spite of plenty of warnings about what he
was like.

You have got the chump you voted for. It serves you right.

Now get over it and work to stop inflicting him on on all of us for another
four years.

[Ramy[_2_]]

Not all of us voted for this idiot.
Would be nice if he visited the fires instead, it would have not resulted in additional TFRs.

Ramy

[Bojack J4]

Right on, R!

[Bojack J4]

Right on, R! (Retting not Ramy)

[Bojack J4]

Hey Rowland...keep your political spew off ras... unless you want a fight. Now go kiss your queen.

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On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 6:24:50 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Thank you, Charlie, for adding a little chuckle to this bitching thread.
>
> My gripe is about all the TFRs out west due to wild fires.Â* The
> visibility absolutely sucks, only about 40 miles.Â* How can any body fly
> through such muck? :-D

But ooooooh, the lift!

Jim Beckman

[Dan Marotta]

You're right about the lift!Â* One gloomy winter's day back in the 80s
when I was new to gliding and was the only glider up, I climbed over a
burning trash dump.Â* The lift was there, but the smell was, too.

Two weeks ago, enroute from Tucson to Montrose, CO in my Stemme, I was
offered an IFR climb to clear a fire TFR.Â* I'm current on instruments
and the Stemme has a Dynon D10a, but the ship is not IFR certified so I
declined and went around.

On 8/17/2018 6:59 AM, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 6:24:50 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Thank you, Charlie, for adding a little chuckle to this bitching thread.
>>
>> My gripe is about all the TFRs out west due to wild fires.Â* The
>> visibility absolutely sucks, only about 40 miles.Â* How can any body fly
>> through such muck? :-D
> But ooooooh, the lift!
>
> Jim Beckman

--
Dan, 5J

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Glad you liked the chuckle, it was my point.

Our field is not directly affected by these TFR's, I am sympathizing with others that are affected.
We are affected when doing the govenerors cup which is informal with eastern PA and some SE NY sites. The south end is in/near the TFR.
We have dealt with the wedding cake not too far south of us (legally, I can't fly over my house) that covers the "big 3" NY metro airports. This has been so for many decades.
Other than FAA or state aviation intervention, how about we keep who voted for whom somewhere else?
You not in the US, go gripe somewhere else. You get a byproduct, we have to deal with it.

I think the SS could implement a better idea (like the "R" near MASA at camp David) instead of a blanket.



Hmmmmm.....SS.....do they wear black?

[Whiskey Charlie]

Hey at least you now know one weekend that won't be TFR'ed...

Trump just tweeted he will spend Veteran's Day in France!

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On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 2:20:45 PM UTC-4, Whiskey Charlie wrote:
> Hey at least you now know one weekend that won't be TFR'ed...
>
> Trump just tweeted he will spend Veteran's Day in France!

Last year Trump's Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida reopened
on Halloween. After that, he shuns New Jersey and vacations
in Florida. So we have potentially two more months of weekend
groundings this year. So much winning!

I just checked in with the two glider clubs at VanSant Airport
in eastern PA. Nothing much happening there, certainly not on
the weekends. I suspect that the viable options are to either
move to a field farther west, or just sell the gliders and throw
in the towel. I remember (back in the day) when VanSant was a
very active glider port, with two tow planes running steadily
on nice weekends, and occasionally bringing out a third tug.
Part of the problem there came from neighbors objecting to the
noise, even though the field had been there just about forever.
At one point it was going to be sold and split up into big lots
for McMansions, but the county (I think) wised up and preserved
the land as an airport. It's still a lovely all-grass country
airport with biplanes, homebuilts, and gliders. Nothing lasts,
I suppose. Now the FBO there is really struggling to keep their
heads above water. Doesn't really look good.

Jim Beckman

[6PK]

No love lost when it comes to Trump as far as I'm concerned, but in all fairness all previous presidents created TFR'S in the passed.......just saying.

[Charlie Quebec]

Hey Bojack, when you pull your head out of Trumps ass, he won’t kiss you.
Another retardistani jerk.

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On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 4:53:01 PM UTC-4, 6PK wrote:
> No love lost when it comes to Trump as far as I'm concerned, but in all fairness all previous presidents created TFR'S in the passed.......just saying.

True. Although I think the phenomenon of 30-mile TFRs around
the Prez is an artifact of 9/11/2001. And if Trump would visit
NJ for a couple of weeks solid sometime in the summer, that would
be a *lot* easier to live with than this weekend after weekend
routine. That seems to be something new. Anyway, we're just
caught in a bad place, and I don't see any relief in sight.

Jim Beckman

[George Haeh]

I'm waiting for the day when vehicles will be banned in a 3 mile radius of the Pres - 300 yards for pedestrians.

[Paul Agnew]

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/08/donald-trump/renovations-Trump-out-White-House/

FYI...

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On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 2:31:57 PM UTC-4, Paul Agnew wrote:
> https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/08/donald-trump/renovations-Trump-out-White-House/
>
> FYI...

You do realize, I suppose, that the article is a bit over
a year old? Yes, the White House systems were being renovated
*last* summer, and Trump spent over a week in Bedminster, NJ,
at the time.


What this has to do with the present situation is left
as an exercise for the student.

Jim Beckman