Help requested with Soaring Flight Software Comparison Table

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found in
every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
product.

You can view the very preliminary table here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm

The table also shows levels of compatibility with several flight recorders.

Both parts of the table are in need of review. I have done my best first
shot but I'm sure I've missed some key features and may have some of the
compatibility data wrong.

Please review the table and e-mail suggestions or corrections to me.

I sincerely want the table to be a useful resource for glider pilots.

Thank you,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

[Janos Bauer]

What about soaringpilot?:)

Price: free
Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
Differential Final Glide: yes
Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be added
as SUA
US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
Thermal Histogram: no
Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
Climb Maximizer: no

Supported Flight computers, loggers:

B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman

Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average, distance
done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time, speed
to flt, MC calc. etc-etc
Some screenshots can be found on my page:
http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
Regards,

/Janos

[André Somers]

Paul Remde wrote:

> I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
> flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found in
> every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
> product.
>
> You can view the very preliminary table here:
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm

Copying the list from Janos, what about Cumulus?

Price: free, open source
Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: not yet
Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: yes
Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): configurable in upcomming version
Differential Final Glide: ?
Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: yes
US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
Thermal Histogram: no
Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
Climb Maximizer: no

Supported Flight computers, loggers:

Every one that outputs NMEA.

Some more features not mentioned in the table: estimated time of arrival,
elapsed time, speed to flt, terrain elevation, speech interface (in
upcomming version)

Note: Cumulus runs only on PDA's running linux with Qtopia or OPIE. Sharp
Zaurus series PDA's have this by default, and it can be installed on a lot
of other windowsCE/PocketPC PDA's.

Note: Cumulus has nothing to do with Cumulus Soaring, inc.

Some screenshots can be found on our page:
http://cumulus.kflog.org

Regards,

André
Cumulus project leader

[Andy Durbin]

André Somers > wrote in message news:<ch1k2s$j66


>Supported Flight computers, loggers:
>Every one that outputs NMEA.


Full support for a Cambridge 302 requires MC exchange, ballast
exchange, use of airspeed for wind calculation, task declaration, log
download etc.

When completing the matrix let's not assume that the ability to
receive GPS data from a logger implies "support".


Andy

[André Somers]

Andy Durbin wrote:

>>Supported Flight computers, loggers:
>>Every one that outputs NMEA.
> Full support for a Cambridge 302 requires MC exchange, ballast
> exchange, use of airspeed for wind calculation, task declaration, log
> download etc.
>
> When completing the matrix let's not assume that the ability to
> receive GPS data from a logger implies "support".
OK, you are right. For a part of this data there is support or support
underway, and part of it will never be implemented but is implemented in
KFLog/Embedded. But at the moment, there is just support on the PA and Pr
level.

André

[Walter Kronester]

Very interesting table, thank you!
Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm

Best regards
Walter

[Henryk Birecki]

"Walter Kronester" > wrote:

>Very interesting table, thank you!
>Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
>http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
>

I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
the omission makes sense.

Henryk Birecki
(GPS_LOG WinCE developper)

[Paul Remde]

Hi Janos,

That is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. I have added
Soaring Pilot to the comparison table.

However, the list of supported devices is not useful because the table gets
into specifics as to what features are supported with each device.

How can it support a Tasman? Tasman varios don't connect to external
devices.

What is a ReCo?

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Janos Bauer" > wrote in message
...
> What about soaringpilot?:)
>
> Price: free
> Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
> Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
> Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
> Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
> Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
> Differential Final Glide: yes
> Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
> Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
> Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be added as
> SUA
> US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
> In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
> FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
> Thermal Histogram: no
> Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
> Climb Maximizer: no
>
> Supported Flight computers, loggers:
>
> B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman
>
> Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average, distance
> done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time, speed to
> flt, MC calc. etc-etc
> Some screenshots can be found on my page:
> http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
> Regards,
>
> /Janos

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Thanks for the data. I added it to my web site.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"André Somers" > wrote in message
...
> Paul Remde wrote:
>
>> I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
>> flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found
>> in
>> every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
>> product.
>>
>> You can view the very preliminary table here:
>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm
>
> Copying the list from Janos, what about Cumulus?
>
> Price: free, open source
> Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
> Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: not yet
> Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
> Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: yes
> Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): configurable in upcomming version
> Differential Final Glide: ?
> Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
> Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
> Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: yes
> US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
> In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
> FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
> Thermal Histogram: no
> Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
> Climb Maximizer: no
>
> Supported Flight computers, loggers:
>
> Every one that outputs NMEA.
>
> Some more features not mentioned in the table: estimated time of arrival,
> elapsed time, speed to flt, terrain elevation, speech interface (in
> upcomming version)
>
> Note: Cumulus runs only on PDA's running linux with Qtopia or OPIE. Sharp
> Zaurus series PDA's have this by default, and it can be installed on a lot
> of other windowsCE/PocketPC PDA's.
>
> Note: Cumulus has nothing to do with Cumulus Soaring, inc.
>
> Some screenshots can be found on our page:
> http://cumulus.kflog.org
>
> Regards,
>
> André
> Cumulus project leader

[Paul Remde]

Hi Andy,

That is perhaps the most interesting aspect of the table - it shows exactly
how well each software supports each hardware type. But the data is not
perfect yet - I need help!

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Andy Durbin" > wrote in message
m...
> André Somers > wrote in message
> news:<ch1k2s$j66
>
>
>>Supported Flight computers, loggers:
>>Every one that outputs NMEA.
>
>
> Full support for a Cambridge 302 requires MC exchange, ballast
> exchange, use of airspeed for wind calculation, task declaration, log
> download etc.
>
> When completing the matrix let's not assume that the ability to
> receive GPS data from a logger implies "support".
>
>
> Andy

[Paul Remde]

Hi Henryk,

I have added every flight software option I am aware of. Some of them are
somewhat obscure, but I want the table to be as complete as possible. My
goal is to create a resource for glider pilots. Hopefully customers will
appreciate my efforts and buy from me.

When I say that some of the software packages are obscure, I mean that there
may be few pilots using them. I will not name names, but I am not referring
to GPS_LOG which is popular.

Please review the GPS_LOG column on the web site. I'm sure there are many
errors. The table is only as good as the data I receive.

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Henryk Birecki" > wrote in message
...
> "Walter Kronester" > wrote:
>
>>Very interesting table, thank you!
>>Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
>>http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
>>
>
> I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
> comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
> the omission makes sense.
>
> Henryk Birecki
> (GPS_LOG WinCE developper)

[Henryk Birecki]

OK, for completeness here are GPS_LOG WinCE entries to the table. Some
of these cannot be captured in yes/no answers and some entries
immediately bring to mind other entries that should be there like "All
calculations are wind compensated" (answer yes for GPS_LOG), "needed
altitude takes terrain into consideration" (yes again), but then I and
forms never agree:).

Feature GPS_LOG WinCE

Price --- free
Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map ---- no, gives a
list of 8 best reachable sites instead
Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints ---- yes (one turnpoint)
Calculates wind speed and direction while circling ---- "yes, and in
""straight flight"" if data (IAS,heading) available"
Wind speed and direction at several altitudes ---- no
"Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst)" ---- 5 (what do you expect
:) ) - user customizeable
Differential Final Glide ---- yes
Turnpoint Area Task Support ---- yes
Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map ---- yes (with
alarms)
"Topographical Maps (roads, lakes, elevation lines, etc.)" -----
yes
US Sectional Aeronautical Charts ----- no (pretty, but....)
In-flight optimization of OLC flights ------ "displays distance
given number of legs, does not check rule compliance"
FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight ------ no
Thermal Histogram ----- "no, but keeps track of the average climb"
Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once ----- no
Climb Maximizer ------ yes
Thermal Average ------ yes
Terrain Elevation ------ yes


Compatibility with GPS Flight Recorders
PA - Receive position and GPS altitude from the flight recorder
Pr - Receive pressure altitude from the flight recorder
Lg - Download Flight Logs from the flight recorder to the Pocket
Tsk - Make an IGC Approved Task Declaration in the Flight Recorder
Wp - Upload Waypoints and tasks from Pocket PC to Flight Recorder
MC - Exchange MacCready between the Pocket PC software and the flight
recorder
Ps - Tie software password to flight recorder serial number
"S - Edit Setup Parameters in the flight recorder such as waypoint
arrival radius, units, etc."
Flight Recorder or Flight Computer


"""Generic"" GPS (Garmin, Transplant, etc.)" ---- "PA,Pr (Garmin
Summit…)"
Borgelt B50 with Volkslogger ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk(may depend on
wiring), MC (to PPC)"
Cambridge Aero Instruments GPS-NAV ---- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
Cambridge Aero Instruments 302 and 302A ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk, MC (to
PPC)"
Filser LX20 ----- "PA,Pr, Tsk (?? - if the same as Colibri)"
Garrecht Volkslogger ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
LX Navigation Colibri ------ "PA,Pr,Tsk"
"LX Navigation LX160, LX7000" ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
LX Navigation LX1600 ------ "PA,Pr,Tsk"
Scheffel Automation Themi ---- "PA (if NMEA),????"
Westerboer VW921 ----- "PA(this unit does not output GPS
altitude),Pr"
Zander ------ "PA,Pr"

Henryk Birecki

"Paul Remde" > wrote:

>Hi Henryk,
>
>I have added every flight software option I am aware of. Some of them are
>somewhat obscure, but I want the table to be as complete as possible. My
>goal is to create a resource for glider pilots. Hopefully customers will
>appreciate my efforts and buy from me.
>
>When I say that some of the software packages are obscure, I mean that there
>may be few pilots using them. I will not name names, but I am not referring
>to GPS_LOG which is popular.
>
>Please review the GPS_LOG column on the web site. I'm sure there are many
>errors. The table is only as good as the data I receive.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul Remde
>Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
>"Henryk Birecki" > wrote in message
...
>> "Walter Kronester" > wrote:
>>
>>>Very interesting table, thank you!
>>>Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
>>>http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
>>>
>>
>> I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
>> comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
>> the omission makes sense.
>>
>> Henryk Birecki
>> (GPS_LOG WinCE developper)
>

[Paul Remde]

Hi Henryk,

Certainly no table is going to be perfect, but I'm doing my best. Thank for
your feedback.

Does GPS_LOG really have a "Climb Maximizer" similar to WinPilot and Themi
that directs you to the center of the thermal? Cool!

Paul Remde

"Henryk Birecki" > wrote in message
...
> OK, for completeness here are GPS_LOG WinCE entries to the table. Some
> of these cannot be captured in yes/no answers and some entries
> immediately bring to mind other entries that should be there like "All
> calculations are wind compensated" (answer yes for GPS_LOG), "needed
> altitude takes terrain into consideration" (yes again), but then I and
> forms never agree:).
>
> Feature GPS_LOG WinCE
>
> Price --- free
> Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map ---- no, gives a
> list of 8 best reachable sites instead
> Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints ---- yes (one turnpoint)
> Calculates wind speed and direction while circling ---- "yes, and in
> ""straight flight"" if data (IAS,heading) available"
> Wind speed and direction at several altitudes ---- no
> "Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst)" ---- 5 (what do you expect
> :) ) - user customizeable
> Differential Final Glide ---- yes
> Turnpoint Area Task Support ---- yes
> Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map ---- yes (with
> alarms)
> "Topographical Maps (roads, lakes, elevation lines, etc.)" -----
> yes
> US Sectional Aeronautical Charts ----- no (pretty, but....)
> In-flight optimization of OLC flights ------ "displays distance
> given number of legs, does not check rule compliance"
> FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight ------ no
> Thermal Histogram ----- "no, but keeps track of the average climb"
> Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once ----- no
> Climb Maximizer ------ yes
> Thermal Average ------ yes
> Terrain Elevation ------ yes
>
>
> Compatibility with GPS Flight Recorders
> PA - Receive position and GPS altitude from the flight recorder
> Pr - Receive pressure altitude from the flight recorder
> Lg - Download Flight Logs from the flight recorder to the Pocket
> Tsk - Make an IGC Approved Task Declaration in the Flight Recorder
> Wp - Upload Waypoints and tasks from Pocket PC to Flight Recorder
> MC - Exchange MacCready between the Pocket PC software and the flight
> recorder
> Ps - Tie software password to flight recorder serial number
> "S - Edit Setup Parameters in the flight recorder such as waypoint
> arrival radius, units, etc."
> Flight Recorder or Flight Computer
>
>
> """Generic"" GPS (Garmin, Transplant, etc.)" ---- "PA,Pr (Garmin
> Summit.)"
> Borgelt B50 with Volkslogger ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk(may depend on
> wiring), MC (to PPC)"
> Cambridge Aero Instruments GPS-NAV ---- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
> Cambridge Aero Instruments 302 and 302A ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk, MC (to
> PPC)"
> Filser LX20 ----- "PA,Pr, Tsk (?? - if the same as Colibri)"
> Garrecht Volkslogger ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
> LX Navigation Colibri ------ "PA,Pr,Tsk"
> "LX Navigation LX160, LX7000" ----- "PA,Pr,Tsk"
> LX Navigation LX1600 ------ "PA,Pr,Tsk"
> Scheffel Automation Themi ---- "PA (if NMEA),????"
> Westerboer VW921 ----- "PA(this unit does not output GPS
> altitude),Pr"
> Zander ------ "PA,Pr"
>
> Henryk Birecki
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
>>Hi Henryk,
>>
>>I have added every flight software option I am aware of. Some of them are
>>somewhat obscure, but I want the table to be as complete as possible. My
>>goal is to create a resource for glider pilots. Hopefully customers will
>>appreciate my efforts and buy from me.
>>
>>When I say that some of the software packages are obscure, I mean that
>>there
>>may be few pilots using them. I will not name names, but I am not
>>referring
>>to GPS_LOG which is popular.
>>
>>Please review the GPS_LOG column on the web site. I'm sure there are many
>>errors. The table is only as good as the data I receive.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Paul Remde
>>Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>>http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>>
>>"Henryk Birecki" > wrote in message
...
>>> "Walter Kronester" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Very interesting table, thank you!
>>>>Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
>>>>http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
>>> comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
>>> the omission makes sense.
>>>
>>> Henryk Birecki
>>> (GPS_LOG WinCE developper)
>>
>

[Andy Durbin]

Henryk Birecki > wrote in message >...
> "Walter Kronester" > wrote:
>
> >Very interesting table, thank you!
> >Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
> >http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
> >
>
> I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
> comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
> the omission makes sense.
>
> Henryk Birecki
> (GPS_LOG WinCE developper)


The draft table includes free software and software that Paul is not
an agent for. Give him your details and I'm sure he'll add your
software.



Andy

[Paul Remde]

Hi Andy,

Henryk is correct that the first iteration of the table only included the
software I sell and support. But you are correct that I've since added all
the other software packages.

Thanks,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Andy Durbin" > wrote in message
om...
> Henryk Birecki > wrote in message
> >...
>> "Walter Kronester" > wrote:
>>
>> >Very interesting table, thank you!
>> >Please do not forget the free GPS_LOG
>> >http://www.soaringpilotsoftware.com/GPS_LOGpage.htm
>> >
>>
>> I would like it if Paul Remde included GPS_LOG WinCE in his
>> comparison. But the table lists software he sells, so in that context
>> the omission makes sense.
>>
>> Henryk Birecki
>> (GPS_LOG WinCE developper)
>
>
> The draft table includes free software and software that Paul is not
> an agent for. Give him your details and I'm sure he'll add your
> software.
>
>
>
> Andy

[Henryk Birecki]

"Paul Remde" > wrote:

>Certainly no table is going to be perfect, but I'm doing my best.

I agree on that wholeheartedly.

>Thank for your feedback.

>
>Does GPS_LOG really have a "Climb Maximizer" similar to WinPilot and Themi
>that directs you to the center of the thermal? Cool!
>

Well, I do not know what the other software does (never used it), but
GPS_LOG WinCE does go into a mode where it shows you where you should
circle to be in lift. It is a highly enlarged view of track where lift
is color coded and width of line indicates "more than" running average
or "less than" average. It is very effective (even on black and white
screen) for me, but then... I am biased :). Ask GPS_LOG WinCE users.

Henryk

[Henryk Birecki]

Henryk Birecki > wrote:

When listing GPS_LOG WinCE capabilities I made a mistake.

>Cambridge Aero Instruments GPS-NAV ---- "PA,Pr,Tsk"

should be "PA,Tsk"

Henryk Birecki

[André Somers]

Paul Remde wrote:

> Thanks for the data. I added it to my web site.
Thanks for adding Cumulus, altough it's probably in the obscure
category ;-). I will notify you with the changes as new versions are
released.

André

[Chip Bearden]

> Henryk is correct that the first iteration of the table only included the
> software I sell and support. But you are correct that I've since added all
> the other software packages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

This table is a great service and I hope pilots who consult it will,
as Paul hopes, consider buying from him.

I upgraded my flight software this summer from Paul and was impressed
with his response to my post-sale questions/suggestions. After-sales
support is often more erratic than pre-sales hand holding. That was
not my experience with Paul, however.

I was also very grateful when, after my flight recorder failed during
a major contest, he generated a new password so I could use my PDA
with my loaner flight recorder...when I called him from the grid
during his lunch hour! Thanks, again, Paul, for the prompt response.

Chip Bearden

[RHP]

Please see http://www.craggyaero.com/WinPilot%20Freature.htm for an
almost complete list of WinPilot Features. Sorry but the list has
about 100 items and is growing every day.

Richard Pfiffner
www.craggyaero.com





"Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<%kSYc.262569$eM2.821@attbi_s51>...
> Hi,
>
> I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
> flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found in
> every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
> product.
>
> You can view the very preliminary table here:
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm
>
> The table also shows levels of compatibility with several flight recorders.
>
> Both parts of the table are in need of review. I have done my best first
> shot but I'm sure I've missed some key features and may have some of the
> compatibility data wrong.
>
> Please review the table and e-mail suggestions or corrections to me.
>
> I sincerely want the table to be a useful resource for glider pilots.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

[Paul Remde]

Hi Chip,

Thanks for the kind words. I do my best to be helpful. I'm sure from time
to time customers will reach me when I'm tired or swamped with work and come
to the conclusion (from my tone) that I don't care or I don't have time for
them. I suppose that is true for all of us. If nothing else, I do mean
well.... Notes like yours below help keep me motivated and happy.
Thanks!!!!

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Chip Bearden" > wrote in message
om...
>> Henryk is correct that the first iteration of the table only included the
>> software I sell and support. But you are correct that I've since added
>> all
>> the other software packages.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul Remde
>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> This table is a great service and I hope pilots who consult it will,
> as Paul hopes, consider buying from him.
>
> I upgraded my flight software this summer from Paul and was impressed
> with his response to my post-sale questions/suggestions. After-sales
> support is often more erratic than pre-sales hand holding. That was
> not my experience with Paul, however.
>
> I was also very grateful when, after my flight recorder failed during
> a major contest, he generated a new password so I could use my PDA
> with my loaner flight recorder...when I called him from the grid
> during his lunch hour! Thanks, again, Paul, for the prompt response.
>
> Chip Bearden

[Paul Remde]

Hi Richard,

I've seen the list. It is impressive to be sure. The tough part in my
opinion it to create a comparison table that doesn't list 1000 "standard"
features that all the programs offer. I'm trying to avoid "information
overload". I am also trying to avoid listing items that are minor items or
items that don't easily compare with other products. Anything that is a
major advantage will be highlighted of course. I'm trying extremely hard to
avoid playing favorites so I appreciate any feedback you can offer.

I'll try to pull useful data and a few additional comparison points from the
WinPilot features list.

Can you help me fill in the compatibility chart? I can't find that much
detail on the WinPilot pages.

Thanks,

Paul Remde

"RHP" > wrote in message
om...
> Please see http://www.craggyaero.com/WinPilot%20Freature.htm for an
> almost complete list of WinPilot Features. Sorry but the list has
> about 100 items and is growing every day.
>
> Richard Pfiffner
> www.craggyaero.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
> news:<%kSYc.262569$eM2.821@attbi_s51>...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm taking on the tough task of creating a comparison table for soaring
>> flight software. Of course I can't mention every single features found
>> in
>> every product, so I'm trying to hit the unique features found in each
>> product.
>>
>> You can view the very preliminary table here:
>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/software-ppc.htm
>>
>> The table also shows levels of compatibility with several flight
>> recorders.
>>
>> Both parts of the table are in need of review. I have done my best first
>> shot but I'm sure I've missed some key features and may have some of the
>> compatibility data wrong.
>>
>> Please review the table and e-mail suggestions or corrections to me.
>>
>> I sincerely want the table to be a useful resource for glider pilots.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Paul Remde
>> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

[Matthew Hoover]

I was looking through your features list and have a couple of answers
that may be helpful.

The tasman t1000 has support for an additional vario so I presume this
is where they are retreiving the altitude info. Just a guess though.
I am not sure what a ReCo is.

The program will parse pressure altitude information from Volkslogger,
C302 Garmin, Colibri Reco and Tasman. At least there is a dropdown
list in one of the setup pages for altitude selection. I do know it
works with a Volkslogger as this is what I use.

It will also read information from several flight computers. I am
unsure of their level of support as I have not used any of them. I am
guessing that the promram retrieves information such as bugs setting
MC setting and bugs potential. Only a guess though. The computers in
the dropdown list are B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50/Colibri combo,
Ique and Tasman.

Additionally with a C302 it can be used to transfer waypoints,
glider/polar information, pilot information and transfer flights from
the logger to removeable memory card. It also has support for task
declaration for firmware version 2.63 in the 302.

There is also support for a terrain database. It can with this
information tell elevation AGL. Although there was discussion about
FGA over terrain, I am uncertain if this has been implemented or not
and if there are plans to do it in the future.

Although it will not display a top down view of an IGC file or
playback a flight, it will show a profile view of the baro over
terrain.

Hopes this helps a little.

SEE YA!!!

Matthew Hoover


"Paul Remde" > wrote in message news:<RYoZc.14863$_g7.8912@attbi_s52>...
> Hi Janos,
>
> That is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. I have added
> Soaring Pilot to the comparison table.
>
> However, the list of supported devices is not useful because the table gets
> into specifics as to what features are supported with each device.
>
> How can it support a Tasman? Tasman varios don't connect to external
> devices.
>
> What is a ReCo?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
>
> "Janos Bauer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What about soaringpilot?:)
> >
> > Price: free
> > Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
> > Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
> > Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
> > Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
> > Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
> > Differential Final Glide: yes
> > Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
> > Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
> > Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be added as
> > SUA
> > US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
> > In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
> > FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
> > Thermal Histogram: no
> > Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
> > Climb Maximizer: no
> >
> > Supported Flight computers, loggers:
> >
> > B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman
> >
> > Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average, distance
> > done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time, speed to
> > flt, MC calc. etc-etc
> > Some screenshots can be found on my page:
> > http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
> > Regards,
> >
> > /Janos

[David]

I use Henryk's software exclusively and
in my opinion the feature Henryk mentions
can definitely be called a "Climb Maximizer".

One very quick glance per turn, very effective in
assisting in finding and staying in the core
of the thermal.

David


Henryk Birecki > wrote in message >...
> "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> >Certainly no table is going to be perfect, but I'm doing my best.
>
> I agree on that wholeheartedly.
>
> >Thank for your feedback.
>
> >
> >Does GPS_LOG really have a "Climb Maximizer" similar to WinPilot and Themi
> >that directs you to the center of the thermal? Cool!
> >
>
> Well, I do not know what the other software does (never used it), but
> GPS_LOG WinCE does go into a mode where it shows you where you should
> circle to be in lift. It is a highly enlarged view of track where lift
> is color coded and width of line indicates "more than" running average
> or "less than" average. It is very effective (even on black and white
> screen) for me, but then... I am biased :). Ask GPS_LOG WinCE users.
>
> Henryk

[Bob Korves]

I think Henryk is talking about RICO (Redwood Instrument Company)who made
varios in the San Francisco bay area some years ago. The company was owned
and operated by Pete and Eunice Newgard (EP). AFAIK they now only make
medical equipment, in the Seattle area. I'll bet it's more profitable,
too...
-Bob

"Matthew Hoover" > wrote in message
m...
> I was looking through your features list and have a couple of answers
> that may be helpful.
>
> The tasman t1000 has support for an additional vario so I presume this
> is where they are retreiving the altitude info. Just a guess though.
> I am not sure what a ReCo is.
>
> The program will parse pressure altitude information from Volkslogger,
> C302 Garmin, Colibri Reco and Tasman. At least there is a dropdown
> list in one of the setup pages for altitude selection. I do know it
> works with a Volkslogger as this is what I use.
>
> It will also read information from several flight computers. I am
> unsure of their level of support as I have not used any of them. I am
> guessing that the promram retrieves information such as bugs setting
> MC setting and bugs potential. Only a guess though. The computers in
> the dropdown list are B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50/Colibri combo,
> Ique and Tasman.
>
> Additionally with a C302 it can be used to transfer waypoints,
> glider/polar information, pilot information and transfer flights from
> the logger to removeable memory card. It also has support for task
> declaration for firmware version 2.63 in the 302.
>
> There is also support for a terrain database. It can with this
> information tell elevation AGL. Although there was discussion about
> FGA over terrain, I am uncertain if this has been implemented or not
> and if there are plans to do it in the future.
>
> Although it will not display a top down view of an IGC file or
> playback a flight, it will show a profile view of the baro over
> terrain.
>
> Hopes this helps a little.
>
> SEE YA!!!
>
> Matthew Hoover
>
>
> "Paul Remde" > wrote in message
news:<RYoZc.14863$_g7.8912@attbi_s52>...
> > Hi Janos,
> >
> > That is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. I have added
> > Soaring Pilot to the comparison table.
> >
> > However, the list of supported devices is not useful because the table
gets
> > into specifics as to what features are supported with each device.
> >
> > How can it support a Tasman? Tasman varios don't connect to external
> > devices.
> >
> > What is a ReCo?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul Remde
> > Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
> > http://www.cumulus-soaring.com
> >
> > "Janos Bauer" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > What about soaringpilot?:)
> > >
> > > Price: free
> > > Reachable airports are highlighted on the moving map: yes
> > > Final Glide Around Multiple Waypoints: yes
> > > Calculates wind speed and direction while circling: yes
> > > Wind speed and direction at several altitudes: not yet
> > > Large Fonts (5 is best, 1 is worst): ~4
> > > Differential Final Glide: yes
> > > Turnpoint Area Task Support: ?
> > > Special Use Airspace displayed on moving map: yes
> > > Topographical Maps roads, lakes, etc.: no, but if needed could be
added as
> > > SUA
> > > US Sectional Aeronautical Charts: no
> > > In-flight optimization of OLC flights: no
> > > FAI 28% Rule Turnpoint areas displayed in flight: no
> > > Thermal Histogram: no
> > > Tracks statistics for multiple tasks at once: no
> > > Climb Maximizer: no
> > >
> > > Supported Flight computers, loggers:
> > >
> > > B50, C302, Colibri, EW, ReCo, B50&Colibri, IQue, Tasman
> > >
> > > Some more features not mentioned in the table: thermal average,
distance
> > > done on task, avg speed, estimated time of arrival, elapsed time,
speed to
> > > flt, MC calc. etc-etc
> > > Some screenshots can be found on my page:
> > > http://bauerj.fw.hu/soarpilot
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > /Janos

[fw.unt]

Hi

There is also a free software under http://www.xcsoar.com/. They
haven't much done in the last month, but if it works on you IPAQ (eg
my 3660) it is worth to see. Fast and easy to setup; uses normal
database from the internet. There is no manual and maybe next year
they want some money for it.

Cheers FW.