No wonder the French like him so much.

[Slingsby]

OPINION


Kerry's October surprise
Friday, October 29, 2004
How's this for an October surprise?

While John Kerry is running around claiming President George Bush and
our troops overseas failed the American people by not guarding an
explosives dump without explosives in it, documents have been
uncovered at Texas Tech University that show Kerry was following
Vietnam War protest guidelines from North Vietnamese communists in the
early 1970s.

"Wait! Why am I not seeing any of this in the national news media, Mr.
Gaylon?" you might be asking. "This cannot be true. Our Democrat
candidate for president surely wasn't on the side of the communists
and carrying out their requests when he got home from valiantly
fighting for his country and winning all those medals, was he?"

Yes, he was.

The documents -- which actually LOOK like they came from the 1970s and
not from a Microsoft Word program -- were found at the Vietnam Center
at Texas Tech University in Lubbock and reproduced from captured
communist records. These documents have been PROVEN 100 percent
authentic BEFORE their release, unlike those 60 Minutes National Guard
documents that CBS refuses to investigate. They show that Madame
Nguyen Thi Binh, the Viet Cong provisional governor of South Vietnam
at the Paris Peace Talks, delivered a plan from Le Duc Tho -- Ho Chi
Minh's second in command -- for American anti-war activities that
anti-war protesters followed to the letter.

These documents are available at www.worldnetdaily.com or
www.wintersoldier.com and show anti-war protesters not only received
approval from the communists in North Vietnam, but also their
direction. One of the documents states, "The spontaneous antiwar
movements in the U.S. have received assistance and guidance from the
friendly (i.e. communist Vietnamese) delegations at the Paris Peace
Talks."

Another article at www.nysun.com/article/3756 also reflects on the
North Vietnamese anti-war coordination with protest groups.

By the way, Madame Binh subsequently became the Minister of
Information for the People's Republic of Vietnam after Saigon fell.
You know what "Minister of Information" means in communist countries,
right?

Of these organizations, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the
communist organizations Peoples Committee for Peace and Justice and
National Peace Action Committee were represented at the talks. Some
representatives of these groups had their airfare covered by the
United States Communist Party.

Shortly after Kerry returned from the talks he delivered Madame Binh's
peace proposal through a press conference on July 22, 1971. He did so
with veterans' families around him, a tactic that was suggested by the
communists. However, he said he only attended the peace talks because
he was on his honeymoon in Paris.

There are two problems, Hanoi John met twice, and possibly thrice,
with communist officials in Paris. Also, his honeymoon was spent at
the Jamaica home of the Pershing family with then (other) heiress
wife, Julia Thorne, in 1970. I suppose Paris was a second honeymoon.

Kerry had also met illegally with Binh in 1970 while he was still a
Naval officer on inactive reserve status, and in fact, all his
meetings were under the six-year window of the term of his enlistment.
This precludes him from even running for elective office, much less
president, but nobody is mentioning it for some reason. Amendment 14,
Section 3 states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in
Congress, or elector of President and Vice-president, having
previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United
States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Other documents show the Hanoi plan for war protests, which was
basically accepted and carried out by PCPJ, NPAC and VVAW and other
protest groups, which eventually forced a vastly superior military
force to capitulate to a sniveling gang of thugs because of propaganda
and lies.

It was John Kerry's finest hour.

So Kerry's earnest presidential campaign begins and ends the same
place it started: Vietnam. And the whole way, the national liberal
news media have ignored his crimes. They are overlooking this new
evidence while inflating a bogus charge from the United Nations
against the president during a time of war. Kerry is helping spread
the lie, again, working against his government for his own purposes.

Those who think this man is even an American -- much less are willing
to vote for him -- ought to have their heads examined. But then again,
so few people on the left even know what it means to BE American
anymore that I doubt Kerry's activities alarm, surprise or offend
them. There is a growing body in the Democrat Party that sees nothing
wrong with subservience to the United Nations on any and all issues.
For them, Kerry must be a revelation.

But for Americans who do not trust an organization so guilty of greed,
glorification of communism, thuggery, deception, virulent
anti-Semitism and corruption, Kerry is anathema. His pursuit of the
presidency should never have been allowed, but for all the left-wing
propagandists in the media. They've refused to do their jobs and we're
paying the price with a lousy, traitorous Democrat candidate.

John Kerry took the direction of a foreign government in protesting
one war and now he's doing it again. This time, as with the last, he
is a willing puppet of people opposed to American strength.

John Kerry is on the wrong side again, folks. I hope on Nov. 2 you're
on the right one.

Gaylon Parker can be reached at or
(228) 875-8144.

[Vaughn Simon]

"Slingsby" > wrote in message
om...
....some OT stuff about US electoral politics.

It would be really nice if RAS could remain a politics-free zone. The
rest if the Usenet is polluted with OT political spam, so if you like like
that sort of thing there are thousands of places to find it.

Since soaring is an international sport and RAS is an international
place, the reference to the French was particularly uncalled for.

Vaughn

[Gary Boggs]

Take this kind of stuff to another web site please.

This is for soaring, not USA politics!


"Slingsby" > wrote in message
om...
> OPINION
>
>
> Kerry's October surprise
> Friday, October 29, 2004
> How's this for an October surprise?
>
> While John Kerry is running around claiming President George Bush and
> our troops overseas failed the American people by not guarding an
> explosives dump without explosives in it, documents have been
> uncovered at Texas Tech University that show Kerry was following
> Vietnam War protest guidelines from North Vietnamese communists in the
> early 1970s.
>
> "Wait! Why am I not seeing any of this in the national news media, Mr.
> Gaylon?" you might be asking. "This cannot be true. Our Democrat
> candidate for president surely wasn't on the side of the communists
> and carrying out their requests when he got home from valiantly
> fighting for his country and winning all those medals, was he?"
>
> Yes, he was.
>
> The documents -- which actually LOOK like they came from the 1970s and
> not from a Microsoft Word program -- were found at the Vietnam Center
> at Texas Tech University in Lubbock and reproduced from captured
> communist records. These documents have been PROVEN 100 percent
> authentic BEFORE their release, unlike those 60 Minutes National Guard
> documents that CBS refuses to investigate. They show that Madame
> Nguyen Thi Binh, the Viet Cong provisional governor of South Vietnam
> at the Paris Peace Talks, delivered a plan from Le Duc Tho -- Ho Chi
> Minh's second in command -- for American anti-war activities that
> anti-war protesters followed to the letter.
>
> These documents are available at www.worldnetdaily.com or
> www.wintersoldier.com and show anti-war protesters not only received
> approval from the communists in North Vietnam, but also their
> direction. One of the documents states, "The spontaneous antiwar
> movements in the U.S. have received assistance and guidance from the
> friendly (i.e. communist Vietnamese) delegations at the Paris Peace
> Talks."
>
> Another article at www.nysun.com/article/3756 also reflects on the
> North Vietnamese anti-war coordination with protest groups.
>
> By the way, Madame Binh subsequently became the Minister of
> Information for the People's Republic of Vietnam after Saigon fell.
> You know what "Minister of Information" means in communist countries,
> right?
>
> Of these organizations, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the
> communist organizations Peoples Committee for Peace and Justice and
> National Peace Action Committee were represented at the talks. Some
> representatives of these groups had their airfare covered by the
> United States Communist Party.
>
> Shortly after Kerry returned from the talks he delivered Madame Binh's
> peace proposal through a press conference on July 22, 1971. He did so
> with veterans' families around him, a tactic that was suggested by the
> communists. However, he said he only attended the peace talks because
> he was on his honeymoon in Paris.
>
> There are two problems, Hanoi John met twice, and possibly thrice,
> with communist officials in Paris. Also, his honeymoon was spent at
> the Jamaica home of the Pershing family with then (other) heiress
> wife, Julia Thorne, in 1970. I suppose Paris was a second honeymoon.
>
> Kerry had also met illegally with Binh in 1970 while he was still a
> Naval officer on inactive reserve status, and in fact, all his
> meetings were under the six-year window of the term of his enlistment.
> This precludes him from even running for elective office, much less
> president, but nobody is mentioning it for some reason. Amendment 14,
> Section 3 states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in
> Congress, or elector of President and Vice-president, having
> previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United
> States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
> same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
>
> Other documents show the Hanoi plan for war protests, which was
> basically accepted and carried out by PCPJ, NPAC and VVAW and other
> protest groups, which eventually forced a vastly superior military
> force to capitulate to a sniveling gang of thugs because of propaganda
> and lies.
>
> It was John Kerry's finest hour.
>
> So Kerry's earnest presidential campaign begins and ends the same
> place it started: Vietnam. And the whole way, the national liberal
> news media have ignored his crimes. They are overlooking this new
> evidence while inflating a bogus charge from the United Nations
> against the president during a time of war. Kerry is helping spread
> the lie, again, working against his government for his own purposes.
>
> Those who think this man is even an American -- much less are willing
> to vote for him -- ought to have their heads examined. But then again,
> so few people on the left even know what it means to BE American
> anymore that I doubt Kerry's activities alarm, surprise or offend
> them. There is a growing body in the Democrat Party that sees nothing
> wrong with subservience to the United Nations on any and all issues.
> For them, Kerry must be a revelation.
>
> But for Americans who do not trust an organization so guilty of greed,
> glorification of communism, thuggery, deception, virulent
> anti-Semitism and corruption, Kerry is anathema. His pursuit of the
> presidency should never have been allowed, but for all the left-wing
> propagandists in the media. They've refused to do their jobs and we're
> paying the price with a lousy, traitorous Democrat candidate.
>
> John Kerry took the direction of a foreign government in protesting
> one war and now he's doing it again. This time, as with the last, he
> is a willing puppet of people opposed to American strength.
>
> John Kerry is on the wrong side again, folks. I hope on Nov. 2 you're
> on the right one.
>
> Gaylon Parker can be reached at or
> (228) 875-8144.

[[email protected]]

Slingsby wrote:
> OPINION
>
>
> Kerry's October surprise
> Friday, October 29, 2004
> How's this for an October surprise?
>
> While John Kerry is running around claiming President George Bush and
> our troops overseas failed the American people by not guarding an
> explosives dump without explosives in it, documents have been

The only politician to criticize our troops is Rudy Giuliani you
numbskull.

There's plenty of other forums where you and your fellow wingnuts can
jerk each other off. This forum is for glider pilots, including the
French ones who regularly kick our asses in international competitions.

[Mal]

It cant be that hard to find a towel head with a AK47 two tin cans and a
piece of string.

All your best minds must be writing brain washing propaganda for holyweird
or election speeches.

Get of your soap box's and find the prick so we can enjoy flying and
freedom.

The French are terrorists they bombed the rainbow warrior and what happened
to Lady Dianna ?

Mal


> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Slingsby wrote:
>> OPINION
>>
>>
>> Kerry's October surprise
>> Friday, October 29, 2004
>> How's this for an October surprise?
>>
>> While John Kerry is running around claiming President George Bush and
>> our troops overseas failed the American people by not guarding an
>> explosives dump without explosives in it, documents have been
>
> The only politician to criticize our troops is Rudy Giuliani you
> numbskull.
>
> There's plenty of other forums where you and your fellow wingnuts can
> jerk each other off. This forum is for glider pilots, including the
> French ones who regularly kick our asses in international competitions.
>

[Libelle201]

> The French are terrorists they bombed the rainbow warrior and what happened
> to Lady Dianna ?

- Terrorists? It would be nice if got out of your redneck state once a
while, stop watching CNN news and get a brain transplant (even a
pigeon will do in your case), after all US attacked an independent
country in the name of something that turned out to be LIES! Now US is
occupying a independent country, trying to form a so called democratic
government...These people by all means are the freedom fighters, and
so you want to talk about terrorism?

[goneill]

I would not be too fast at dismissing the notion that the
bombing of the Rainbow warrior was not a terrorist act .
My wifes cousin Barry was the lead scientist who
( like your TV program CSI) who put together the evidence
to convict those two that were caught so I know a lot more
than the average person about the case.

"A group without warning organised and perpetuated an attack
on an unarmed vessel in our port !"

There is NO difference to the "911" attacks with aircraft or the
bombing of the goverment building with the truck bomb that
blew the front off it in the US.

The connection to the French is clear "an French active military
service unit worked as a team to do the bombing"
I cannot say to much more because there are "STILL ACTIVE
ARREST WARRANTS" for the other members of that team
all of whom continued in military service after the attack and
most of them received promotions and increased responsibility
in the French military services.Obvious protective measures
were taken by french military to prevent an Israeli type of
kidnap and bring to those members to NZ to stand trial.
gary



"Libelle201" > wrote in message
m...
>> The French are terrorists they bombed the rainbow warrior and what
>> happened
>> to Lady Dianna ?
>
> - Terrorists? It would be nice if got out of your redneck state once a
> while, stop watching CNN news and get a brain transplant (even a
> pigeon will do in your case), after all US attacked an independent
> country in the name of something that turned out to be LIES! Now US is
> occupying a independent country, trying to form a so called democratic
> government...These people by all means are the freedom fighters, and
> so you want to talk about terrorism?

[Mal]

Australia does not have CNN I do not view TV we have states and territory's
here no rednecks mostly very well educated we do have a few ferals however.

Yes and the Australian government must watch too much CIA you call it CNN.

Have they finished rigging the current US election yet.

I never went to a protest in my life until
http://www.mals.net/nwp/pages/DSC00161.htm great banner best ever seen.

Little Johnny is our brain washed PM I am sure he has CNN

I was born into and lived next door of many countries that had terrorists
they had AK47's half my friends are dead due to terrorists talk about it I
lived it for my first 11 years on this earth.

How do you tell a politician is lying his lips are moving.

If you poke a stick at a snake it will bite you even a redneck could tell
you that.

GWB is up to no good the fish rots from the head first.


"Libelle201" > wrote in message
m...
>> The French are terrorists they bombed the rainbow warrior and what
>> happened
>> to Lady Dianna ?
>
> - Terrorists? It would be nice if got out of your redneck state once a
> while, stop watching CNN news and get a brain transplant (even a
> pigeon will do in your case), after all US attacked an independent
> country in the name of something that turned out to be LIES! Now US is
> occupying a independent country, trying to form a so called democratic
> government...These people by all means are the freedom fighters, and
> so you want to talk about terrorism?

[Robert Danewid]

Cumulus knows no frontiers, they go everywhere abd belongs to everyone.

Please do not damage our international brotherhood, I do not care
sharing a thermal with a muslim, a bhuddist or an American or even a
Swedish socialist!

/Robert
Swedish glider pilot

Mal wrote:
> Australia does not have CNN I do not view TV we have states and territory's
> here no rednecks mostly very well educated we do have a few ferals however.
>
> Yes and the Australian government must watch too much CIA you call it CNN.
>
> Have they finished rigging the current US election yet
>
> I never went to a protest in my life until
> http://www.mals.net/nwp/pages/DSC00161.htm great banner best ever seen.
>
> Little Johnny is our brain washed PM I am sure he has CNN
>
> I was born into and lived next door of many countries that had terrorists
> they had AK47's half my friends are dead due to terrorists talk about it I
> lived it for my first 11 years on this earth.
>
> How do you tell a politician is lying his lips are moving.
>
> If you poke a stick at a snake it will bite you even a redneck could tell
> you that.
>
> GWB is up to no good the fish rots from the head first.
>
>
> "Libelle201" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>>The French are terrorists they bombed the rainbow warrior and what
>>>happened
>>>to Lady Dianna ?
>>
>>- Terrorists? It would be nice if got out of your redneck state once a
>>while, stop watching CNN news and get a brain transplant (even a
>>pigeon will do in your case), after all US attacked an independent
>>country in the name of something that turned out to be LIES! Now US is
>>occupying a independent country, trying to form a so called democratic
>>government...These people by all means are the freedom fighters, and
>>so you want to talk about terrorism?
>
>
>

[Slingsby]

Kerry's 'evolution'
Charles Krauthammer
October 29, 2004

WASHINGTON -- In the 1990s, Afghanistan was allowed to fall to the
Taliban and become the global center for the training, indoctrination
and seeding of jihadists around the world -- including the mass
murderers of 9/11. This week, just three years after a two-month war
that destroyed the Taliban, Afghanistan completed its first free
election, choosing as president a pro-American democrat enjoying
legitimacy and wide popular support.

This represents the single most astonishing geopolitical
transformation of the last four years. (Deposing Saddam Hussein ranks
second. The global jihad against America was no transformation at all:
It existed long before the Bush administration. We'd simply ignored al
Qaeda's declaration of war.) But perhaps even more astonishing is how
this singular American victory has disappeared from public
consciousness.

Americans have a deserved reputation for historical amnesia.
Three years -- an eon -- have made us imagine that the Afghan War was
easy and foreordained.

Easy? In 2001, we had nothing there. What had the Clinton
administration left in place? No plausible military plan. Virtually no
intelligence. No local infrastructure. No neighboring bases. The
Afghan Northern Alliance was fractured and weak. And Pakistan was
actively supporting the bad guys.

Within days of 9/11, the clueless airhead president that inhabits
Michael Moore's films and Tina Brown's dinner parties had done this:
forced Pakistan into alliance with us, isolated the Taliban, secured
military cooperation from Afghanistan's northern neighbors, and
authorized a radical war plan involving just a handful of Americans on
the ground, using high technology and local militias to utterly rout
the Taliban.

Bush put in place a military campaign that did in two months what
everyone had said was impossible: defeating an entrenched, fanatical,
ruthless regime in a territory that had forced the great British and
Soviet empires into ignominious retreat. Bush followed that by
creating in less than three years a fledgling pro-American democracy
in a land with no history of democratic culture and just emerging from
25 years of civil war.

This is all barely remembered and barely noted. Most amazing of
all, John Kerry has managed to transform our Afghan venture into a
failure -- a botched operation in which Bush let Osama bin Laden get
away because he ``outsourced'' bin Laden's capture to ``warlords'' in
the battle of Tora Bora.

Outsourced? The entire Afghan War was outsourced. How does Kerry
think we won it? How did Mazar-e Sharif, Kabul and Kandahar fall?
Stormed by thousands of American GIs? They fell to the ``warlords'' we
had enlisted, supported and directed. It was their militias that
overran the Taliban.

``Outsourcing'' is a demagogue's way of saying ``using allies.''
(Isn't Kerry's Iraq solution to ``outsource'' the problem to the
``allies'' and the United Nations?) And in Afghanistan it meant the
very best allies: locals who had a far better chance of knowing what
cave to storm without getting blown up. As Kerry himself said on
national television at the time of Tora Bora (Dec. 14, 2001): ``What
we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to
protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will''
-- i.e., not throwing American lives away in tunnels and caves in
alien territory. ``I think we have been doing this pretty effectively
and we should continue to do it that way.''

Now, as always, the retroactive military genius says he would
have done it differently. Yet in the same interview, asked about how
things were going overall in Afghanistan, he said ``I think we have
been smart, I think the administration leadership has done it well and
we are on the right track.''

Once again, the senator's position has evolved, to borrow The New
York Times' delicate term for Kerry's many about-faces.

This election comes down to a choice between one man's evolution
and the other man's resolution. With his endlessly repeated Tora Bora
charges, Kerry has made Afghanistan a major campaign issue. So be it.
Who do you want as president? The man who conceived the Afghan
campaign, carried it through without flinching when it was being
called a ``quagmire'' during its second week, and has seen it through
to Afghanistan's transition to democracy? Or the retroactive genius,
who always knows what needs to be done after it has already happened
-- who would have done ``everything'' differently in Iraq, yet in
Afghanistan would have replicated Bush's every correct, courageous,
radical and risky decision -- except one. Which, of course, he would
have done differently. He says. Now.

©2004 Washington Post Writers Group

www.townhall.com

[Marian Aldenhövel]

Hi,

> Bush put in place a military campaign that did in two months what
> everyone had said was impossible: defeating an entrenched, fanatical,
> ruthless regime in a territory that had forced the great British and
> Soviet empires into ignominious retreat.

There is still daily fighting in Afghanistan.

Ciao, MM
--
Marian Aldenhövel, Rosenhain 23, 53123 Bonn.
Fon +49 228 624013, Fax +49 228 624031.
http://www.marian-aldenhoevel.de
"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm
not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

[Vaughn]

"Slingsby" > wrote in message
om...
> Kerry's 'evolution'
I guess you can't take a hint. I will, for the first time that I can
remember on RAS, apply the appropriate fix.

Bye
Vaughn

[Nyal Williams]

I'm glad there are just two more days! This is a gliding
newsgroup and we are sick of political sidetracking.

For what it is worth, I have already forwarded one
poster's post to his boss with the comment that the
poster was inappropriately using worktime and company
equipment to post political harangues here. I hope
he gets called on the carpet.


At 15:42 31 October 2004, Vaughn wrote:
>
>'Slingsby' wrote in message
om...
>> Kerry's 'evolution'
> I guess you can't take a hint. I will, for the
>first time that I can
>remember on RAS, apply the appropriate fix.
>
>Bye
>Vaughn
>
>
>
>