ventus C 17.5 versus ls6-18

[Stuart Kinnear]

Which is the better glider ??
Stuart Kinnear

[Tom Serkowski]

At 10:06 05 November 2004, Stuart Kinnear wrote:>Which is the better glider ??>Stuart Kinnear>The one you are sitting in! :)
Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E

[John Bojack]

These are both very rare gliders here in the US, to be sure!

However, if one checks out European gliding championships, the LS-6c 18's
(and a few 17.5's) abound and do very well in 18m competitions.

For some reason, the US has not caught on to the 18m class. Why is that?
(ie. no 18m regional competitions, only one nationals.)

J4
"Tom Serkowski" > wrote in message
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> At 10:06 05 November 2004, Stuart Kinnear wrote:>Which is the better
> glider ??>Stuart Kinnear>The one you are sitting in! :)
> Tom Serkowski
> ASH-26E
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[Marc Ramsey]

John Bojack wrote:
> For some reason, the US has not caught on to the 18m class. Why is that?
> (ie. no 18m regional competitions, only one nationals.)

Actually, there was at least one 18M regional contest in the US this
year, Region 11 at Minden. It was pretty successful (7 gliders, out of
26 total), and we will no doubt do it again next year.

BTW, this contest (and the winner of the 2004 US 18M Nationals) points
out a possible reason why 18M racing is not quite as popular as some
expected, 15M gliders are very often faster on the same tasks...

Marc

[Eric Greenwell]

Marc Ramsey wrote:
> John Bojack wrote:
>
>> For some reason, the US has not caught on to the 18m class. Why is
>> that?
>> (ie. no 18m regional competitions, only one nationals.)
>
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> Actually, there was at least one 18M regional contest in the US this
> year, Region 11 at Minden. It was pretty successful (7 gliders, out of
> 26 total), and we will no doubt do it again next year.
>
> BTW, this contest (and the winner of the 2004 US 18M Nationals) points
> out a possible reason why 18M racing is not quite as popular as some
> expected, 15M gliders are very often faster on the same tasks...

It seems most of the 18 meter gliders in the US are motorgliders (like
the DG 800, ASH26 E), and most of the pilots aren't interested in contests.


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Clint]

> It seems most of the 18 meter gliders in the US are motorgliders (like
> the DG 800, ASH26 E), and most of the pilots aren't interested in contests.

In South Africa, the older open class gliders like the Nimbus 2, ASW
17, LAK 12 and Kestrel have been combined with the 18m class. The open
class is thus for the >~55:1 gliders (ASW 22, Nimbus 3 and 4's, ASH 25
etc). This makes task setting more appropriate and challenging for the
newer open class gliders and fills up the 18m class with gliders with
similar performance - and allows the old open class ships to be raced
on appropriate tasks.

All classes are handicapped on a system that divides the day into a
weak, intermediate and strong category and normalised to an ASW 20.
Thus on a strong day - gliders with longer wings are not penalised as
they do generally not fly faster than the 15m ships - but on weaker
days they are handicapped for the benefit of the longer wing. Water
ballast performance is used for the strong and intermediate days in
the calculations, but the un-ballasted performance is used for the
weak days. The determination of the type of day is done after the task
based on the speeds of the top finishes.

A lot of work has been done by the competition committee to try offer
fair competitions for all pilots - no matter what they fly.

Clinton Birch
LAK 12

[F.L. Whiteley]

the ls6/18 with tips that are unavailable in the US

last seen on Martyn Welles LS-6 at the 1994 UK opens.

"Stuart Kinnear" > wrote in message
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> Which is the better glider ??
> Stuart Kinnear
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[E.Mertins]

"Stuart Kinnear" > wrote in message >...
> Which is the better glider ??
> Stuart Kinnear

I haven't seen an answer to your question... but here something...

What I've seen is some Ventus Cs on top of national contests... that
most count for something!...

Ventus C and LS-6Cs Hard to find?... both of them... definitevelly!...
that could mean that whoever owns one of those... does not want to get
rid of it just yet... good resell value! or short supply?...

Good flying... both of them?... oh yeah!

Having flown a "C" for a while... I am very happy with mine... runs
real good... keeps up with the best... a little hard to thermal
right... but it might just be me... extremelly easy to rig and
maintain... overall a sweet glider... I personally like it better on
15mtr configuration... climbs better on long tips but I do not feel it
runs as good as 15 mtrs.

My 2 cents...

Regards
Enrique
KO

[Andrew Warbrick]

I don't know, I called Martyn when I bought my LS6c-17.5,
his comment was along the lines that upgrading to the
18m or 15m winglets from the straight 17.5 and 15m
tips wouldn't be worth it for the marginal performance
gain.

At 07:54 14 November 2004, F.L. Whiteley wrote:
>the ls6/18 with tips that are unavailable in the US
>
>last seen on Martyn Welles LS-6 at the 1994 UK opens.
>
>'Stuart Kinnear' wrote in message
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>> Which is the better glider ??
>> Stuart Kinnear
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[Stuart Kinnear]

thanks for that enrique

"E.Mertins" > wrote in message
om...
> "Stuart Kinnear" > wrote in message
>...
> > Which is the better glider ??
> > Stuart Kinnear
>
> I haven't seen an answer to your question... but here something...
>
> What I've seen is some Ventus Cs on top of national contests... that
> most count for something!...
>
> Ventus C and LS-6Cs Hard to find?... both of them... definitevelly!...
> that could mean that whoever owns one of those... does not want to get
> rid of it just yet... good resell value! or short supply?...
>
> Good flying... both of them?... oh yeah!
>
> Having flown a "C" for a while... I am very happy with mine... runs
> real good... keeps up with the best... a little hard to thermal
> right... but it might just be me... extremelly easy to rig and
> maintain... overall a sweet glider... I personally like it better on
> 15mtr configuration... climbs better on long tips but I do not feel it
> runs as good as 15 mtrs.
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> Regards
> Enrique
> KO

[F.L. Whiteley]

Well, AFAIK, these 'banana' shaped tips (for lack of a better term) were
never made available in the US. Martyn did very well against the N4s,
ASW22s, N3s, ASH25s, and others IIRC. He flew 'hors concours' but would
have placed 1st handicapped and 5th scratch as the scoring went. That was
out of 45.

Frank

"Andrew Warbrick" > wrote in message
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> I don't know, I called Martyn when I bought my LS6c-17.5,
> his comment was along the lines that upgrading to the
> 18m or 15m winglets from the straight 17.5 and 15m
> tips wouldn't be worth it for the marginal performance
> gain.
>
> At 07:54 14 November 2004, F.L. Whiteley wrote:
> >the ls6/18 with tips that are unavailable in the US
> >
> >last seen on Martyn Welles LS-6 at the 1994 UK opens.
> >
> >'Stuart Kinnear' wrote in message
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> >> Which is the better glider ??
> >> Stuart Kinnear
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[John Bojack]

Uhhhhmmmm? Do you mean the 18m tips with the upswept "winglets"?

I've got them on my 18m LS-6c. What other special tips are there?

John J4
"F.L. Whiteley" > wrote in message
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> Well, AFAIK, these 'banana' shaped tips (for lack of a better term) were
> never made available in the US. Martyn did very well against the N4s,
> ASW22s, N3s, ASH25s, and others IIRC. He flew 'hors concours' but would
> have placed 1st handicapped and 5th scratch as the scoring went. That was
> out of 45.
>
> Frank
>
> "Andrew Warbrick" > wrote in
> message
> ...
>> I don't know, I called Martyn when I bought my LS6c-17.5,
>> his comment was along the lines that upgrading to the
>> 18m or 15m winglets from the straight 17.5 and 15m
>> tips wouldn't be worth it for the marginal performance
>> gain.
>>
>> At 07:54 14 November 2004, F.L. Whiteley wrote:
>> >the ls6/18 with tips that are unavailable in the US
>> >
>> >last seen on Martyn Welles LS-6 at the 1994 UK opens.
>> >
>> >'Stuart Kinnear' wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Which is the better glider ??
>> >> Stuart Kinnear
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[F.L. Whiteley]

These looked like bananas. Last time I discussed them with Aland, he said
they weren't on the TC for the US. Got an image link somewhere? I'm trying
to think if I have a photo or video of Martyn's I might be able to dig out.

Frank

"John Bojack" > wrote in message
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> Uhhhhmmmm? Do you mean the 18m tips with the upswept "winglets"?
>
> I've got them on my 18m LS-6c. What other special tips are there?
>
> John J4
> "F.L. Whiteley" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well, AFAIK, these 'banana' shaped tips (for lack of a better term) were
> > never made available in the US. Martyn did very well against the N4s,
> > ASW22s, N3s, ASH25s, and others IIRC. He flew 'hors concours' but would
> > have placed 1st handicapped and 5th scratch as the scoring went. That
was
> > out of 45.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > "Andrew Warbrick" > wrote in
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> >> I don't know, I called Martyn when I bought my LS6c-17.5,
> >> his comment was along the lines that upgrading to the
> >> 18m or 15m winglets from the straight 17.5 and 15m
> >> tips wouldn't be worth it for the marginal performance
> >> gain.
> >>
> >> At 07:54 14 November 2004, F.L. Whiteley wrote:
> >> >the ls6/18 with tips that are unavailable in the US
> >> >
> >> >last seen on Martyn Welles LS-6 at the 1994 UK opens.
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> >> >'Stuart Kinnear' wrote in message
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