Robert Mudd has stolen items

[mat Redsell]

Robert Mudd took two aluminum panels from our workshop to build a trailer
for his apis. In return me promised to replace those with two 12 foot
sections of similar material. I reluctantly agreed to this trade but Robert
has never given us those panels. I reminded him just before he left for New
Mexico ( even offere to help him load) but he did not leave us those panels.

Those panels are very important for laying up such things as Dtubes.

I would like Robert to replace those items he took as soon as possible.

Could anyone please forward to us his Physical address.

I could trade a set of pipestral wings for the panels if he is interested.


--
Marske Flying Wings
http://www.continuo.com/marske

[Gary Evans]

Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
of a title.


At 14:30 16 November 2004, Mat Redsell wrote:
>Robert Mudd took two aluminum panels from our workshop
>to build a trailer
>for his apis. In return me promised to replace those
>with two 12 foot
>sections of similar material. I reluctantly agreed
>to this trade but Robert
>has never given us those panels. I reminded him just
>before he left for New
>Mexico ( even offere to help him load) but he did not
>leave us those panels.
>
>Those panels are very important for laying up such
>things as Dtubes.
>
>I would like Robert to replace those items he took
>as soon as possible.
>
>Could anyone please forward to us his Physical address.
>
>I could trade a set of pipestral wings for the panels
>if he is interested.
>
>
>--
>Marske Flying Wings
>http://www.continuo.com/marske
>
>
>

[mat Redsell]

Robert has not replied to any of my requests to settle this matter so I have
little choice but to try other means to get his attention..
Yes it is a poor choice of a title but it grabs ones attention and I hope
Robert will respond before I set up a web page on Robert Mudd.

-mat

"Gary Evans" > wrote in message
...
> Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
> of a title.

[blah blah blah]

GROW UP....
mat Redsell wrote:
> Robert has not replied to any of my requests to settle this matter so I have
> little choice but to try other means to get his attention..
> Yes it is a poor choice of a title but it grabs ones attention and I hope
> Robert will respond before I set up a web page on Robert Mudd.
>
> -mat
>
> "Gary Evans" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
>>of a title.
>
>
>

[Wayne Paul]

I have read Mat's posts on this and other newsgroups/email-lists for several
years now. His abrupt approach and lack of tact tend to override every fact
that he is attempting to convey. The impressions resulting from his lack of
diplomacy, and in some cases civility, reflect negatively on both him and
Marske's company which he represents.

Respectfully,
Wayne

"blah blah blah" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> GROW UP....
> mat Redsell wrote:
> > Robert has not replied to any of my requests to settle this matter so I
have
> > little choice but to try other means to get his attention..
> > Yes it is a poor choice of a title but it grabs ones attention and I
hope
> > Robert will respond before I set up a web page on Robert Mudd.
> >
> > -mat
> >
> > "Gary Evans" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
> >>of a title.
> >
> >
> >

[Steve Hill]

When I think of all the positive comments on this discussion group and then
read Matt Redsells posting about Robert, I am just blown away by Matt. Who
in the hell do you think you are??

Last month it was your soaring clubs board of directors, this month it's
Robert...your solution seems consistently to be to attack a person using
this venue and then to continue your threat by "setting up a web page" on
someone...I'll tell you this Matt... If you think in your mind that this is
an acceptable use of a discussion group that's primary focus is to promote
soaring and the pursuit thereof, then I for one disagree.

You are involved in a commercial operation and have many venues within your
right to pursue. Legal remedies in addition to simple private remedies. I am
sorry if I sound exceedingly harsh, but you sound like a whiney
teenager...you really should have more respect for this discussion venue and
learn to keep a civil tone, instead of defaming a person in a public
forum...it's called "dirty laundry" You should learn to handle yourself
better...When you spoke last month of being threatened to be dropped from
your club by it's B.O.D. I thought that was harsh, but now I think there
might be much more to that story as well...

Grow up.


Steve

[mat Redsell]

Can anyhone else suggest a better way to attract Roberts attention and
remedy this situation?

Yes it is abrupt and lacks tact but is there a better way to approach Robert
Mudd at this point?

I have sent him Emails and even tried to phone him with no reply..,, I am
really open to suggestions but I do really feel ripped off and am quite
upset about it.

-mat

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>I have read Mat's posts on this and other newsgroups/email-lists for
>several
> years now. His abrupt approach and lack of tact tend to override every
> fact
> that he is attempting to convey. The impressions resulting from his lack
> of
> diplomacy, and in some cases civility, reflect negatively on both him and
> Marske's company which he represents.
>
> Respectfully,
> Wayne
>
> "blah blah blah" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
>> GROW UP....
>> mat Redsell wrote:
>> > Robert has not replied to any of my requests to settle this matter so I
> have
>> > little choice but to try other means to get his attention..
>> > Yes it is a poor choice of a title but it grabs ones attention and I
> hope
>> > Robert will respond before I set up a web page on Robert Mudd.
>> >
>> > -mat
>> >
>> > "Gary Evans" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >>Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
>> >>of a title.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

[Tony Verhulst]

mat Redsell wrote:
> Can anyhone else suggest a better way to attract Roberts attention and
> remedy this situation?

Taking a private matter public is never a good strategy, I think. I
agree with Wayne in that it makes YOU look bad. If you're that upset,
hire a lawyer. But, please, leave ras out of a private dispute.

regards,

Tony

[Eric Greenwell]

mat Redsell wrote:

> Could anyone please forward to us his Physical address.

This is weird, Mat. His address is on his web site
(www.apisgliders.com). You didn't need to ask RAS to discover this. I
hope you rethink this approach because it's DOA: this approach is high
risk for you because (right or wrongly), your reputation won't trump
Robert's. You should resolve this directly with Robert or through an
intermediary that both of you respect.

--
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

[Jack]

mat Redsell wrote:

> I hope Robert will respond before I set up a web page on [him].


Apparently things are really slow around the shop these days.

Then again, perhaps alienating everybody else coould be fun, too?



Jack

[Shawn]

mat Redsell wrote:
> Can anyhone else suggest a better way to attract Roberts attention and
> remedy this situation?
>
> Yes it is abrupt and lacks tact but is there a better way to approach Robert
> Mudd at this point?
>
> I have sent him Emails and even tried to phone him with no reply..,, I am
> really open to suggestions but I do really feel ripped off and am quite
> upset about it.
>
> -mat

Duh, call a lawyer! After your potentially libelous post, you may need
to call one anyway.

HTH,
Shawn

[Pete Reinhart]

Mat,
Several thoghts come to mind reading this whole string.
First, I think you would want to get out your dictionary and look up the
words "slander" and "libel". Carefully considering the definition of those
two words might save you both grief and "face".
It's my opinion that the only reputation you are tarnishing here is your
own. That's not a personal attack but an observation.
Look at the tone and content of the responses you are receiving here and
consider if you think they are accomplishing what you intend. This is, for
the most part, a congenial and intelligent group of people who exchange
opinions and information for the benefit of all.
I'll bet too, that there are two sides to this story if anyone but you
really cares.
Cheers! Have a happy day, keep dreaming of that 80:1 flying wing.


"Jack" > wrote in message
om...
> mat Redsell wrote:
>
> > I hope Robert will respond before I set up a web page on [him].
>
>
> Apparently things are really slow around the shop these days.
>
> Then again, perhaps alienating everybody else coould be fun, too?
>
>
>
> Jack

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:49:44 -0700, Shawn
> wrote:

>
>
>Duh, call a lawyer! After your potentially libelous post, you may need
>to call one anyway.
>
Yes, my first choice would have been to call a lawyer, then as the
case was settled, hopefully IN court, a link to the published record
placed in the groups, repeatedly.

One that does not respond to requests to set the situation straight,
to live up to his word, cannot be libeled. Theft is theft, whether it
is by pistol or by broken promise makes no difference.

Matt, I have found that in the long run, the best way is to just
replace the item yourself, and resolve that the person that conned you
never takes anything from you again, without cash in hand. I have
several people that come to me for repair work, and know that unless
they have cash, not check, they will not leave with the parts in hand.
The worst part is knowing that the parts are for hign buck toys, and
those people have no excuse of poverty.

[Mal]

Flame war on soaring sure beats his normal Spam posts.

ROFL.

HTH



"Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
...
> mat Redsell wrote:
>
>> Could anyone please forward to us his Physical address.
>
> This is weird, Mat. His address is on his web site (www.apisgliders.com).
> You didn't need to ask RAS to discover this. I hope you rethink this
> approach because it's DOA: this approach is high risk for you because
> (right or wrongly), your reputation won't trump Robert's. You should
> resolve this directly with Robert or through an intermediary that both of
> you respect.
>
> --
> Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> Eric Greenwell
> Washington State
> USA

[Pete Reinhart]

Hear!,Hear!
Cheers!
"Mal" > wrote in message
...
> Flame war on soaring sure beats his normal Spam posts.
>
> ROFL.
>
> HTH
>
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > mat Redsell wrote:
> >
> >> Could anyone please forward to us his Physical address.
> >
> > This is weird, Mat. His address is on his web site
(www.apisgliders.com).
> > You didn't need to ask RAS to discover this. I hope you rethink this
> > approach because it's DOA: this approach is high risk for you because
> > (right or wrongly), your reputation won't trump Robert's. You should
> > resolve this directly with Robert or through an intermediary that both
of
> > you respect.
> >
> > --
> > Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> >
> > Eric Greenwell
> > Washington State
> > USA
>
>

[JDFlishall]

This is the same nutcase who ragged on his club's directors because he wanted
to wear a chute and fly with students not wearing one. Oh... or is it the same
guy who makes inept commercial claims about his silly flying wings. Or is it
the same guy who's so far out of the mainstream he can't even find the stream.
Guaranteed there is another side to this story and this is yet another
affectation of Mat's socially impaired existance.

J

[Mitch]

Welcome to the law minute with Mitch Hudson, on this show, I, as an
inexperienced lawyer, attempt to answer questions mailed to me. Our
first letter comes from young Davy Radanovich from Kokomo, Indiana.
Davy writes "Dear Mitch, I would like to know what the difference
between slander and liable, could you help me?"

My response:
"What kind of pea brained moron would ask such a stupid question? If
I were you, Davy, I would worry more about inbreeding than I would
about the law"…

Davy, that was liable. If I would have said it out loud, it would
have been slander.

Thank you for reading another episode of the law minute, please tune
in next week for more law questions posted here on RAS by your
favorite inexperienced armchair lawyer

[Tony Verhulst]

Mitch wrote:
> Welcome to the law minute with Mitch Hudson, on this show, I, as an
> inexperienced lawyer, attempt to answer questions mailed to me. Our
> first letter comes from young Davy Radanovich from Kokomo, Indiana.
> Davy writes "Dear Mitch, I would like to know what the difference
> between slander and liable, could you help me?"

Dear Mitch,

Kindly refer to your nearby dictionary and note the difference between
"liable" and "libel". No doubt, you (I mean Davy Radanovich) meant the
latter. But then, I'm not a lawyer and neither do I play one on TV. Next
case, please :-).

Tony V.

[Don]

Dear Mitch or Davy, it appears you left the word "is" out of the question
about the difference between liable (sic) and slander. Or perhaps, like one
notorious lawyer, you were not sure of what the definition of "is" is.

> Davy writes "Dear Mitch, I would like to know what the difference
> between slander and liable, could you help me?"
>
>

[Mhudson126]

Please, all y'all whose have been correcting me, don't beats me no moa's, I
swears I's just a poor enlisted Air Force sergeant who cant's makes words too
well. I's so poa, I eats 'possum to affords em air Discus I fly. I's knows I
never have no hopes of beings as educated and funny as you's folks on RAS here.
I's sorry, please don'ts beats me no moa, I go crawl backs in 'm hole nows.
-Mitch

[Mark Zivley]

http://www.tngenweb.org/tntable/possum.htm

Mhudson126 wrote:

> Please, all y'all whose have been correcting me, don't beats me no moa's, I
> swears I's just a poor enlisted Air Force sergeant who cant's makes words too
> well. I's so poa, I eats 'possum to affords em air Discus I fly. I's knows I
> never have no hopes of beings as educated and funny as you's folks on RAS here.
> I's sorry, please don'ts beats me no moa, I go crawl backs in 'm hole nows.
> -Mitch

[Patrick Edwards]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message >...
> I have read Mat's posts on this and other newsgroups/email-lists for several
> years now. His abrupt approach and lack of tact tend to override every fact
> that he is attempting to convey. The impressions resulting from his lack of
> diplomacy, and in some cases civility, reflect negatively on both him and
> Marske's company which he represents.
>
> Respectfully,
> Wayne
>
> "blah blah blah" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
> > GROW UP....
> > mat Redsell wrote:
> > > Robert has not replied to any of my requests to settle this matter so I
> have
> > > little choice but to try other means to get his attention..
> > > Yes it is a poor choice of a title but it grabs ones attention and I
> hope
> > > Robert will respond before I set up a web page on Robert Mudd.
> > >
> > > -mat
> > >
> > > "Gary Evans" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>Wrong place for such a discussion and a poor choice
> > >>of a title.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Mat,
Seems that people have been telling you this for years. When are you
going to wake up?
I once let a friend of mine borrow some money. He avoided me like the
plague and never paid me back and I have had no coNtact with him
Since. I tried to collect, but after many attempts, I gave up. Lookig
back it was the best money I ever gave away because the SOB never
bothered me again.
I do have some solutions for you.
1. get a lawyer AND move back to Canada (for those of you who didn't
know, Mat's Candadian. I said "didn't know" and NOT "didn't care").
2. You can drive to New MexIco aNd Steal your items back.

Mat, the above descriptions are synonomous of your reputation. The
easist thing to change here is YOU.

Patrick