SUA maps

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Is there a PC program available to convert airspace maps from OpenAir
format to Tim Newport-Peace format? Or alternately, is there a program
to create Tim Newport-Peace format maps from the DAFIF data for areas
outside the US, Canada and Europe (ie a worldwide version of the
airspace or eurospace programs available on the Soaring Server)?

I am using Soaringpilot (which is fantastic) but am battling to update
the South African airspace data as the latest maps are written for the
Winpilot platform.

Thanks

Clinton
LAK 12

[Henryk Birecki]

There is a program on GPS_LOG users discusion group on Yahoo called
DAFIFtoMAP. It does what you want, but only in GPS_LOG WinCE format.
Currently it is only released through the discussion group files
section. It will be in the next upload of the PC version of GPS_LOG.
If you want me to e-mail it to you please respond directly to me.

Henryk Birecki

wrote:

>Is there a PC program available to convert airspace maps from OpenAir
>format to Tim Newport-Peace format? Or alternately, is there a program
>to create Tim Newport-Peace format maps from the DAFIF data for areas
>outside the US, Canada and Europe (ie a worldwide version of the
>airspace or eurospace programs available on the Soaring Server)?
>
>I am using Soaringpilot (which is fantastic) but am battling to update
>the South African airspace data as the latest maps are written for the
>Winpilot platform.
>
>Thanks
>
>Clinton
>LAK 12

[[email protected]]

Henryk Birecki wrote:
> There is a program on GPS_LOG users discusion group on Yahoo called
> DAFIFtoMAP. It does what you want, but only in GPS_LOG WinCE format.
> Currently it is only released through the discussion group files
> section. It will be in the next upload of the PC version of GPS_LOG.
> If you want me to e-mail it to you please respond directly to me.
>
> Henryk Birecki


I joined the yahoo group and downloaded the program to look at it. It
would be ideal except the final product is not a .SUA file which I need
for soaringpilot. I am impressed with your package but as I have a Palm
- I can't use your software.

Thanks
Clinton
LAK 12

[unt]

Hi

Try this one
http://soaring.aerobatics.ws/SOARING/JL/SUA/EU.html

I use it for Europe, but don't know how it works out of Europe. You can
import the actual DAFIF database.

Cheers

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Is there a PC program available to convert airspace maps from OpenAir
> format to Tim Newport-Peace format? Or alternately, is there a program
> to create Tim Newport-Peace format maps from the DAFIF data for areas
> outside the US, Canada and Europe (ie a worldwide version of the
> airspace or eurospace programs available on the Soaring Server)?
>
> I am using Soaringpilot (which is fantastic) but am battling to update
> the South African airspace data as the latest maps are written for the
> Winpilot platform.
>
> Thanks
>
> Clinton
> LAK 12
>

[[email protected]]

No - this program (eurospace) only works for Europe and the program
airspace only works for continental US. I need a program exactly like
these that works outside the US and Europe.

Clinton
LAK 12

[Henryk Birecki]

wrote:

>
>Henryk Birecki wrote:
>> There is a program on GPS_LOG users discusion group on Yahoo called
>> DAFIFtoMAP. It does what you want, but only in GPS_LOG WinCE format.
>> Currently it is only released through the discussion group files
>
>
>I joined the yahoo group and downloaded the program to look at it. It
>would be ideal except the final product is not a .SUA file which I need
>for soaringpilot. I am impressed with your package but as I have a Palm
>- I can't use your software.
>


As I said in my original reply the format is for GPS_LOG WinXX family,
but from my past experience with things like that the worst task is
sorting through gobs of data. This it will do for you. Rest may be
just a "format translation task" :).

Henryk Birecki.

[[email protected]]

StrePla does.

best -- Natalie

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> StrePla does.
>
> best -- Natalie


Thanks. It did exactly what I needed. I could take the OpenAir file
which has been posted as the official airspace file for the South
African Nationals and convert it to a .sua file which is needed by
soaringpilot. When are you going to come fly in South Africa again? It
looks like a fantastic summer with a mild El Nino which will cause hot,
dry conditions until ~March 2005.

Clinton
LAK 12

[Marc Ramsey]

The NIMA Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File web site will
cease being available to those of us who are civilians, sometime in the
next few months. This is the data that has been used for several years
to generate the SUA files for the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange, as well
as many flight analysis programs, for the US and much of the rest of the
world.

This is apparently being done to keep terrorists from getting their
hands on airspace data they can use to build dirty bombs, or something,
and, oh by the way, it will make the world a safer place for Jeppesen.

Now the FAA promised something like 5 years ago that they would make the
airspace and facilities data freely available on their web site. As far
as I can tell, this never happened. The National Geodetic Survey UDDF
files will apparently continue to be available on the NGS web site, but
they only contain airport, navaid, and obstruction data.

Assuming we have an impending SUA data crisis on our hands, what steps
can we take to make sure valid SUA data continues to be freely available
for the US? Bug the SSA and/or FAA?

Marc

[Don Johnstone]

Now that is neat, create SUA and keep it a secret.
Sort of airbourne lottery - Today I flew cross country
and did not fly into SUA I did not know was there.
Mark you I suppose it could be difficult to check.
Are you sure you have not been talking to the wonderful
people in Brussels, sounds like something they would
really go for.



At 07:30 10 December 2004, Marc Ramsey wrote:
>The NIMA Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File
>web site will
>cease being available to those of us who are civilians,
>sometime in the
>next few months. This is the data that has been used
>for several years
>to generate the SUA files for the Worldwide Turnpoint
>Exchange, as well
>as many flight analysis programs, for the US and much
>of the rest of the
>world.
>
>This is apparently being done to keep terrorists from
>getting their
>hands on airspace data they can use to build dirty
>bombs, or something,
>and, oh by the way, it will make the world a safer
>place for Jeppesen.
>
>Now the FAA promised something like 5 years ago that
>they would make the
>airspace and facilities data freely available on their
>web site. As far
>as I can tell, this never happened. The National Geodetic
>Survey UDDF
>files will apparently continue to be available on the
>NGS web site, but
>they only contain airport, navaid, and obstruction
>data.
>
>Assuming we have an impending SUA data crisis on our
>hands, what steps
>can we take to make sure valid SUA data continues to
>be freely available
>for the US? Bug the SSA and/or FAA?
>
>Marc
>

[Henryk Birecki]

Below is a reply I got from NGA. It appears that some data may still
be available but a) it will be by subscription payement, b) only US
(?), c) in a different format (It costs $250 to get the format
standard document .... any rich uncles ? :) )

Henryk Birecki

Dear Mr. Birecki,

Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding the proposal to remove
NGA's aeronautical products from public sale and distribution.

The proposed action will not affect any FAA produced charts and
publications you are currently using. According to the FAA the
National Flight Database (NFD) will be adding Restricted Airspace
records, ARINC 424 "UR" records, in the December 23, 2004 cycle.
This will include SUA and MOA records for the U.S. FAA coverage area.

After initial feedback from the public NGA has determined that a
period of public comment will benefit the final decision on this
policy issue. So the Agency is inviting public comment on its
proposed action to withdraw aeronautical data and products from public
distribution. The period of comment will be open from 3 December 2004
until 30 June 2005. NGA will consider all comments when making the
final decision to go forward with this proposed action, in part, in
whole, or not at all.

Your e-mail has been forwarded to the office collecting public
comments. If you have further suggestions, or wish to express any
other issues or concerns please direct them to one of the addresses
below.

Comments may be returned to:
> or mailed to:
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Mail Stop D-111, Attn: Public
Release of Aeronautical Products
4600 Sangamore Road
Bethesda, MD 20816-5003

Marc Ramsey > wrote:

>The NIMA Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File web site will
>cease being available to those of us who are civilians, sometime in the
>next few months. This is the data that has been used for several years
>to generate the SUA files for the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange, as well
>as many flight analysis programs, for the US and much of the rest of the
>world.
>
>This is apparently being done to keep terrorists from getting their
>hands on airspace data they can use to build dirty bombs, or something,
>and, oh by the way, it will make the world a safer place for Jeppesen.
>
>Now the FAA promised something like 5 years ago that they would make the
>airspace and facilities data freely available on their web site. As far
>as I can tell, this never happened. The National Geodetic Survey UDDF
>files will apparently continue to be available on the NGS web site, but
>they only contain airport, navaid, and obstruction data.
>
>Assuming we have an impending SUA data crisis on our hands, what steps
>can we take to make sure valid SUA data continues to be freely available
>for the US? Bug the SSA and/or FAA?
>
>Marc

[Marc Ramsey]

Henryk Birecki wrote:
> Below is a reply I got from NGA. It appears that some data may still
> be available but a) it will be by subscription payement, b) only US
> (?), c) in a different format (It costs $250 to get the format
> standard document .... any rich uncles ? :) )

The US airport/SUA/airway/navaid data is (and has been for many years)
available from the FAA Aeronautical Information Services Division, by
subscription:

http://www.faa.gov/ats/ata/ata100/120/datadistr.html

For soaring use, 4 or 5 of the CDs would be needed at $36/CD, 6 times
per year, or roughly $1000/year. This obviously creates a logistical
problem. Someone would have to subscribe, reformat the data, and
redistribute it. SSA, maybe?

Marc

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Next year South Africa again, I hope. Just returned from Argentina.
Natalie