Delore & Fossett soar 2190 km

[Burt Compton]

From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:

Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
07 December 2004

Christchurch gliding ace Terry Delore and American multi-millionaire adventurer
Steve Fossett have broken the world outright straight-line soaring distance
record with an epic flight of 15 hours along the Andes mountain range in
Argentina.

Fossett – the only person to have completed a solo circumnavigation of the
planet in a balloon – and Delore landed their 27m wingspan German ASH-25
twin-seater sailplane north of Mendoza late on Sunday night after covering
2190km. This added 16.5km to the record set last year by Germany's Klaus
Ohlmann, also in Argentina.

Delore and Fossett, who set a world triangle distance record of 1508.42km in
Argentina last year, began their record flight at Calafate, about 600km north
of Cape Horn. The straight-line distance record is considered one of the most
important of all gliding records.

The gliding partners, assisted by a crew of New Zealand pilots, also broke the
world declared straight-line distance record on the same flight with a new mark
of 2128km. The team has been in Argentina for about a month waiting for
suitable conditions, and expects to stay there until the end of December.

Delore and Fossett are now repositioning themselves at Chos Malal for an
attempt on the world 1000km speed record of 169.72kmh. They already hold the
world 500km, 750km and 1500km speed records.


(Wow, imagine soaring from Marfa, TX to San Francisco, or Miami to Chicago,
about 1,360 sm)

Burt
Marfa

[Mark James Boyd]

Burt Compton > wrote:
>
>(Wow, imagine soaring from Marfa, TX to San Francisco, or Miami to Chicago,
>about 1,360 sm)

I'd like to see Bill Snead fly the PW-5 from Marfa to
Avenal. I'd buy him dinner!

Mark
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Mark J. Boyd

[Steve Hill]

We better get ahold of Fossett and try weaseling some money out of him for
advertising this little Soaring game...Anybody know him....Just a thought...


Steve.

[Andrew Warbrick]

They'll have to decide which record they want, you
can only set one distance record per flight. Or they
could go and do it again :)

At 23:00 06 December 2004, Burt Compton wrote:
>From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
>
>Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
>07 December 2004
>
>Christchurch gliding ace Terry Delore and American
>multi-millionaire adventurer
>Steve Fossett have broken the world outright straight-line
>soaring distance
>record with an epic flight of 15 hours along the Andes
>mountain range in
>Argentina.
>
>Fossett – the only person to have completed a solo
>circumnavigation of the
>planet in a balloon – and Delore landed their 27m
>wingspan German ASH-25
>twin-seater sailplane north of Mendoza late on Sunday
>night after covering
>2190km. This added 16.5km to the record set last year
>by Germany's Klaus
>Ohlmann, also in Argentina.
>
>Delore and Fossett, who set a world triangle distance
>record of 1508.42km in
>Argentina last year, began their record flight at Calafate,
>about 600km north
>of Cape Horn. The straight-line distance record is
>considered one of the most
>important of all gliding records.
>
>The gliding partners, assisted by a crew of New Zealand
>pilots, also broke the
>world declared straight-line distance record on the
>same flight with a new mark
>of 2128km. The team has been in Argentina for about
>a month waiting for
>suitable conditions, and expects to stay there until
>the end of December.
>
>Delore and Fossett are now repositioning themselves
>at Chos Malal for an
>attempt on the world 1000km speed record of 169.72kmh.
>They already hold the
>world 500km, 750km and 1500km speed records.
>
>
>(Wow, imagine soaring from Marfa, TX to San Francisco,
>or Miami to Chicago,
>about 1,360 sm)
>
>Burt
>Marfa
>
>
>

[News.Individual.NET]

perhaps it´s time to forget handicap based on glider performance and going
to a handicap based of pocket capacity ;-)

An Empty Pocket :-(

"Burt Compton" > escribió en el mensaje
...
> From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
>
> Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
> 07 December 2004
>
> Christchurch gliding ace Terry Delore and American multi-millionaire
> adventurer
> Steve Fossett have broken the world outright straight-line soaring
> distance
> record with an epic flight of 15 hours along the Andes mountain range in
> Argentina.
>
> Fossett - the only person to have completed a solo circumnavigation of the
> planet in a balloon - and Delore landed their 27m wingspan German ASH-25
> twin-seater sailplane north of Mendoza late on Sunday night after covering
> 2190km. This added 16.5km to the record set last year by Germany's Klaus
> Ohlmann, also in Argentina.
>
> Delore and Fossett, who set a world triangle distance record of 1508.42km
> in
> Argentina last year, began their record flight at Calafate, about 600km
> north
> of Cape Horn. The straight-line distance record is considered one of the
> most
> important of all gliding records.
>
> The gliding partners, assisted by a crew of New Zealand pilots, also broke
> the
> world declared straight-line distance record on the same flight with a new
> mark
> of 2128km. The team has been in Argentina for about a month waiting for
> suitable conditions, and expects to stay there until the end of December.
>
> Delore and Fossett are now repositioning themselves at Chos Malal for an
> attempt on the world 1000km speed record of 169.72kmh. They already hold
> the
> world 500km, 750km and 1500km speed records.
>
>
> (Wow, imagine soaring from Marfa, TX to San Francisco, or Miami to
> Chicago,
> about 1,360 sm)
>
> Burt
> Marfa
>
>

[Oscar]

How does that compare with this 2463km claim by Stemme?
"This was proven not at least with the sensational flight of Klaus Ohlmann
in the Andes: 2463 km of pure gliding in 14 hours in Dec. 2000 with a STEMME
S 10-VT" - complete article see here http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
(go to Our Aircraft > S10-VT > The Philosophy)

Oscar


"Burt Compton" > wrote in message
...
> From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
>
> Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
> 07 December 2004
>
> Christchurch gliding ace Terry Delore and American multi-millionaire
adventurer
> Steve Fossett have broken the world outright straight-line soaring
distance
> record with an epic flight of 15 hours along the Andes mountain range in
> Argentina.
>
> Fossett - the only person to have completed a solo circumnavigation of the
> planet in a balloon - and Delore landed their 27m wingspan German ASH-25
> twin-seater sailplane north of Mendoza late on Sunday night after covering
> 2190km. This added 16.5km to the record set last year by Germany's Klaus
> Ohlmann, also in Argentina.
>
> Delore and Fossett, who set a world triangle distance record of 1508.42km
in
> Argentina last year, began their record flight at Calafate, about 600km
north
> of Cape Horn. The straight-line distance record is considered one of the
most
> important of all gliding records.
>
> The gliding partners, assisted by a crew of New Zealand pilots, also broke
the
> world declared straight-line distance record on the same flight with a new
mark
> of 2128km. The team has been in Argentina for about a month waiting for
> suitable conditions, and expects to stay there until the end of December.
>
> Delore and Fossett are now repositioning themselves at Chos Malal for an
> attempt on the world 1000km speed record of 169.72kmh. They already hold
the
> world 500km, 750km and 1500km speed records.
>
>
> (Wow, imagine soaring from Marfa, TX to San Francisco, or Miami to
Chicago,
> about 1,360 sm)
>
> Burt
> Marfa
>
>

[Eric Greenwell]

Oscar wrote:
> How does that compare with this 2463km claim by Stemme?
> "This was proven not at least with the sensational flight of Klaus Ohlmann
> in the Andes: 2463 km of pure gliding in 14 hours in Dec. 2000 with a STEMME
> S 10-VT" - complete article see here http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
> (go to Our Aircraft > S10-VT > The Philosophy)
>
> Oscar
>
>
> "Burt Compton" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
>>
>>Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
>>07 December 2004

Klaus' flight was not a straight line?

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Washington State
USA

[Marek Malolepszy]

2463.7 km Klaus Ohlmann's flight performed 26 Nov 2000 was 3 turn point =
flight.
Marek Malolepszy
CA

[Oscar]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about flying in a straight line
instead of doing a few turns along the way? - Oscar


"Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
...
> Oscar wrote:
> > How does that compare with this 2463km claim by Stemme?
> > "This was proven not at least with the sensational flight of Klaus
Ohlmann
> > in the Andes: 2463 km of pure gliding in 14 hours in Dec. 2000 with a
STEMME
> > S 10-VT" - complete article see here
http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
> > (go to Our Aircraft > S10-VT > The Philosophy)
> >
> > Oscar
> >
> >
> > "Burt Compton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
> >>
> >>Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
> >>07 December 2004
>
> Klaus' flight was not a straight line?
>
> --
> Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> Eric Greenwell
> Washington State
> USA

[Eric Greenwell]

Oscar wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about flying in a straight line
> instead of doing a few turns along the way? - Oscar

It's a much harder way to do long distances, because it's difficult to
find long stretches of good weather. By turning, you can stay in a small
patch of good weather for a long time. Imagine trying to do a straight
1000K in England, for example! It's hard enough when you can turn...


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Washington State
USA

[F.L. Whiteley]

The challenge prize for the first straight line flight of 2000km, was put up
by Dr. Joachim Kuettner, won by Ohlmann, and presented at the 2004 SSA
Convention in Atlanta. Even broad very wave bands, and the corresponding
jets, are generally far too narrow for completing such a flight, hence the
challenge, how to get the additional 500km+. It's taken several years of
research and attempts to complete these flights in Argentina. Are
2500-3000km straight-line flights possible? Downwind?

Frank Whiteley

"Oscar" > wrote in message
...
> Excuse my ignorance, but what is so special about flying in a straight
line
> instead of doing a few turns along the way? - Oscar
>
>
> "Eric Greenwell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Oscar wrote:
> > > How does that compare with this 2463km claim by Stemme?
> > > "This was proven not at least with the sensational flight of Klaus
> Ohlmann
> > > in the Andes: 2463 km of pure gliding in 14 hours in Dec. 2000 with a
> STEMME
> > > S 10-VT" - complete article see here
> http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
> > > (go to Our Aircraft > S10-VT > The Philosophy)
> > >
> > > Oscar
> > >
> > >
> > > "Burt Compton" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
> > >>
> > >>Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
> > >>07 December 2004
> >
> > Klaus' flight was not a straight line?
> >
> > --
> > Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
> >
> > Eric Greenwell
> > Washington State
> > USA
>
>

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"F.L. Whiteley" > writes:

> challenge, how to get the additional 500km+. It's taken several
> years of research and attempts to complete these flights in
> Argentina. Are 2500-3000km straight-line flights possible?
> Downwind?

How do you define `straight'?

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[F.L. Whiteley]

> wrote in message
...
> "F.L. Whiteley" > writes:
>
> > challenge, how to get the additional 500km+. It's taken several
> > years of research and attempts to complete these flights in
> > Argentina. Are 2500-3000km straight-line flights possible?
> > Downwind?
>
> How do you define `straight'?
>
> --
> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
Doesn't matter how I define straight, but how the FAI defines it for a
record. It's the distance between the start and finish, with no turnpoints.

See the sporting code http://www.fai.org/sporting_code/sc3.pdf
Free distance and straight distance to a goal are the only relevant
categories.

If you deviate off track, you'll gain no extra distance. If you wander much
further than 15 degrees off track on a goal flight, you reduce the chances
of making the distance in available daylight. For free distance, wandering
into the best lift may be optimal up to say 30 degrees if you aren't going
to reverse back to the original track and just accept a new finish.

Since the best wave conditions rarely exceed 1500km in span, downwind
flights transiting several mountain ranges may offer the better opportunity
of completing a downwind wave flight of 2500km or more. I believe someone
once surmised that when the jet developed a large deflection over the
northwest United States that an early departure into wave from Washington
State or British Columbia towards New Mexico into Texas for about 2500km
straight distance might be possible. However, heading south and east limits
available daylight and great wave conditions don't often happen during the
longer days in North America.

Frank

[CV]

Marek Malolepszy wrote:

> 2463.7 km Klaus Ohlmann's flight performed 26 Nov 2000 was 3 turn point =
> flight.
> Marek Malolepszy
> CA

But that's old stuff now. He did 3000 k and a bit,
last year or year before.
CV

[CV]

Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Oscar wrote:
>
>> How does that compare with this 2463km claim by Stemme?
>> "This was proven not at least with the sensational flight of Klaus
>> Ohlmann
>> in the Andes: 2463 km of pure gliding in 14 hours in Dec. 2000 with a
>> STEMME
>> S 10-VT" - complete article see here
>> http://www.stemme.de/daten/e/index.html
>> (go to Our Aircraft > S10-VT > The Philosophy)
>>
>> Oscar
>>
>>
>> "Burt Compton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> From the New Zealand newswire / Breaking News:
>>>
>>> Delore flies 2190km, breaks record
>>> 07 December 2004
>
>
> Klaus' flight was not a straight line?

No it wasn't, and his 3000k+ flight in a Nimbus 4 a year or two
ago wasn't either.

Another possible difference: Klaus flew a motorglider. The
OT doesn't say if the ASH25 in question was a pure glider.
If it was they'd be classed as different records.

CV

[Eric Greenwell]

CV wrote:

> Another possible difference: Klaus flew a motorglider. The
> OT doesn't say if the ASH25 in question was a pure glider.
> If it was they'd be classed as different records.

The ASH 25 M used by Delore/Fossett is a motorglider, but it doesn't
matter, as the FAI combined glider and motorglider categories several
years ago.


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[tango4]

"F.L. Whiteley" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> "F.L. Whiteley" > writes:
>>
>> How do you define `straight'?
>>
>> --
>> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
> Doesn't matter how I define straight, but how the FAI defines it for a
> record.


It's the < FAI great circle ie: shortest distance in a straight line )
distance between the start and finish, with no turnpoints.

Ian