Car Salesmen and Soaring

[KiloKilo]

The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
people based on occupation. Nurses and school teachers had the highest
90% ratings ... car salesman were lowest at sub 10%. Tim Mara at Wings
and Wheels was a car salesman in a former life. Knowing Tim, I would
say the survey is accurate.

[Pat Russell]

I'm glad Tim is more trustworthy now. I don't think I'd be
tempted to spend my life's savings on a car.

[Vorsanger1]

I hope the comment by KiloKilo was intended as a joke. All my dealings with
Tim have been excellent in all respects, unlike those with some individual in
the soaring community who is known never to have been a car salesman!

Cheers, Charles

[Joseph L. Hyde]

Is this a joke??? I hope so! Tim may be opinionated and sometimes I
haven't always agreed with some of those opinions, but doing business with
wings and wheels has always been straight up. Never had a problem on a
return and shipping was same or next day.

He provides a great service with the for sale web site. I would wager a
large percentage of US used glider sales have been posted on his site.

(hey Tim,,,,do I get a small discount on the next order???)


Joe Hyde

"32"




"KiloKilo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
> people based on occupation. Nurses and school teachers had the highest
> 90% ratings ... car salesman were lowest at sub 10%. Tim Mara at Wings
> and Wheels was a car salesman in a former life. Knowing Tim, I would
> say the survey is accurate.
>

[Wayne Paul]

"Vorsanger1" > wrote in message
...
> I hope the comment by KiloKilo was intended as a joke. All my dealings
with
> Tim have been excellent in all respects, unlike those with some individual
in
> the soaring community who is known never to have been a car salesman!
>
> Cheers, Charles

I have been a customer of Tim's for the past ten years and never have had an
experience that would cause me to question his integrity.

KiloKilo's post was either a failed attempt at humor or an inappropriate
"cheap shot."

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Bill Daniels]

"Wayne Paul" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Vorsanger1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I hope the comment by KiloKilo was intended as a joke. All my dealings
> with
> > Tim have been excellent in all respects, unlike those with some
individual
> in
> > the soaring community who is known never to have been a car salesman!
> >
> > Cheers, Charles
>
> I have been a customer of Tim's for the past ten years and never have had
an
> experience that would cause me to question his integrity.
>
> KiloKilo's post was either a failed attempt at humor or an inappropriate
> "cheap shot."
>
> Wayne
> http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder
>
>

I agree with Wayne and the others writing in support of Tim.

I have asked for Tim's advice on products and then spent considerable money
based on that advice. I haven't been disappointed.

Bill Daniels

[Ray Lovinggood]

I hope KiloKilo is kidding here.

I wish I had known Tim BEFORE I bought my glider more
than 10 years ago. I might still have gotten the same
glider, but he might have advised me on the real market
value of the ship. Since I've known about Tim and
his services, I've always been pleased with his products
and his advice.

If he had a car to sell, and I needed to buy a car,
I wouldn't have any reservations about buying from
him. As long as the car didn't come from where he
lives: The Rust Belt.

Ray Lovinggood
A satisfied customer of Wings and Wheels
(I just wish I could get my wife to shop at www.wingsandwheels.com
)



At 12:30 08 December 2004, Kilokilo wrote:
>The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans
>viewed
>people based on occupation. Nurses and school teachers
>had the highest
>90% ratings ... car salesman were lowest at sub 10%.
> Tim Mara at Wings
>and Wheels was a car salesman in a former life. Knowing
>Tim, I would
>say the survey is accurate.
>
>

[Pete Reinhart]

What a cheap shot!
I was out of soaring for an extended time and when I came back, I was
fortunate enough to find Tim's business and services. He has never steered
me wrong and I think he gives back a great deal to the very small gliding
community.
If you have some personal or business issues with him, why don't you find
another arena to settle them.
Character assasination is offensive to me and I suspect to others as well.



"KiloKilo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
> people based on occupation. Nurses and school teachers had the highest
> 90% ratings ... car salesman were lowest at sub 10%. Tim Mara at Wings
> and Wheels was a car salesman in a former life. Knowing Tim, I would
> say the survey is accurate.
>

[HL Falbaum]

I have had many dealings with Tim, and never been misled. A few times I
wanted to order something and he advised me not to buy--but to fix what I
had. He could have easily sold me what I didn't need. Everything I have
bought has been "as advertised". Diogenes would be pleased with Tim.

--
Hartley Falbaum


"Pete Reinhart" > wrote in message
...
> What a cheap shot!
> I was out of soaring for an extended time and when I came back, I was
> fortunate enough to find Tim's business and services. He has never steered
> me wrong and I think he gives back a great deal to the very small gliding
> community.
> If you have some personal or business issues with him, why don't you find
> another arena to settle them.
> Character assasination is offensive to me and I suspect to others as well.
>
>
>
> "KiloKilo" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
>> people based on occupation. Nurses and school teachers had the highest
>> 90% ratings ... car salesman were lowest at sub 10%. Tim Mara at Wings
>> and Wheels was a car salesman in a former life. Knowing Tim, I would
>> say the survey is accurate.
>>
>
>

[PSUSOAR]

1.) What a cheap-shot!

2.) Tim Marra and his opperation @ Wings & Wheels are both 1st Class. He is
honest, opperates according to very professioanl business practices, works long
hours (so he can provides HUGE amounts of free advice/support --even on
products he does not sell), sells at very fair prices (often the lowest pricing
you can find anywhere) and is a true supporter of Soaring. I'll say that again
--he is a true supporter of soaring in every respect. His character is beyond
question within the soaing community.

3.) How dare you use RAS as your forum to spew-off such agressive bull-****.
If you have a misuderstanding with Tim Marra, pick up the phone, explain your
problem and then listen to what he says in response. I am convinced that Tim
can find a solution to just about any problem -- if the person he is dealing
with is reasonable and honest. Give it a try, you might be supprised.

4.) Please thing hard about your original post and what it means...and then do
the right thing --apologize to Tim (using this thread) for using RAS as a
public forum.


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I believe Tom Knauff also sold cars in a previous life. Perhaps that
explains his "Gliders are free!" sales pitch. Still as long he doesn't
try to sell you a special undercoating or upholstery treatment for your
new Discus he's okay with me.

[[email protected]]

Oh, I hope that Kilo Kilo was trying to be funny. Like everybody else
I have found Tim to be very helpfull and honest. He meets his
deadlines and the products he offers are as advertized. Keep up the
good work Tim

Tom
Idaho

[Steve Hill]

Man...I look forward to reading the R.A.S postings generally...it MUST be
winter and people have nothing better to do than to try to start
fights...For my two cents worth Tim Mara has been fair and honest and never
once lied or mis-led in any way shape or form...I have bought items from him
for at least 5 years and he's not let me down once. total respect for the
man and his store...Plus I love looking at his used classifieds...And he
really is great about offering advice...

The guy who attacked Tim should be emberassed...The one thing about this
venue, is that it's pretty hard to not end up looking like an ass...to
everyone...when you act like one.

I sorta like that.


Steve.

[Jack]

KiloKilo wrote:

> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
> people based on occupation.

After reading your post I can see that you are not a member of that
"trustworthy" group, whatever that means in the context of such a
poll. Character, good judgment and restraint are required, I would expect.

Since you don't bother to use your real name here and Tim does, a
point goes to Tim. Since Tim doesn't disparage others on an open
forum, but you do, that's another point for Tim. Tim provides a
service to the soaring community far beyond any that I see you doing,
so you lose again.

Tell you what, KK, let me know what business you're in and I guarantee
I'll not darken your door with money in my hand. But I do intend to do
business again with Tim Mara.


Jack

[KiloKilo]

Tim is blessed ... he is a great guy as we all know and has friends
across the country ... many who probably never met him. He used to go
to a couple of meets a season .... competing or selling stuff ... and
it was always great to hang with Tim. However, over the last few
years, he has become something of a hermit ... running his business 14
x 7 from his basement office ... never going to meets anymore. He
really has sounded burnt-out and borderline bitter the last few times I
have talked with him ... I hoped my trolling would elicit some
supportive comments to remind him how much he is liked in the community
.... that he should get out ... go to a few meets next season ... and
meet old and new friends again. Merry Xmas, Tim.

[Brad]

I'll take this a your legit feelings about Tim.......I'm glad I did not
jump on the bandwagon and trash you......I came veeeery close.........I
have had nothing but good experience with Tim, as have all the other
posters to this thread............Thanks for coming clean. And thanks
Tim for what you do for the soaring community.

Cheers,
Brad
199AK

[Stewart Kissel]

Gee Kilo-Kilo-

Thanks for the unsolicited analysis of Tim for us...and
particularly under an anonymous name. Just wondering
if this is how you treat your 'friends', what we should
expect from your comments about 'nonfriends'.




At 02:00 09 December 2004, Kilokilo wrote:
>Tim is blessed ... he is a great guy as we all know
>and has friends
>across the country ... many who probably never met
>him. He used to go
>to a couple of meets a season .... competing or selling
>stuff ... and
>it was always great to hang with Tim. However, over
>the last few
>years, he has become something of a hermit ... running
>his business 14
>x 7 from his basement office ... never going to meets
>anymore. He
>really has sounded burnt-out and borderline bitter
>the last few times I
>have talked with him ... I hoped my trolling would
>elicit some
>supportive comments to remind him how much he is liked
>in the community
>.... that he should get out ... go to a few meets
>next season ... and
>meet old and new friends again. Merry Xmas, Tim.
>
>

[Rick Hernan]

We at Brokenstraw Soaring Club in northwestern PA are fortunate to have Tim
in our club. He does fly frequently with us, and does a great job
instructing beginning students and new cross country pilots as well. For
those of you who have never met Tim and want to see what he looks like,
check out the photos at www.flybrokenstraw.com and follow the links to Tim's
web pages.


"KiloKilo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Tim is blessed ... he is a great guy as we all know and has friends
> across the country ... many who probably never met him. He used to go
> to a couple of meets a season .... competing or selling stuff ... and
> it was always great to hang with Tim. However, over the last few
> years, he has become something of a hermit ... running his business 14
> x 7 from his basement office ... never going to meets anymore. He
> really has sounded burnt-out and borderline bitter the last few times I
> have talked with him ... I hoped my trolling would elicit some
> supportive comments to remind him how much he is liked in the community
> ... that he should get out ... go to a few meets next season ... and
> meet old and new friends again. Merry Xmas, Tim.
>

[Kevin Christner]

You may not know this but Tim has two daughters now that take up all of
his time. Sophie and Maggie are just rambunctious little girls who
never stop begging for dad to come play.

Rumor has it that he also adopted a son last year when his parents
didn't want to pay his college bills. I think that means the adopted
son gets a new car and a new glider for Christmas.....

[Tim Mara]

Thanks for all of you who have jumped to my support both on RAS and
privately......!
You fine comments are certainly appreciated....it does one's heart good to
hear that what I've done has been appreciated...
but please, before coming down on "kilo kilo" too hard, I know his comment
was in gist and probably should have said so, but it wasn't
malicious.....KK is actually a very good customer and ....I hope also a
friend as well. KK has called and emailed me personally to be sure I knew,
what was, as I suspected not meant to be inflammatory and that his comments
were not taken wrong...
Again, my most appreciated and heartfelt thanks go out to all who have
commented....
best regards
Tim Mara
Wings & Wheels


"Jack" > wrote in message
m...
> KiloKilo wrote:
>
>> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
>> people based on occupation.
>
> After reading your post I can see that you are not a member of that
> "trustworthy" group, whatever that means in the context of such a poll.
> Character, good judgment and restraint are required, I would expect.
>
> Since you don't bother to use your real name here and Tim does, a point
> goes to Tim. Since Tim doesn't disparage others on an open forum, but you
> do, that's another point for Tim. Tim provides a service to the soaring
> community far beyond any that I see you doing, so you lose again.
>
> Tell you what, KK, let me know what business you're in and I guarantee
> I'll not darken your door with money in my hand. But I do intend to do
> business again with Tim Mara.
>
>
> Jack

[Maule Driver]

Hey Kilo Kilo - if this is the KK I know, it feels like Blairstown all over
again. Thick skins required for entry.

Tim, I never got to know you but we met up on Harris Hill when you were
first starting the business out. Fact is you sold me some tape or something
that didn't work that well in my opinion but you were selling the heck out
of it. Good job! The key is, you stuck with it and became one of the key
guys in soaring supplies. Thanks!

Foureyes

"KiloKilo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Tim is blessed ... he is a great guy as we all know and has friends
> across the country ... many who probably never met him. He used to go
> to a couple of meets a season .... competing or selling stuff ... and
> it was always great to hang with Tim. However, over the last few
> years, he has become something of a hermit ... running his business 14
> x 7 from his basement office ... never going to meets anymore. He
> really has sounded burnt-out and borderline bitter the last few times I
> have talked with him ... I hoped my trolling would elicit some
> supportive comments to remind him how much he is liked in the community
> ... that he should get out ... go to a few meets next season ... and
> meet old and new friends again. Merry Xmas, Tim.
>

[Bryan]

Class!

Happy Holidays,
Bryan


"Tim Mara" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for all of you who have jumped to my support both on RAS and
> privately......!
> You fine comments are certainly appreciated....it does one's heart good to
> hear that what I've done has been appreciated...
> but please, before coming down on "kilo kilo" too hard, I know his comment
> was in gist and probably should have said so, but it wasn't
> malicious.....KK is actually a very good customer and ....I hope also a
> friend as well. KK has called and emailed me personally to be sure I
> knew, what was, as I suspected not meant to be inflammatory and that his
> comments were not taken wrong...
> Again, my most appreciated and heartfelt thanks go out to all who have
> commented....
> best regards
> Tim Mara
> Wings & Wheels
>
>
> "Jack" > wrote in message
> m...
>> KiloKilo wrote:
>>
>>> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
>>> people based on occupation.
>>
>> After reading your post I can see that you are not a member of that
>> "trustworthy" group, whatever that means in the context of such a poll.
>> Character, good judgment and restraint are required, I would expect.
>>
>> Since you don't bother to use your real name here and Tim does, a point
>> goes to Tim. Since Tim doesn't disparage others on an open forum, but you
>> do, that's another point for Tim. Tim provides a service to the soaring
>> community far beyond any that I see you doing, so you lose again.
>>
>> Tell you what, KK, let me know what business you're in and I guarantee
>> I'll not darken your door with money in my hand. But I do intend to do
>> business again with Tim Mara.
>>
>>
>> Jack
>
>
>

[KiloKilo]

Foureyes (4Is),

Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a return
for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he does
now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of the
sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to this
group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh, well.
Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.

KK

[Maule Driver]

Sometimes I do regret giving the '6 up. But I regret leaving you guys even
more. Ripping each other to shreds each week kept all those egos in check -
along with landouts and beer. It was the best of times at any airport I've
ever been too.... and I live on one now!

We both miss you and the crew. Say Hi and let us know about the next
contest in the spring and we'll show up! ...sans hook

Happy Holidays to you and Karen (we hope) and yours!

BTW, Tim, if KK says you need to get out more, don't worry, he never knew
what he was talking about. But everyone in this overly tight thread already
knows that.

"KiloKilo" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Foureyes (4Is),
>
> Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a return
> for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he does
> now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of the
> sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to this
> group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh, well.
> Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
> Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.
>
> KK
>

[[email protected]]

Ken,

Some people get things confused. "I" am not ignorant; therefore "you"
must be anonymous.

I assumed that Blairstown angst was a byproduct of UM's need for
constant entertainment. Did I have it all wrong? Was Dave a product of
Blairstown and not the other way around?


KiloKilo wrote:
> Foureyes (4Is),
>
> Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a return
> for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he does
> now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of the
> sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to
this
> group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh, well.
> Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
> Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.
>
> KK

[UMomma]

Der Kreis ist unversehrt!!!!

KK - glad to see you are still able to throw rocks in the hornet's nest
& come out "un-stung".

4I - I have been "out" of soaring going on 4+ years. But, not a day
goes by where it doesn't cross my mind. Weekends spent w/ you guys @
Blairstown, Watson's task de jours and the kind & gentle way we would
refer to each other -are among my fondest memories!

Tim - KK has referred to me as "Pudnocker", "Scoundrel", "A worthless
piece of Swamp Slime" & "The worst excuse for a competition pilot ever
to step into a glider"...its just his way of saying "Hi!" & "I wish I
was as good as you @ this sport"...oops, probably shouldn't have
written that last part....;-)

Kudos guys - long time, so see...

UMomma

Maule Driver wrote:
> Sometimes I do regret giving the '6 up. But I regret leaving you
guys even
> more. Ripping each other to shreds each week kept all those egos in
check -
> along with landouts and beer. It was the best of times at any
airport I've
> ever been too.... and I live on one now!
>
> We both miss you and the crew. Say Hi and let us know about the next
> contest in the spring and we'll show up! ...sans hook
>
> Happy Holidays to you and Karen (we hope) and yours!
>
> BTW, Tim, if KK says you need to get out more, don't worry, he never
knew
> what he was talking about. But everyone in this overly tight thread
already
> knows that.
>
> "KiloKilo" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Foureyes (4Is),
> >
> > Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a
return
> > for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he does
> > now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of the
> > sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to
this
> > group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh,
well.
> > Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
> > Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.
> >
> > KK
> >

[[email protected]]

It should be noted for the record that KK did not, in fact, come away
without injury from his heinous and ill considered blast.
It has been reported that he is once again grounded due to his
inability to walk to his lovely, but lonely ASW-27. This inability is
apparently due to damage caused by "big footie" stepping on "little
willie" causing crippling pain.
Sadly, not the first time this has happened.
U Momma- good to see that the medication is finally working.
UH
UMomma wrote:
> Der Kreis ist unversehrt!!!!
>
> KK - glad to see you are still able to throw rocks in the hornet's
nest
> & come out "un-stung".
>
> 4I - I have been "out" of soaring going on 4+ years. But, not a day
> goes by where it doesn't cross my mind. Weekends spent w/ you guys @
> Blairstown, Watson's task de jours and the kind & gentle way we would
> refer to each other -are among my fondest memories!
>
> Tim - KK has referred to me as "Pudnocker", "Scoundrel", "A worthless
> piece of Swamp Slime" & "The worst excuse for a competition pilot
ever
> to step into a glider"...its just his way of saying "Hi!" & "I wish I
> was as good as you @ this sport"...oops, probably shouldn't have
> written that last part....;-)
>
> Kudos guys - long time, so see...
>
> UMomma
>
> Maule Driver wrote:
> > Sometimes I do regret giving the '6 up. But I regret leaving you
> guys even
> > more. Ripping each other to shreds each week kept all those egos
in
> check -
> > along with landouts and beer. It was the best of times at any
> airport I've
> > ever been too.... and I live on one now!
> >
> > We both miss you and the crew. Say Hi and let us know about the
next
> > contest in the spring and we'll show up! ...sans hook
> >
> > Happy Holidays to you and Karen (we hope) and yours!
> >
> > BTW, Tim, if KK says you need to get out more, don't worry, he
never
> knew
> > what he was talking about. But everyone in this overly tight
thread
> already
> > knows that.
> >
> > "KiloKilo" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > Foureyes (4Is),
> > >
> > > Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a
> return
> > > for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he
does
> > > now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of
the
> > > sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to
> this
> > > group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh,
> well.
> > > Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
> > > Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.
> > >
> > > KK
> > >

[Papa3]

wrote:
>
> I assumed that Blairstown angst was a byproduct of UM's need for
> constant entertainment. Did I have it all wrong? Was Dave a product
of
> Blairstown and not the other way around?
>

Observation suggests that UM's personality is a product of unfortunate
decisions made earlier in life. Toxicology reports are still
outstanding.

As for the remainder of the ACA crowd at Blairstown, I refer you to the
fine print on any number of Anheuser Busch products.

Merry Christmas to All
P3

p.s. 4I and UM, ya'll missed the record day of record days a week
back. SE ridge 20kts at ridgetop without the rain. Now don't you
wish you were back...

[Maule Driver]

Why can't we all just get along..... and go race somewhere?

Miss you too man!

"UMomma" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Der Kreis ist unversehrt!!!!
>
> KK - glad to see you are still able to throw rocks in the hornet's nest
> & come out "un-stung".
>
> 4I - I have been "out" of soaring going on 4+ years. But, not a day
> goes by where it doesn't cross my mind. Weekends spent w/ you guys @
> Blairstown, Watson's task de jours and the kind & gentle way we would
> refer to each other -are among my fondest memories!
>
> Tim - KK has referred to me as "Pudnocker", "Scoundrel", "A worthless
> piece of Swamp Slime" & "The worst excuse for a competition pilot ever
> to step into a glider"...its just his way of saying "Hi!" & "I wish I
> was as good as you @ this sport"...oops, probably shouldn't have
> written that last part....;-)
>
> Kudos guys - long time, so see...
>
> UMomma
>
> Maule Driver wrote:
> > Sometimes I do regret giving the '6 up. But I regret leaving you
> guys even
> > more. Ripping each other to shreds each week kept all those egos in
> check -
> > along with landouts and beer. It was the best of times at any
> airport I've
> > ever been too.... and I live on one now!
> >
> > We both miss you and the crew. Say Hi and let us know about the next
> > contest in the spring and we'll show up! ...sans hook
> >
> > Happy Holidays to you and Karen (we hope) and yours!
> >
> > BTW, Tim, if KK says you need to get out more, don't worry, he never
> knew
> > what he was talking about. But everyone in this overly tight thread
> already
> > knows that.
> >
> > "KiloKilo" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > Foureyes (4Is),
> > >
> > > Hey, I remember that tape, I'm sure Tim does too, but he had a
> return
> > > for exchange/refund no-questions-asked policy ... just like he does
> > > now. So, don't you regret selling your LS-6 and getting out of the
> > > sport ... look at all the fun your missing. I've been posting to
> this
> > > group for almost a decade but I'm now called anonymous ... oh,
> well.
> > > Maybe you can bring that Maule up to a contest and give us a tow.
> > > Happy Holidays to you and Alicia.
> > >
> > > KK
> > >
>

[Nyal Williams]

Um,

Is this an international discussion list, or is it
the society page from a small-town newspaper?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

[Papa3]

Nyal Williams wrote:
> Um,
>
> Is this an international discussion list, or is it
> the society page from a small-town newspaper?
>
> Inquiring minds wanna know.

It's actually a local node of the international discussion list,
populated primarily by frustrated Northeastern (US) pilots facing 4
months of non-flyable weather. Don't worry, it will only get worse...
Eagerly awaiting the first salvo in the annual "PW-5s are the reason
for the downfall of western civilization as we know it" campaign.

>From beautiful downtown Jersey City New Jersey, where it's cold and
raining - again.

P3

[KiloKilo]

Dave was the product of Mr. and Mrs. Michaud (well, let's at least
assume so) and undergraduate psych simply does not give me the
background to understand Dave more then that. So I guess he was a
'complete' product when he arrived ... with official paperwork, like
Bobby Templin, that certified he was cured and ready to take back his
place in society.

[Tim Mara]

same to you
best regards
tim

"Bryan" > wrote in message
...
>
> Class!
>
> Happy Holidays,
> Bryan
>
>
> "Tim Mara" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Thanks for all of you who have jumped to my support both on RAS and
>> privately......!
>> You fine comments are certainly appreciated....it does one's heart good
>> to hear that what I've done has been appreciated...
>> but please, before coming down on "kilo kilo" too hard, I know his
>> comment was in gist and probably should have said so, but it wasn't
>> malicious.....KK is actually a very good customer and ....I hope also a
>> friend as well. KK has called and emailed me personally to be sure I
>> knew, what was, as I suspected not meant to be inflammatory and that his
>> comments were not taken wrong...
>> Again, my most appreciated and heartfelt thanks go out to all who have
>> commented....
>> best regards
>> Tim Mara
>> Wings & Wheels
>>
>>
>> "Jack" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> KiloKilo wrote:
>>>
>>>> The local morning news looked at how trustworthy americans viewed
>>>> people based on occupation.
>>>
>>> After reading your post I can see that you are not a member of that
>>> "trustworthy" group, whatever that means in the context of such a poll.
>>> Character, good judgment and restraint are required, I would expect.
>>>
>>> Since you don't bother to use your real name here and Tim does, a point
>>> goes to Tim. Since Tim doesn't disparage others on an open forum, but
>>> you do, that's another point for Tim. Tim provides a service to the
>>> soaring community far beyond any that I see you doing, so you lose
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Tell you what, KK, let me know what business you're in and I guarantee
>>> I'll not darken your door with money in my hand. But I do intend to do
>>> business again with Tim Mara.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Tim Mara]

thanks again for the kind words.....
tim

"Maule Driver" > wrote in message
. com...
> Hey Kilo Kilo - if this is the KK I know, it feels like Blairstown all
> over
> again. Thick skins required for entry.
>
> Tim, I never got to know you but we met up on Harris Hill when you were
> first starting the business out. Fact is you sold me some tape or
> something
> that didn't work that well in my opinion but you were selling the heck out
> of it. Good job! The key is, you stuck with it and became one of the key
> guys in soaring supplies. Thanks!
>
> Foureyes
>
> "KiloKilo" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Tim is blessed ... he is a great guy as we all know and has friends
>> across the country ... many who probably never met him. He used to go
>> to a couple of meets a season .... competing or selling stuff ... and
>> it was always great to hang with Tim. However, over the last few
>> years, he has become something of a hermit ... running his business 14
>> x 7 from his basement office ... never going to meets anymore. He
>> really has sounded burnt-out and borderline bitter the last few times I
>> have talked with him ... I hoped my trolling would elicit some
>> supportive comments to remind him how much he is liked in the community
>> ... that he should get out ... go to a few meets next season ... and
>> meet old and new friends again. Merry Xmas, Tim.
>>
>
>

[Nyal Williams]

At 22:30 10 December 2004, Papa3 wrote:
>
>Nyal Williams wrote:
>> Um,
>>
>> Is this an international discussion list, or is it
>> the society page from a small-town newspaper?
>>
>> Inquiring minds wanna know.
>
>It's actually a local node of the international discussion
>list,
>populated primarily by frustrated Northeastern (US)
>pilots facing 4
>months of non-flyable weather. Don't worry, it will
>only get worse...
>Eagerly awaiting the first salvo in the annual 'PW-5s
>are the reason
>for the downfall of western civilization as we know
>it' campaign.
>
>>From beautiful downtown Jersey City New Jersey, where
>>it's cold and
>raining - again.
>
>P3

Same here. I just wanna remind the Neds in the local
node that they should give a nod to the international
list by noting that they don't need to know all this
-- but you knowed that.

[Jack]

Tim Mara wrote:

> Thanks for all of you who have jumped to my support....

[....]

> ...but please, before coming down on "kilo kilo" too hard, I know his comment
> ...wasn't malicious. KK is actually a very good customer and I hope also a
> friend as well.

KK, it would seem that apologies are in order. So, I apologize for
taking your bait and rising to defend ol' Tim. Though I was not alone,
I may have been a little too aggressive. Had I known of the justly won
reputation of the stalwarts from ACA, I would have been a lot more
suspicious of such a troll.

By the time I've been around here for ten years as you have, maybe
I'll be a little more circumspect -- but then again, probably not.


Jack

[[email protected]]

Think locally, talk globally. It's the American way!

Who gave write permission to these foreigners anyway?

Cheers!

Nyal Williams wrote:
> Um,
>
> Is this an international discussion list, or is it
> the society page from a small-town newspaper?
>
> Inquiring minds wanna know.

[ASW20747]

Before this thread gets too far off topic...let me just chime in to say -

KK, in a strange way, I'm glad you made that original post. However you
intended it, it doesn't really matter, but gives us all a chance to give Tim a
MUCH deserved "thank you" for the many, many years of GREAT service.

THANK YOU TIM!! Your service is Superb and Very much appreciated.

Erik Larson / XL