Formation flying

[Bingo]

Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?

Bingo

[Bingo]

No, I meant 500 ft msl, field elev. 180 ft.


"Bryan Martin" > wrote in message
...
> in article t, Bingo at
> wrote on 8/16/04 8:00 PM:
>
> > Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
160
> > mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
> >
> > Bingo
> >
> >
>
> You meant to say 500 ft agl, right?
> Such a flight is allowed under certain conditions. Do google searches on
FAR
> 91.111 and FAR 91.119.
>

[Blueskies]

"Bingo" > wrote in message nk.net...
> Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
> mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>
> Bingo
>
>

Used to be fine, but who knows now-a-days...

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article t>,
"Bingo" > wrote:

> Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
> mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>
> Bingo
>
>

Yes -- as long as all members of the flight have agreed to the flight.
The pass down the runway is usually in echelon, followed by the break to
downwind and landing.

[Ron]

Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less than
a mile away, and in-line with the runway?

The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of the
aircraft.

FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."

This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation homes
within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?

160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!

Bango


"Bingo" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
> mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>
> Bingo
>
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:33:06 -0700, "Ron" <no one @home.com> wrote:

>The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
>1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of the
>aircraft.

If that's the part that's bothering you, then the fact that they are in
formation is moot. It's no more legal...or illegal...to do it as part of a
formation than it is to do solo.

Fly a low pass over a runway with no intention of landing? Heck, I've done
it. Bet I ain't the only one....

Ron Wanttaja

[Scott]

Keep reading. What about over UNCONGESTED areas? One only has to keep
a distance of 500 feet from any person or object, therefore I (we) could
fly 1 foot above the surface as long as we were 500 feet laterally from
any person or object. Of course, the other reg that comes into play
with any of these scenarios is the one that says something like "or
flight at an altitude that that does not place undue hazard to persons
or property on the ground should an emergency arise, ie engine out."
Since we don't know where the intended formation flight is planned, it
may or may not be legal.

As far as flying down a runway with no intention to land, yes, I'm sure
we've all done it. Can you say "shoot practice approaches or simulated
engine outs at an airport?" I thought you could...


Scott


Ron wrote:
> Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> 'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less than
> a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
>
> The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
> 1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of the
> aircraft.
>
> FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
> city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
>
> This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation homes
> within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
>
> 160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
>
> Bango
>
>
> "Bingo" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
>>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>>
>>Bingo
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Jerry Springer]

Ron wrote:
> Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> 'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less than
> a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
>
> The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
> 1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of the
> aircraft.
>
> FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
> city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
>
> This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation homes
> within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
>
> 160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
>
> Bango
>
>
> "Bingo" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
>>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>>
>>Bingo
>>
>>
>
>
>
You've never made a low pass down the runway in your Ultrlight? :-) The
formation part has nothing to do with it. Can't you all just get a long at 7S5? :-)

Jerry

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:33:06 -0700, "Ron" <no one @home.com> wrote:
>Fly a low pass over a runway with no intention of landing? Heck, I've done
>it. Bet I ain't the only one....

Well Ron I must confess to doing what we call "gear checks" around here .I've
also done deer checks ,duck checks,runway checks (looking for sink holes),
people checks, personal checks, ramp checks ,bounced checks,Czech checks,
rubber checks (hmmmm),past checks and checkered past checks....

Chuck(el Pollo Loco aks Head Ducks in a row checker)S

[B2431]

<snip>
>
>Well Ron I must confess to doing what we call "gear checks" around here .I've
>also done deer checks ,duck checks,runway checks (looking for sink holes),
>people checks, personal checks, ramp checks ,bounced checks,Czech checks,
>rubber checks (hmmmm),past checks and checkered past checks....
>
>Chuck(el Pollo Loco aks Head Ducks in a row checker)S

Check, Chuck, gotcha. No check ride? Ever ridden a Czech? If so, have you told
your wife?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, B2431 says...
>

>
><snip>
>>
>>Well Ron I must confess to doing what we call "gear checks" around here .I've
>>also done deer checks ,duck checks,runway checks (looking for sink holes),
>>people checks, personal checks, ramp checks ,bounced checks,Czech checks,
>>rubber checks (hmmmm),past checks and checkered past checks....
>>
>>Chuck(el Pollo Loco aks Head Ducks in a row checker)S
>
>Check, Chuck, gotcha. No check ride? Ever ridden a Czech? If so, have you told
>your wife?

Hmmm how did I forget Check ride?? Any Czech riding was before we were married.
When I was single I had lots of Carnival knowledge with
Czechs,Poles,Germans.Mountain Williams etc...I was an equal opportunity checker
LOL!!!

See ya

Chuck (check out line checker) S RAH-14/1 ret

[Matt Whiting]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:33:06 -0700, "Ron" <no one @home.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
>>1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of the
>>aircraft.
>
>
> If that's the part that's bothering you, then the fact that they are in
> formation is moot. It's no more legal...or illegal...to do it as part of a
> formation than it is to do solo.
>
> Fly a low pass over a runway with no intention of landing? Heck, I've done
> it. Bet I ain't the only one....
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>

Well, I always intended to land, but thought I saw something on the
runway... :-)


Matt

[Bingo]

We ARE good pilots - it's just that some of us don't know the FARs very
well.

<G>

Jim


"Ron" <no one @home.com> wrote in message
...
> Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> 'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less
than
> a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
>
> The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less than
> 1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of
the
> aircraft.
>
> FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
> city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
>
> This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation homes
> within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
>
> 160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
>
> Bango
>
>
> "Bingo" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
160
> > mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
> >
> > Bingo
> >
> >
>
>

[Morgans]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote

> When I was single I had lots of Carnival knowledge with
> Czechs,Poles,Germans.Mountain Williams etc...I was an equal opportunity
checker
> LOL!!!
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (check out line checker) S RAH-14/1 ret

And after such checks, you were a pecker checker?
--
Jim in NC


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[Bingo]

BUT that all being equal..............in order to do a pass at 500 ft down
34 you have to pass over what I am sure would be a congested area in the
eyes of Big Brother. I am just being the devil's advocate here. I have
also done this low pass stuff but I never did it without flying a VFR
pattern and calling a go-around. That is legal. A pass over the airport
that has to pass over town isn't legal. FAR 91.111 is moot - we all have
and give permission.

Jim

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> Keep reading. What about over UNCONGESTED areas? One only has to keep
> a distance of 500 feet from any person or object, therefore I (we) could
> fly 1 foot above the surface as long as we were 500 feet laterally from
> any person or object. Of course, the other reg that comes into play
> with any of these scenarios is the one that says something like "or
> flight at an altitude that that does not place undue hazard to persons
> or property on the ground should an emergency arise, ie engine out."
> Since we don't know where the intended formation flight is planned, it
> may or may not be legal.
>
> As far as flying down a runway with no intention to land, yes, I'm sure
> we've all done it. Can you say "shoot practice approaches or simulated
> engine outs at an airport?" I thought you could...
>
>
> Scott
>
>
> Ron wrote:
> > Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> > 'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> > pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less
than
> > a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
> >
> > The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less
than
> > 1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of
the
> > aircraft.
> >
> > FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
> > city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> > altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> > radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
> >
> > This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation
homes
> > within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
> >
> > 160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
> >
> > Bango
> >
> >
> > "Bingo" > wrote in message
> > nk.net...
> >
> >>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
160
> >>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
> >>
> >>Bingo
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Bingo]

That's pretty funny JS - did I tell you it was a weed whacker pilot who was
doing the initial screaming (no offense to Ron or Mike or the other ULPA
guys here)? We actually do get along - it is just more fun this way.

Jim


"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Ron wrote:
> > Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> > 'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> > pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less
than
> > a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
> >
> > The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less
than
> > 1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of
the
> > aircraft.
> >
> > FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
> > city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> > altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> > radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
> >
> > This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation
homes
> > within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
> >
> > 160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
> >
> > Bango
> >
> >
> > "Bingo" > wrote in message
> > nk.net...
> >
> >>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
160
> >>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
> >>
> >>Bingo
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> You've never made a low pass down the runway in your Ultrlight? :-) The
> formation part has nothing to do with it. Can't you all just get a long at
7S5? :-)
>
> Jerry
>

[Del Rawlins]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:47 GMT, "Bingo" > wrote:

>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at 160
>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?

Certainly there is no rule prohibiting a formation flight from coming
in too hot and needing to go around?


================================================== ==
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[Jerry Springer]

I thought that might be you, I recognize the brand of carburetor. :-)

Jerry



Bingo wrote:
> That's pretty funny JS - did I tell you it was a weed whacker pilot who was
> doing the initial screaming (no offense to Ron or Mike or the other ULPA
> guys here)? We actually do get along - it is just more fun this way.
>
> Jim
>
>
> "Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>
>>>Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
>>>'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
>>>pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less
>
> than
>
>>>a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
>>>
>>>The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less
>
> than
>
>>>1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of
>
> the
>
>>>aircraft.
>>>
>>>FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a
>>>city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
>>>altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
>>>radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
>>>
>>>This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation
>
> homes
>
>>>within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
>>>
>>>160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
>>>
>>>Bango
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bingo" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
>
> 160
>
>>>>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>>>>
>>>>Bingo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You've never made a low pass down the runway in your Ultrlight? :-) The
>>formation part has nothing to do with it. Can't you all just get a long at
>
> 7S5? :-)
>
>>Jerry
>>
>
>
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Morgans says...
>
>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote
>
>> When I was single I had lots of Carnival knowledge with
>> Czechs,Poles,Germans.Mountain Williams etc...I was an equal opportunity
>checker
>> LOL!!!
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck (check out line checker) S RAH-14/1 ret
>
>And after such checks, you were a pecker checker?

Not exactly, that was those ah... San Francisco pilots, unless you mean pecker
checker as in checking chicken beaks:-)

See ya

Chuck (Quacker checker)S

[Bob Martin]

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:47 GMT, "Bingo" > wrote:
>
> >Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
160
> >mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
>
> Certainly there is no rule prohibiting a formation flight from coming
> in too hot and needing to go around?

I would assume as long as you make the appropriate calls ("Anytown traffic,
Airplane 12345 flight of x, turning final for runway n Anytown, low pass.")

[Bingo]

I knew I couldn't get by you but I was really surprised Ron picked it up so
fast............Ron who?



"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
k.net...
> I thought that might be you, I recognize the brand of carburetor. :-)
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> Bingo wrote:
> > That's pretty funny JS - did I tell you it was a weed whacker pilot who
was
> > doing the initial screaming (no offense to Ron or Mike or the other ULPA
> > guys here)? We actually do get along - it is just more fun this way.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
> > link.net...
> >
> >>Ron wrote:
> >>
> >>>Sounds like the hotshots at 7S5 are still trying to show everyone how
> >>>'swell' they can fly. Were there any airplanes with no radios in the
> >>>pattern? Any student pilots in the pattern? Any citizens in town, less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>>a mile away, and in-line with the runway?
> >>>
> >>>The FARs say that whether in formation or not, thou shalt not be less
> >
> > than
> >
> >>>1000' above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2000' of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>aircraft.
> >>>
> >>>FAR Part 91.119 (b), "Over congested areas. Over any congested area of
a
> >>>city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an
> >>>altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal
> >>>radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft."
> >>>
> >>>This would include the homes in the airpark, as well as non-aviation
> >
> > homes
> >
> >>>within a quarter mile of the runway, wouldn't it?
> >>>
> >>>160 mph at 320' agl? WOW! They sure must be good pilots!
> >>>
> >>>Bango
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Bingo" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is it within FARs to do a 4-ship pass down the active at 500 ft msl at
> >
> > 160
> >
> >>>>mph at an uncontrolled airstrip?
> >>>>
> >>>>Bingo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You've never made a low pass down the runway in your Ultrlight? :-) The
> >>formation part has nothing to do with it. Can't you all just get a long
at
> >
> > 7S5? :-)
> >
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Scrappman]

Czech's don't take checks,,,,,,, hehehe
scrappman