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Nick Kennedy[_3_]
April 29th 19, 01:07 AM
I noticed the Ventus 3 took 3 of the top 5 in the 18 meter class.
Looks like to me they have come up with [ again] a very fine ship.
I haven't seen one in person yet, look forward to that day.
On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 8:07:17 PM UTC-4, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> I noticed the Ventus 3 took 3 of the top 5 in the 18 meter class.
> Looks like to me they have come up with [ again] a very fine ship.
> I haven't seen one in person yet, look forward to that day.
It is a very nice ship.
I might note that the pilots were the major reason for the results at Perry.
UH
Tony[_5_]
April 29th 19, 03:09 AM
V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
Tony we were allowed water in FAI combined and handicapped as if dry.
JS[_5_]
April 29th 19, 03:40 AM
On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 5:07:17 PM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> I noticed the Ventus 3 took 3 of the top 5 in the 18 meter class.
> Looks like to me they have come up with [ again] a very fine ship.
> I haven't seen one in person yet, look forward to that day.
My old ASW27 won in 15m class, but it was the pilot.
Thinking I can't do what Bruce Taylor accomplishes in my 29 either.
Jim
Tango Eight
April 29th 19, 04:32 AM
On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
>
> 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
>
> Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
Evan / T8
Ramy[_2_]
April 29th 19, 07:14 AM
Pilots win contests, set records, etc. Not gliders. Of course gliders should be considered also, but so do the instruments, and what not.
Ramy
You’re all a bunch of dry toast.
Nick, she’s the prettiest girl out there.
Her lines will definitely draw you to her and seduce you to the heavens.
You will lose no more.
R
Tony[_5_]
April 29th 19, 12:45 PM
Oops my bad. I think I must've read that in one of Leigh's reports, but she was just referring to open class.
Tim Taylor
April 29th 19, 02:08 PM
T8 wrote Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
And once again the site selection committee put US Nationals at the early part of the season. It is like starting the season with the Super Bowl or World Series.
Tony[_5_]
April 29th 19, 03:04 PM
Or the Daytona 500. Oh wait. Boogity boogity boogity.
I have a friend that always says "You dont have to get ready, if you stay ready!"
CH
Tim Taylor
April 29th 19, 03:41 PM
Tony said Or the Daytona 500. Oh wait. Boogity boogity boogity.
Let's hope we don't damage as many gliders as they did cars at Daytona because of rusty drivers starting the season. You make my point. Drivers championship is decided at the end of the season.
Tim Taylor
April 29th 19, 03:47 PM
Cliff aaid I have a friend that always says "You dont have to get ready, if you stay ready!"
I am guessing your friend doesn't fly gliders and live in the north where it snows. Early nationals favor pilots from the south and those that are retired and can go to Florida, Texas, Arizona or Southern California in the spring.
ripacheco1967
April 29th 19, 04:25 PM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:47:07 AM UTC-5, Tim Taylor wrote:
> I am guessing your friend doesn't fly gliders and live in the north where it snows. Early nationals favor pilots from the south and those that are retired and can go to Florida, Texas, Arizona or Southern California in the spring.
I am new to gliders , I live in Florida , is that good? I thought colorado and other places near mountains was "better" .
Tango Eight
April 29th 19, 06:01 PM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:47:07 AM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> Early nationals favor pilots from the south and those that are retired and can go to Florida, Texas, Arizona or Southern California in the spring.
All nationals favor rich pilots too. Cry me a river.
Evan / T8
Tim Taylor
April 29th 19, 06:08 PM
All nationals favor rich pilots too. Cry me a river.
Evan / T8
Yes Evan, your attitude helps explain why the US continues to underperform at international competitions. We continue to do everything possible to hurt ourselves. From rules, site selection, team selection, and team support the SSA actually seams to want to do poorly.
Tim
Tim Taylor
April 29th 19, 06:17 PM
All nationals favor rich pilots too. Cry me a river.
Evan / T8
Yes Evan, your attitude helps explain why the US continues to underperform at international competitions. We continue to do everything possible to hurt ourselves. From rules, site selection, team selection, and team support; the SSA actually seems to want to do poorly.
Tim
Ramy[_2_]
April 29th 19, 06:34 PM
I realize I am hijacking the thread but if you want to always be ready and live in an area where soaring season never ends and you can fly cross country in thermals or wave every month of the year without having to drive more than 3-4 hours then central California (Bay Area) is your place. Just check OLC...
Ramy
Tango Eight
April 29th 19, 06:53 PM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 1:17:24 PM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> All nationals favor rich pilots too. Cry me a river.
>
> Evan / T8
>
> Yes Evan, your attitude helps explain why the US continues to underperform at international competitions. We continue to do everything possible to hurt ourselves. From rules, site selection, team selection, and team support; the SSA actually seems to want to do poorly.
>
> Tim
That was 6 belly laughs in a row, I counted. Good luck at the Nats Tim.
-Evan
Dan Daly[_2_]
April 29th 19, 07:00 PM
On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> > V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
> >
> > 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
> >
> > Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
>
> Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
>
> 18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
>
> Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
>
> Evan / T8
T8: Nice work in the '20! Second overall and the last day win...
On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> > V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
> >
> > 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
> >
> > Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
>
> Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
>
> 18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
>
> Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
>
> Evan / T8
65 gliders, low weak, blue, and sometimes windy, and not a scratch on a glider.
UH/SST
Ron Gleason
April 29th 19, 07:18 PM
On Monday, 29 April 2019 12:00:45 UTC-6, Dan Daly wrote:
> On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> > > V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
> > >
> > > 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
> > >
> > > Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
> >
> > Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
> >
> > 18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
> >
> > Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
> >
> > Evan / T8
>
> T8: Nice work in the '20! Second overall and the last day win...
T8 would have won if he did not get the 250 UO (unsafe operation) penalty on Wednesday. OUCH
Tango Eight
April 29th 19, 07:34 PM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 2:18:12 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> On Monday, 29 April 2019 12:00:45 UTC-6, Dan Daly wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> > > > V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
> > > >
> > > > 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
> > > >
> > > > Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
> > >
> > > Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
> > >
> > > 18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
> > >
> > > Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
> > >
> > > Evan / T8
> >
> > T8: Nice work in the '20! Second overall and the last day win...
>
> T8 would have won if he did not get the 250 UO (unsafe operation) penalty on Wednesday. OUCH
Yep. I made a mistake / owned it / apologized to the CD even before I knew I'd got the penalty. Crummy pattern for a relight. Didn't scratch anything, but margins were too thin / not up to my usual standard. If that's a national record for a UO penalty, I promise to be humble about it.
-T8
Dan Marotta
April 29th 19, 07:42 PM
Why not just live in the Reno/Carson City area?Â* Or Moriarty, for that
matter.
On 4/29/2019 11:34 AM, Ramy wrote:
> I realize I am hijacking the thread but if you want to always be ready and live in an area where soaring season never ends and you can fly cross country in thermals or wave every month of the year without having to drive more than 3-4 hours then central California (Bay Area) is your place. Just check OLC...
>
> Ramy
--
Dan, 5J
Tony[_5_]
April 29th 19, 08:20 PM
Except for Club Class...plenty of room left on the entry list for Sunday flower 2019!
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 2:34:59 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 2:18:12 PM UTC-4, Ron Gleason wrote:
> > On Monday, 29 April 2019 12:00:45 UTC-6, Dan Daly wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 11:32:18 PM UTC-4, Tango Eight wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> > > > > V3's also took the bottom two spots, or two of the bottom five, considering that the only ones below were withdrawn.
> > > > >
> > > > > 15 and 18m Nationals will be interesting this year now that JS-3s are in the country.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perry is kind of weird with "FAI" classes but no water ballast.
> > > >
> > > > Perry is it's own thing. You have pilots that are current, pilots that are contest current and guys that haven't flown in six months. The weather is whatever it is (highly variable, this year four low blue days, medium hard to really hard).
> > > >
> > > > 18s and 15s allow water. Water was not an advantage this year. I gridded dry three days, carried water halfway around one day, was glad to be rid of it when I finally dumped it.
> > > >
> > > > Gliders win nothing, especially with speeds in 40s, 50s and low 60s.. This year's winners, Dick, Erik, Jason and Chris are a fine bunch of pilots. 15s was a lot of fun. See you guys next year!
> > > >
> > > > Evan / T8
> > >
> > > T8: Nice work in the '20! Second overall and the last day win...
> >
> > T8 would have won if he did not get the 250 UO (unsafe operation) penalty on Wednesday. OUCH
>
> Yep. I made a mistake / owned it / apologized to the CD even before I knew I'd got the penalty. Crummy pattern for a relight. Didn't scratch anything, but margins were too thin / not up to my usual standard. If that's a national record for a UO penalty, I promise to be humble about it.
>
> -T8
Not even close to the record. Record is lose all your points and ejection.
UH
Ramy[_2_]
April 29th 19, 11:27 PM
(Continuing hijacking the thread)
Many folks move to Reno/Carson area to retire and enjoy fantastic soaring for 4-5 month per year, the rest of the year the glider seats in the trailer (except a small handful of pilots who can fly the Sierra wave in class A).
Living in the Bay Area or Central Valley gives you access to great soaring year around.
Ramy
Ill plug AZ too we fly most weekends, if we had a fbo and not a club I would post a xc flight at least every other week all winter long at Prescott :)
Haha Ramy - please let us know what the average cost is of a nice 4,000’ home in SF or the Central Valley?
Warm hugs (and let’s fly together again soon),
Bruno - B4
FWIW comps in our country favour rich pilots too. Come to think of it I can't think of any aspect of gliding which benefits from a shortage of funds.
Cheers Ben
Bruno,
Given the recent price increases I would say that the Central Valley really isn’t much more expensive than the Wasatch Front is these days. But then I live on the eastern side of the Sierra’s so what do I know..
Jonathon May
April 30th 19, 08:32 AM
At 04:46 30 April 2019, wrote:
>Bruno,
>
>Given the recent price increases I would say that the Central
Valley
>really=
> isn=E2=80=99t much more expensive than the Wasatch Front
is these days.
>Bu=
>t then I live on the eastern side of the Sierra=E2=80=99s so
what do I
>know=
>..
>
Back to original thread
One of our club ordered a V3 in 2017 and his provisional delivery
slot is December 2020.
When I spoke to the agent for the ASG29 last year he offered a
canceled order at 3week but said most were waiting for the new
ASG33.
I think the availability of second use ships and the price is the
best indicator of desirability :
There are no V3 available in Europe .
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