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soaringjac
April 30th 19, 05:02 AM
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
What do you think?
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 30th 19, 04:46 PM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>
> What do you think?
Thirty-four bucks for a bag of kitty litter, wow. I throw that stuff away, so I buy the cheaper crap at target and use a leg bag in flight. Keep the kitty in the bag as it were.
soaringjac
April 30th 19, 05:27 PM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> >
> > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Thirty-four bucks for a bag of kitty litter, wow. I throw that stuff away, so I buy the cheaper crap at target and use a leg bag in flight. Keep the kitty in the bag as it were.
its really good stuff though.
JS[_5_]
April 30th 19, 05:42 PM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> its really good stuff though.
So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
Jim
Dan Marotta
April 30th 19, 06:17 PM
....Except when it corrodes anything it gets into.
There are gel filled pee bags available, but the medical grade urinary
bags work just fine.* They're cheap and if you're cheap (like me) they
can also be rinsed out and reused.* They have a drain and an anti-reflux
valve so they're mess free.
And did I say cheap?
On 4/30/2019 10:42 AM, JS wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
>
>> its really good stuff though.
> So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
> Jim
--
Dan, 5J
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 1:17:45 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> ...Except when it corrodes anything it gets into.
>
> There are gel filled pee bags available, but the medical grade urinary
> bags work just fine.* They're cheap and if you're cheap (like me) they
> can also be rinsed out and reused.* They have a drain and an anti-reflux
> valve so they're mess free.
>
> And did I say cheap?
>
> On 4/30/2019 10:42 AM, JS wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> >
> >> its really good stuff though.
> > So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
> > Jim
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
I used to use ziplock bags with toddler size diapers inside to soak up the liquid - optional but helps prevent spills. Perhaps the gelling cat litter can replace the diapers.
An "english ice bag" (available on Amazon for cheap) has a largish mouth with leak-proof screw-on cap, and expands to hold 2 or 3 uses. I use it plain (no gel or anything). Rinse and repeat (i.e. use on next flight) - it doesn't smell when the cap is not open. Since I got it I use very few of the diaper baggies. I bring a large zip-lock bag to put it inside of, to catch any liquid that misses the mouth of the English bag, and in case it springs a leak, and to protect it from abrasion so as to avoid a leak. No leaks in two seasons.
Jonathan St. Cloud
April 30th 19, 08:16 PM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 10:17:45 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> ...Except when it corrodes anything it gets into.
>
> There are gel filled pee bags available, but the medical grade urinary
> bags work just fine.* They're cheap and if you're cheap (like me) they
> can also be rinsed out and reused.* They have a drain and an anti-reflux
> valve so they're mess free.
>
> And did I say cheap?
>
> On 4/30/2019 10:42 AM, JS wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> >
> >> its really good stuff though.
> > So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
> > Jim
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
Oh you rise yours out before reuse?
Bob Youngblood
May 1st 19, 12:48 AM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 1:17:45 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> ...Except when it corrodes anything it gets into.
>
> There are gel filled pee bags available, but the medical grade urinary
> bags work just fine.* They're cheap and if you're cheap (like me) they
> can also be rinsed out and reused.* They have a drain and an anti-reflux
> valve so they're mess free.
>
> And did I say cheap?
>
> On 4/30/2019 10:42 AM, JS wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> >
> >> its really good stuff though.
> > So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
> > Jim
>
> --
> Dan, 5J
I use these gel pee bags often, bladder just wont hold like it did in years past. They really work just fine and there is no track in your pants when you land. I usually fill them up and plan a final run over the local trailer park, most people from the north call them manufactured homes, but they are actually trailers with some being double wide units. I just make a nice pass over the park and drop the gel bags from about 2K.I guess they think it is a doggie scoop bag. Bob
Dan Marotta
May 1st 19, 01:07 AM
> Oh you rinse yours out before reuse?
:-D
Belly laugh...
--
Dan, 5J
Delta8
May 1st 19, 03:01 AM
I've heard Depends work well but haven't tried them yet . Perhaps a ground trial first. KS uses a catheter and bag under the seat ....The thought of bailing out is scary though.
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 1:43:10 AM UTC-5, Delta8 wrote:
> I've heard Depends work well but haven't tried them yet . Perhaps a
> ground trial first. KS uses a catheter and bag under the seat ....The
> thought of bailing out is scary though.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Delta8
Tried an adult diaper. Found them to be good insulation. They will keep your nethers warm during a wave flight. They will also parboil your butt in warm weather. Feel bad for the girls since that's what many of them use.
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:30:05 AM UTC-4, WB wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 1:43:10 AM UTC-5, Delta8 wrote:
> > I've heard Depends work well but haven't tried them yet . Perhaps a
> > ground trial first. KS uses a catheter and bag under the seat ....The
> > thought of bailing out is scary though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Delta8
>
> Tried an adult diaper. Found them to be good insulation. They will keep your nethers warm during a wave flight. They will also parboil your butt in warm weather. Feel bad for the girls since that's what many of them use.
Any other diaper experience out there? I first thought the idea of diapers humiliating but then it occurred to me compared to wearing a condom for six hours and dealing with **** bags and tubing maybe not so bad. I briefly looked in the store and it seems there are lighter diapers, designed to just catch number 1, than the classic joked about big pants depends.
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>
> What do you think?
The real deal is Sodium Polyacrylate powder. Search on the internet for best price. Add a bit to your pee bags and, voila, same as the expensive commercial pee bags at a much lower price. Turns urine into a soft gel. But I wouldn't throw it out the widow as it would hit like a mortar. Or just use vegetable bags from the grocery; pee, wind up but without knotting and chuck. The winding will come undone after clearing the glider but before hitting the ground and the fluid will depart the bag and evaporate. Tubing which vents the fluid out the glider will definitely corrode the rear cables and gear. Wear a condom catheter which will give you extra length and prevent spillage in the cockpit. They make some without adhesive which does the job adequately and they are cheap enough for one time use.
Jonathan St. Cloud
May 1st 19, 04:32 PM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 1:17:45 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > ...Except when it corrodes anything it gets into.
> >
> > There are gel filled pee bags available, but the medical grade urinary
> > bags work just fine.* They're cheap and if you're cheap (like me) they
> > can also be rinsed out and reused.* They have a drain and an anti-reflux
> > valve so they're mess free.
> >
> > And did I say cheap?
> >
> > On 4/30/2019 10:42 AM, JS wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:27:11 AM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> > >
> > >> its really good stuff though.
> > > So is a tube through the bottom of the glider. No bags of liquid or gel to sit with for hours.
> > > Jim
> >
> > --
> > Dan, 5J
>
> I used to use ziplock bags with toddler size diapers inside to soak up the liquid - optional but helps prevent spills. Perhaps the gelling cat litter can replace the diapers.
>
> An "english ice bag" (available on Amazon for cheap) has a largish mouth with leak-proof screw-on cap, and expands to hold 2 or 3 uses. I use it plain (no gel or anything). Rinse and repeat (i.e. use on next flight) - it doesn't smell when the cap is not open. Since I got it I use very few of the diaper baggies. I bring a large zip-lock bag to put it inside of, to catch any liquid that misses the mouth of the English bag, and in case it springs a leak, and to protect it from abrasion so as to avoid a leak. No leaks in two seasons.
I want to get serious and talk safety for a few moments! I intensely dislike ziplock bags for urine relief, you can put out someone's eye! One day in the back seat of a Nimbus 4D the guy in front threw his pee bag out the window, it flew down the side of the aircraft and entered my window, hitting me in the face. Good thing I had sunglasses on or I could have lost an eye. I use a 2 liter leg bag that seems to be good for flights up to 8 hours, not chance of anyone losing an eye.
Dave Nadler
May 1st 19, 06:04 PM
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:32:18 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> I want to get serious and talk safety for a few moments!
Yup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJJb_ufo8A
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 11:32:18 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>
> I want to get serious and talk safety for a few moments! I intensely dislike ziplock bags for urine relief, you can put out someone's eye! One day in the back seat of a Nimbus 4D the guy in front threw his pee bag out the window, it flew down the side of the aircraft and entered my window, hitting me in the face. Good thing I had sunglasses on or I could have lost an eye. I use a 2 liter leg bag that seems to be good for flights up to 8 hours, not chance of anyone losing an eye.
- Urine relief and bag disposal are separate issues. My rule is, if I pack it in I pack it out. Only the water in the wings (if any) is disposable in flight. That's why I put a diaper inside the ziplock bag: after a few minutes all the liquid is soaked up into the diaper, and there is no danger of leakage into the cockpit even if the bag is later punctured. (But if it gets squeezed, e.g., under your butt, it will still leak.) What are you worried about: being caught with a full bag in the cockpit after landing? Nothing shameful about that. Normal human body function.
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
May 1st 19, 08:02 PM
I believe a couple "well know in the US" pilots did zip lock baggies.......
They would put an eaten apple core in the bag before tossing.....sorta like an apple core and "apple juice" going out....issue is.....DON'T zip it closed going out.....the drop flutters most liquid (thus energy) on the way down....
A quart or so dropping a long way has a ton of kinetic energy.
I used to buy Gatorade by the quart......I picked a reddish color drink.....easier to figure out "drink vs. pee" after a flight.....
Same for long road trips......LOL......
Mike Schumann[_2_]
May 1st 19, 10:51 PM
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> >
> > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> The real deal is Sodium Polyacrylate powder. Search on the internet for best price. Add a bit to your pee bags and, voila, same as the expensive commercial pee bags at a much lower price. Turns urine into a soft gel. But I wouldn't throw it out the widow as it would hit like a mortar. Or just use vegetable bags from the grocery; pee, wind up but without knotting and chuck. The winding will come undone after clearing the glider but before hitting the ground and the fluid will depart the bag and evaporate. Tubing which vents the fluid out the glider will definitely corrode the rear cables and gear. Wear a condom catheter which will give you extra length and prevent spillage in the cockpit. They make some without adhesive which does the job adequately and they are cheap enough for one time use.
Are you guys joking or are you actually throwing plastic bags out the window? Not only is that illegal, but it is VERY uncool.
Delta8
May 2nd 19, 12:09 AM
If your fiddling with trying to aim into a small bag your not concentrating on flying the plane . It's one thing if you have an altitude cushion but trying a low save or in a gaggle it could be deadly .
As far as embarrassing wearing a diaper ...I think someone finding my body in wreckage with pants down would be worse.
Dan Marotta
May 2nd 19, 12:59 AM
Wearing a catheter is unnoticeable.* Think of sitting in a ****-wet
diaper for several hours.* Better have baby powder in the trailer.
On 5/1/2019 9:14 AM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:30:05 AM UTC-4, WB wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 1:43:10 AM UTC-5, Delta8 wrote:
>>> I've heard Depends work well but haven't tried them yet . Perhaps a
>>> ground trial first. KS uses a catheter and bag under the seat ....The
>>> thought of bailing out is scary though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Delta8
>> Tried an adult diaper. Found them to be good insulation. They will keep your nethers warm during a wave flight. They will also parboil your butt in warm weather. Feel bad for the girls since that's what many of them use.
> Any other diaper experience out there? I first thought the idea of diapers humiliating but then it occurred to me compared to wearing a condom for six hours and dealing with **** bags and tubing maybe not so bad. I briefly looked in the store and it seems there are lighter diapers, designed to just catch number 1, than the classic joked about big pants depends.
--
Dan, 5J
Pretty sure the talk of throwing stuff out the window is tongue-in-cheek. However, the late great Ted Teach had a “chaff dispenser” on his 1-26. Hatch on the turtle deck could be opened in flight to automatically dispense strips of toilet paper. The idea was to visualize thermals with t-paper chaff.
Bob Youngblood
May 2nd 19, 01:51 AM
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:51:14 PM UTC-4, Mike Schumann wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> > > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> > >
> > > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > The real deal is Sodium Polyacrylate powder. Search on the internet for best price. Add a bit to your pee bags and, voila, same as the expensive commercial pee bags at a much lower price. Turns urine into a soft gel. But I wouldn't throw it out the widow as it would hit like a mortar. Or just use vegetable bags from the grocery; pee, wind up but without knotting and chuck. The winding will come undone after clearing the glider but before hitting the ground and the fluid will depart the bag and evaporate. Tubing which vents the fluid out the glider will definitely corrode the rear cables and gear. Wear a condom catheter which will give you extra length and prevent spillage in the cockpit. They make some without adhesive which does the job adequately and they are cheap enough for one time use.
>
> Are you guys joking or are you actually throwing plastic bags out the window? Not only is that illegal, but it is VERY uncool.
Mike, yes it actually happens, not as bad a the old B52 doing carpet bombing , but less damaging to the environment. Now you may choose to keep the pee bag in the cockpit if you wish, but I think the possibility of spilling the crusty ole **** bag all over the cockpit is a viable possibility. Maybe you like smelling the ammonia sub trace, but my suggestion is to pull the cord and seal the bag and drop whenever you can. The trailer park option is viable, nothing like dropping a bag of urine on the trailer park. In most instances they will never know what it is, they might just get a whiff and decide to throw it in the neighbors yard. No Mike, it is cool to know that you hit the double wide in the first row of trailers.
soaringjac
May 2nd 19, 03:08 AM
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>
> What do you think?
Wonder if anyone has tried to convert a CamelBak into a pee bag. just adapt the drinking tube and it seems like it would work pretty well
>
> Mike, yes it actually happens, not as bad a the old B52 doing carpet bombing , but less damaging to the environment. Now you may choose to keep the pee bag in the cockpit if you wish, but I think the possibility of spilling the crusty ole **** bag all over the cockpit is a viable possibility. Maybe you like smelling the ammonia sub trace, but my suggestion is to pull the cord and seal the bag and drop whenever you can. The trailer park option is viable, nothing like dropping a bag of urine on the trailer park. In most instances they will never know what it is, they might just get a whiff and decide to throw it in the neighbors yard. No Mike, it is cool to know that you hit the double wide in the first row of trailers.
Bob,
Please post your address so we can have a spot to dump our pee bags where it is cool.
Dan Marotta
May 2nd 19, 03:46 PM
The purpose made pee bags have an anti reflux valve and are considerably
less expensive.* Plus, there's no chance of drinking from one by mistake.
On 5/1/2019 8:08 PM, soaringjac wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
>> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>>
>> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>>
>> What do you think?
> Wonder if anyone has tried to convert a CamelBak into a pee bag. just adapt the drinking tube and it seems like it would work pretty well
--
Dan, 5J
Jonathan St. Cloud
May 2nd 19, 03:55 PM
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 7:09:01 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, soaringjac wrote:
> > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> >
> > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Wonder if anyone has tried to convert a CamelBak into a pee bag. just adapt the drinking tube and it seems like it would work pretty well
One poster on another thread did note that he uses last year's camelbacks for urine collection. Personally I think camelbacks make drinks taste like **** anyway.
Pete[_9_]
May 2nd 19, 03:56 PM
Throwing something out of the window of an airplane is not prohibited or "illegal" per the FAR/AIM
§ 91.15 Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
KarlBoutin
May 2nd 19, 05:52 PM
OK Bob Youngblood, I'll bite! I am going against my prime directive of not feeding the trolls but I just want to state my objection to your comments. That will make me feel good and maybe some other pilots will agree with me ....
1- Dropping something out of an aircraft is illegal. (Canadian regulation below but I suspect any legislations in the world would have rules like this; common sense).
Dropping of Objects
602.23 No person shall create a hazard to persons or property on the surface by dropping an object from an aircraft in flight.
And don't even try to argue that a 1-2 pound bag of geled urine would not create a real hazard.
2- Didn't your mom teach you that we don't throw garbage out of the window of a car (or an aircraft). I am pretty sure that the people in the trailer park that you so keenly disparage, know this.
3- If you fly gliders, you will landout. The people you may have to turn to to help with the retrieve may well be those on which you are suggesting to throw your urine at!
I was taught when I began my gliding career that we should act like ambassadors for the sport. Our behavior and attitude reflects on the community as a whole. Your comments show a lack of respect, of commun sense and airmanship.
.... SNIP...
> Mike, yes it actually happens, not as bad a the old B52 doing carpet bombing , but less damaging to the environment. Now you may choose to keep the pee bag in the cockpit if you wish, but I think the possibility of spilling the crusty ole **** bag all over the cockpit is a viable possibility. Maybe you like smelling the ammonia sub trace, but my suggestion is to pull the cord and seal the bag and drop whenever you can. The trailer park option is viable, nothing like dropping a bag of urine on the trailer park. In most instances they will never know what it is, they might just get a whiff and decide to throw it in the neighbors yard. No Mike, it is cool to know that you hit the double wide in the first row of trailers.
Jim St. Clair
May 2nd 19, 06:09 PM
How about these disposable gel urinals?
https://www.amazon.com/Travel-John-TravelJohn-Disposable-Urinal-Pack/dp/B07K6VWCMQ/ref=sr_1_34?crid=35HXKQUG2KZGZ&keywords=disposable+urinal&qid=1556816553&s=gateway&sprefix=disposable+unrinal%2Caps%2C254&sr=8-34
Paul Agnew
May 2nd 19, 06:31 PM
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 1:09:20 PM UTC-4, Jim St. Clair wrote:
> How about these disposable gel urinals?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Travel-John-TravelJohn-Disposable-Urinal-Pack/dp/B07K6VWCMQ/ref=sr_1_34?crid=35HXKQUG2KZGZ&keywords=disposable+urinal&qid=1556816553&s=gateway&sprefix=disposable+unrinal%2Caps%2C254&sr=8-34
TravelJohn disposable bags work great in the glider and the car. The first time I used one I had just gotten in the urination configuration and hit a boomer of a thermal. Decision time...thermal or relief? I decided I could hold it for a few more minutes.
I have a relief tube in my glider, but haven't used it yet and have found the bags work just fine for my needs. If I was out west and flying 5-6 hour sorties, I'd probably opt for the male external cathetor solution.
Search "male external" on RAS for a ton of discussions - including the Camelback option and a great comment from Paul Remde regarding dropping pee bags from our gliders.
PA
JS[_5_]
May 2nd 19, 07:10 PM
Staying properly hydrated, you may find 2 liters of either drinking water or urine storage insufficient for a typical day of flying. For me, 4l is a minimum.
A suggestion:
Drill a 1/2" hole in the belly aft of the stick. Bond a 1/2" OD 3/8" ID Polyethylene tube flush with the belly and long enough to pass through the seat pan aft of the stick. A short piece of surplus Mylar on the belly can seal the hole when not in use.
Use a 5/16" OD Poly tube for the part actually carrying liquid. It can easily be retracted for low drag (also clearance for takeoff and landing) and extended for use.
Use the female part of the quick-connect (McMaster, Wings and Wheels, etc.) on the PE end (may require a short piece of more pliable tube).
Use a more flexible tube with a barbed inline fitting on the other end to connect to the catheter.
Nothing wet in the glider. Empties beyond the laminar flow so very little if anything to wipe off the belly after flight. No bags in the cockpit or dropped outside.
Unless used during a low pass or above another glider (oh, you'll pay for that) the rain will evaporate. Not being concerned about filling the bags will let you stay better hydrated.
Jim
Delta8
May 2nd 19, 08:59 PM
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:51:14 PM UTC-4, Mike Schumann wrote:
On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
What do you think?
The real deal is Sodium Polyacrylate powder. Search on the internet for best price. Add a bit to your pee bags and, voila, same as the expensive commercial pee bags at a much lower price. Turns urine into a soft gel. But I wouldn't throw it out the widow as it would hit like a mortar. Or just use vegetable bags from the grocery; pee, wind up but without knotting and chuck. The winding will come undone after clearing the glider but before hitting the ground and the fluid will depart the bag and evaporate. Tubing which vents the fluid out the glider will definitely corrode the rear cables and gear. Wear a condom catheter which will give you extra length and prevent spillage in the cockpit. They make some without adhesive which does the job adequately and they are cheap enough for one time use.
Are you guys joking or are you actually throwing plastic bags out the window? Not only is that illegal, but it is VERY uncool.
Mike, yes it actually happens, not as bad a the old B52 doing carpet bombing , but less damaging to the environment. Now you may choose to keep the pee bag in the cockpit if you wish, but I think the possibility of spilling the crusty ole **** bag all over the cockpit is a viable possibility. Maybe you like smelling the ammonia sub trace, but my suggestion is to pull the cord and seal the bag and drop whenever you can. The trailer park option is viable, nothing like dropping a bag of urine on the trailer park. In most instances they will never know what it is, they might just get a whiff and decide to throw it in the neighbors yard. No Mike, it is cool to know that you hit the double wide in the first row of trailers.
Haha .....Warning F bombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0bwbcfd28
Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)
May 2nd 19, 10:33 PM
While some here "joke" about "pee bombing" a trailer park.....FWIW....... Last I read in USA regs was, "don't drop stuff to hurt peeps or property......".....
while I agree that adding to garbage on the ground is a no-no.....dropping in a field or forest is "sorta OK".
Didn't hurt anyone/anything......
Yes, garbage is garbage, try to avoid......
I still use quart sized ziplock baggies....but I leave an inch or so loose to allow weight/liquid to drain during decent so a few pounds of mass won't hit the ground.
I have not flown enough the last few years to get an external catheter to hook up to ship dump system.....
I do NOT agree with pee bombing anything....although it is sorta funny.....to me......but, I am a dad.....we likely have an odd sense of humor.......just ask our family.......LOL.......
SoaringXCellence
May 2nd 19, 11:10 PM
>
> Wonder if anyone has tried to convert a CamelBak into a pee bag. just adapt the drinking tube and it seems like it would work pretty well
That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for the structure pretty well.
Martin Gregorie[_6_]
May 3rd 19, 01:05 AM
On Thu, 02 May 2019 15:10:19 -0700, SoaringXCellence wrote:
> That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my
> old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the
> Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube
> plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for
> the structure pretty well.
>
I can see that a Camelback or similar should be OK there during
deceleratkon because the rear of the pedal support structure would stop
it moving forward if it is positioned reasonable centrally, but how did
you stop it sliding backward? Strap it to the rear pedal slider support
pillar?
I ask because I like your idea but normally winch launch, so I'd prefer
it if the pee bag couldn't slide back under the seat pan during the
launch and climbout because Murphy *knows* that this would jamb the hook
release.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
SoaringXCellence
May 3rd 19, 01:14 AM
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 5:05:47 PM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 02 May 2019 15:10:19 -0700, SoaringXCellence wrote:
>
> > That's what my "ole flying buddy" does, it works well for him. In my
> > old Libelle I had a good place for a legbag under the knee rest, but the
> > Mini doesn't have a good place to stash it. It came with a relief tube
> > plumbed to behind the wheel well. It seems to keep the urine clear for
> > the structure pretty well.
> >
> I can see that a Camelback or similar should be OK there during
> deceleratkon because the rear of the pedal support structure would stop
> it moving forward if it is positioned reasonable centrally, but how did
> you stop it sliding backward? Strap it to the rear pedal slider support
> pillar?
>
> I ask because I like your idea but normally winch launch, so I'd prefer
> it if the pee bag couldn't slide back under the seat pan during the
> launch and climbout because Murphy *knows* that this would jamb the hook
> release.
>
>
> --
> Martin | martin at
> Gregorie | gregorie dot org
In the Libelle I Duct taped the top of the bag to the Knee rest, below where my legs crossed over.
Bob Youngblood
May 3rd 19, 02:27 AM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>
> What do you think?
That video is hilarious, I would like to make note that the gel bags do not harden, they stay like a soft gel. Probably try one in a thermal next time just to confirm the rotation at altitude.
Bob Youngblood
May 3rd 19, 02:55 AM
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
>
> What do you think?
Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob
On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> >
> > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob
Good 'ol Thermal Research! I was lucky enough to get to sit around listening to Harry tell Thermal Research stories. One story was about taking off in a Sport Canopy equipped 1-26 with inflated balloons packed in all around him. Harry tossed them out in a thermal to see if balloons would work better than t-paper for mapping the thermal. He also told about flying a 1-26 into fair weather water spouts. He said folks were researching them with instrumented aircraft. I think he mentioned that one group doing this used a Cessna 310. Anyway, these folks were afraid of the water spouts and would not get closer than a hundred yards or so. Harry had observed them from fairly close and had estimated the updraft strength from observing debris, like bits of weeds, etc., going up in the spout. He figured that flying into a one of these fair weather spouts would be no different than a dust devil. So he just flew right through them. He said it was just like sticking a wing into a dust devil. Lifted the wing a bit, that was all.
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-5, WB wrote:
> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> > > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> > >
> > > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob
>
> Good 'ol Thermal Research! I was lucky enough to get to sit around listening to Harry tell Thermal Research stories. One story was about taking off in a Sport Canopy equipped 1-26 with inflated balloons packed in all around him. Harry tossed them out in a thermal to see if balloons would work better than t-paper for mapping the thermal. He also told about flying a 1-26 into fair weather water spouts. He said folks were researching them with instrumented aircraft. I think he mentioned that one group doing this used a Cessna 310. Anyway, these folks were afraid of the water spouts and would not get closer than a hundred yards or so. Harry had observed them from fairly close and had estimated the updraft strength from observing debris, like bits of weeds, etc., going up in the spout. He figured that flying into a one of these fair weather spouts would be no different than a dust devil. So he just flew his 1-26 right through them. He said it was just like sticking a wing into a dust devil. Lifted the wing a bit, that was all.
Bob Youngblood
May 3rd 19, 10:34 PM
On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 11:35:07 AM UTC-4, WB wrote:
> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-5, WB wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:55:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:02:35 AM UTC-4, soaringjac wrote:
> > > > We have cats and just got a new type of litter for them called SoPhresh Gel Lock. This stuff would be great in a zip lock pee bag! Super absorbent and turns into a gel immediately. I have not tried it in flight yet, but once i saw how this stuff worked i knew it would be great to put in some pee bags. They have it at Petco and probably amazon as well
> > > >
> > > > https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/so-phresh-gel-lock-odor-control-clumping-paper-multi-cat-litter
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Back in the day toilet paper was used as an experiment to determine rotation of thermals. Probably only a few in this forum can recount this happening, but it resulted in the naming of a great glider club in Miami. I know that Burt knows the details and Scotty would also, so if you think the pee bags were exciting what would you do if you were flying along and were being passed by a 50 foot stream of toilet paper. Harry Senn, was one of the chief meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami and conducted research on thermal strength and size along with rotation by dispensing toilet paper from the cockpit of his 1-26. Check all this out, History -Miami Gliders. Those were the days, kind of like being part of the old guard. Bob
> >
> > Good 'ol Thermal Research! I was lucky enough to get to sit around listening to Harry tell Thermal Research stories. One story was about taking off in a Sport Canopy equipped 1-26 with inflated balloons packed in all around him. Harry tossed them out in a thermal to see if balloons would work better than t-paper for mapping the thermal. He also told about flying a 1-26 into fair weather water spouts. He said folks were researching them with instrumented aircraft. I think he mentioned that one group doing this used a Cessna 310. Anyway, these folks were afraid of the water spouts and would not get closer than a hundred yards or so. Harry had observed them from fairly close and had estimated the updraft strength from observing debris, like bits of weeds, etc., going up in the spout. He figured that flying into a one of these fair weather spouts would be no different than a dust devil. So he just flew his 1-26 right through them. He said it was just like sticking a wing into a dust devil. Lifted the wing a bit, that was all.
Yes, Thermal Research, what a hoot we had, I was a young glider pilot flying with some of the best. We flew everyday, had a cooler full of cold beer and enjoyed some of the best glider flying one could imagine. I have some great stories about the cast of characters, Fritz, Harry, Benny, Alfonso, and a whole lot more. We never bombed the trailer park, but we did leave a few deposits in the Everglades. Back in those days we just stuck Henry in a big mouth bottle and filled it to the rim, tossing it out over the Everglades.. What a great time we had. Bob
Nick[_5_]
May 5th 19, 01:24 PM
Just buy nappies/daipers, chop then up and put in a pee bag.
done that been there. best solution is hole in fuselage hose fitting glassed, small .5 inch od polyethylene tubing about 2-3 feet long with kids snot sucker taped on the end. I used a 1/2" id copper tubing to come up to and flush with the seat pan just to the right and even with the control stick. Push the polyethylene tubing out and into the wind stream. It pertudes about 1.5-2 feet away from the fuselage and provides way more suction than most males will experience in thier liftime :) I then rinse mine with drinking water after every use. no muss no fuss. second plane Ive done this on and will never go back :)
On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> done that been there. best solution is hole in fuselage hose fitting glassed, small .5 inch od polyethylene tubing about 2-3 feet long with kids snot sucker taped on the end. I used a 1/2" id copper tubing to come up to and flush with the seat pan just to the right and even with the control stick. Push the polyethylene tubing out and into the wind stream. It pertudes about 1.5-2 feet away from the fuselage and provides way more suction than most males will experience in thier liftime :) I then rinse mine with drinking water after every use. no muss no fuss. second plane Ive done this on and will never go back :)
On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> done that been there. best solution is hole in fuselage hose fitting glassed, small .5 inch od polyethylene tubing about 2-3 feet long with kids snot sucker taped on the end. I used a 1/2" id copper tubing to come up to and flush with the seat pan just to the right and even with the control stick. Push the polyethylene tubing out and into the wind stream. It pertudes about 1.5-2 feet away from the fuselage and provides way more suction than most males will experience in thier liftime :) I then rinse mine with drinking water after every use. no muss no fuss. second plane Ive done this on and will never go back :)
I also like using the sliding-tube-through-the-fuselage method.* No bags, no gel, no chance of "impacting" anyone or the environment with unnecessary waste.* A long slider tube or a shorter one used in conjunction with a little slip during discharge gets the urine away cleanly.* Can be used with a condom catheter or with a funnel.* A collapsible silicone funnel works great and stores well in the cramped cockpit.* Pour water through the funnel to rinse the whole "system", as cliff said.* Use a hydration tube brush occasionally to scrub the inside surfaces for extra cleaning points.* It's best to dedicate a brush for just that purpose:)* Every component has been discussed multiple times probably.* Integrated, they make for a cheap, reliable, pee-and-forget solution.**
Dan Marotta
May 6th 19, 11:22 PM
....and if you forget to retract the tube it makes a great "curb feeler"
at landing.* Get a buzz... =-O
On 5/6/2019 1:56 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> done that been there. best solution is hole in fuselage hose fitting glassed, small .5 inch od polyethylene tubing about 2-3 feet long with kids snot sucker taped on the end. I used a 1/2" id copper tubing to come up to and flush with the seat pan just to the right and even with the control stick. Push the polyethylene tubing out and into the wind stream. It pertudes about 1.5-2 feet away from the fuselage and provides way more suction than most males will experience in thier liftime :) I then rinse mine with drinking water after every use. no muss no fuss. second plane Ive done this on and will never go back :)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> done that been there. best solution is hole in fuselage hose fitting glassed, small .5 inch od polyethylene tubing about 2-3 feet long with kids snot sucker taped on the end. I used a 1/2" id copper tubing to come up to and flush with the seat pan just to the right and even with the control stick. Push the polyethylene tubing out and into the wind stream. It pertudes about 1.5-2 feet away from the fuselage and provides way more suction than most males will experience in thier liftime :) I then rinse mine with drinking water after every use. no muss no fuss. second plane Ive done this on and will never go back :)
> I also like using the sliding-tube-through-the-fuselage method.* No bags, no gel, no chance of "impacting" anyone or the environment with unnecessary waste.* A long slider tube or a shorter one used in conjunction with a little slip during discharge gets the urine away cleanly.* Can be used with a condom catheter or with a funnel.* A collapsible silicone funnel works great and stores well in the cramped cockpit.* Pour water through the funnel to rinse the whole "system", as cliff said.* Use a hydration tube brush occasionally to scrub the inside surfaces for extra cleaning points.* It's best to dedicate a brush for just that purpose:)* Every component has been discussed multiple times probably.* Integrated, they make for a cheap, reliable, pee-and-forget solution.
--
Dan, 5J
Curb feeler, LOL. Your age is showing.
JS[_5_]
May 7th 19, 03:18 AM
On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> Curb feeler, LOL. Your age is showing.
LOL? In this thread I thought it was PML.
On the bicycle ride this morning saw an otherwise pristine '80s Ford Crown Victoria with curb feelers. It's hard to pedal uphill when laughing, and there's no pee tube on the bike.
Difficult to beat the Dodge mini-van with spinner hubcaps seen in Las Vegas.
Those wonderful accoutrements will use up a quart bag of cat litter in a flash.
Jim
Good stuff.
I haven't seen curb feelers in a long time. I see plenty of kids driving cars that could have benefited from their use.
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