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Bill Staley
January 11th 05, 06:22 PM
I read on the website that last year the SSA folks in Hobbs hand
stuffed 10,000 mailers that were sent to potential members. And, that
the results were less that satisfactory to them. This seems to me to
me a very significant effort by a very small number of already
overworked people.

We all whine and carry on about how other people spend our money trying
to increase the SSA membership and maintain it over the long haul -
without perceived success. How mismanagement has caused the long term
viability of SSA to become questionable. That bad decisions have been
made in the past where SSA missed opportunities to better our lot in
life. That because of the market potential there are just not enough
people to recruit, etc, etc. We make suggestions how "they" could
do things differently that would solve these various problems. But, we
never seem to individually step up to the bar and state what we
individually might be able to do to help alleviate some of these issues
and help ourselves.

I believe we must keep it simple and assume more responsibility for the
future of the organization at the grass roots level. And, of course, I
have a suggestion. Since membership is a big issue because of the
income it produces and the future cash flow for the organization, I'm
starting there.

Each of us comes in contact with at least 1 or 2 people a year at our
work or in social settings that show a genuine interest in soaring.
Especially, if we as individuals project the enthusiasm and excitement
we ourselves feel about our own involvement. People love to be
associated with, and involved in, activities that are fun and
rewarding. It's even better when they can share it with others that
have the same interest. When we determine their interest is genuine
and if they have the potential to become involved in the sport of
soaring, I suggest that as an individual we sponsor (pay their first
years dues) that individual. They will then get a monthly reinforcement
of their interest from the magazine. Good marketing practice. And, we
should follow up (individually) to make sure they are introduced to an
operation(s) where they can get involved and learn to soar. We should
introduce them into our local organization where they can experience
encouragement and accolades for their accomplishments from other pilots
and, the social aspects that go along with soaring.

I believe this focused marketing has a much better potential of
increasing both the SSA membership and the membership of our local
organization than a shotgun approach from a national organization.
Plus, we get to have control over our own promotional dollars, and
experience the success and failure of how we spend them. Kind of
sounds like soaring doesn't it?

Bill
Nashville, TN

January 11th 05, 06:40 PM
>From my experience with a similar non-profit group (thirty years with
the American Society of Media Photographers) as both member and chief
officer, I can only concur with this observation. You need to approach
people individually and then STAY involved. Mentor them. Take them for
a flight. Share your own soaring experiences with them. (I have an
email list of friends to whom I periodically post flight accounts.)

Broadcast recruiting seldom works -- personal contact is highly
effective. It takes a little energy, but enthusiasm is highly
infectuous.

Mark James Boyd
January 11th 05, 09:38 PM
I'd like to see the SSA maybe put a postcard sized
mailer in each January issue that can be mailed in
for a free copy of the May issue, for example. Then
have Soaring have one issue a year (maybe May) as
the special "this is for newbies" issue.

I'd really like to see one issue a year that
is nothing but aimed at new members who know little
or nothing about soaring. Sure, perhaps they are
ASEL wanting to transition. Or Ultralight guys.
Whatever...

Maybe make it the swimsuit issue? JJ in a
swimsuit? I'd pay $5 to see that...and then
I'd be happy to give it away ;)

In article om>,
Bill Staley > wrote:
>I read on the website that last year the SSA folks in Hobbs hand
>stuffed 10,000 mailers that were sent to potential members. And, that
>the results were less that satisfactory to them. This seems to me to
>me a very significant effort by a very small number of already
>overworked people.
>
>We all whine and carry on about how other people spend our money trying
>to increase the SSA membership and maintain it over the long haul -
>without perceived success. How mismanagement has caused the long term
>viability of SSA to become questionable. That bad decisions have been
>made in the past where SSA missed opportunities to better our lot in
>life. That because of the market potential there are just not enough
>people to recruit, etc, etc. We make suggestions how "they" could
>do things differently that would solve these various problems. But, we
>never seem to individually step up to the bar and state what we
>individually might be able to do to help alleviate some of these issues
>and help ourselves.
>
>I believe we must keep it simple and assume more responsibility for the
>future of the organization at the grass roots level. And, of course, I
>have a suggestion. Since membership is a big issue because of the
>income it produces and the future cash flow for the organization, I'm
>starting there.
>
>Each of us comes in contact with at least 1 or 2 people a year at our
>work or in social settings that show a genuine interest in soaring.
>Especially, if we as individuals project the enthusiasm and excitement
>we ourselves feel about our own involvement. People love to be
>associated with, and involved in, activities that are fun and
>rewarding. It's even better when they can share it with others that
>have the same interest. When we determine their interest is genuine
>and if they have the potential to become involved in the sport of
>soaring, I suggest that as an individual we sponsor (pay their first
>years dues) that individual. They will then get a monthly reinforcement
>of their interest from the magazine. Good marketing practice. And, we
>should follow up (individually) to make sure they are introduced to an
>operation(s) where they can get involved and learn to soar. We should
>introduce them into our local organization where they can experience
>encouragement and accolades for their accomplishments from other pilots
>and, the social aspects that go along with soaring.
>
>I believe this focused marketing has a much better potential of
>increasing both the SSA membership and the membership of our local
>organization than a shotgun approach from a national organization.
>Plus, we get to have control over our own promotional dollars, and
>experience the success and failure of how we spend them. Kind of
>sounds like soaring doesn't it?
>
>Bill
>Nashville, TN
>


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Mark J. Boyd

January 13th 05, 02:23 PM
No doubt about it, individual marketing yields the best results. But it
is extemely expensive when compared with "broadcast" marketing. (How
valuable is your time?) Of the several friends I've brought to the
sport over the years, NONE remain. They gave it a try. One went so far
as to get his private pilot license. I think he was a member of the SSA
for several years, even after he stopped flying.

It seems like the people who stick for several years or more are those
who come to the gliderport to satisfy some need. If you have an hour a
week to give, supporting them is probably a better bet than a neighbor
or co-worker who shows interest based on your tales of derring-do. (I
can get anyone to come out for a visit, some a ride, a few to take
lessons, but commitment only comes from within.) Nurture those who have
found their own way to soaring. That's our role as SSA members and
proponents of the sport. It's the society's role to make the sport more
visible so more people will come out to inspect what soaring is all
about, to see if it satisfies the need that drew each of us.

Each of us has our role, and each a set of tools. My problem has always
been that we are not very smart about how we apply them.

Speaking of a mailing, a 0.5% response rate (as opposed to
adoption/sale) is typical. And that's only with a reasonably accurate
prospect list (people who have already been exposed to your brand) and
a well designed marketing instrument with a compelling call to action.
Given a good list and the right message, if the society was expecting
more than 50 responses for their 10,000 peices, they were expecting far
too much. Without a good list and a tailored message, it's simply
wasted effort. And that's the crux of the matter. Marketing is a
science. And with all the competition for bandwidth, nothing much sells
itself anymore. If you want to sell, you need to practice intelligent
marketing, and that requires trained, properly motivated people to
create and implement a plan. (PADI sends me at least 5 mail pieces per
year. I still haven't joined, even though I dive actively, albeit
infrequently. Difference is, I am aware they are sending me material,
and this may translate into a response and possibly a sale. It will
probably take another dozen pieces, though.)

Yes, we can individually help to improve the health of the society. But
we'll be more effective, individually, if the society implements a
well-conceived plan for attracting motivated people to the gliderport,
and leverages us where we have the biggest impact -- meeting and
greeting interested people at our home dromes. Frankly, this is
Marketing 101.

Consider this... approximately 75% of the cost of a $100 bottle of
perfume is marketing (and that's for a well known product and respected
brand). That is, it costs $75 to sell a bottle of perfume for $100.
That doesn't include manufacturing, distribution, and non-marketing
overhead, or expected profits. If this shocks you, you don't really
understand the role of marketing in developing value. That's
understandable. Most of us look at the sport from the inside. But if
you really want to sell it, you need to step outside and see what value
the sport projects. And understand what value your target
audience/prospects are searching for. This takes education and
discipline.

Competitive marketing is a tough business, and it's high risk. Good
planning, best practices, and objectivity will lower the risk, but it's
important to limit your efforts to those opportunities that yield big
payoffs, because you're only likely to hit about 20% of the time.

By all means, invite your friends out to the gliderport. Perhaps you'll
have more long-term luck than I've had. But it is unlikely that such an
effort, even practiced by a majority of members would yield much
growth. Of course, I haven't much to go on but my own experience and a
modest real world understanding of what makes people adopt new products
or practices.
Soaring is a real challenge. Especially for soaring pilots.

Shawn
January 13th 05, 03:54 PM
wrote:
> No doubt about it, individual marketing yields the best results. But it
> is extemely expensive when compared with "broadcast" marketing. (How
> valuable is your time?) Of the several friends I've brought to the
> sport over the years, NONE remain. They gave it a try. One went so far
> as to get his private pilot license. I think he was a member of the SSA
> for several years, even after he stopped flying.
>
> It seems like the people who stick for several years or more are those
> who come to the gliderport to satisfy some need. If you have an hour a
> week to give, supporting them is probably a better bet than a neighbor
> or co-worker who shows interest based on your tales of derring-do. (I
> can get anyone to come out for a visit, some a ride, a few to take
> lessons, but commitment only comes from within.) Nurture those who have
> found their own way to soaring. That's our role as SSA members and
> proponents of the sport. It's the society's role to make the sport more
> visible so more people will come out to inspect what soaring is all
> about, to see if it satisfies the need that drew each of us.
>
> Each of us has our role, and each a set of tools. My problem has always
> been that we are not very smart about how we apply them.
>
> Speaking of a mailing, a 0.5% response rate (as opposed to
> adoption/sale) is typical. And that's only with a reasonably accurate
> prospect list (people who have already been exposed to your brand) and
> a well designed marketing instrument with a compelling call to action.
> Given a good list and the right message, if the society was expecting
> more than 50 responses for their 10,000 peices, they were expecting far
> too much. Without a good list and a tailored message, it's simply
> wasted effort. And that's the crux of the matter. Marketing is a
> science. And with all the competition for bandwidth, nothing much sells
> itself anymore. If you want to sell, you need to practice intelligent
> marketing, and that requires trained, properly motivated people to
> create and implement a plan. (PADI sends me at least 5 mail pieces per
> year. I still haven't joined, even though I dive actively, albeit
> infrequently. Difference is, I am aware they are sending me material,
> and this may translate into a response and possibly a sale. It will
> probably take another dozen pieces, though.)
>
> Yes, we can individually help to improve the health of the society. But
> we'll be more effective, individually, if the society implements a
> well-conceived plan for attracting motivated people to the gliderport,
> and leverages us where we have the biggest impact -- meeting and
> greeting interested people at our home dromes. Frankly, this is
> Marketing 101.
>
> Consider this... approximately 75% of the cost of a $100 bottle of
> perfume is marketing (and that's for a well known product and respected
> brand). That is, it costs $75 to sell a bottle of perfume for $100.
> That doesn't include manufacturing, distribution, and non-marketing
> overhead, or expected profits. If this shocks you, you don't really
> understand the role of marketing in developing value. That's
> understandable. Most of us look at the sport from the inside. But if
> you really want to sell it, you need to step outside and see what value
> the sport projects. And understand what value your target
> audience/prospects are searching for. This takes education and
> discipline.
>
> Competitive marketing is a tough business, and it's high risk. Good
> planning, best practices, and objectivity will lower the risk, but it's
> important to limit your efforts to those opportunities that yield big
> payoffs, because you're only likely to hit about 20% of the time.
>
> By all means, invite your friends out to the gliderport. Perhaps you'll
> have more long-term luck than I've had. But it is unlikely that such an
> effort, even practiced by a majority of members would yield much
> growth. Of course, I haven't much to go on but my own experience and a
> modest real world understanding of what makes people adopt new products
> or practices.
> Soaring is a real challenge. Especially for soaring pilots.
>
More luck than you? One of the people you introduced learned to fly,
that's phenomenal! If we all did that, just once in our soaring career,
the sport would be huge (if you consider all the people who are
introduced through other avenues as well). Holding on to those people
is the responsibility of the sport at large.
One thing to consider about inviting friends to the gliderport; our
friends tend to share the same interests and motivations as us, so
expecting some to take to soaring isn't a big stretch. Kids too, they
share your genetics. :-)

Shawn

January 13th 05, 05:49 PM
Several have learned to fly. But they are not members of the SSA. If I
can drive home one point in this discussion, when it comes to growing
an organization, such common sense approaches as have been advocated
aren't particularly valuable. They sound good in theory, but fail to
deliver in practice. My experience is that my friends outside the
sport, while they demonstrate interest, are not the types to commit.
Learning to fly does not equate with SSA membership. And while I'm sure
there are many commercial operators would like to see their money, they
present no particular benefit to the society. I will repeat, I have
introduced more pepole than I can count to the sport. About a half a
dozen took several lessons then quit. I am aware of four that soloed.
Only one stayed with the sport more than a year. And he stopped flying
within 18 months of starting. (I don't count my wife, Laura. She claims
to have learned to love soaring despite me.) Combined, they might
represent a total of 4 years dues paying membership in the society over
the last 27 years (since I started flying).

The friends I make outside the sport are not much like glider pilots at
all. One of the reasons I like the sport (among others) is that I meet
a diverse crowd, people I might not otherwise be drawn to other than
the fact that we share a peculiar passion. Soaring is such a major part
of my life that everyone new I get close to winds up coming out to
gliderport. But the adoption rate is low, very low. For those I
introduce, and those I've witnessed introducing others. That's why I
think out time could be better spent aiming at a different kind of
target.

Shawn wrote:
> wrote:
> > No doubt about it, individual marketing yields the best results.
But it
> > is extemely expensive when compared with "broadcast" marketing.
(How
> > valuable is your time?) Of the several friends I've brought to the
> > sport over the years, NONE remain. They gave it a try. One went so
far
> > as to get his private pilot license. I think he was a member of the
SSA
> > for several years, even after he stopped flying.
> >
> > It seems like the people who stick for several years or more are
those
> > who come to the gliderport to satisfy some need. If you have an
hour a
> > week to give, supporting them is probably a better bet than a
neighbor
> > or co-worker who shows interest based on your tales of derring-do.
(I
> > can get anyone to come out for a visit, some a ride, a few to take
> > lessons, but commitment only comes from within.) Nurture those who
have
> > found their own way to soaring. That's our role as SSA members and
> > proponents of the sport. It's the society's role to make the sport
more
> > visible so more people will come out to inspect what soaring is all
> > about, to see if it satisfies the need that drew each of us.
> >
> > Each of us has our role, and each a set of tools. My problem has
always
> > been that we are not very smart about how we apply them.
> >
> > Speaking of a mailing, a 0.5% response rate (as opposed to
> > adoption/sale) is typical. And that's only with a reasonably
accurate
> > prospect list (people who have already been exposed to your brand)
and
> > a well designed marketing instrument with a compelling call to
action.
> > Given a good list and the right message, if the society was
expecting
> > more than 50 responses for their 10,000 peices, they were expecting
far
> > too much. Without a good list and a tailored message, it's simply
> > wasted effort. And that's the crux of the matter. Marketing is a
> > science. And with all the competition for bandwidth, nothing much
sells
> > itself anymore. If you want to sell, you need to practice
intelligent
> > marketing, and that requires trained, properly motivated people to
> > create and implement a plan. (PADI sends me at least 5 mail pieces
per
> > year. I still haven't joined, even though I dive actively, albeit
> > infrequently. Difference is, I am aware they are sending me
material,
> > and this may translate into a response and possibly a sale. It will
> > probably take another dozen pieces, though.)
> >
> > Yes, we can individually help to improve the health of the society.
But
> > we'll be more effective, individually, if the society implements a
> > well-conceived plan for attracting motivated people to the
gliderport,
> > and leverages us where we have the biggest impact -- meeting and
> > greeting interested people at our home dromes. Frankly, this is
> > Marketing 101.
> >
> > Consider this... approximately 75% of the cost of a $100 bottle of
> > perfume is marketing (and that's for a well known product and
respected
> > brand). That is, it costs $75 to sell a bottle of perfume for $100.
> > That doesn't include manufacturing, distribution, and non-marketing
> > overhead, or expected profits. If this shocks you, you don't
really
> > understand the role of marketing in developing value. That's
> > understandable. Most of us look at the sport from the inside. But
if
> > you really want to sell it, you need to step outside and see what
value
> > the sport projects. And understand what value your target
> > audience/prospects are searching for. This takes education and
> > discipline.
> >
> > Competitive marketing is a tough business, and it's high risk. Good
> > planning, best practices, and objectivity will lower the risk, but
it's
> > important to limit your efforts to those opportunities that yield
big
> > payoffs, because you're only likely to hit about 20% of the time.
> >
> > By all means, invite your friends out to the gliderport. Perhaps
you'll
> > have more long-term luck than I've had. But it is unlikely that
such an
> > effort, even practiced by a majority of members would yield much
> > growth. Of course, I haven't much to go on but my own experience
and a
> > modest real world understanding of what makes people adopt new
products
> > or practices.
> > Soaring is a real challenge. Especially for soaring pilots.
> >
> More luck than you? One of the people you introduced learned to fly,

> that's phenomenal! If we all did that, just once in our soaring
career,
> the sport would be huge (if you consider all the people who are
> introduced through other avenues as well). Holding on to those
people
> is the responsibility of the sport at large.
> One thing to consider about inviting friends to the gliderport; our
> friends tend to share the same interests and motivations as us, so
> expecting some to take to soaring isn't a big stretch. Kids too,
they
> share your genetics. :-)
>
> Shawn

Shawn
January 13th 05, 06:32 PM
wrote:
> Several have learned to fly. But they are not members of the SSA. If I
> can drive home one point in this discussion, when it comes to growing
> an organization, such common sense approaches as have been advocated
> aren't particularly valuable. They sound good in theory, but fail to
> deliver in practice. My experience is that my friends outside the
> sport, while they demonstrate interest, are not the types to commit.
> Learning to fly does not equate with SSA membership. And while I'm sure
> there are many commercial operators would like to see their money, they
> present no particular benefit to the society. I will repeat, I have
> introduced more pepole than I can count to the sport. About a half a
> dozen took several lessons then quit. I am aware of four that soloed.
> Only one stayed with the sport more than a year. And he stopped flying
> within 18 months of starting. (I don't count my wife, Laura. She claims
> to have learned to love soaring despite me.) Combined, they might
> represent a total of 4 years dues paying membership in the society over
> the last 27 years (since I started flying).

However, number of glider pilots times a constant does equal SSA
membership. It's fair to say the number of SSA members depends first on
the number of glider pilots. Grow the sport, grow the SSA. The SSA can
try to attract more non-member glider pilots. Maybe fine for the SSA
budget, but it won't mean more tow planes at the field.


> The friends I make outside the sport are not much like glider pilots at
> all. One of the reasons I like the sport (among others) is that I meet
> a diverse crowd, people I might not otherwise be drawn to other than
> the fact that we share a peculiar passion. Soaring is such a major part
> of my life that everyone new I get close to winds up coming out to
> gliderport. But the adoption rate is low, very low. For those I
> introduce, and those I've witnessed introducing others. That's why I
> think out time could be better spent aiming at a different kind of
> target.

January 13th 05, 09:24 PM
I may have given the wrong impression. We like to think of recruiting
as going out and inviting people to come try our sport. My suggestion,
based on experience, is that we might do better to direct our attention
to those people who discover the sport themselves, who make the effort
to find a gliderport and visit rather than being introduced to it by a
friend. There are pschological reasons why the prior might stick with
the sport longer. It also demonstrates a more active type of
individual, and if there's one thing all pilots seem to share, it's a
lack of passivity.

The successful formula may be something closer to this: the society
invests in branding the sport... encouraging articles in local papers,
use of gliders in advertising, facilitating access to pilots and
gliders to entertainment companies, etc. The local club/commercial
operation puts special effort into creating an enticing experience for
those potential pilots who have made the effort to find the local
gliderport and want to come out and learn more. We should offer open
arms to everyone. But we should pay special attention to keeping the
self-motivated pilot wannabe coming back to gliderport. This is the
person most likely to join the society becasue he's the most likely to
stick with the sport.

>From a purely pragmatic point of view, I'd rather invest in the
motivated prospect than the tag along friend.

Dave Rolley
January 14th 05, 02:42 AM
The issue everyone seems to miss in this type of discussion is "what is
being sold?". The SSA (or any other activity based national
organization) is selling us something for our money. What are they
selling? Why would I want to buy it?

For instance, why did I become a SSA member? Simple, the club I fly
with has SSA membership as a condition of club membership. I wanted to
fly at that location and, later, with that group of folks. When I
purchased my first glider I found a second reason, the SSA insurance
program made it possible to get affordable insurance. But that didn't
influence my original decision to join. If, instead, I had walked into
another soaring venue that didn't require SSA membership it is unlikely
I would have joined the SSA.

While I can identify several programs I want to continue to support,
none of them were known to me when I initially joined. Further they
weren't important to me then. So I grew into my support of the SSA over
a number of years.

If the SSA is going to grow they (we) are going to have to do a better
job of identifying their (our) target market and what the product or
service is that they (we) are selling. On top of that they (we) have to
create a desire or need for that product.

I know why I renew each year. What I don't know is why someone new
joins in the first place. What are they buying that makes them want to
take the money out of their pocket and give it to the SSA?

Dave

wrote:
> No doubt about it, individual marketing yields the best results. But it
> is extemely expensive when compared with "broadcast" marketing. (How
> valuable is your time?) Of the several friends I've brought to the
> sport over the years, NONE remain. They gave it a try. One went so far
> as to get his private pilot license. I think he was a member of the SSA
> for several years, even after he stopped flying.
>
....
>
> Speaking of a mailing, a 0.5% response rate (as opposed to
> adoption/sale) is typical. And that's only with a reasonably accurate
> prospect list (people who have already been exposed to your brand) and
> a well designed marketing instrument with a compelling call to action.
> Given a good list and the right message, if the society was expecting
> more than 50 responses for their 10,000 peices, they were expecting far
> too much. Without a good list and a tailored message, it's simply
> wasted effort. And that's the crux of the matter. Marketing is a
> science. And with all the competition for bandwidth, nothing much sells
> itself anymore. If you want to sell, you need to practice intelligent
> marketing, and that requires trained, properly motivated people to
> create and implement a plan. (PADI sends me at least 5 mail pieces per
> year. I still haven't joined, even though I dive actively, albeit
> infrequently. Difference is, I am aware they are sending me material,
> and this may translate into a response and possibly a sale. It will
> probably take another dozen pieces, though.)
>
....
> Soaring is a real challenge. Especially for soaring pilots.
>

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