Diana 2 has flown its maiden flight!

[Janusz Kesik]

The Diana 2, a new high-end 15m class ship designed by mr Bogumil Beres, has
flown its maiden flight, guided by the hand of a test pilot mr Mariusz
Stajewski. Today's test flights totalled at four flights and have been
considered very succesful.

Any enquiries about the details could be asked using the contacts given on
the Beres Design Bureau website:

http://www.beres.com.pl

With kindest regards,


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[Janusz Kesik]

BEAUTIFUL!!! It's a must see!

JK


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[Andrew Henderson]

Looks Ok, but the tail fin/rudder is hardly beautiful.
Too square/tall.

Andy


At 09:00 13 January 2005, Janusz Kesik wrote:
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[cernauta]

"Janusz Kesik" > wrote:


>Any enquiries about the details could be asked using the contacts given on
>the Beres Design Bureau website:

Very nice pictures, and a nice glider.
What about certification? will it get JAR certificate?
Can someone translate the most sognificative parts of the polish text?

thank you very much

Aldo Cernezzi

[Charles Yeates]

PICKY PICKY

Andrew Henderson wrote:
> Looks Ok, but the tail fin/rudder is hardly beautiful.
> Too square/tall.
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> Andy
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[F.L. Whiteley]

"Andrew Henderson" > wrote
in message ...
> Looks Ok, but the tail fin/rudder is hardly beautiful.
> Too square/tall.
>
> Andy
>
If it performs as expected you may not have to watch it long;^)

[Bob]

That is one elegant glider.... I hope it flies as well as it looks.

Bob

[--=JJay=--]

cernauta napisa³(a):
> "Janusz Kesik" > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Any enquiries about the details could be asked using the contacts given on
>>the Beres Design Bureau website:
>
>
> Very nice pictures, and a nice glider.
> What about certification? will it get JAR certificate?
> Can someone translate the most sognificative parts of the polish text?

Hi

My inglish isn't too good but i'll try to translate part of this text,
the impressions of test pilot Mariusz Stajewski after few first flights.

It is said that if the flying machine looks good it flies good, and this
glider looks great and flies even better.
Diana-2 was towed by Wilga, after less than 100m the glider was in the
air. The flaps was set to +5, visibility to the front is very good (in
Diana "1" it was needed to set the flaps to maximum + position in order
to see at least tips of tow plane wings). The forces on stick are
minimal. After landing gear beeing retracted and ventilation closed it
was very quietly inside the cockpit. Looking to the front the visibility
is just great, when you look to the side you can see very rare view the
inclined leading edge of the wing, winglet on the tip and almost 7
meter long flapperon made as a one component. The wing finished like mirror.
During the tow glider makes no problem to the pilot, after the release
(about 2400m agl) beggins the fun of free flight with this "ferrari"
among gliders. Tge altitude desrease very slowly, and the terrain runs
rapidly to the back. You feel like racing. With flaps set to the max
position (+28) glider lowers nose but it is no problem to maintain full
control with speed of about 60 km/h. While setting flaps to -2 position
glider accelarates like it has engine, and you can hardly feel
significant height loss during this menoeuvre. Accelerating is fast and
with flat path. Flapperons makes chcnaging of circiling direction very
fast, not more than 3 seconds. Full flap landing can be done with very
steep flight path and there is almost no need to use air brakes to
reduce speed. Diana-2 has very good wheel brake.

Flying this glider is a pure pleasure.

I can't wait till it will be possible to test Diana-2 during thermal
flight on XC with water (240 liters!), in tight thermals and with high
cloud base.

test pilot Mariusz Stajewski

From what was said on our polish news gropus it is almost certain that
Janusz Centka will fly Diana-2 during European Championships in Rayskala
July 2005 and earlier in May during Polish Open Class Nationals in Leszno


regards
PS please don't laugh of my english, I'm sure that ia made a lot of errors
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[Nick Olson]

There was some rumours of an 18m version and a 22m
Open Class version - any news on these?
The 15m racing class will probably be a dead duck
in 5 years time. (at least in Europe)

[Rumun]

cernauta wrote:
> Very nice pictures, and a nice glider.
> What about certification? will it get JAR certificate?
> Can someone translate the most sognificative parts of the polish text?

Here You'll find some info in english:

http://www.dianasailplanes.com/szd55.html

rgrds,
Rumun

[Bruce]

Janusz Kesik wrote:
> BEAUTIFUL!!! It's a must see!
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> JK
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The question is whether the beautiful cockpit is big enough to fit 186cm and 100kg.

Somehow I doubt it...

[Stewart Kissel]

Out of curiousity....is the rate of participation in
racing any higher in Europe then elsewhere?(I only
can look at the US and Canada, where it is less then
5%). Without getting into a flame war about racing,
do the manufacturers dream up new classes in order
to push product? In strong conditions would not a
15 meter ship compete quite well with its longer winged
brothers? I know, racing only occurs in weak conditions
:)




At 16:00 13 January 2005, Nick Olson wrote:
>There was some rumours of an 18m version and a 22m
>Open Class version - any news on these?
> The 15m racing class will probably be a dead duck
>in 5 years time. (at least in Europe)
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[cernauta]

--=JJay=-- > wrote:


>My inglish isn't too good but i'll try to translate part of this text,
>the impressions of test pilot Mariusz Stajewski after few first flights.

Thank you very much!

Aldo

[--=JJay=--]

Bruce napisa³(a):
> The question is whether the beautiful cockpit is big enough to fit 186cm
> and 100kg.
>
> Somehow I doubt it...

There is no problem with this. On the 9.01.05 a well known, to those who
were on last Worlds in Leszno, Jacek Dankowski who is 194 cm tall and
weights more than 100 kg has tested the cockpit capacity. He said that
he feels comfortable in it.
Another myth is that the side stick is uncomfortable. The truth is that
only for those who havent been flying Diana :)


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[An Empty Pocket]

"Nick Olson"
> The 15m racing class will probably be a dead duck
> in 5 years time. (at least in Europe)

mmm, that´s wise foresee means that in a five years time i will be able to
get a 15m racing class ship(e.g. an ASW-27) for free?

[Nick Olson]

At 18:00 13 January 2005, An Empty Pocket wrote:
>'Nick Olson'
>mmm, that´s wise foresee means that in a five years
>time i will be able to
>get a 15m racing class ship(e.g. an ASW-27) for free?
>
>

No, unfortunately, for the same reasons you won't get
any ex competition type sailplane for free!

All major European manufacturers are making 18m class
ships (I believe DG are not making a 15m version of
the LS10 now? -at least according to their west coast
US agent)

Performance differences between Std and 15M class in
European conditions are fairly small - the writings
on the wall and been there a while.

[Nick Olson]

At 18:00 13 January 2005, An Empty Pocket wrote:
>'Nick Olson'
>mmm, that´s wise foresee means that in a five years
>time i will be able to
>get a 15m racing class ship(e.g. an ASW-27) for free?
>
>

No, unfortunately, for the same reasons you won't get
any ex competition type sailplane for free!

All major European manufacturers are making 18m class
ships (I believe DG are not making a 15m version of
the LS10 now? -at least according to their west coast
US agent)

Performance differences between Std and 15M class in
European conditions are fairly small - the writings
on the wall and been there a while.

[Kevin Christner]

I think your claimed demise of the 15m class might be a bit premature.
It is still the most popular class in the US and 2nd most popular in
all of the recent World/European championships.

Kevin

Nick Olson wrote:
> At 18:00 13 January 2005, An Empty Pocket wrote:
> >'Nick Olson'
> >mmm, that=B4s wise foresee means that in a five years
> >time i will be able to
> >get a 15m racing class ship(e.g. an ASW-27) for free?
> >
> >
>
> No, unfortunately, for the same reasons you won't get
> any ex competition type sailplane for free!
>
> All major European manufacturers are making 18m class
> ships (I believe DG are not making a 15m version of
> the LS10 now? -at least according to their west coast
> US agent)
>
> Performance differences between Std and 15M class in
> European conditions are fairly small - the writings
> on the wall and been there a while.

[Janusz Kesik]

The space is not a problem, it mr Dankowski fits into a new Diana (as
someone posted a while earlier), then it has to be very roomy. :) Such a
tall man needs a really large cockpit. :)

Regards,


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The XIX Century, the Festung Breslau, and photos taken today.
http://www.wroclaw.dolny.slask.pl

[Andy Blackburn]

At 20:02 13 January 2005, Nick Olson wrote:
>
>Performance differences between Std and 15M class in
>European conditions are fairly small - the writings
>on the wall and been there a while.

In the western half of the US 18M span doesn't make
much difference - the real difference is flaps.

Take a look at the ships in the US 18M nationals over
the last 5 years. You see a lot of straight 15M gliders
both participating and placing well. The LS-8/18's
tend to show up in larger numbers when the nationals
are in the eastern states.

When the 18M nationals are out west, it's kind of like
having two 15m nationals in one year in terms of the
kind of ships that turn out.

9B - yes it's an ASW-27B

[Greg Arnold]

Andy Blackburn wrote:
> At 20:02 13 January 2005, Nick Olson wrote:
>
>>Performance differences between Std and 15M class in
>>European conditions are fairly small - the writings
>>on the wall and been there a while.
>
>
> In the western half of the US 18M span doesn't make
> much difference - the real difference is flaps.
>
> Take a look at the ships in the US 18M nationals over
> the last 5 years. You see a lot of straight 15M gliders
> both participating and placing well.


And winning -- a '27 won the 2004 contest.



The LS-8/18's
> tend to show up in larger numbers when the nationals
> are in the eastern states.
>
> When the 18M nationals are out west, it's kind of like
> having two 15m nationals in one year in terms of the
> kind of ships that turn out.
>
> 9B - yes it's an ASW-27B
>
>
>
>

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Motorgliders are becoming increasingly popular, especially in Europe.
The 15M class doesn't support an engine as efficiently. This is why the
18M is being favored. As for performance differences between the pure
sailplanes, they only become apparent when the lift strength falls
below 3 knots. The 18M ship don't run away, but they do start gaining
both in run and climb.

I like the mix of nimbleness and performance of the 15M class. And I
love the high speed performance. If these gliders lose favor, I'll be
disappointed, at least until I buy my first 18M glider and discover its
charms.

[Gerhard Wesp]

Janusz Kesik > wrote:
> The Diana 2, a new high-end 15m class ship designed by mr Bogumil Beres, has
> flown its maiden flight, guided by the hand of a test pilot mr Mariusz

Congrats!

Will it be at the Idaflieg summer meeting this year?

Cheers
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[Janusz Kesik]

U¿ytkownik "Gerhard Wesp" > napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
> Congrats!
>
> Will it be at the Idaflieg summer meeting this year?

I have no idea... But prepare for the show at Rayskala this year. :)
I think the designer is the best person to ask Your question.

Regards,


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[Ray Amyot]

If one is left-handed, can the ship be ordered with the stick installed on
the left side?


> Another myth is that the side stick is uncomfortable. The truth is that
> only for those who havent been flying Diana :)
>
>
> Regards
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[Eric Greenwell]

Ray Amyot wrote:

> If one is left-handed, can the ship be ordered with the stick installed on
> the left side?

You don't want it over there, unless you also also get the spoilers on
the right side (speaking as a left-handed pilot that flew a couple of
training flights using his left hand, until the instructor said "now,
open the spoilers...").

Practically speaking, there is no advantage to a left-hander to use his
left hand on the stick. The motions are relatively large and easily
learned by a left-hander, compared to fine motions like handwriting.
Might as well, since every other single seat glider requires the right
hand. If you REALLY want to fly left handed, look at a side-by-side two
seater, some of which require a left hand on the stick and a right hand
on the spoilers.


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

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I learned to fly left handed (after many years of flying right handed
gliders) when I took power training. The fine motions Eric refers to
are performed by the fingers, which are not used when holding a stick
or yoke.

BTW: I did get my SEL rating.