Need help testing new SN10 firmware

[Dave Nadler]

Ideally with an SN10 connected to PowerFLARM with IGC license.
Contact me offline if you're able to test in next couple weeks,
Thanks,
Best Regards, Dave

[[email protected]]

Hi Dave
Having difficulty get a ndb file from world wide turn points, when I'm lucky enough to get logged in. Most of the time it says code 403 forbidden. So I guess that's 2 problems.

[Dave Nadler]

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 3:54:03 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Having difficulty get a ndb file from world wide turn points,
> when I'm lucky enough to get logged in.
> Most of the time it says code 403 forbidden.
> So I guess that's 2 problems.

Contact one of the folks that maintain the mirror you're
trying to use, or try a different mirror site.
This has nothing to do with SN10 software...

[[email protected]]

I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10

[Dave Nadler]

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 8:34:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> If I can't get a file I can't use sn10

Nor any other flight computer.
Please, try my advice above.

[[email protected]]

An an fyi, no problems here getting files off of the WWTPE. Maybe it was a transient website or network issue.

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 7:34:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I have a list of the "mirror sites" for the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange here:
http://cumulus-soaring.com/soaring_links/airports.htm
If one site isn't working, the others are.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 7:34:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10

[Dave Nadler]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 7:56:03 AM UTC-4, Paul Remde wrote:
> I have a list of the "mirror sites" for the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange here:
> http://cumulus-soaring.com/soaring_links/airports.htm
> If one site isn't working, the others are.

Thanks Paul!

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 8:34:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10

the Internet Explorer and Windows don't get along with the SN10 NDB files
This is a Quote from John Leibacher. "This has unfortunately caused considerable grief for a number of users"
John has some suggestions on how to get around the problem.
My fix was to simply do the SN10 file download on my android phone, problem solved.
So in the future if someone ask for help on this problem I would simply say use your Android smart phone instead of your windows pc.
Thanks for the help :-(
Glen

[JS[_5_]]

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 7:56:43 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 8:34:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10
>
> the Internet Explorer and Windows don't get along with the SN10 NDB files
> This is a Quote from John Leibacher. "This has unfortunately caused considerable grief for a number of users"
> John has some suggestions on how to get around the problem.
> My fix was to simply do the SN10 file download on my android phone, problem solved.
> So in the future if someone ask for help on this problem I would simply say use your Android smart phone instead of your windows pc.
> Thanks for the help :-(
> Glen


The exchange works perfectly with every WIN or OSX browser I've tried.
But exploder isn't one.
How's Dave's newest creation?
Jim

[[email protected]]

I hate all of this disparaging garbage about Windows, IE, etc. If you don't like the OS or the browser fine, don't use them, but don't go telling the world that they don't/won't work to download .ndb off the the Exchange. As a proof point I just pulled down several .ndb files off the the Exchange using both IE 11 and Edge on Win 10 - both browsers worked flawlessly and downloaded all of the files with no problems whatsoever.

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 9:56:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 8:34:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > I was just asking how to get a ndb file from wwte. I'm sure you use many. If I can't get a file I can't use sn10
>
> the Internet Explorer and Windows don't get along with the SN10 NDB files
> This is a Quote from John Leibacher. "This has unfortunately caused considerable grief for a number of users"
> John has some suggestions on how to get around the problem.
> My fix was to simply do the SN10 file download on my android phone, problem solved.
> So in the future if someone ask for help on this problem I would simply say use your Android smart phone instead of your windows pc.
> Thanks for the help :-(
> Glen

[5Z]

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 7:32:54 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> I hate all of this disparaging garbage about Windows, IE, etc.

MICROSOFT'S SECURITY BOSS has told punters that its venerable browser, Internet Explorer, isn't actually a browser in a bout of Magrittian surrealism.

Chris Jackson told the world in a blog post that Internet Explorer is, in fact, a 'compatibility solution' and shouldn't be used as a daily driver by anyone who doesn't need to.

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3070729/microsoft-internet-explorer-not-a-browser

[[email protected]]

And what does any of that have to do with the FACT that both IE and Edge on Win 10 DO actually work to download the files we're discussing, contrary to the FUD that was previously posted?

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 10:15:08 AM UTC-5, 5Z wrote:
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 7:32:54 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> > I hate all of this disparaging garbage about Windows, IE, etc.
>
> MICROSOFT'S SECURITY BOSS has told punters that its venerable browser, Internet Explorer, isn't actually a browser in a bout of Magrittian surrealism.
>
> Chris Jackson told the world in a blog post that Internet Explorer is, in fact, a 'compatibility solution' and shouldn't be used as a daily driver by anyone who doesn't need to.
>
> https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3070729/microsoft-internet-explorer-not-a-browser

[Dave Nadler]

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:18:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> IE and Edge on Win 10 DO actually work to download the files we're
> discussing, contrary to the FUD that was previously posted?

Many, Many, Many users are still using older versions.
Many versions append ".TXT." to the filename on download.
It is beyond the understanding/ability of many Windows user to remove the ".TXT",
hence the recommendation to use a modern browser...

If you like, we can refer support questions to you ;-)

[[email protected]]

OK, fair enough, of course there are still dinosaurs left running really old stuff. Not sure I'd agree with saying that number is, "Many, Many, Many users..." though.

According to Statista global market share statistics, as of Feb, 2019 IE 11 has 2.19%, Edge 1.52% and the lowest published share is Firefox 64.0 at 0.54% so the really old IE versions must be somewhere less than 1/2 of 1%. Of course, Chrome now owns the browser market with 57.66%. Safari is the only other browser with more than 2.7% share.

OK, hows that for some thread drift! :)

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:18:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > IE and Edge on Win 10 DO actually work to download the files we're
> > discussing, contrary to the FUD that was previously posted?
>
> Many, Many, Many users are still using older versions.
> Many versions append ".TXT." to the filename on download.
> It is beyond the understanding/ability of many Windows user to remove the ".TXT",
> hence the recommendation to use a modern browser...
>
> If you like, we can refer support questions to you ;-)

[Dave Nadler]

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:56:31 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Not sure I'd agree with saying that number is, "Many, Many, Many users..."

Share of IE on desktops is still ~10%:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
That's a LOT of users.

[[email protected]]

Well, that Wikipedia number doesn't show what version of IE is being run. Although I can't find a desktop only statistic, my guess is that most desktop Windows users are running IE11, which does not exhibit the problem you described. I'll bet that the number of users on IE9 or lower is still well below 1%. Not sure where the .txt issue you described went away but it doesn't exist in 10 or 11.



On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:06:59 AM UTC-5, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:56:31 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > Not sure I'd agree with saying that number is, "Many, Many, Many users...."
>
> Share of IE on desktops is still ~10%:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
> That's a LOT of users.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:26:29 AM UTC-4, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 11:18:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > IE and Edge on Win 10 DO actually work to download the files we're
> > discussing, contrary to the FUD that was previously posted?
>
> Many, Many, Many users are still using older versions.
> Many versions append ".TXT." to the filename on download.
> It is beyond the understanding/ability of many Windows user to remove the ".TXT",
> hence the recommendation to use a modern browser...
>
> If you like, we can refer support questions to you ;-)

I would recommend that all users learn to handle simple things like fixing up the file suffix. It's basic computer literacy. If you can fly a glider and use a glide computer you can learn that. And it will help you in other parts of your modern life, since there are plenty of web sites that offer files with mangled suffixes. HTML masquerading as DOC or XLS, for example..