Eyecatching idea for Jay

[John Galban]

It looks like I didn't get any hits on the Florida bar with the Beech
Musketeer sticking out of it, so I imagine it must not be there
anymore.

I scanned my old pic and put it on my website. I think this would
really stand out on a hotel located next to an airport :-)

http://members.cox.net/jgalban/flbar6.jpg


John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[[email protected]]

John Galban wrote:
> It looks like I didn't get any hits on the Florida bar with the Beech
> Musketeer sticking out of it, so I imagine it must not be there
> anymore.

There used to be more things like this around. A few years ago I saw
an upended DC-3 in central Florida - advertising Kermit Weeks'
museum.

There was a B-24 supported by columns hovering over a gas station
somewhere in the Pacific Northwest for many many years. I saw an
article about it finally being removed a couple of years ago.

I also used to see an upended BT-13 on top of a gas atation on the
outskirts of Fresno, CA until a few years ago. Gone too!

David Johnson

[CFLav8r]

"John Galban" > wrote in message...
>
> It looks like I didn't get any hits on the Florida bar with the Beech
> Musketeer sticking out of it, so I imagine it must not be there
> anymore.
>
> I scanned my old pic and put it on my website. I think this would
> really stand out on a hotel located next to an airport :-)
>
> http://members.cox.net/jgalban/flbar6.jpg
>
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
Wow! that must be an old picture.
The pictures that I have of the same plane are nowhere near as new looking
as the plane in your picture.
See this link for 5 more picture of the same plane taken on 03DEC04.
http://www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com/strange_pictures.htm

David (KORL)

[Blueskies]

> wrote in message ups.com...
>
> John Galban wrote:
>> It looks like I didn't get any hits on the Florida bar with the Beech
>> Musketeer sticking out of it, so I imagine it must not be there
>> anymore.
>
> There used to be more things like this around. A few years ago I saw
> an upended DC-3 in central Florida - advertising Kermit Weeks'
> museum.
>
> There was a B-24 supported by columns hovering over a gas station
> somewhere in the Pacific Northwest for many many years. I saw an
> article about it finally being removed a couple of years ago.
>
> I also used to see an upended BT-13 on top of a gas atation on the
> outskirts of Fresno, CA until a few years ago. Gone too!
>
> David Johnson
>

Those old airframes are too valuable to be left up on a pole....

[George Patterson]

CFLav8r wrote:
>
> http://www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com/strange_pictures.htm

Jay, I think this will give you a good idea of what your Cessna-onna-stick will
look like in a few years. :-(

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

[George Patterson]

CFLav8r wrote:
>
> See this link for 5 more picture of the same plane taken on 03DEC04.

The timing must've been just right for those shots. There are all sorts of guy
wires in four of them, but the first shot doesn't have any on top. Guess they
were taken during the installation or removal of the wires?

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

[CFLav8r]

> CFLav8r wrote:
>>
>> See this link for 5 more picture of the same plane taken on 03DEC04.
>
> The timing must've been just right for those shots. There are all sorts of
> guy
> wires in four of them, but the first shot doesn't have any on top. Guess
> they
> were taken during the installation or removal of the wires?
>
> George Patterson

Sorry about that.. There is one picture that I was editing out all the wires
to
make it look a little more realistic, so yes the wires were there when I
took
the picture. If you look real close at the brick lines, you'll see I didn't
really
do a good job of removing the wires.

David (KORL)

[BTIZ]

> Wow! that must be an old picture.
> The pictures that I have of the same plane are nowhere near as new looking
> as the plane in your picture.
> See this link for 5 more picture of the same plane taken on 03DEC04.
> http://www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com/strange_pictures.htm
>
> David (KORL)

actually after all those hurricanes in Florida last year... it survived
pretty well..

better than some on airports..

BT

[John Galban]

CFLav8r wrote:
> Wow! that must be an old picture.
> The pictures that I have of the same plane are nowhere near as new
looking
> as the plane in your picture.
> See this link for 5 more picture of the same plane taken on 03DEC04.
> http://www.pilotsofthecaribbean.com/strange_pictures.htm
>

Yep. I took my pic in August of '89. Looks like the bird aged quite
bit over those 15 yrs.

By the state of the supporting wires and braces, it looks like the
whole contraption was being disassembled when your pics were taken a
few months ago. By the looks of the missing and dangling control
surfaces, I'd guess that the airframe took quite a beating during the
hurricanes last summer.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Scott D]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:17:51 GMT, "Blueskies"

>
>Those old airframes are too valuable to be left up on a pole....
>
No, I think homeland Security believes that they are a threat to
National Security and had them melted down :)

Scott D

[Jay Honeck]

> I scanned my old pic and put it on my website. I think this would
> really stand out on a hotel located next to an airport :-)

I don't know, John. I'm not sure this is the message we want to send to our
guests, being as close as we are to the runway and all!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay]

Think: "World According To Garp" - "Honey, what are the odds of this
EVER happening again!?!?!"

;O)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Somewhere in east central Florida - Day 8 of 12

[Denny]

Re-naming your place THE CRASH INN and having the tail feathers of a
C-150 sticking out of the roof would be real class, Jay...

Denny

[Blueskies]

<Scott D> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:17:51 GMT, "Blueskies"
>
>>
>>Those old airframes are too valuable to be left up on a pole....
>>
> No, I think homeland Security believes that they are a threat to
> National Security and had them melted down :)
>
> Scott D
>

no doubt...

[CFLav8r]

> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Somewhere in east central Florida - Day 8 of 12
>
Titusville?

David (KORL)

[Jay]

Daytona

Jay B

[Ken Ibold]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> There used to be more things like this around. A few years ago I saw
> an upended DC-3 in central Florida - advertising Kermit Weeks'
> museum.

It's still there, right along I-4. And there is a paratrooper dangling from
his lines, which are fouled on the tailwheel.

[[email protected]]

Jay,

>>I'm not sure this is the message we want to send to our guests, being
as close as we are to the runway and all! <<

Wise. Non-aviation types just don't understand the humor.

In the '70s I went into Philly International a number of times. Near
what was then general aviation parking (now part of the terminal) was a
bar with the tail of a Fokker triplane sticking out of the building.
Inside, the three wings were behind the bar. Was kind of a humorous
the first time. As I recall, it was funnier as you drank more...

On my last trip to DSM I noticed that the Air Guard had put up a full
size plastic model of a red-tail P-51 on a pylon. Looks really sharp.
I was kind of glad when the guys, in the late '70s, went around cutting
deals with air bases and city parks to trade the plastic model
airplanes for the real ones that had become "gate guardians" way back
when. It meant a lot of WWII airplanes got restored and flying again
and the air bases and parks got displays that looked a heck of a lot
better because the plastic models were nice and shiny instead of
corroded and faded.

Off topic, I am curious why the DSM Guard unit chose the red tail
theme. I'd heard that Iowa had played a significant role in the
Tuskegee Airman but don't recall what it was, the training wasn't
there, although it may have been that Iowa provided more of the pilots
than any other state, which wouldn't surprise me, given that it was one
of the very few states that prohibited a lot of the segregation
practiced elsewhere back then.

More mental wandering: I always wondered what happened to the gorgeous
Spitfire and Hurricane that were displayed in front of the base offices
at Biggin Hill airport, south of London when I flew there back in 1972.
I'm hoping those are flying again.

Somehow, I think an airplane on a stick in front of your motel would be
a little much.

Warmest regards,
Rick

[John Galban]

Denny wrote:
> Re-naming your place THE CRASH INN and having the tail feathers of a
> C-150 sticking out of the roof would be real class, Jay...
>

How about The Auger Inn?

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Jay Honeck]

> Somehow, I think an airplane on a stick in front of your motel would be
> a little much.

I agree. I'd rather have a big, 23 foot, 4 blade prop leaned up against our
3-story sign.

Any idea where I can get one?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

Davis-Monthan AFB, but you are going to have to go get it at night and be
REAL QUIET about it.

{;-)

Jim



..
>
> I agree. I'd rather have a big, 23 foot, 4 blade prop leaned up against
> our 3-story sign.
>
> Any idea where I can get one?

[[email protected]]

>>>There was a B-24 supported by columns hovering over a gas station
somewhere in the Pacific Northwest for many many years. I saw an
article about it finally being removed a couple of years ago.<<<

B-17 actually, and not removed at all. In fact, in the process of
being restored a piece at a time. The nose is off right now and out
for restoration. Art Lacey, the owner was offered a million bucks for
it, in it's unrestored state. It is a mile from my house, on
Mcloughlin Avenue in Milwaukie, Oregon.
Justaguy

http://www.thebomber.com/history.asp

[Jay Honeck]

> http://www.thebomber.com/history.asp

Now THAT is cool.

I wonder if I could get an old, clapped out B-52 to put over the pool?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Jay,

In the early '80s the Air Force was unloading B-52s on museums like
crazy. I had some invovlement in getting the one at the museum in
Wichita. You might see if they'd sell, that museum is chronically
short of money. Moving it might be a bit of a challenge, although, as
I recall, the spars were cut to comply with the one of the SALTs as it
was capable of carrying nuclear weapons (which is why they got parked
in museums in the first place). Kind of fun to crawl through the
thing, only place you can stand up is at the ladderway between the
decks up front. Otherwise, it's cramped as all get out, you duck-walk
everywhere.

Warmest regards,
Rick

[Bob Chilcoat]

I think I've related this before, but the evening after I visited the Pima
Air and Space museum in Tucson, a friend asked me if I'd noticed the black
B-52 parked out by the parking lot. I said that I had, and he told me this
story.

It seems that after the first Gulf war, the Airforce was relocating their
B-52's and the Base Commander at Davis-Monthan next door called up the
curator of the museum and asked him if he wanted a B-52. They had one that
had come in from the Gulf that was too tired to warrant saving, and the
Commander thought that perhaps the museum would like it. The museum curator
said thanks, but they already had two, and he didn't really think that they
could use another one. They chatted for a bit more, said goodby, and the
curator went home for the weekend.

Monday morning when he drove into the museum parking lot he was surprised to
find a B-52 parked there. It seems that over the weekend the Air Force had
taken down the fence that separates the museum from the base, pulled the
B-52 into the parking lot, replaced the fence and left the bomber abandoned
like an old pickup truck. The Air Force refused to take it back, so they
pulled it into the corner of the parking lot, extended the fence around it,
and it now welcomes visitors.

Jay, perhaps you should call the Air Force. Your inn is next to an airport.
Perhaps they can take down the fence and park a B-52 over your pool.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:DFlRd.8656$g44.6862@attbi_s54...
> > http://www.thebomber.com/history.asp
>
> Now THAT is cool.
>
> I wonder if I could get an old, clapped out B-52 to put over the pool?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Monday morning when he drove into the museum parking lot he was surprised
> to
> find a B-52 parked there. It seems that over the weekend the Air Force
> had
> taken down the fence that separates the museum from the base, pulled the
> B-52 into the parking lot, replaced the fence and left the bomber
> abandoned
> like an old pickup truck.

That's so crazy, it has to be true!

> Jay, perhaps you should call the Air Force. Your inn is next to an
> airport.
> Perhaps they can take down the fence and park a B-52 over your pool.

Well, although I'd love to see it, the space just isn't there. For a big
bomber.

However, we've got an old F-86D Sabre mounted on a pole at the airport that
no one wants to take care of anymore. Maybe I can get them to donate it to
my cause?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article <ZLHRd.11238$g44.8919@attbi_s54>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > Jay, perhaps you should call the Air Force. Your inn is next to an
> > airport.
> > Perhaps they can take down the fence and park a B-52 over your pool.
>
> Well, although I'd love to see it, the space just isn't there. For a big
> bomber.

you are missing a great opportunity - think about having a Buff suite!
It could be a 2 floor suite, with the cockpit used as an airport observation
lounge. The wings providing shade, lots of shade, for patios. etc

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[RST Engineering]

Sure, and then you could brag when you got home that you spent all weekend
in the Buff ...

Jim

> you are missing a great opportunity - think about having a Buff suite!

[John Ousterhout]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> However, we've got an old F-86D Sabre mounted on a pole at the airport that
> no one wants to take care of anymore. Maybe I can get them to donate it to
> my cause?

Stella asked me to suggest that you bid on this:
http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg

It's at the former Transportation Museum in Owatonna. Cabelas would
probably be willing to sell this cheap now they've turned the location
into a sporting-goods outlet.

- J.O.-

[Montblack]

("John Ousterhout" wrote)
> Stella asked me to suggest that you bid on this:
> http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg
>
> It's at the former Transportation Museum in Owatonna. Cabelas would
> probably be willing to sell this cheap now they've turned the location
> into a sporting-goods outlet.


I thought that sculpture(?) already sold once. Could be wrong.

Owatonna, MN is 60 miles (south) of Minneapolis/St. Paul and 50 miles
(north) of the Iowa border on I-35.

Just called the Owatonna Cabela's store. Sculpture is still there. Local
lady said it is owned by the pilot's widow, Dorothy. "Buzz" died in a 2002
crash IIRC. Museum is now closed.
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/aero/aved/museum/halloffame/kaplan_buzz.htm

I've got the family's phone #'s if you've got an eye for this kind of piece
<g>.
http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> I've got the family's phone #'s if you've got an eye for this kind of
> piece <g>.
> http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg

Wow -- THAT would be cool.

Are those real aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg
>
> Wow -- THAT would be cool.
>
> Are those real aircraft?


Willing suspension of disbelief - Yes Jay, they're real.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

>> Wow -- THAT would be cool.
>>
>> Are those real aircraft?
>
>
> Willing suspension of disbelief - Yes Jay, they're real.

There must be 10 tons of concrete underneath those support structures, if
the planes are made of metal.

No wonder no one has moved them!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> There must be 10 tons of concrete underneath those support structures, if
> the planes are made of metal.

I think you're underestimating the weight of concrete That's only about 5 cubic
yards.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[Montblack]

("George Patterson" wrote)
> I think you're underestimating the weight of concrete That's only about 5
> cubic
> yards.


http://stellastarr.net/gallery/jets.jpg
Jets on a stick

The jets-on-a-stick belonged to "Buzz" Kaplan - advertisement for his (now
closed) transportation museum. I prefer the term Highway Art.

http://members.eaa.org/home/ehotline/020628.html
EAA Tribute to "Buzz" Kaplan who died in 2002 piloting a restored 1917 Jenny
biplane.

Kaplan is mentioned in the National Air Tour story (link) - "Buzz" built the
Sikorsky that flew on the National Air Tour in 2003. That plane was also the
Sikorsky featured in movie The Aviator.

I suspect he fabricated the 3 jets in his shop. Could be wrong, they might
be real - there was just a story about them (the jets) in the Owatonna, MN
paper according to the lady at the sporting goods store I spoke with. I
couldn't access the newspaper article online.

http://www.nationalairtour.org/pilotplanespeople/aircraft_info.cfm?aircraft_id=11
"Buzz" Kaplan and the Sikorsky S-38

http://tinyurl.com/6lztp
(same TinyURL link as above)


Montblack