View Full Version : Seeking head rest for ASW-20C - or a cheap chiropracter : )
Dan Colton
July 18th 19, 04:22 AM
I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has access to ..... I won't tell..
DC
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
July 18th 19, 04:36 AM
Dan Colton wrote on 7/17/2019 8:22 PM:
> I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has access to ..... I won't tell..
Contact Karl Striedieck. He was the Schleicer dealer during the ASW 20 era, and
also routinely removed seat back and head rest from the 20's he owned.
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Delta8
July 18th 19, 10:38 AM
I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has access to ..... I won't tell..
DC
Until you find the perfect headrest roll up a piece of memory foam. Works for me .
Dan Marotta
July 18th 19, 03:25 PM
I made a headrest once by stitching together two wash cloths and stuffed
the pillow with foam.Â* Wasn't the greatest looking, but worked great!
Or you could swap that '20 for an LS-6.
On 7/18/2019 3:38 AM, Delta8 wrote:
> Dan Colton;995156 Wrote:
>> I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast
>> to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your
>> guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows
>> attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does
>> anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has
>> a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has
>> access to ..... I won't tell..
>>
>> DC
> Until you find the perfect headrest roll up a piece of memory foam.
> Works for me .
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Dan, 5J
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Delta8 wrote:
> Dan Colton;995156 Wrote:
> > I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast
> > to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your
> > guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows
> > attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does
> > anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has
> > a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has
> > access to ..... I won't tell..
> >
> > DC
>
> Until you find the perfect headrest roll up a piece of memory foam.
> Works for me .
>
>
>
>
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> Delta8
The issue with memory foam is it gets very hard at cold temps. But you don't want to use something bouncy that will cause your head to rebound if you crash. I'm using some foam (type unknown) that seems to absorb some energy but isn't so cold sensitive. Memory foam works great for seat cushions because our body heat keeps it warm Not the same for headrests.
Chip Bearden
JS[_5_]
July 18th 19, 11:07 PM
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 2:33:15 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Delta8 wrote:
> > Dan Colton;995156 Wrote:
> > > I love my ASW-20C but one thing is missing. A baby soft fuzzy headreast
> > > to lean into against those full-rack black-out pull ups, and barf your
> > > guts red-out push overs. I need one of those soft lams wool pillows
> > > attached to a decent frame to configure the perfect head rest. Does
> > > anyone has a lead? Is anyone selling a damaged ASW-20 for parts and has
> > > a great headres. Is anyone a lexus parking lot attendant and has
> > > access to ..... I won't tell..
> > >
> > > DC
> >
> > Until you find the perfect headrest roll up a piece of memory foam.
> > Works for me .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Delta8
>
> The issue with memory foam is it gets very hard at cold temps. But you don't want to use something bouncy that will cause your head to rebound if you crash. I'm using some foam (type unknown) that seems to absorb some energy but isn't so cold sensitive. Memory foam works great for seat cushions because our body heat keeps it warm Not the same for headrests.
>
> Chip Bearden
Weren't the ASW20C headrests a Mercedes part?
Jim
What is the purpose of that headrest anyway? I have flown without headrest for years, but I just purchased an LS8 with a nice soft headrest. I have four flights so far, and other than leaning my head way back to touch the head rest a time or two, I have no idea that it’s been there. Am I missing something? Or is it just to prevent whiplash caused by aggressive winch drivers?
It’s for the brief nap when you have glide on home 75 miles out.
Or to prevent the crap in the baggage compartment from hitting you in the head in turbulence or a rough landing.
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
August 19th 19, 01:16 AM
wrote on 8/18/2019 12:07 AM:
> It’s for the brief nap when you have glide on home 75 miles out.
>
> Or to prevent the crap in the baggage compartment from hitting you in the head in turbulence or a rough landing.
I can't remember if it was Gerhard Waibel or Martin Heide at Schleicher that told
me the headrest in their gliders was there to protect the head and neck in a
crash; without it, the pilot's head can snap backward in some situations.
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Dave Nadler
August 19th 19, 02:08 AM
On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 11:01:29 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> What is the purpose of that headrest anyway? ...Am I missing something?
Same as in your car:
Headrest is to prevent whiplash injury after forward impact.
Hmmm .... every case of whiplash I treated over the years followed a vehicle rear end impact where the recipient occupant's head went back then whiplashed forward. Of course they were all relatively minor injuries since all cars have head restraints nowadays that absorb some of the energy and also limit the initial backwards extension of the neck.
If you want to protect your neck in a glider front end impact you would need something like an F1 style HANS device - although in a typical glider serious accident there is little point given the likely state of the rest of your body.
Dave Nadler
August 19th 19, 01:11 PM
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:42:44 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> Hmmm .... every case of whiplash I treated over the years followed a
> vehicle rear end impact where the recipient occupant's head went
> back then whiplashed forward....
Right, injury would be more common in a car from a rear-end hit,
in a glider the headrest is to prevent injury on the rebound.
Or so it was explained to me...
Dan Marotta
August 19th 19, 05:47 PM
There was a lot of concern at Moriarty during the recent 1-26 contest.Â*
Many pilots of glass and carbon ships were worried about being rear
ended by a 1-26 rapidly overtaking them.
On 8/19/2019 6:11 AM, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:42:44 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Hmmm .... every case of whiplash I treated over the years followed a
>> vehicle rear end impact where the recipient occupant's head went
>> back then whiplashed forward....
> Right, injury would be more common in a car from a rear-end hit,
> in a glider the headrest is to prevent injury on the rebound.
> Or so it was explained to me...
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Dan, 5J
Thanks for the information everyone!
On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
> There was a lot of concern at Moriarty during the recent 1-26 contest.Â*
> Many pilots of glass and carbon ships were worried about being rear
> ended by a 1-26 rapidly overtaking them.
…While sitting on the runway, waiting for a tow, as the 1-26s practiced their relights.
September 3rd 19, 11:28 PM
In a hard crash with a flattish impact (e.g., recovering from a dive or spin but still sinking vertically), the pilot's head can snap back hard, which can cause considerable injury if not prevented by a headrest. One can argue that such a crash might not be survivable anyway but that's not the point..
I know of at least one fatal accident where this was a factor. Since I fly my ASW 24 without the factory backrest/headrest, I added a hard (i.e., not "bouncy") foam pad to address this problem.
Chip Bearden
September 3rd 19, 11:32 PM
Hey Chip, can you provide some details on the foam you added? I’m tall and also fly without the seat back. I’d like to see what you did. Thanks!
John
September 7th 19, 01:19 AM
On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Hey Chip, can you provide some details on the foam you added? I’m tall and also fly without the seat back. I’d like to see what you did. Thanks!
>
> John
I used very firm closed-cell polyurethane foam, the black stuff. Not ideal; it would still rebound although much less than the softer, springy foams. Memory foam would be great but it gets hard when cold without body temperature to keep it warm (unlike foam under the butt or in the lumbar area). There are some impact-absorbing packaging foams for electronic goods that I want to try this winter to see if I can get something better.
Chip Bearden
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