Flarmview versus Flarmview 57 [Archive]

kinsell

July 19th 19, 04:10 PM

On 7/19/19 8:58 AM, wrote:
> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael "8U"
>

I've got the rectangular one, not impressed with it. Too small to read
easily, very glossy such that it reflects whatever is on my chest. Also
it's the only polarized display I have, limiting what sunglasses you can
wear.

Richard Pfiffner[_2_]

July 19th 19, 04:47 PM

Michael

There are variety of Flarm Displays the new LXNAV TrafficView is an big improvement over the Flarmview. The LXANV TrafficView also includes navigation.

http://www.craggyaero.com/lxnav_accessories.htm

Air-Avionics also has a very nice display.

http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[email protected]

July 20th 19, 02:25 PM

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:58:25 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael "8U"

I've had both, and settled with the Flarmview57. Fits in panel and I have had no issues reading the screen. I do wear glasses , no problems.

Matt Herron Jr.

July 20th 19, 03:45 PM

Andrzej Kobus

July 20th 19, 09:05 PM

On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 9:25:48 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 8:58:25 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Michael "8U"
>
> I've had both, and settled with the Flarmview57. Fits in panel and I have had no issues reading the screen. I do wear glasses , no problems.

I have been flying with the 57mm version for a number of years. I strictly use it for traffic awareness, nothing else. Readability is good.

kinsell

July 21st 19, 03:23 AM

On 7/20/19 8:45 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Michael "8U"
>
> I jus flew for a week with the new LXNAV traffic monitor, and that's what I would recommend. Flarmview and flarmview 57 have the same size screen. I came to hate my Flarmview and it's interface.
>

Was that the 57 or 80 mm version of Traffic Monitor that you were using?

Matt Herron Jr.

July 22nd 19, 07:53 AM

On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> On 7/20/19 8:45 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> > On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Michael "8U"
> >
> > I jus flew for a week with the new LXNAV traffic monitor, and that's what I would recommend. Flarmview and flarmview 57 have the same size screen.. I came to hate my Flarmview and it's interface.
> >
>
> Was that the 57 or 80 mm version of Traffic Monitor that you were using?

57mm. And yes, they need t work on making certain parameters bigger and bolder for the57mm version. But all n all, way better than the flarmview.

Dan Marotta

July 22nd 19, 04:53 PM

Looking at the specs for the Flarmview and the FV57 I see that they have
the same pixel count.Â* So what makes one better over the other?

On 7/22/2019 12:53 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
>> On 7/20/19 8:45 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>>>> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Michael "8U"
>>> I jus flew for a week with the new LXNAV traffic monitor, and that's what I would recommend. Flarmview and flarmview 57 have the same size screen. I came to hate my Flarmview and it's interface.
>>>
>> Was that the 57 or 80 mm version of Traffic Monitor that you were using?
> 57mm. And yes, they need t work on making certain parameters bigger and bolder for the57mm version. But all n all, way better than the flarmview.

--
Dan, 5J

kinsell

July 23rd 19, 05:21 AM

I think you're a bit confused. The Flarmview and Flarmview 57 are very
similar products, with the same display. Matt was talking about Traffic
Monitor in the 57 mm version, which has a much brighter display made
with LED's. It would be non-polarized, so you can wear polarized
sunglasses with it. Hopefully with a better UI than what's on the FV
products.

I've been considering the 80 mm version of TM, but will probably spring
for the S80 Club to pick up variometer functions on a similar traffic
display.

Dave

On 7/22/19 9:53 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Looking at the specs for the Flarmview and the FV57 I see that they have
> the same pixel count.Â* So what makes one better over the other?
>
> On 7/22/2019 12:53 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
>>> On 7/20/19 8:45 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>>>>> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which
>>>>> of the displays would work best.Â* I have a spare 57mm hole in the
>>>>> panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest
>>>>> installation.Â* I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the
>>>>> original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael "8U"
>>>> I jus flew for a week with the new LXNAV traffic monitor, and that's
>>>> what I would recommend.Â* Flarmview and flarmview 57 have the same
>>>> size screen.Â* I came to hate my Flarmview and it's interface.
>>>>
>>> Was that the 57 or 80 mm version of Traffic Monitor that you were using?
>> 57mm.Â* And yes, they need t work on making certain parameters bigger
>> and bolder for the57mm version.Â* But all n all, way better than the
>> flarmview.
>

John DeRosa OHM â„¦ http://aviation.derosaweb.net

July 23rd 19, 01:48 PM

Dave,

When saying "Traffic Monitor" are you referring to the new LXNav "TrafficView" (TV)?

I have the TrafficView 57 now and did have the FlarmView 57 before. The TrafficView is brighter.

Thanks, John

kinsell

July 24th 19, 02:50 AM

On 7/23/19 6:48 AM, John DeRosa OHM â„¦ http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> Dave,
>
> When saying "Traffic Monitor" are you referring to the new LXNav "TrafficView" (TV)?
>
> I have the TrafficView 57 now and did have the FlarmView 57 before. The TrafficView is brighter.
>
> Thanks, John
>

Oops, yes. I've seen it described as "the ideal Traffic Monitor", but
the real name is TrafficView.

Ramy[_2_]

July 30th 19, 10:37 PM

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 9:21:07 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> I think you're a bit confused. The Flarmview and Flarmview 57 are very
> similar products, with the same display. Matt was talking about Traffic
> Monitor in the 57 mm version, which has a much brighter display made
> with LED's. It would be non-polarized, so you can wear polarized
> sunglasses with it. Hopefully with a better UI than what's on the FV
> products.
>
> I've been considering the 80 mm version of TM, but will probably spring
> for the S80 Club to pick up variometer functions on a similar traffic
> display.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On 7/22/19 9:53 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > Looking at the specs for the Flarmview and the FV57 I see that they have
> > the same pixel count.Â* So what makes one better over the other?
> >
> > On 7/22/2019 12:53 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> >> On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 7:23:13 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> >>> On 7/20/19 8:45 AM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> >>>>> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which
> >>>>> of the displays would work best.Â* I have a spare 57mm hole in the
> >>>>> panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest
> >>>>> installation.Â* I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the
> >>>>> original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael "8U"
> >>>> I jus flew for a week with the new LXNAV traffic monitor, and that's
> >>>> what I would recommend.Â* Flarmview and flarmview 57 have the same
> >>>> size screen.Â* I came to hate my Flarmview and it's interface.
> >>>>
> >>> Was that the 57 or 80 mm version of Traffic Monitor that you were using?
> >> 57mm.Â* And yes, they need t work on making certain parameters bigger
> >> and bolder for the57mm version.Â* But all n all, way better than the
> >> flarmview.
> >

The S80 has similar display to flarmview, not to TrafficView, unless they changed it recently?

Ramy

kinsell

July 31st 19, 08:27 PM

On 7/30/19 3:37 PM, Ramy wrote:

>
> The S80 has similar display to flarmview, not to TrafficView, unless they changed it recently?
>
> Ramy
>

It's a confusing product line. The Flarmview I bought 4-5 years ago has
an LCD display, very glossy, and polarized. What they're currently
selling as Flarmview has four buttons and a rocker, and a simplified
display that's described as a 2" Retina display. Plus they offer a
FlarmLED and FlarmLED+, and of course the Flarmview 2 for people who
want a flight computer on a postage stamp.

I believe the current S80 has a bright, LED display, which would be
comparable to TrafficView in terms of visibility. Both a big step above
the old Flarmview I have.

[email protected]

August 1st 19, 01:07 AM

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 11:47:58 AM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> Michael
>
>
> There are variety of Flarm Displays the new LXNAV TrafficView is an big improvement over the Flarmview. The LXANV TrafficView also includes navigation.
>
> http://www.craggyaero.com/lxnav_accessories.htm
>
>
> Air-Avionics also has a very nice display.
>
> http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

These two options appear to be newer and improved options for a PowerFlarm display : LxNav TrafficView and ATD-57. Does anyone have an opinion on which would perform better? Thanks for all the responses thus far.

Ramy[_2_]

August 1st 19, 03:20 AM

Yes the display quality is indeed better in the S80 but the graphics and functionality is very similar to flarmview. I believe the new trafficview has a completely different and more intuitive graphic display.

Ramy

Richard Pfiffner[_2_]

August 1st 19, 03:34 PM

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 5:07:38 PM UTC-7, wrote:
> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 11:47:58 AM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > There are variety of Flarm Displays the new LXNAV TrafficView is an big improvement over the Flarmview. The LXANV TrafficView also includes navigation.
> >
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/lxnav_accessories.htm
> >
> >
> > Air-Avionics also has a very nice display.
> >
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
> >
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
>
>
> These two options appear to be newer and improved options for a PowerFlarm display : LxNav TrafficView and ATD-57. Does anyone have an opinion on which would perform better? Thanks for all the responses thus far.

Both the LXNAV TrafficView & the Air-Avionics ATD-57 are similar and a big improvement in visibility and the way the targets are displayed. The TrafficView also has a navigation function.

http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm

http://www.craggyaero.com/trafficview.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[email protected]

August 2nd 19, 09:43 AM

> Both the LXNAV TrafficView & the Air-Avionics ATD-57 are similar and a big improvement in visibility and the way the targets are displayed. The TrafficView also has a navigation function.
> http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
> http://www.craggyaero.com/trafficview.htm
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Will either of them display targets from an adsb-in receiver, such as the Scout?

Richard Pfiffner[_2_]

August 2nd 19, 02:58 PM

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 1:43:27 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > Both the LXNAV TrafficView & the Air-Avionics ATD-57 are similar and a big improvement in visibility and the way the targets are displayed. The TrafficView also has a navigation function.
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/trafficview.htm
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
>
>
> Will either of them display targets from an adsb-in receiver, such as the Scout?

Scout is a ADS-B in receiver so I don't believe it transmits. SO no they will not display targets from Scout..

They will show the same targets that Scout receives.

Richard

Matt Herron Jr.

August 2nd 19, 03:13 PM

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:20:33 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
> Yes the display quality is indeed better in the S80 but the graphics and functionality is very similar to flarmview. I believe the new trafficview has a completely different and more intuitive graphic display.
>
> Ramy

I have a trafficview, any my only complaint is the text is so small (on the 57mm version) that it is difficult to read relative altitude, climb rate, etc. Make it bigger and bolder please, LX!

kinsell

August 2nd 19, 03:17 PM

On 8/2/19 7:58 AM, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 1:43:27 AM UTC-7, wrote:
>>> Both the LXNAV TrafficView & the Air-Avionics ATD-57 are similar and a big improvement in visibility and the way the targets are displayed. The TrafficView also has a navigation function.
>>> http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
>>> http://www.craggyaero.com/trafficview.htm
>>> Richard
>>> www.craggyaero.com
>>
>>
>> Will either of them display targets from an adsb-in receiver, such as the Scout?
>
> Scout is a ADS-B in receiver so I don't believe it transmits. SO no they will not display targets from Scout..
>
> They will show the same targets that Scout receives.
>
> Richard
>

Scout puts out its data on WiFi only, plus it's rigged to work with
Foreflight only, so it doesn't seem to be an option.

An ADS-B receiver in PF should work fine.

-Dave

krasw

August 4th 19, 01:53 PM

torstai 1. elokuuta 2019 3.07.38 UTC+3 kirjoitti:
> On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 11:47:58 AM UTC-4, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > There are variety of Flarm Displays the new LXNAV TrafficView is an big improvement over the Flarmview. The LXANV TrafficView also includes navigation.
> >
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/lxnav_accessories.htm
> >
> >
> > Air-Avionics also has a very nice display.
> >
> > http://www.craggyaero.com/air_traffic_display.htm
> >
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
>
>
> These two options appear to be newer and improved options for a PowerFlarm display : LxNav TrafficView and ATD-57. Does anyone have an opinion on which would perform better? Thanks for all the responses thus far.

I have ATD-57. It has hardware and display that is head and shoulders above anything by LX, huge contrast and brightness with anti-glare coated display. It works perfectly and customer support is excellent as always.

[email protected]

July 23rd 20, 08:47 AM

> I have ATD-57. It has hardware and display that is head and shoulders above anything by LX, huge contrast and brightness with anti-glare coated display. It works perfectly and customer support is excellent as always.

One complaint with the LXNAV TrafficView57 in the above thread is that some of the text is too small to read (that's easy to believe as I have that exact issue with the LXNAV S8 Flarm page. Does the ATD-57 have the same issue?

Does anyone want to chime in about the top choices for a Flarm dispaly in a 57mm panel space? I'm replacing a Butterfly display that's failing.

Thanks,

Eric

Richard Pfiffner[_2_]

July 23rd 20, 04:24 PM

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 12:47:34 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> > I have ATD-57. It has hardware and display that is head and shoulders above anything by LX, huge contrast and brightness with anti-glare coated display. It works perfectly and customer support is excellent as always.
>
> One complaint with the LXNAV TrafficView57 in the above thread is that some of the text is too small to read (that's easy to believe as I have that exact issue with the LXNAV S8 Flarm page. Does the ATD-57 have the same issue?
>
> Does anyone want to chime in about the top choices for a Flarm dispaly in a 57mm panel space? I'm replacing a Butterfly display that's failing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric

No,

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

Richard Pfiffner[_2_]

July 23rd 20, 04:25 PM

[email protected]

July 23rd 20, 08:12 PM

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 7:58:25 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> I'm interested in purchasing a Flarmcore soon and I'm curious which of the displays would work best. I have a spare 57mm hole in the panel now, so the Flarmview 57 seems to be the simplest installation. I'm curious if having the extra buttons on the original Flarmview make this device easier to use in flight.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael "8U"

My glider has the Flarmview 57 and most of the club gliders have the rectangular Flarmview. When I installed Flarm (before the club ships got it) I chose the 57 simply because I had a 57mm hole free (and a nice carbon fiber panel that I didn't want to hack up) I thought I would be giving up some ease of use because the 57 just has a single twist-push control. To my surprise, when I used the four button display I found it to be less intuitive and more fussy to work with.

So I find the Flarmview 57 easier to work with. The display size is the same. My half century old eyes have had no problem reading it so far. Your experience may differ of course.

[email protected]

July 23rd 20, 10:36 PM

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 3:47:34 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > I have ATD-57. It has hardware and display that is head and shoulders above anything by LX, huge contrast and brightness with anti-glare coated display. It works perfectly and customer support is excellent as always.
>
> One complaint with the LXNAV TrafficView57 in the above thread is that some of the text is too small to read (that's easy to believe as I have that exact issue with the LXNAV S8 Flarm page. Does the ATD-57 have the same issue?
>
> Does anyone want to chime in about the top choices for a Flarm dispaly in a 57mm panel space? I'm replacing a Butterfly display that's failing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric

After researching the options, I eventually installed an ATD-57. I've been quite happy with the display and it's quite clear and bright. I like the 4 push buttons at the top of the display for easy use. It also has an enhanced feature to display thermaling gliders with a circular arrow on the screen - nice when you're on course and looking for the next good thermal.

Jay Campbell

July 23rd 20, 11:02 PM

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 5:36:25 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 3:47:34 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> > > I have ATD-57. It has hardware and display that is head and shoulders above anything by LX, huge contrast and brightness with anti-glare coated display. It works perfectly and customer support is excellent as always.
> >
> > One complaint with the LXNAV TrafficView57 in the above thread is that some of the text is too small to read (that's easy to believe as I have that exact issue with the LXNAV S8 Flarm page. Does the ATD-57 have the same issue?
> >
> > Does anyone want to chime in about the top choices for a Flarm dispaly in a 57mm panel space? I'm replacing a Butterfly display that's failing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eric
> After researching the options, I eventually installed an ATD-57. I've been quite happy with the display and it's quite clear and bright. I like the 4 push buttons at the top of the display for easy use. It also has an enhanced feature to display thermaling gliders with a circular arrow on the screen - nice when you're on course and looking for the next good thermal.

IMHO Traffic View in a 57 hole might be acceptable if it were placed directly below the glare shield. I can't put mine there and with the small font, and no shade, I feel the 57mm Traffic View is a poor choice for display of traffic. If they were to come out with a modification that let the user adjust the font, maybe, maybe it would be okay.