Celebrity Pilots

[Jay Honeck]

While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
found this:
*******************************************
Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
FAA Region : Western/Pacific
Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
Class of Medical : 3
Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
: Private Pilot (foreign based)
Airplane Single Engine Land
*******************************************
Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
recognize as legit?

I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any others?

Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun to
have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
autographed...

Any ideas?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike W.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...

> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
John Travolta and Morgan freeman come to mind, I'm sure there are many
others.

[tony roberts]

A John Denver Suite would be good

Tony

In article <vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Chris Ehlbeck]

Jimmy Buffett. He owns his own air force, or at least his wife says so.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Casey Wilson]

Stephen Coonts, author of the "Intruder" novel series. Owns a few airplanes
including the Cannibal Queen, a beautiful Steerman.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
> this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
> to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Mike W." > wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
>
> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> others?
> >
> John Travolta and Morgan freeman come to mind, I'm sure there are many
> others.

A few more:

Dustin Hoffman
Mark Martin
Danny Glover
Tom Cruise
Patrick Swayze
Jack Rausch
George W. Bush
Don Rumsfeld
Tom Daschle
Warren Burger
Daniel Bloomberg
William F. Buckley
Neal Boortz
Ken Hamblin

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article <20dSd.35977$wc.15629@trnddc07>,
"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote:

> Stephen Coonts, author of the "Intruder" novel series. Owns a few airplanes
> including the Cannibal Queen, a beautiful Steerman.

It is a "Stearman," not a "Steerman."


> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> > While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> > was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> > found this:
> > *******************************************
> > Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> > Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> > LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> > FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> > Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> > Class of Medical : 3
> > Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> > Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> > : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> > Airplane Single Engine Land
> > *******************************************
> > Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
> > this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> > recognize as legit?
> >
> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> > others?
> >
> > Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> > listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
> > to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> > autographed...
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
> >

[Bob Fry]

Orval Fairbairn > writes:

> Dustin Hoffman
> Mark Martin
> Danny Glover
> Tom Cruise
> Patrick Swayze
> Jack Rausch
> George W. Bush
> Don Rumsfeld
> Tom Daschle
> Warren Burger
> Daniel Bloomberg
> William F. Buckley
> Neal Boortz
> Ken Hamblin

How many of these are active? For instance, W. flew only during his
National Guard time, not before or after.

Add John Kerry, an active pilot.

[Bob Gardner]

I sure wouldn't count George W. as a pilot. I'm sure that there are
thousands of ex-military pilots who are no longer in the pilot
community...they never converted to civil airman status.

Readers of mystery fiction should include Stuart Woods in the list.

Bob Gardner

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Mike W." > wrote:
>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
>>
>> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
>> others?
>> >
>> John Travolta and Morgan freeman come to mind, I'm sure there are many
>> others.
>
> A few more:
>
> Dustin Hoffman
> Mark Martin
> Danny Glover
> Tom Cruise
> Patrick Swayze
> Jack Rausch
> George W. Bush
> Don Rumsfeld
> Tom Daschle
> Warren Burger
> Daniel Bloomberg
> William F. Buckley
> Neal Boortz
> Ken Hamblin

[Morgans]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote
>
> A few more:
>
> Dustin Hoffman
> Mark Martin
> Danny Glover
> Tom Cruise
> Patrick Swayze
> Jack Rausch
> George W. Bush
> Don Rumsfeld
> Tom Daschle
> Warren Burger
> Daniel Bloomberg
> William F. Buckley
> Neal Boortz
> Ken Hamblin

Bruce Dorn (Star Trek's Worf)

[Peter Duniho]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
news:nospam-2A4917.19371820022005@shawnews...
>A John Denver Suite would be good

Jay, if you want to do a John Denver suite (a pretty good idea, IMHO), let
me know. I might have a contact for you that could be VERY helpful (haven't
talked to him in several years, but he was very close to Denver).

Pete

[George Patterson]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Any ideas?

Cliff Robertson.

George Patterson
He who tries to carry a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
no other way.

[tony roberts]

I'm a big Coonts fan, but I have to wonder if he is well known enough
generally?
His "Cannibal Queen" Stearman adventure made a great story.
Anyone know if he still has it?

Tony
C-GICE

In article <20dSd.35977$wc.15629@trnddc07>,
"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote:

> Stephen Coonts, author of the "Intruder" novel series. Owns a few airplanes
> including the Cannibal Queen, a beautiful Steerman.
>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> > While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> > was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> > found this:
> > *******************************************
> > Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> > Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> > LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> > FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> > Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> > Class of Medical : 3
> > Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> > Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> > : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> > Airplane Single Engine Land
> > *******************************************
> > Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
> > this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> > recognize as legit?
> >
> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> > others?
> >
> > Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> > listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
> > to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> > autographed...
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
> >




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Michelle P]

ahhh,
Chuck Yeager?
Michelle ;-)

Jay Honeck wrote:

>While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
>was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
>found this:
>*******************************************
>Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
>Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
>FAA Region : Western/Pacific
>Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
>Class of Medical : 3
>Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
>Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
>*******************************************
>Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
>mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
>recognize as legit?
>
>I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any others?
>
>Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
>listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun to
>have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
>autographed...
>
>Any ideas?
>
>

[NW_PILOT]

wow!!!! a hottie in the sky I wonder if she disclosed her thirst for blood
on her medical app.



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[[email protected]]

add:

Harrison Ford
Kurt Russell
Susan Oliver

Jay Honeck wrote:
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like
that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars,
and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about?
Does this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the
addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be
fun to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter Duniho]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote in message
...
> wow!!!! a hottie in the sky I wonder if she disclosed her thirst for blood
> on her medical app.

I didn't have that box on mine. You must use an AME with the "special"
forms.

[Jay Honeck]

> Gene Hackman

Is it just me, or does this list seem to be dominated by really old guys?

Hackman is in his 70s, Freeman is in his 60s, Robertson is pushing 80.

Yeager is past 80.

I hope young superstars aren't passing on GA the way everyone else seems to
be...

It's good to see Angelina Jolie on the books.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article <PWkSd.37465$4q6.1680@attbi_s01>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Is it just me, or does this list seem to be dominated by really old guys?
>
> Hackman is in his 70s, Freeman is in his 60s, Robertson is pushing 80.
>
> Yeager is past 80.
>
> I hope young superstars aren't passing on GA the way everyone else seems to
> be...

How would young superstars have time? This is not a casual passion, is it?

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Jay Honeck]

> How would young superstars have time? This is not a casual passion, is
> it?

Young superstar actors, unless they are in a TV series, work an average of
10 - 20 weeks per year.

The rest of their time is spent schmoozing, partying, and feeling great
angst (in preparation for their next role, of course). Hell, look at
Travolta. He makes two movies per year, earning enough to support a
Gulfstream and a Boeing 707. The rest of the time, he plays.

Now compare this to most of us, working full-time, with families...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article <lXlSd.37714$4q6.18320@attbi_s01>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > How would young superstars have time? This is not a casual passion, is
> > it?
>
> Young superstar actors, unless they are in a TV series, work an average of
> 10 - 20 weeks per year.
>
> The rest of their time is spent schmoozing, partying, and feeling great
> angst (in preparation for their next role, of course). Hell, look at
> Travolta. He makes two movies per year, earning enough to support a
> Gulfstream and a Boeing 707. The rest of the time, he plays.
>
> Now compare this to most of us, working full-time, with families...

I was under the impression that at least some superstars put in considerable time
training (physical and acting skill).

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots,
> but can you list any others?

Christopher Reeve was a glider pilot, don't know if he flew powered
aircraft as well.

[Gary G]

Wow! Now I can stalk her, too!
Weeee . . .
Don't forget Tom Daschle is a pilot.
And so is this guy who lives down the street and knows
a guy who once saw another person on an elevator who was
an extra in a movie . . .he's a bona fide CEEEE-LEB-RITY!

Of course, Morgan Freeman is temporarily "not" a pilot after that little
altitude-change mistake he made.

The real question? How many celebs are mile-high club members!?!?!

It's fun to see which "celebs" are bright enough to get a pilot's license. . .

[C J Campbell]

Clint Eastwood is a helicopter pilot.
Of course, *I* am a pilot. :-)

--
Christopher J. Campbell
World Famous Flight Instructor
Port Orchard, WA


Ne Obliviscaris

[Michelle P]

he owned a King Air and flew it regularly.
Michelle

wrote:

>Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>
>>I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots,
>>but can you list any others?
>>
>>
>
>Christopher Reeve was a glider pilot, don't know if he flew powered
>aircraft as well.
>
>

[Jim Burns]

Mickey Gilley

I chatted with him in Branson MO as he was getting training in his Barron.

Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Dave S]

Mickey still lives here in the Houston area and bases his Baron out of
LaPorte (T41). I've passed him in the air once or twice during his
commute from Branson to Houston.

Dave

Jim Burns wrote:
> Mickey Gilley
>
> I chatted with him in Branson MO as he was getting training in his Barron.
>
> Jim
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
>
>>While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
>>was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
>>found this:
>>*******************************************
>>Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
>>Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
>> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
>>FAA Region : Western/Pacific
>>Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
>>Class of Medical : 3
>>Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
>>Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
>> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
>> Airplane Single Engine Land
>>*******************************************
>>Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
>
> this
>
>>mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
>>recognize as legit?
>>
>>I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
>
> others?
>
>>Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
>>listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
>
> to
>
>>have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
>>autographed...
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>--
>>Jay Honeck
>>Iowa City, IA
>>Pathfinder N56993
>>www.AlexisParkInn.com
>>"Your Aviation Destination"
>>
>>
>
>
>

[George Patterson]

tony roberts wrote:
>
> His "Cannibal Queen" Stearman adventure made a great story.
> Anyone know if he still has it?

Last year, I saw a list of his aircraft. The Queen was not in the list. I don't
regard that as conclusive, but I'd bet he no longer owns it.

George Patterson
He who tries to carry a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
no other way.

[John T]

Rod Machado's "Private Pilot Handbook" has a long list of celebs with
pilots licenses (certificates, if you're one of the picky) on the cover.


John

[Some Guy]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
news:nospam-2A4917.19371820022005@shawnews...
> A John Denver Suite would be good


Equipped with an empty fuel tank?

[Some Guy]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> It's good to see Angelina Jolie on the books.

It's good to see Angelina Jolie anytime.

[Some Guy]

"John T" > wrote in message

> pilots licenses (certificates, if you're one of the picky)

It is not a question of picky. A certificate is what it is. Not a permit,
license, pass, ticket, or rating. A certificate.

[George Patterson]

tony roberts wrote:
>
> A John Denver Suite would be good

Right. We could design the plumbing in such a way that the guests have to be
contortionists to turn the water on.

George Patterson
He who tries to carry a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
no other way.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:42:12 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote in >::

>
>
>tony roberts wrote:
>>
>> A John Denver Suite would be good
>
>Right. We could design the plumbing in such a way that the guests have to be
>contortionists to turn the water on.
>

And we could only rent it to home builders, so they'd feel right at
home.

[Casey Wilson]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
news:nospam-756087.21273320022005@shawnews...
> I'm a big Coonts fan, but I have to wonder if he is well known enough
> generally?
> His "Cannibal Queen" Stearman adventure made a great story.
> Anyone know if he still has it?
>
> Tony
> C-GICE

Yep. Hangared at North Las Vegas.

[Casey Wilson]

Not to forget most PGA and NASCAR folks. Have to do some filtering
there because a few only own the airplanes, don't fly them.

[C J Campbell]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Tony,
>
> > A John Denver Suite would be good
> >
>
> Hmm. One would have to work around his later days as a pilot, though.

Why? All the media speculation that he was drunk while flying turned out to
be false, as were stories of his certificate having been suspended or
revoked. All those stories were spread by a couple of mean FAA low-lifes of
the type that went after Bob Hoover. Denver was a supreme advocate for
pilots' rights and an active member of the EAA.

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"Some Guy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> >
> > It's good to see Angelina Jolie on the books.
>
> It's good to see Angelina Jolie anytime.
>

No kidding. When I heard her talking about flying, it just deepened my
conviction that the good lord put her on the Earth specifically to torment
me. If she gets photographed hanging out with a chubby, cigar-smoking
software salesman then I will jump off a bridge.

-cwk.

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>

A google search of that address suggests it's a large office building.
Presumably her doctor, lawyer, or indian chief has a suite there:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,GGLD:en&q=1990+South+Bundy+Drive%2C+Los+Angeles



-cwk.

[Lee K. Gleason]

Speaking of country singers who are pilots. add Kris Kristofferson,
helicopter
pilot.

[mindenpilot]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <lXlSd.37714$4q6.18320@attbi_s01>,
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>> > How would young superstars have time? This is not a casual passion, is
>> > it?
>>
>> Young superstar actors, unless they are in a TV series, work an average
>> of
>> 10 - 20 weeks per year.
>>
>> The rest of their time is spent schmoozing, partying, and feeling great
>> angst (in preparation for their next role, of course). Hell, look at
>> Travolta. He makes two movies per year, earning enough to support a
>> Gulfstream and a Boeing 707. The rest of the time, he plays.
>>
>> Now compare this to most of us, working full-time, with families...
>
> I was under the impression that at least some superstars put in
> considerable time
> training (physical and acting skill).
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> looking for a sig the lawyers will like

Even so, if I can get a PP-ASEL and own my own plane by the age of 30, with
a (more than) full time job and a wife and three daughters, then any "star"
with an unlimited budget and lots of free time should be able to accomplish
the same, no?

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

[ShawnD2112]

I believe, and this is just based on rumor, that Angelina learned to fly
here in the UK.

Shawn

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
> this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
> to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Icebound]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA


You could talk to her instructor, and score the gift which she gave him to
add it to the suite decor.......

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/7642004.htm

[Joe Johnson]

"Some Guy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John T" > wrote in message
>
> > pilots licenses (certificates, if you're one of the picky)
>
> It is not a question of picky. A certificate is what it is. Not a
permit,
> license, pass, ticket, or rating. A certificate.
>
The FAA uses "certificate" and "license" essentially interchangably in
various publications...

[Casey Wilson]

"Joe Johnson" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Some Guy" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "John T" > wrote in message
>>
>> > pilots licenses (certificates, if you're one of the picky)
>>
>> It is not a question of picky. A certificate is what it is. Not a
> permit,
>> license, pass, ticket, or rating. A certificate.
>>
> The FAA uses "certificate" and "license" essentially interchangably in
> various publications...

Good point Joe.
Besides, a certificate is a "...written or printed statement testifying
to a fact, qualification..." and a license is "a formal permission to do
something; especially, authorization by law to do some specified thing..."
[Webster's Unabridged]
As in, the airman's certificate is a pilot's license to fly. The license
may or may not be a document.
In other words, I have a pilot's license granted by my airman's
certificate.
Some Guys just need to get over it.

[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:01:52 GMT, "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com>
wrote in <Q6rSd.40466$uc.27073@trnddc03>::

>the airman's certificate is a pilot's license to fly.

I think the distinction between a certificate and a license lies in
whether the holder has an intrinsic right, or is granted permission.
A certificate of competency enables the holder to exercise his right.
A license grants the holder permission to engage in an activity. A
right cannot be denied; a privilege can.

[Stefan]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> A right cannot be denied; a privilege can.

Well, looking at the days after that famous date, or the restricted
areas, be they temporairy or permanent, or airspace A for VFR pilots,
(to be continued), I'd say it's a license then.

Stefan

[Icebound]

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:01:52 GMT, "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com>
> wrote in <Q6rSd.40466$uc.27073@trnddc03>::
>
>>the airman's certificate is a pilot's license to fly.
>
> I think the distinction between a certificate and a license lies in
> whether the holder has an intrinsic right, or is granted permission.
> A certificate of competency enables the holder to exercise his right.
> A license grants the holder permission to engage in an activity. A
> right cannot be denied; a privilege can.

A certificate is a piece of paper. That piece of paper, appropriately
prepared, witnessed, notarized... may certify that we have a right to DO
something(carry a gun?). Or it may certify that we ARE something(legally
blind?). Or it may certify that we are competent at something (weld
aluminum?). Or it may certify that we OWN something( car?). Or it may
simply certify that we took a course in something, without reference to
whether we actually passed it or not (worker safety?)


When it certifies that we have a right to DO something (carry a gun?), it is
commonly called a License, but who really cares?

Sometime, in order to be "licensed" to DO something, we also have to be
competent at it (perform surgery, fly an airplane?)

A certificate of competency gives no rights at all, without the associated
authority (license) that actually permits the activity.

[Brian Burger]

There was a good article/interview in "Esquire" magazine w/ Angela Jolie
sometime in the last six months.

She said a couple of intelligent things about flying small aircraft, raved
about her first solo, too.

I'll see if I can find that issue at work and post some of the
flying-related parts of her interview. (working at a public library does
have some benefits...)

Brian
www.warbard.ca/avgas/

--

[Alan]

I believe Coonts sold the Cannibal Queen several years ago.

Turns out that the "mystery" yellow biplane flying over my house every
week-end one summer was Coonts learning to fly it. The following year
I saw the book at the Boulder Book Store, devoured it and then met
Coonts at a book signing. Asked him about getting a ride in the plane
and he said to contact Dakota Ridge Aviation, which I did and got a
ride with his instructor, John Weisbart.

The Cannibal Queen was the most expensive book I have ever read
because reading the book led me to taking the ride which led me to
taking flying lessons in 1994, then buying my own plane, 1960 C182!

I used to run into Stephen Coonts at the Boulder airport before he
moved and he was a terrific guy.

The most recent twist to this is when I took my wife's cousin up for a
ride in my plane just before she began her second year at the Naval
Academy. Let her take the controls and she exhibited some real
natural flying ability. She loved it and took flying lessons in
Annapolis. Well, turns out she put in for pilots training upon
graduation and was granted a spot as a Navy Pilot in Pensacola. When
I heard this, I emailed Coonts from his website and asked that if he
had a hardcover copy of The Cannibal Queen I would like to buy it and
have him inscribe a message to Abby.

About a week later I received the book with a nice message and he
didn't ask for payment. He's a real class act who absolutely loves
flying.

Alan Bloom
Dogs can fly.
http://www.flyingmutts.com




On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:25:51 GMT, tony roberts >
wrote:

>I'm a big Coonts fan, but I have to wonder if he is well known enough
>generally?
>His "Cannibal Queen" Stearman adventure made a great story.
>Anyone know if he still has it?
>
>Tony
>C-GICE
>
>In article <20dSd.35977$wc.15629@trnddc07>,
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Coonts, author of the "Intruder" novel series. Owns a few airplanes
>> including the Cannibal Queen, a beautiful Steerman.
>>
>>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
>> > While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
>> > was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
>> > found this:
>> > *******************************************
>> > Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
>> > Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
>> > LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
>> > FAA Region : Western/Pacific
>> > Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
>> > Class of Medical : 3
>> > Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
>> > Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
>> > : Private Pilot (foreign based)
>> > Airplane Single Engine Land
>> > *******************************************
>> > Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
>> > this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
>> > recognize as legit?
>> >
>> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
>> > others?
>> >
>> > Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
>> > listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
>> > to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
>> > autographed...
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> > --
>> > Jay Honeck
>> > Iowa City, IA
>> > Pathfinder N56993
>> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> > "Your Aviation Destination"
>> >

[Matt Barrow]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Mike W." > wrote:
>
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> > news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> >
> > > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> > others?
> > >
> > John Travolta and Morgan freeman come to mind, I'm sure there are many
> > others.
>
> A few more:
>
> Dustin Hoffman
> Mark Martin
> Danny Glover
> Tom Cruise
> Patrick Swayze
> Jack Rausch
> George W. Bush
> Don Rumsfeld
> Tom Daschle
> Warren Burger
> Daniel Bloomberg
> William F. Buckley
> Neal Boortz
> Ken Hamblin

Kenny G. (Baron)
Jimmy Buffet (owns and flys severel aircraft including a Falcon 50)
Michael Dorn (Star Trek has a JetStar (?)
Hugh Downs (News guy)
Michael Crighton
Stephen Coontz ("Flight of the Intruder" and wrote "Cannibal Queen" about
his flight to all 40 lower states in a Sterman).

[Matt Barrow]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> tony roberts wrote:
> >
> > His "Cannibal Queen" Stearman adventure made a great story.
> > Anyone know if he still has it?
>
> Last year, I saw a list of his aircraft. The Queen was not in the list. I
don't
> regard that as conclusive, but I'd bet he no longer owns it.
>
He doesn't - he now owns a Tri-Pacer,

[Matt Barrow]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:UDoSd.49397$uc.25060@trnddc04...
> Not to forget most PGA and NASCAR folks. Have to do some filtering
> there because a few only own the airplanes, don't fly them.
>
Does Arnold Palmer still fly? According to one article, Palmer had 20,000
hours as of a couple years ago.

[Casey Wilson]

"Alan" > wrote in message
...
>
> I believe Coonts sold the Cannibal Queen several years ago.
>

Mr. Coonts said, "I am often asked if I still own the Queen, that marvelous
1942 Stearman biplane that stars in the book. Alas, Deborah and I sold her
in December, 1998, and recycled the money into other airplanes. Whenever
Deborah and I go flying these days, which is every chance we get, we go in
our 1978 Cessna T-310. Or our 1946 Piper J-3 Cub. Or in our experimental
plane, a Breezy. Or in our brand new 1953 Cessna 170B."
[Pulled from www.stephencoonts.com]

[[email protected]]

Richard Bach


www.Rosspilot.com
New York

[vincent p. norris]

>Does Arnold Palmer still fly? According to one article, Palmer had 20,000
>hours as of a couple years ago.

That's an incredible number of hours for someone who's not an airline
pilot. I wonder if the writer slipped in an extra zero.

vince norris

[Matt Barrow]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:TdvSd.6574$EL5.5411@trnddc05...
>
> "Alan" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I believe Coonts sold the Cannibal Queen several years ago.
> >
>
> Mr. Coonts said, "I am often asked if I still own the Queen, that
marvelous
> 1942 Stearman biplane that stars in the book. Alas, Deborah and I sold her
> in December, 1998, and recycled the money into other airplanes. Whenever
> Deborah and I go flying these days, which is every chance we get, we go in
> our 1978 Cessna T-310. Or our 1946 Piper J-3 Cub. Or in our experimental
> plane, a Breezy. Or in our brand new 1953 Cessna 170B."
> [Pulled from www.stephencoonts.com]
>
>
He must go through airplanes the way some teenagers go through cars.

[Matt Barrow]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article <lXlSd.37714$4q6.18320@attbi_s01>,
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> > > How would young superstars have time? This is not a casual passion,
is
> > > it?
> >
> > Young superstar actors, unless they are in a TV series, work an average
of
> > 10 - 20 weeks per year.
> >
> > The rest of their time is spent schmoozing, partying, and feeling great
> > angst (in preparation for their next role, of course). Hell, look at
> > Travolta. He makes two movies per year, earning enough to support a
> > Gulfstream and a Boeing 707. The rest of the time, he plays.
> >
> > Now compare this to most of us, working full-time, with families...
>
> I was under the impression that at least some superstars put in
considerable time
> training (physical and acting skill).
>

Maybe working out physically, but which "superstars" work on their acting
ability? :~)

[vincent p. norris]

>> as were stories of his certificate having been suspended or
>> revoked. All those stories were spread by a couple of mean FAA low-lifes
>
>Any source? I've got this from the NTSB:
>
>http://www.avweb.com/other/ntsb9905.html

Here's a paragraph from that:

We had previously received an interim report from H. C. Whitcomb, Jr.,
M.D., pertinent to your alcohol problem. Dr. Whitcomb reported that
"in general averages two to four drinks of either wine or beer/week
when he's traveling." He further stated that there has been no abuse,
(see footnote 1) ...in our letter of October 18, 1995, we specified
that your "continued airman medical certification remains contingent
upon your total abstinence for use of alcohol."

Surely "two to four drinks...per week" can't be considered an "alcohol
problem"! Weve been told many times that two drinks PER DAY are good
for us!

vince norris

[Some Guy]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message

> Some Guys just need to get over it.

There's nothing to get over. You can construct all the semantic jungle-gyms
you want, but that does not alter the fact that the FAA does not issue pilot
licenses. They issue pilot certificates, and when current and qualified,
you are allowed to "...exercise the privileges of..." that certificate..
The only context regarding airmen in which I've seen the FAA use the word
license is in reference to foreign licenses.

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> > I was under the impression that at least some superstars put in
> considerable time
> > training (physical and acting skill).
> >
>
> Maybe working out physically, but which "superstars" work on their acting
> ability? :~)

well, we can hope, can't we?

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Matt Barrow]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >Does Arnold Palmer still fly? According to one article, Palmer had 20,000
> >hours as of a couple years ago.
>
> That's an incredible number of hours for someone who's not an airline
> pilot. I wonder if the writer slipped in an extra zero.
>

Nope! Remember, he's been flying for going on 50 years and was flying
to/from tournaments as well as running several business enterprises for
about 45 of those years. Airline pilot's careers never last probably half
that long.

When Cessna brought out the X (10) model, he got #1. He also had a MD500 for
several years and did promo work for Cessna and MD.

[Eric Rood]

Cambodia. She owns a place there.

Jay Honeck wrote:
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?

[vincent p. norris]

>Sometime, in order to be "licensed" to DO something, we also have to be
>competent at it (perform surgery, fly an airplane?)

Considering the number of pilots who stupidly kill themselves, and the
number of hospital patients who had the wrong leg removed or a
hemostat left inside them, I wonder if that's so.

vince norris

[[email protected]]

A few notes:

- I believe that Angie (all of her friends call her that???) bought a
Cirrus.

- Roy Clark, ace guitar picker and grinner, is interviewed in the latest
Private Pilot. He owns a BAP (Big A***d Biplane) and has been flying
since the 50's.

- I have a pilot certificate, but it sure is easier to say "license"
either verbally or in text. "Certificate" looks self-important to me.
Use what you will - but my day was brightened by someone pointing out
that the FAA themselves have been known to use the L word.

Dave Blevins

P.S. that whole thing about AJ wearing a vial of Billy Bob's blood
around her neck still makes me tilt my head and go, "herrrmmm". But, she
did look good all dollied up with automatic weapons in Tomb Raider, I
have to admit. 8^)


On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:39:23 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
>was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
>found this:
>*******************************************
>Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
>Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
>FAA Region : Western/Pacific
>Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
>Class of Medical : 3
>Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
>Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
>*******************************************
>Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
>mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
>recognize as legit?
>
>I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any others?
>
>Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
>listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun to
>have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
>autographed...
>
>Any ideas?

[Casey Wilson]

"Some Guy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Some Guys just need to get over it.
>
> There's nothing to get over. You can construct all the semantic
> jungle-gyms
> you want, but that does not alter the fact that the FAA does not issue
> pilot
> licenses. They issue pilot certificates, and when current and qualified,
> you are allowed to "...exercise the privileges of..." that certificate..
> The only context regarding airmen in which I've seen the FAA use the word
> license is in reference to foreign licenses.

Ho Hum.
The following sentence is copied from DOT/FAA/AM-02/6 (Page 4):
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is responsible for the medical
certification of all civilian airmen in the United States. Civil aviators
must hold an FAA pilot's license and maintain a current medical certificate
of the appropriate class to legally perform duties associated with that
class of certificate."

From a media release on http://apo.faa.gov/
" Olcott's aviation credentials include an airline transport pilot's
license,multi-engine...."

From:http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/IFIM/ifimfaqa086.htm: "You may fly from the
U.S. to another country using your license for that country if the aircraft
is registered in the other country. If the aircraft is registered in the
U.S., you must have a U.S. license to fly while still in the U.S. You would
also need a commercial license and a U.S. instrument rating if you were
using instruments."

And, http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1035
(Count how many times the FAA uses license in that one!)

....still another FAA document http://www.faa.gov/apa/PR/pr.cfm?id=604:
"A highlight of the event includes an opportunity for students to speak with
some of aviation's real pioneers -- Bill Broadwater, a Tuskegee Airman and a
retired FAA controller and Christopher Hart, FAA's Assistant Administrator
for System Safety. Hart also is a great nephew of James Herman Banning, the
first African American to receive a pilot's license in the United States."

======

I apologize to the community for abusing your good will, should you have any
left. I shall refrain from any further posting on this subject.

[Morgans]

> wrote
>
> P.S. that whole thing about AJ wearing a vial of Billy Bob's blood
> around her neck still makes me tilt my head and go, "herrrmmm". But, she
> did look good all dollied up with automatic weapons in Tomb Raider, I
> have to admit. 8^)

You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate his
fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what AJ's
boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote

> I apologize to the community for abusing your good will, should you have
any
> left. I shall refrain from any further posting on this subject.
>

"Some guys" just have no credibility. (as do 99.9% of the other nameless
posters)

According to Chuck, "it's all about the credibility." <vbg>
--
Jim in NC

[Jay Honeck]

> You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate his
> fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what AJ's
> boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>

And this is a problem?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Icebound]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
>>> as were stories of his certificate having been suspended or
>>> revoked. All those stories were spread by a couple of mean FAA low-lifes
>>
>>Any source? I've got this from the NTSB:
>>
>>http://www.avweb.com/other/ntsb9905.html
>
> Here's a paragraph from that:
>
> We had previously received an interim report from H. C. Whitcomb, Jr.,
> M.D., pertinent to your alcohol problem. Dr. Whitcomb reported that
> "in general averages two to four drinks of either wine or beer/week
> when he's traveling." He further stated that there has been no abuse,
> (see footnote 1) ...in our letter of October 18, 1995, we specified
> that your "continued airman medical certification remains contingent
> upon your total abstinence for use of alcohol."
>
> Surely "two to four drinks...per week" can't be considered an "alcohol
> problem"! Weve been told many times that two drinks PER DAY are good
> for us!
>

Apparently that was his third plane accident. In 1989 and 1995 he was
involved in accidents while taxi-ing. Don't know if alcohol was involved.


He had plead guilty in 1993 to a DUI, and in 1994 he put his yellow Porsche
into a tree at an blood-alcohol level of .128

For that one, the trial ended in a hung jury, but it is probably somewhere
between '89 and '95 that the FAA told him his ticket was "contingent upon
total abstinence".

Since ""two to four drinks...per week" is not "total abstinence".........

[Mike O'Malley]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

<snip>

> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
> others?
>
<snip>

Aaron Tippin (country singer, probably best known for "Where the Stars and
Stripes and the Eagles Fly") He was a regional airline pilot for a little
while before he quit and went to country music. A guy I know in Kentucky
knows a mechanic that does his annuals (how's THAT for stretching)

Bruce Dickinson, lead singer of Iron Maiden is an airline pilot (now THAT's
a career change!)

[Morgans]

"> > You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate
his
> > fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what
AJ's
> > boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>
>
> And this is a problem?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck

No, I like Bugs Bunny cartoons, just fine!
--
Jim (ducking)in NC

[Morgans]

"> > You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate
his
> > fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what
AJ's
> > boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>
>
> And this is a problem?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck

No, I like Bugs Bunny cartoons, just fine!
--
Jim (ducking)in NC

[Morgans]

"> > You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate
his
> > fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what
AJ's
> > boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>
>
> And this is a problem?
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck

No, I like Bugs Bunny cartoons, just fine!
--
Jim (ducking)in NC

[Morgans]

> No, I like Bugs Bunny cartoons, just fine!
> --
> Jim (ducking)in NC
3333333333333333333333333333333

I like them so much, I sent that 3 times!
I like them so much, I sent that 3 times!
I like them so much, I sent that 3 times!
--
Jim in NC
Jim in NC
Jim in NC

[Blanche]

Leonard Nimoy - used to own a twin, don't know if he still does
Michael Dorn - used to own a jet, still?
I think LeVar Burton also flies.
(for the Trekkies)

[Blanche]

tony roberts > wrote:
>A John Denver Suite would be good

as someone who lives in Colorado...

eeewwwwww!

[Blanche]

Colin W Kingsbury > wrote:
>
>"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>
>> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
>> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
>to
>> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
>> autographed...
>>
>
>A google search of that address suggests it's a large office building.
>Presumably her doctor, lawyer, or indian chief has a suite there:
>http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-07,GGLD:en&q=1990+South+Bundy+Drive%2C+Los+Angeles

Usually a lawyer's office. Avoids stalkers, et al. Also eliminates the
problem of putting the mail on hold while out of town for extended
time. And ensures the paychecks get deposited, and the bills paid.

[Thomas Borchert]

Vincent,

Well, you're leaving a key part out from your quote:

"...
A certified true copy of the pilot's FAA medical record files were
obtained and reviewed by Safety Board investigators. ... His FAA
medical records further showed that on November 6, 1996, the FAA Civil
Aeromedical Certification Division sent the pilot a letter by certified
mail, return receipt requested, acknowledging receipt of his June 13,
1996, medical application and stating, in part:

....

The letter informs the pilot that based on the above information, he
did not meet the medical standards prescribed in Part 67 of the Federal
Aviation Regulations, and a determination was made that he was not
qualified for any class of medical certificate at that time.

...."

That last sentence "a determination was made that he was not qualified
for any class of medical certificate at that time" doesn't leave much
wriggle room now, does it?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[John T]

"Morgans" > wrote in message

>
> Bruce Dorn (Star Trek's Worf)

Michael Dorn. :)

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415
____________________

[tom418]

Reeve flew a Piper Cheyenne also.
> wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots,
> > but can you list any others?
>
> Christopher Reeve was a glider pilot, don't know if he flew powered
> aircraft as well.

[tom418]

William Hurt
I got to see him in person back in 1991, when he was taking his IFR
practical test at ISP (Long Islip MacArthur field).

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be fun
to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Trent Moorehead]

"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...

> Bruce Dickinson, lead singer of Iron Maiden is an airline pilot (now
THAT's
> a career change!)

And when the passengers find out who's piloting the aircraft, can you guess
what they scream?

"Run to the hills, run for your life!"

(That's one of Iron Maiden's biggest hits) :)

-Trent
PP-ASEL

[Dick Meade]

"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> A google search of that address suggests it's a large office building.
> Presumably her doctor, lawyer, or indian chief has a suite there:

Semi-educated guess says this actually is her office. Suite 200. Chivan
Productions. Chivan is the middle name (or original last name) of her
adopted son Maddox. It is also the registered address for her SR-22. Give
it a whirl, Jay.

It's kind of surprising that nobody mentioned that a recent National
Enquirer had 4 pictures of her flying her plane. It mentioned that she was
returning to land "after a 4 hour lesson".

Before you all start, it's my wife who reads the Enquirer. I just look at
the pictures.

[pickle]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any others?
>

That guy who played Worf in Star Trek TNG is certified
to fly jets.

[Joe Feise]

pickle wrote on 02/22/05 08:45:

>
> That guy who played Worf in Star Trek TNG is certified
> to fly jets.


That guy would be Michael Dorn.

[Sylvain]

Jay Honeck
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks?

couple of things: the FAA makes it possible to provide a postal
address in addition to your residence address (which they insist
in having); it is the postal address that shows on your certificate
(thus protecting your privacy); I found out that the DMV in California
does the same thing by the way; moreover, there is a box somewhere
you can check (hmm, I don't remember where exactly, but last
time I changed my address online with the FAA it was an
option) that says you don't want either address to show on the
only registry which I did too, and I am not nearly as famous
as AJ :-) I am surprised her public FAA record shows any address
at all, and I would be even more surprised if it was her actual
residence.

> but it would be fun to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?

yes, there are better hobbies than stalking celebrities, flying
for instance :-)

--Sylvain

[Peter Duniho]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> [...]
> That last sentence "a determination was made that he was not qualified
> for any class of medical certificate at that time" doesn't leave much
> wriggle room now, does it?

While he was (apparently) in violation of the terms of his medical
certificate (rendering it invalid), there's no indication whatsoever that
the FAA had actually suspended or revoked it.

Pete

[John Galban]

wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots,
> > but can you list any others?
>
> Christopher Reeve was a glider pilot, don't know if he flew powered
> aircraft as well.

He did. I met him back in the early 90's at Challis, ID. We had
both dropped in for a quick fueling and were racing for the lone gas
pump. I won. As I recall, he was flying a light twin at the time.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Chris]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:vRbSd.33890$tl3.31990@attbi_s02...
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about? Does
> this mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>

It means she has a certificate issued on the basis of a Foreign licence
which the feds DO see as legit. see FAR 61.75

[[email protected]]

What about John Travolta and his private 707 at his airpark home in
Florida?


Tom


Jay Honeck wrote:
> While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like
that) I
> was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars,
and
> found this:
> *******************************************
> Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
> Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
> LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
> FAA Region : Western/Pacific
> Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
> Class of Medical : 3
> Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
> Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
> : Private Pilot (foreign based)
> Airplane Single Engine Land
> *******************************************
> Any idea what the "Private Pilot (foreign based)" is all about?
Does this
> mean she's certificated in other countries that our own FAA doesn't
> recognize as legit?
>
> I know Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise are pilots, but can you list any
others?
>
> Anyone know how to get in touch with these folks? I presume the
addresses
> listed in the database really aren't where they live, but it would be
fun to
> have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the suite, preferably
> autographed...
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

> > Bruce Dorn (Star Trek's Worf)
>
> Michael Dorn. :)

Oh crap! They are going to revoke my trekie membership! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[leslie]

Jay Honeck ) wrote:
: While contemplating a "Celebrity Pilot's Suite" (or something like that) I
: was just absent-mindedly searching the FAA database for movie stars, and
: found this:
: *******************************************
: Name : JOLIE, ANGELINA
: Airman's Address : 1990 S BUNDY DR
: LOS ANGELES, CA, 90025-5240
: FAA Region : Western/Pacific
: Date of Medical : Jun, 2004
: Class of Medical : 3
: Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2007
: Airman Certificates : Student Pilot
: : Private Pilot (foreign based)
: Airplane Single Engine Land

Leroy Van Dyke, entertainer & auctioneer, is, or was, a pilot, although
it's not mentioned on his web site:

http://www.leroyvandyke.com/
Leroy Van Dyke - Entertainer and Recording Artist

The late Jim Reeves was a pilot, and was flying the plane that crashed,
resulting in his death.


--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email

[Matt Barrow]

"leslie" > wrote in message
...
>
> Leroy Van Dyke, entertainer & auctioneer, is, or was, a pilot, although
> it's not mentioned on his web site:
>
> http://www.leroyvandyke.com/
> Leroy Van Dyke - Entertainer and Recording Artist
>
> The late Jim Reeves was a pilot, and was flying the plane that crashed,
> resulting in his death.
>

Also Danny Kaye (flew along on Air Force fight rides as well).
Fess (Davy Crocket) Parker.
Arthur Godfrey
Gordon McRae ("Oklahoma") had several thousand hours.

[leslie]

Matt Barrow ) wrote:
:
: "leslie" > wrote in message
: ...
: >
: > Leroy Van Dyke, entertainer & auctioneer, is, or was, a pilot, although
: > it's not mentioned on his web site:
: >
: > http://www.leroyvandyke.com/
: > Leroy Van Dyke - Entertainer and Recording Artist
: >
: > The late Jim Reeves was a pilot, and was flying the plane that crashed,
: > resulting in his death.
: >
:
: Also Danny Kaye (flew along on Air Force fight rides as well).
: Fess (Davy Crocket) Parker.
: Arthur Godfrey
: Gordon McRae ("Oklahoma") had several thousand hours.
:

The late Boxcar Willie started on B-36s and was flying C-5s when he decided
to become a full-time entertainer, per:

http://www.boxcarwillie.com/biography/
Boxcar Willie's Biography.

Also Jimmy Stewart:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/js.htm
Brigadier General James M. Stewart, USAFR (RET)

http://www.jimmy.org/bio/military.html
Military Career of James Maitland Stewart


--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email

[Bob Moore]

(leslie) wrote

> The late Boxcar Willie started on B-36s and was flying C-5s when he
> decided to become a full-time entertainer, per:
>
> http://www.boxcarwillie.com/biography/

Read that biography very carefully with attention to dates and ages.
Although it states that "he became a pilot" I doubt that he was an
Air Force pilot, more likely, he was a Flight Engineer. Notice that
no mention of rank is made which after 26 years on active duty would
have put him in the range of a colonel, something that would certainly
have been mentioned if he had been a commisioned officer/pilot.
The bio mentions the hard times after he was "discharged"...26 years
gets one maybe 65% of their pay and one is retired, not discharged.
Altogether, not a very good attempt at crafty biography writing.

Bob Moore

[mindenpilot]

"Trent Moorehead" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Bruce Dickinson, lead singer of Iron Maiden is an airline pilot (now
> THAT's
>> a career change!)
>
> And when the passengers find out who's piloting the aircraft, can you
> guess
> what they scream?
>
> "Run to the hills, run for your life!"
>
> (That's one of Iron Maiden's biggest hits) :)
>
> -Trent
> PP-ASEL
>
>

That ROCKS!!!

[leslie]

Bob Moore ) wrote:
: (leslie) wrote
:
: > The late Boxcar Willie started on B-36s and was flying C-5s when he
: > decided to become a full-time entertainer, per:
: >
: > http://www.boxcarwillie.com/biography/
:
: Read that biography very carefully with attention to dates and ages.
: Although it states that "he became a pilot" I doubt that he was an
: Air Force pilot, more likely, he was a Flight Engineer. Notice that
: no mention of rank is made which after 26 years on active duty would
: have put him in the range of a colonel, something that would certainly
: have been mentioned if he had been a commisioned officer/pilot.
: The bio mentions the hard times after he was "discharged"...26 years
: gets one maybe 65% of their pay and one is retired, not discharged.
: Altogether, not a very good attempt at crafty biography writing.
:
: Bob Moore
:

Boxcar Willie talked about his days as a pilot on the Ralph Emory Show,
including flying in South Korea when North Koreans attempted to cause
the plane to crash by jamming its instruments when it was on final
approach.

http://obits.com/willieboxcar.htm
Internet Obituary Network, Obituary for Boxcar Willie

"...Boxcar entered the service as a flight engineer, and the performer
became a pilot by the age of 20, carrying the distinction of being the
youngest combat-ready engineer in the United States Strategic Air
Command. Boxcar logged over 10,000 career flight hours as an Air Force
pilot and served 2 tours of duty before joining the Texas Air National
Guard. Boxcar flew B-36s, B-39 Tankers, Recons, Bombers, and KC-97s
and C-5As. (After becoming a successful performer, Boxcar had his old
KC-97, which he had flown in active duty, moved to his Branson
Missouri Train and Aircraft Museum.) Between the National Guard and
the Air Force, Boxcar devoted a total of 22 years to the military..."


--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"Dick Meade" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> > A google search of that address suggests it's a large office building.
> > Presumably her doctor, lawyer, or indian chief has a suite there:
>
> Semi-educated guess says this actually is her office. Suite 200. Chivan
> Productions. Chivan is the middle name (or original last name) of her
> adopted son Maddox. It is also the registered address for her SR-22.
Give
> it a whirl, Jay.

Wow, you're an even better stalker than I am :)

> It's kind of surprising that nobody mentioned that a recent National
> Enquirer had 4 pictures of her flying her plane. It mentioned that she
was
> returning to land "after a 4 hour lesson".

There was also one of the British tabs that had a picture of her in an
airplane (only partial view with the outline of the cockpit) captioned with
something about her flying her own jet. From the outline anyone could tell
it was a cherokee-type plane)

-cwk.

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Z6ySd.15354$zH6.4068@attbi_s53...
> > You know how Bugs Bunny would always blow into his thumb, and inflate
his
> > fist before he punched someone? I can't help but think that is what
AJ's
> > boobs looked like in Tomb Raider! <g>
>
> And this is a problem?
>

Actually my father (64) says he doesn't care much for her type. "I don't
like women who look like they could beat me up" is how he puts it. Nicole
Kidman is more his style. I think she looks like she was CNC-milled out of a
block of aluminum and if you touch her you might get freezer burn. I suspect
neither of us would kick either of them out of bed for eating cookies.

-cwk.

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"mindenpilot" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Trent Moorehead" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> Bruce Dickinson, lead singer of Iron Maiden is an airline pilot (now
> > THAT's
> >> a career change!)
>
> That ROCKS!!!
>

That's a hoot. My brother-in-law played guitar with a very large number of
very edgy Bay Area punk rock bands, and he now flies 767s, albeit for UPS.
The boxes don't care but management did force him to shave and get a
haircut. So he kinda stands out in some of the places he still hangs out at.

-cwk.

[Jay Honeck]

>> but it would be fun to have pictures of each celebrity pilot in the
>> suite, preferably autographed...
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> yes, there are better hobbies than stalking celebrities, flying
> for instance :-)

Asking for an autographed picture of a celebrity is now considered
"stalking"?

Geez. I still have my autographed picture of the Beatles, circa 1965, that
I got just by writing them a fan letter. I was 7 years old.

Times have changed, I guess...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Guard. Boxcar flew B-36s, B-39 Tankers, Recons, Bombers, and KC-97s
> and C-5As.

"B-39 tankers"????
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Actually my father (64) says he doesn't care much for her type. "I don't
> like women who look like they could beat me up" is how he puts it. Nicole
> Kidman is more his style. I think she looks like she was CNC-milled out of
> a
> block of aluminum and if you touch her you might get freezer burn. I
> suspect
> neither of us would kick either of them out of bed for eating cookies.

Now THAT would be a movie...starring Angelina Jolie *and* Nicole Kidman...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[leslie]

Jay Honeck ) wrote:
: > Guard. Boxcar flew B-36s, B-39 Tankers, Recons, Bombers, and KC-97s
: > and C-5As.
:
: "B-39 tankers"????
:

They must have meant B-29 tankers.

[Hilton]

Bob Fry wrote:
> For instance, W. flew only during his National Guard time, not before or
after.

George W. couldn't ever fly without busting a TFR. :)

Hilton

[Jay Beckman]

"leslie" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck ) wrote:
> : > Guard. Boxcar flew B-36s, B-39 Tankers, Recons, Bombers, and KC-97s
> : > and C-5As.
> :
> : "B-39 tankers"????
> :
>
> They must have meant B-29 tankers.

Which were, I think, designated as KB-50s?

Jay B

[Montblack]

("Colin W Kingsbury" wrote)
<snip>
>I suspect neither of us would kick either of them out of bed for eating
>cookies.


Trying to keep up but appears I'm missing a step here.


Montblack

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article <JBdTd.81112$Yu.36746@fed1read01>,
"Jay Beckman" > wrote:

> "leslie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jay Honeck ) wrote:
> > : > Guard. Boxcar flew B-36s, B-39 Tankers, Recons, Bombers, and KC-97s
> > : > and C-5As.
> > :
> > : "B-39 tankers"????
> > :
> >
> > They must have meant B-29 tankers.
>
> Which were, I think, designated as KB-50s?
>
> Jay B

No -- the B-50 was, essentially, an upgraded B-29, with R-4360s in place
of R-3350s.

[Some Guy]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message >
> Ho Hum.

> The following sentence is copied from DOT/FAA/AM-02/6 (Page 4):
>
> From a media release on http://apo.faa.gov/
>
> From:http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/IFIM/ifimfaqa086.htm:
>
> And, http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1035
>
> ...still another FAA document http://www.faa.gov/apa/PR/pr.cfm?id=604:

Irrelevnt arguments. A list of citations written by non-aviators [PR flacks
and medical folk], and targeted for the most part at other non-aviators. If
you feel more linguistically comfortable as part of that group, by all means
carry on.

[Matt Barrow]

"Some Guy" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message >
> > Ho Hum.
>
> > The following sentence is copied from DOT/FAA/AM-02/6 (Page 4):
> >
> > From a media release on http://apo.faa.gov/
> >
> > From:http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/IFIM/ifimfaqa086.htm:
> >
> > And, http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1035
> >
> > ...still another FAA document http://www.faa.gov/apa/PR/pr.cfm?id=604:
>
> Irrelevnt arguments. A list of citations written by non-aviators [PR
flacks
> and medical folk], and targeted for the most part at other non-aviators.
If
> you feel more linguistically comfortable as part of that group, by all
means
> carry on.
>
Sounds like you got stuck with your foot in your mouth and are now playing
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.".

[Some Guy]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
> >
> Sounds like you got stuck with your foot in your mouth

Think whatever you'd like, Matt, but then look in your wallet or in a
dresser drawer. I have numerous pieces of paper accumulated over the years.
One says "Commonwealth of Massachusetts Driver's License"; another
"Massachusetts License - Construction Supervisor"; yet another is issued by
th Commonwealth of Massachusetts Division of Professional Licensure of Real
Estate Appraisers. But the one from the FAA (including all the old ones
superceded by each successive new issue) has not one example of the word
'license', in any form, front or back. It simply says "This certifies that
so and so has been found to be properly qualified to exercise the privileges
of Airline Transport Pilot Certificate No. xxxx....", etc., etc., with an
issue date I can remember like yesterday, although kids born on that day are
now earning their living flying airplanes. Now, maybe they've changed
things since I stopped flying a few years ago, so check yours out, and let
me, us all, know if what you carry in your wallet says that it is a license
rather than a certificate.

[gatt]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message

> > Hmm. One would have to work around his later days as a pilot, though.
>
> Why? All the media speculation that he was drunk while flying turned out
to
> be false, as were stories of his certificate having been suspended or
> revoked.

I have a question about that. I've removed his name from the thread, and I
know people who knew him personally and had him as a dinner guest at their
house on more than one occasion. The guy had a rap sheet of DUIIs in
Colorado. Wouldn't the FAA normally review or yank somebody's ticket based
on that?

I understand in his case that they did not.

They may have, for "psychological" reasons, for an exceptionally
high-profile aerobatic pilot whose name I will not mention. Folks who knew
him personally, however, said the guy is/was a prodigeous drinker. I
always wonder if that was the real reason the FAA pulled his ticket.

=c

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
"Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> I sure wouldn't count George W. as a pilot. I'm sure that there are
> thousands of ex-military pilots who are no longer in the pilot
> community...they never converted to civil airman status.

George W. does have a FAA certificate, as does his father. I doubt that
either of them have held valid medicals for years.

Lots of famous folks have certificates, many have valid medicals, but
its even more difficult to determine how many of those famous (or
wealthy) folks are aviation enthusiasts. I would think that a Celebrity
theme suite, as Jay expressed interest in, would benefit most from those
who are truly enthusiasts, as opposed to those who hold certificate to
get from point A to B.



JKG

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
...
>
> George W. does have a FAA certificate, as does his father.
>

How do you know that? They don't appear in the airmen database.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article t>,
"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:

> "Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > George W. does have a FAA certificate, as does his father.
> >
>
> How do you know that? They don't appear in the airmen database.

They appeared in the one at registry.faa.gov the last time I looked,
which was right before I posted. I thought that I had seen them in
there in the past, so that's why I looked again.



JKG

[Chris Ehlbeck]

Depends on where you look. Here's a personal example. I showed up in both
Landings and the FAA databases when I had a 3rd Class/Student. When I got
my PPL, I showed up in the FAA database but not in Landings anymore and
still don't.
--
Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
"It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

"Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
...
> In article t>,
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:
>
> > "Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > George W. does have a FAA certificate, as does his father.
> > >
> >
> > How do you know that? They don't appear in the airmen database.
>
> They appeared in the one at registry.faa.gov the last time I looked,
> which was right before I posted. I thought that I had seen them in
> there in the past, so that's why I looked again.
>
>
>
> JKG

[Dave Stadt]

"Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote in message
t...
> Depends on where you look. Here's a personal example. I showed up in
both
> Landings and the FAA databases when I had a 3rd Class/Student. When I got
> my PPL, I showed up in the FAA database but not in Landings anymore and
> still don't.
> --
> Chris Ehlbeck, PP-ASEL
> "It's a license to learn, have fun and buy really expensive hamburgers."

Databases are only as accurate as those maintaining them. Seldom is 100%
accuracy obtainable or desirable.

[William W. Plummer]

Chris Ehlbeck wrote:
> Depends on where you look. Here's a personal example. I showed up in both
> Landings and the FAA databases when I had a 3rd Class/Student. When I got
> my PPL, I showed up in the FAA database but not in Landings anymore and
> still don't.

Your must chase database inaccuracies. About 4 years ago I had renewed
my medical certificate and 6 months after, decided to check. I wasn't
listed! Later I found many people seem to have the same problem. The
FAA apparently requires both a medical certificate PPL to list you in
the Airmen Database.

After much phoning and messaging, I found somebody that said my medical
had "pending" on it but nobody knew what that meant. So I call the AME
and he didn't understand but said he would re-send the his info (no
charge). A few months later it all cleared up.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
"Chris Ehlbeck" > wrote:

> Depends on where you look. Here's a personal example. I showed up in both
> Landings and the FAA databases when I had a 3rd Class/Student. When I got
> my PPL, I showed up in the FAA database but not in Landings anymore and
> still don't.


As far as I know, the FAA database is the only one that matters. It
appears to be up to date and appears to contain an accurate reflection
of the FAA's certificate records.

Databases from Landings or other aviation sites may or may not be up to
date, depending on who maintains them. I have never seen one as current
or as accurate as the FAA database, which would seem to make sense.

One thing that I have noticed about third-party database searches is
that they often do not show a person if the person doesn't hold a valid
medical. The FAA database shows folks whether or not they hold a valid
medical.


JKG