looking for consumer review on, um, range extender bottles

[Paul kgyy]

A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?

[jsmith]

The guys I used to fly to autoraces learned their lesson after the first
trip. Subsequent trips they brought along empty one-gallon anti-freeze
bottles.
Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department at
KMart.

Paul kgyy wrote:
> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?

[Falky foo]

real men **** out the window



"Paul kgyy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?
>

[Dale]

In article >,
jsmith > wrote:


> Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
> disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department at
> KMart.

I fly jumpers....if my bladder gets out of synch with fuel needs it can
be distressing. One fine afternoon I got out of synch but think no
bigge...I have a water bottle. When I took the cap of the bottle I
dropped it..grrr. Filled the bottle then being worried about a spill I
decided to toss it out the window. Slowed up, opened the window and
moved the open top bottle out into the slipstream....


I called manifest and had the next load bring me a rag to clean up my
sunglasses, inside of the door, windshield....


I now use the piddle packs with the gel forming stuff....much better. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Montblack]

("Falky foo" wrote)
> real men **** out the window


Not if they own a pusher!!


Montblack

[William W. Plummer]

Paul kgyy wrote:

> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?
>
Some long range cross country glider pilots use external catheters.

[mike regish]

I've seen a thing advertised as the Stadium Buddy. Must be the same thing.
You wear a rubber attached to a tube that runs into a reservoir strapped to
your leg.

Personally, I haven't run into this problem, but I think I'd go with the
piddle packs.

mike regish
"William W. Plummer" > wrote in message
...
> Paul kgyy wrote:
>
>> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
>> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
>> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
>> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
>> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?
>>
> Some long range cross country glider pilots use external catheters.

[vincent p. norris]

>real men **** out the window
>
Uh, how do you do that in a Stearman PT-17?

vince norris

[Darrel Toepfer]

jsmith wrote:

> Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
> disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department at
> KMart.

Internet search of K-Mart and Wal-Mart turned up nothing, but here's
another source:

http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
Travel John (pack of three)
Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
and odor. Specially designed collar works for men, women and children;
spill guard prevents back flow during use. Convenient, sanitary and
compact, the Travel John is easy to use while sitting or standing. Will
not leak, even if punctured. Keep several in the plane, car or boat.
Holds 24 fl. oz.
Travel John (pack of three)
ID #: 6585A
Price: $5.95

[George Patterson]

Paul kgyy wrote:
>
> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?

IIRC. AOPA Pilot several years ago. Before Rod Machado began writing a column
for them.

George Patterson
He who tries to carry a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
no other way.

[Mike O'Malley]

"Dale" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> jsmith > wrote:
>
>
>> Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
>> disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department at
>> KMart.
>
> I fly jumpers....if my bladder gets out of synch with fuel needs it can
> be distressing. One fine afternoon I got out of synch but think no
> bigge...I have a water bottle. When I took the cap of the bottle I
> dropped it..grrr. Filled the bottle then being worried about a spill I
> decided to toss it out the window. Slowed up, opened the window and
> moved the open top bottle out into the slipstream....
>
>
> I called manifest and had the next load bring me a rag to clean up my
> sunglasses, inside of the door, windshield....
>

The trick is to point the open end of the bottle outboard and aft as you
stick it out the window. Personally, I prefer the 32oz Gatorade bottles
myself, I've had to use a Snapple bottle in a pinch (first had to dump the
Mystery Oil out, prioraties!) though I had to empty it a couple of times.
THAT get's interesting, I'll tellya what, towing a banner at 300',
jettisoning the lav, flying the plane and <ahem> pinching it off...

[Icebound]

"Darrel Toepfer" > wrote in message
.. .
> jsmith wrote:
>
>> Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
>> disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department at
>> KMart.
>
> Internet search of K-Mart and Wal-Mart turned up nothing, but here's
> another source:
>
> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
> Travel John (pack of three)
> Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
> and odor.

They do work.

The inevitable odour which occurs during the process, goes away pretty much
immediately as the stuff gels into a no-spill throw-in-garbage
plastic-bag-of-glob..

Now $4 for a pack of 3 is considerably better than the price I paid at
Oshkosh... if the KMart version works as well.

[Falky foo]

verry carefully


"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >real men **** out the window
> >
> Uh, how do you do that in a Stearman PT-17?
>
> vince norris

[Cub Driver]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:02:46 -0600, "Mike O'Malley"
> wrote:

> I've had to use a Snapple bottle in a pinch (first had to dump the
>Mystery Oil out, prioraties!) though I had to empty it a couple of times.

A friend was reduced to using the gasoline sampler. He didn't say how
many times he had to cycle it through.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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[Stefan]

In addition to what others suggested: A simple plastic bag works just
fine. Easy to throw out of the window after use, altough not exactly
environmentally correct.

Some women glider pilots use... pampers. The adult version, anyway, for
incontinent people.

I always carry a couple of Travel Johns for passengers. Never needed
them, though.

I suggest you look through two sources to find the device that fits best
your needs: medical shops and glider pilot shops.

Personally, when I feel the need, I just hang it out of the window. Just
make sure it doesn't get squeezed in the rudder... :-)

Stefan

[Frank]

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

<snip>

> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
> Travel John (pack of three)
> Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
> and odor. Specially designed collar works for men, women and children;
> spill guard prevents back flow during use. Convenient, sanitary and
> compact, the Travel John is easy to use while sitting or standing. Will
> not leak, even if punctured. Keep several in the plane, car or boat.
> Holds 24 fl. oz.
> Travel John (pack of three)
> ID #: 6585A
> Price: $5.95

I use these and they work just fine. I think I would seek alternatives if I
needed them more often but I don't make that many long flights.

We used to use one of those strangely shaped plastic bottles they give you
in the hospital and I'd probably go back to that if the chemical packs got
too expensive.

--
Frank....H

[Darrell S]

Paul kgyy wrote:
> A friend told me a while back that that a couple of pilots purchased
> every type of human relief container, and armed with prior consumption
> of a gallon or so of coffee or tea, made a test flight and reported on
> the pros/cons of each. I think this could be quite funny but have
> never been able to find the article. Anybody know of the source?

In the B-58 they didn't include a relief tube. There was a one quart
plastic bottle. If you had to pee more than one quart..... tough. My
worst time was flying from Madrid, Spain to Little Rock, Arkansas. The
gourd was full and I was about to bust. One time my DSO had to crap, so
climbing out of the Oilburner low level route he put his pins in his
capsule, stripped off his flight suit (he was small), lined his flight lunch
box with the waxed paper, and took his dump. He wrapped it as best he could
and re-dressed. Oh, the romance of aviation!

Take a look at the capsule on the More B-58 Pictures Annex link on my home
page shown below. Here's the link. http://members.cox.net/dumwid/ This
is the Annex link. But go to my home page also and sign the Guest Book. My
basic home page B-58 is below in my signature line.

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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[jsmith]

That's them!

> jsmith wrote:
>> Personally, I carry the piddle packs that contain the stuff used in
>> disposable diapers. $4 for a pack of three in the camping department
>> at KMart.

> Darrel Toepfer wrote:
> Internet search of K-Mart and Wal-Mart turned up nothing, but here's
> another source
> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
> Travel John (pack of three)
> Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
> and odor. Specially designed collar works for men, women and children;
> spill guard prevents back flow during use. Convenient, sanitary and
> compact, the Travel John is easy to use while sitting or standing. Will
> not leak, even if punctured. Keep several in the plane, car or boat.
> Holds 24 fl. oz.
> Travel John (pack of three)
> ID #: 6585A
> Price: $5.95

[Henry Kisor]

Darrel Toepfer wrote:
>
> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
> Travel John (pack of three)
> Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
> and odor. Specially designed collar works for men, women and children;
> spill guard prevents back flow during use. Convenient, sanitary and
> compact, the Travel John is easy to use while sitting or standing. Will
> not leak, even if punctured. Keep several in the plane, car or boat.

What I want to know is how easy it is to unzip and fish out one's
personal apparatus through briefs and a jeans fly and poke it into the
pee-pouch while flying a C150 solo (nobody to fly the plane while you
struggle with the business).

[Icebound]

"Henry Kisor" > wrote in message
...
> Darrel Toepfer wrote:
>>
>> http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/pages/printproduct.cfm?Product_ID=299
>> Travel John (pack of three)
>> Absorbent pouch turns urine into gel instantly while destroying bacteria
>> and odor. Specially designed collar works for men, women and children;
>> spill guard prevents back flow during use. Convenient, sanitary and
>> compact, the Travel John is easy to use while sitting or standing. Will
>> not leak, even if punctured. Keep several in the plane, car or boat.
>
> What I want to know is how easy it is to unzip and fish out one's personal
> apparatus through briefs and a jeans fly and poke it into the pee-pouch
> while flying a C150 solo (nobody to fly the plane while you struggle with
> the business).

Here is where size really does matter. You may find that just "fishing it
out" while sitting down (male), may not prove satisfactory. You may have to
undo the belt, too, and slip the garments down a bit, especially anything
fairly tight like jeans. You gotta get everything into a completely
downhill position or you may get spillage during. My one and only
experience is in a car on a busy freeway.... just pulled over to the side,
dropped a jacket over the lap for privacy
:-).

I thought a C150, properly trimmed, was supposed to be able to fly by itself
:-)