Re: source for clips or sleaves for Hotelier linkages

[John Foster]

On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
> Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
> in their sales brochures.
>
> Regards
>
> Al
>
> Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
>
> > Al wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the input guys..
> > >
> > > I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
> > > Wheels.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Al.
> >
> > What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
> > like original equipment? Just curious....
> >
> > AAM

Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.

[Delta8]

On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
in their sales brochures.

Regards

Al

Armand A. Medeiros wrote:

Al wrote:

Thanks for all the input guys..

I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
Wheels.

Regards

Al.

What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
like original equipment? Just curious....

AAM

Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.

Williams in California . I ordered some clips a couple months ago they are available in right and left hand. They are not easy to install through a ASW 20 access hole but are easily tested . Push the button down if it depresses all the way it's not installed correctly .
I use a medical forceps to work in the ones that are further away from the access . They seem to go easier after a few assemblies .
Not cheap but better than pins falling out of your hand into the fuselage .

[Dan Marotta]

I use a hemostat for handling the clips as a gentle squeeze locks them
and I can even let them dangle on the end of the clip's retention string.

I got a bag of 50 chrome plated clips for the Hotelier fittings in my
glider.Â* I measured the diameter of the spring wire and made a search.Â*
Here's an example of what you can get from Grainger:
https://www.grainger.com/product/GRAINGER-APPROVED-Plated-Steel-Safety-Clip-Safety-3LX83

On 7/28/2019 11:21 AM, Delta8 wrote:
> John Foster;996365 Wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:-
>> Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything
>> mechanical
>> in their sales brochures.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Al
>>
>> Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
>> -
>> Al wrote:-
>>
>> Thanks for all the input guys..
>>
>> I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at
>> Wings &
>> Wheels.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Al.-
>>
>> What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
>> like original equipment? Just curious....
>>
>> AAM--
>>
>> Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all
>> my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these
>> clips. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find
>> a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard
>> airworthiness certificated glider.
> Williams in California . I ordered some clips a couple months ago they
> are available in right and left hand. They are not easy to install
> through a ASW 20 access hole but are easily tested . Push the button
> down if it depresses all the way it's not installed correctly .
> I use a medical forceps to work in the ones that are further away from
> the access . They seem to go easier after a few assemblies .
> Not cheap but better than pins falling out of your hand into the
> fuselage .
>
>
>
>

--
Dan, 5J

[Scott Williams]

On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 1:55:17 AM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
> > Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
> > in their sales brochures.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Al
> >
> > Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
> >
> > > Al wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the input guys..
> > > >
> > > > I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
> > > > Wheels.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Al.
> > >
> > > What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
> > > like original equipment? Just curious....
> > >
> > > AAM
>
> Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.

Hi John F,
I'm familiar with the Phoebus, You will find that the only cheap securing device that clears the tubes in the fuselage is safety wire. Even the smallest pins, R or otherwise will not clear, as the control rods do not stay exactly in the center of the tube. Wedekind sleeves may work, but require 'plunger/wedge'LL'hotelier ends and I'll bet your phoebus has 'rotating cams' replacing the 'rotating cam LL'hoteliers with the 'plunger/wedge' might be close to $1800 then you have to buy the Wedekind sleeves.
For What its worth, when you drill the cam plate make sure you have a ball end in the LL'hotelier as the location of the hole is critical.

I have also heard of a Schempp-hirth pin/clip but I have never seen one in real life.
Best of luck,
Scott

[Scott Williams]

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-5, Scott Williams wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 1:55:17 AM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
> > > Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
> > > in their sales brochures.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
> > >
> > > > Al wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the input guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
> > > > > Wheels.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Al.
> > > >
> > > > What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
> > > > like original equipment? Just curious....
> > > >
> > > > AAM
> >
> > Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips.. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.
>
> Hi John F,
> I'm familiar with the Phoebus, You will find that the only cheap securing device that clears the tubes in the fuselage is safety wire. Even the smallest pins, R or otherwise will not clear, as the control rods do not stay exactly in the center of the tube. Wedekind sleeves may work, but require 'plunger/wedge'LL'hotelier ends and I'll bet your phoebus has 'rotating cams' replacing the 'rotating cam LL'hoteliers with the 'plunger/wedge' might be close to $1800 then you have to buy the Wedekind sleeves.
> For What its worth, when you drill the cam plate make sure you have a ball end in the LL'hotelier as the location of the hole is critical.
>
> I have also heard of a Schempp-hirth pin/clip but I have never seen one in real life.
> Best of luck,
> Scott

here's a helpful article;
http://aviation.derosaweb.net/wedekind

[John Foster]

On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 7:46:10 AM UTC-6, Scott Williams wrote:
> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 1:55:17 AM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
> > > Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
> > > in their sales brochures.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
> > >
> > > > Al wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the input guys..
> > > > >
> > > > > I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
> > > > > Wheels.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Al.
> > > >
> > > > What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
> > > > like original equipment? Just curious....
> > > >
> > > > AAM
> >
> > Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips.. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.
>
> Hi John F,
> I'm familiar with the Phoebus, You will find that the only cheap securing device that clears the tubes in the fuselage is safety wire. Even the smallest pins, R or otherwise will not clear, as the control rods do not stay exactly in the center of the tube. Wedekind sleeves may work, but require 'plunger/wedge'LL'hotelier ends and I'll bet your phoebus has 'rotating cams' replacing the 'rotating cam LL'hoteliers with the 'plunger/wedge' might be close to $1800 then you have to buy the Wedekind sleeves.
> For What its worth, when you drill the cam plate make sure you have a ball end in the LL'hotelier as the location of the hole is critical.
>
> I have also heard of a Schempp-hirth pin/clip but I have never seen one in real life.
> Best of luck,
> Scott

Well, I found a source for the pins, and it's local to me, of all places--Ace Hardware! 0.047" (1.2mm) dia. by 19/32" (15mm) long. When I insert them into the holes I drilled, they barely protrude beyond the diameter of the push rod, and will easily clear the holes in the wing root rib. 32 cents each.

[Frank Whiteley]

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 10:59:45 PM UTC-6, John Foster wrote:
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 7:46:10 AM UTC-6, Scott Williams wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 1:55:17 AM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 24, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Al wrote:
> > > > Lets just say ...."Adaquate" as per Rolls Royce discussing anything mechanical
> > > > in their sales brochures.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > Armand A. Medeiros wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for all the input guys..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am now the proud owner of a plethora of clips courtesy of Tim at Wings &
> > > > > > Wheels.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind? Chinsy little things that are .004" to large or good ones
> > > > > like original equipment? Just curious....
> > > > >
> > > > > AAM
> > >
> > > Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but my Google-Fu is weak, and in all my searching online I have not been able to find a source for these clips. I'm facing needing to comply with the AD 94-001, and can't find a source for the clips. Anyone have one? It is for a standard airworthiness certificated glider.
> >
> > Hi John F,
> > I'm familiar with the Phoebus, You will find that the only cheap securing device that clears the tubes in the fuselage is safety wire. Even the smallest pins, R or otherwise will not clear, as the control rods do not stay exactly in the center of the tube. Wedekind sleeves may work, but require 'plunger/wedge'LL'hotelier ends and I'll bet your phoebus has 'rotating cams' replacing the 'rotating cam LL'hoteliers with the 'plunger/wedge' might be close to $1800 then you have to buy the Wedekind sleeves.
> > For What its worth, when you drill the cam plate make sure you have a ball end in the LL'hotelier as the location of the hole is critical.
> >
> > I have also heard of a Schempp-hirth pin/clip but I have never seen one in real life.
> > Best of luck,
> > Scott
>
> Well, I found a source for the pins, and it's local to me, of all places--Ace Hardware! 0.047" (1.2mm) dia. by 19/32" (15mm) long. When I insert them into the holes I drilled, they barely protrude beyond the diameter of the push rod, and will easily clear the holes in the wing root rib. 32 cents each.

When the Ace clerks ask me what I'm looking for, I always reply that I'm headed to the aircraft parts section. (usually for the metric stuff).

[Bruce]

>
> Well, I found a source for the pins, and it's local to me, of all places--Ace Hardware! 0.047" (1.2mm) dia. by 19/32" (15mm) long. When I insert them into the holes I drilled, they barely protrude beyond the diameter of the push rod, and will easily clear the holes in the wing root rib. 32 cents each.

So which pins did you end up using? The "bobbie" pins or other? Enquiring minds want to know :)

Bruce

[Charlie Quebec]

I suggest small R clips, the safety pin type are very hard to put in.

[John Foster]

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 8:09:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Well, I found a source for the pins, and it's local to me, of all places--Ace Hardware! 0.047" (1.2mm) dia. by 19/32" (15mm) long. When I insert them into the holes I drilled, they barely protrude beyond the diameter of the push rod, and will easily clear the holes in the wing root rib. 32 cents each.
>
> So which pins did you end up using? The "bobbie" pins or other? Enquiring minds want to know :)
>
> Bruce

If you have Facebook, check this link out:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217744012405660&set=p.10217744012405660&type=3&theater

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:10:38 AM UTC-4, John Foster wrote:
> On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 8:09:20 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I found a source for the pins, and it's local to me, of all places--Ace Hardware! 0.047" (1.2mm) dia. by 19/32" (15mm) long. When I insert them into the holes I drilled, they barely protrude beyond the diameter of the push rod, and will easily clear the holes in the wing root rib. 32 cents each.
> >
> > So which pins did you end up using? The "bobbie" pins or other? Enquiring minds want to know :)
> >
> > Bruce
>
> If you have Facebook, check this link out:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217744012405660&set=p.10217744012405660&type=3&theater

"Sorry, this content isn't available right now
The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in."

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

Maybe a keyword to search the Ace Hardware website?

Steve Leonard
Phoebus C
N9213
Wrk No. 778

[[email protected]]

For those of us lucky enough to have to put those pins in, the best tool is a really bright flashlight. It’s relatively easy if you can put a bright light right on the connection. It’s next to impossible to do it blind.

[John Foster]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-6, Steve Leonard wrote:
> Maybe a keyword to search the Ace Hardware website?
>
> Steve Leonard
> Phoebus C
> N9213
> Wrk No. 778

I've done an extensive search on the Ace Hardware website, and I don't see them listed online. I really wish we could post photos here. I've tried uploading the photo to PhotoBucket, but that seems to be giving me hassles as well. Any other ideas of posting photos of this?

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:21:36 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> I've done an extensive search on the Ace Hardware website, and I don't see them listed online. I really wish we could post photos here. I've tried uploading the photo to PhotoBucket, but that seems to be giving me hassles as well. Any other ideas of posting photos of this?

Your Facebook page appears to be Public. Maybe another attempt to post a picture on your timeline?

Steve Leonard

[Dan Marotta]

And another good tool is a hemostat
<https://www.amazon.com/SE-610FS-Self-Locking-Straight-Stainless/dp/B009NYW2W8/ref=asc_df_B009NYW2W8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312270925393&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10767409606582083748&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030615&hvtargid=pla-436320895618&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=61740029226&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312270925393&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10767409606582083748&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9030615&hvtargid=pla-436320895618>.
It's long and thin, and locks on the part.

On 8/2/2019 1:21 PM, wrote:
> For those of us lucky enough to have to put those pins in, the best tool is a really bright flashlight. It’s relatively easy if you can put a bright light right on the connection. It’s next to impossible to do it blind.

--
Dan, 5J

[Dan Marotta]

Dropbox.Â* On your dropbox, select the file you want to show, right
click, select "Copy Dropbox Link", and paste that link into your message.

On 8/2/2019 1:21 PM, John Foster wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:15:09 AM UTC-6, Steve Leonard wrote:
>> Maybe a keyword to search the Ace Hardware website?
>>
>> Steve Leonard
>> Phoebus C
>> N9213
>> Wrk No. 778
> I've done an extensive search on the Ace Hardware website, and I don't see them listed online. I really wish we could post photos here. I've tried uploading the photo to PhotoBucket, but that seems to be giving me hassles as well. Any other ideas of posting photos of this?

--
Dan, 5J

[John Foster]

Let’s try this:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/w6meRLjLQfb9dT6V6

[Bruce]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:45:05 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
> Let’s try this:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/w6meRLjLQfb9dT6V6

Photo Worked It's an R-Clip!

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 4:45:05 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> Let’s try this:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/w6meRLjLQfb9dT6V6

Thank you, John. It is what I suspected, but good to see confirmation!

Steve Leonard

[John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:21:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> For those of us lucky enough to have to put those pins in, the best tool is a really bright flashlight. It’s relatively easy if you can put a bright light right on the connection. It’s next to impossible to do it blind.

Swanson - I have to disagree on it being impossible to put the R-clip in blind. I suppose it all depends on the glider. My (beloved) DG-101 had a turtle deck hatch and no amount of lighting was going to help the situation of looking into a jet black hole surrounded by sun lit bright white gel coat.. You had to do it blind (especially the dive brakes which were located at the wing root).

[John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 4:45:05 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> Let’s try this:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/w6meRLjLQfb9dT6V6

John - You really need to put a leash on these frisky R-clips to keep them from jumping into the belly of the beast and lodging in places you REALLY want to avoid.

[John Foster]

On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 7:03:44 PM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 4:45:05 PM UTC-5, John Foster wrote:
> > Let’s try this:
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/w6meRLjLQfb9dT6V6
>
> John - You really need to put a leash on these frisky R-clips to keep them from jumping into the belly of the beast and lodging in places you REALLY want to avoid.

I will do that. That is a great idea. From reading above, dental floss should work?

[[email protected]]

> I will do that. That is a great idea. From reading above, dental floss should work?

Dental floss works, also any other strong, thin cord. When you tie the knot around the pin, use a dot of hot melt glue to fix it to the pin. Cords and knots eventually stretch and loosen. The glue over the knot and pin eliminates this.

[Delta8]

http://aviation.derosaweb.net;996887]On[/url] Friday, August 2, 2019 at 2:21:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
For those of us lucky enough to have to put those pins in, the best tool is a really bright flashlight. It’s relatively easy if you can put a bright light right on the connection. It’s next to impossible to do it blind.

Swanson - I have to disagree on it being impossible to put the R-clip in blind. I suppose it all depends on the glider. My (beloved) DG-101 had a turtle deck hatch and no amount of lighting was going to help the situation of looking into a jet black hole surrounded by sun lit bright white gel coat.. You had to do it blind (especially the dive brakes which were located at the wing root).

I found that draping a nice big bath towel over my head and the surrounding fuselage kills the sunlight. A flashlight works then for final check .

After going the pin route the clips are a god send . You don't need to tie anything onto them to prevent them from falling into the abyss .

[Dan Marotta]

On 8/3/2019 4:29 AM, Delta8 wrote:
> After going the pin route the clips are a god send . You don't need to
> tie anything onto them to prevent them from falling into the abyss .
>
.... Until one slips out of your fingers.
--
Dan, 5J

[JD Williams]

The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.

Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.

JD

[Scott Williams]

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 9:53:11 AM UTC-5, JD Williams wrote:
> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
>
> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
>
> JD

Hey JD,
The phoebus uses a small aluminum "fork" tool to extract the control rods from the fuselage or wing. Maybe someone can send you a picture of the originals, I made a few, but I sent them with the glider when I sold it.
Good Luck,
Scott

[Dan Marotta]

My clips are inserted in the connector approximately 17 feet from the
fuselage.Â* No chance of dropping them inside. :-DÂ* For me the string is
to catch the clip, should I drop it, so it's not lost on the ground.

Jesus rod?

On 8/3/2019 8:53 AM, JD Williams wrote:
> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
>
> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
>
> JD

--
Dan, 5J

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 10:26:04 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:

>
> Jesus rod?
>
> Dan, 5J


Main wing pin. Lose it, meet Jesus.

Steve Leonard

[Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)]

Dental floss is very cheap, works, very available.
Braided small fishing line (NOT monofilament) also works.

Yes, a hot glue dab or small dab of ShooGlue (or similar.....thickened silicone sealant) to hold "string" to both sides is great.
Weak enough to break in a bind, cheap, prevents dropping pins/clips while assembling.

[Delta8]

On 8/3/2019 4:29 AM, Delta8 wrote:
After going the pin route the clips are a god send . You don't need to
tie anything onto them to prevent them from falling into the abyss .

.... Until one slips out of your fingers.
--
Dan, 5J

See T8's posted pictures . They stay attached to the push rods . There are tiny factory holes in the fitting . The end of the clip is pushed through the hole and bent at a 90 degree angle.

[John Foster]

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-6, JD Williams wrote:
> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
>
> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
>
> JD

JD, I just got done making this tool.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/t8A6Mgw592vHA2dA8

[Dan Marotta]

Neat tool!Â* But couldn't you simply move the control surface to gain
access to the rod end?Â* Or am I missing something?

On 8/3/2019 6:53 PM, John Foster wrote:
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-6, JD Williams wrote:
>> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
>>
>> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
>>
>> JD
> JD, I just got done making this tool.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/t8A6Mgw592vHA2dA8

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Dan, 5J

[John Foster]

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Neat tool!Â* But couldn't you simply move the control surface to gain
> access to the rod end?Â* Or am I missing something?
>
> On 8/3/2019 6:53 PM, John Foster wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-6, JD Williams wrote:
> >> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
> >>
> >> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
> >>
> >> JD
> > JD, I just got done making this tool.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/t8A6Mgw592vHA2dA8
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

For the aileron, yes. However, the spoilers when closed, have the end of the rod retracted inside the wing, and you have to pull it out to connect it prior to sliding the wing all the way in. It is a real challenge to pull it out to hook it up. This tool makes it easier. In the past, I have used a bent wire coat-hanger, but I fear that constant use of that could call the ball of the connector.

[Dan Marotta]

Excellent!Â* (But a really ****ty design on the glider.)

On 8/5/2019 12:39 AM, John Foster wrote:
> On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Neat tool!Â* But couldn't you simply move the control surface to gain
>> access to the rod end?Â* Or am I missing something?
>>
>> On 8/3/2019 6:53 PM, John Foster wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-6, JD Williams wrote:
>>>> The phoebus connections are made outside the fuselage, if dropped the pins fall to the ground. I keep mine in an altoid tin along with the pin for the Jesus rod. Gives me one more positive check that pins are in. Box empty, pins in.
>>>>
>>>> Any sources for plastic hemostats (with bent ends)? On the phoebus you have to reach into the wing and pull the brake rod out for hookup. I plasti-dipped a set of pliers but would rather have a plastic set. I was told that using pliers could score the connector ball, not desirable.
>>>>
>>>> JD
>>> JD, I just got done making this tool.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/t8A6Mgw592vHA2dA8
>> --
>> Dan, 5J
> For the aileron, yes. However, the spoilers when closed, have the end of the rod retracted inside the wing, and you have to pull it out to connect it prior to sliding the wing all the way in. It is a real challenge to pull it out to hook it up. This tool makes it easier. In the past, I have used a bent wire coat-hanger, but I fear that constant use of that could call the ball of the connector.

--
Dan, 5J

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 9:03:40 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Excellent!Â* (But a really ****ty design on the glider.)
>
Most Fleabi (Plural of Phoebus) have chipped away finish at the inboard end of the upper surface dive brake. You stick something like a thin screwdriver blade in to pop the spoiler up, then pull it up to fully extended, which puts the control rod end just outside the wing root rib. Then, with the dive brake handle fully deployed in the cockpit, you can just connect the two.

Not too unlike the aileron connections on a Nimbus 3 at the inboard/outboard panel joint.

Steve Leonard

[Charlie Quebec]

Before I fitted wedekind sleeves on my DG, I had R clips tied to the pushrods with fishing line.
It was very difficult to fit them, impossible to see whilst fitting. It was also difficult to keep hands free of grease in the process making it harder.
Now, with the sleeves, the whole hookup takes less than a minute, against 10-15 minutes of fiddling.

[John Foster]

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 7:55:18 PM UTC-6, Charlie Quebec wrote:
> Before I fitted wedekind sleeves on my DG, I had R clips tied to the pushrods with fishing line.
> It was very difficult to fit them, impossible to see whilst fitting. It was also difficult to keep hands free of grease in the process making it harder.
> Now, with the sleeves, the whole hookup takes less than a minute, against 10-15 minutes of fiddling.

Fortunately the arrangement of these connections is different with the Phoebus, making the connections outside, between the wing and the fuselage. Lots of room and direct visualization of the connection.

[JD Williams]

John,

How did you make it? 3D print? Thats a perfect solution!
JD

[John Foster]

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 8:01:26 AM UTC-6, JD Williams wrote:
> John,
>
> How did you make it? 3D print? Thats a perfect solution!
> JD

I ordered 6" lengths of 3/4" Delrin rod off Ebay, and then drilled the end first with the smallest neck diameter, and then the larger ball diameter at the appropriate distance. Then it was hand-shaping with a cone grinding stone in a Dremmel Tool.

[JS[_5_]]

Back to the original problem.
I've now used the white LS sleeves.
They're really simple things. Perhaps could be manufactured from a Delrin rod in the same way John made that tool.
Jim