Safety at risk in FAA

[Peterpan]

In 1837, Danish author, Hans Christian Andersen, wrote a wonderful fairy
tale which he titled The Emperor's New Clothes. It may be the very
first example of the power of political correctness. It is the story of
the Ruler of a distant land who was so enamored of his appearance (FAA
MANAGEMENT) and his clothing that he had a different suit for every hour
of the day.

One day two rogues arrived in town, claiming to be gifted weavers. They
convinced the Emperor (ASO FAA Management) that they could weave the
most wonderful cloth, which had a magical property. The clothes were
only visible to those who were completely pure in heart and spirit.

The Emperor (ASO FAA Management) was impressed and ordered the weavers
to begin work immediately. The rogues, who had a deep understanding of
human nature, began to feign work on empty looms.

Minister after minister went to view the new clothes and all came back
exhorting the beauty of the cloth on the looms even though none of them
could see a thing.

Finally a grand procession was planned for the Emperor (ASO FAA
Management) to display his new finery. The Emperor went to view his
clothes and was shocked to see absolutely nothing, but he pretended to
admire the fabulous cloth, inspect the clothes with awe, and, after
disrobing, go through the motions of carefully putting on a suit of the
new garments.

Under a royal canopy the Emperor appeared to the admiring throng of his
people - - all of whom cheered and clapped because they all knew the
rogue weavers' tale and did not want to be seen as less than pure of heart.

But, the bubble burst when an innocent child loudly exclaimed, for the
whole kingdom to hear, that the Emperor had nothing on at all. He had
no clothes.

And now, a good example of the above.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/09/pf/college/nace_survey/

REAL WORLD
Year 2005 Pay Survey

Notice in the above link TECHNICAL disciplines like Computer Science and
ELECTRONIC Engineering make an average of 15.5 percent MORE
compensation than:

Civil Engineering Degrees

Notice also that Technical disciplines are compensated 25 percent more than:

Business Administration Degrees

So, why are most of the so called MANAGERS?? in the Southern Region FAA
making MORE money with Non-Technical degrees than the people under them
with TECHNICAL degrees or training???

Are you Curious???

Maybe a little SOCIAL ENGINEERING at work regardless of TECHNICAL
Qualifications in the FAA???

The FAA is a TECHNICAL organization responsible for Air Safety being
managed by NON-TECHNICAL UNQUALIFIED no NAS background people under PC
and Social Engineering edicts sent down by NON-TECHNICAL FAA Emperors.

Safety is a risk. Call your Congressional representative and ask:

Why are NON-TECHNICAL people managing TECHNICAL people in the Southern
Region FAA? Why do FAA Middle Managers inform their most experienced
technical people:

"You don't need a Technical background to manage people in a TECHNICAL
discipline"(Atlanta SMO Manager quote to a 26 year NAVCOM TID last year)

Inquiring minds would like to know how you justify a backwards
management and compensation philosophy like the above??

Maybe SOCIAL ENGINEERING supersedes AIR SAFETY in the new but distorted
FAA??

"THE EMPEROR (FAA SOUTHERN REGION MANAGEMENT) HAS NO CLOTHES"
"POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS TYRANNY WITH MANNERS"

[Colin W Kingsbury]

OK, I'll bite.

"Peterpan" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Notice in the above link TECHNICAL disciplines like Computer Science and
> ELECTRONIC Engineering make an average of 15.5 percent MORE
> compensation than:
>
> Civil Engineering Degrees

We're building a lot more computers and software and a lot fewer roads and
bridges compared to 20, 30, 40 years ago.

> Notice also that Technical disciplines are compensated 25 percent more
than:
>
> Business Administration Degrees

Any jackass can get a business degree. All it means these days is you had
the time and money to pay for it. A BS or MS requires a modicum of real
skill (esp. math) that many people simply do not have.

> So, why are most of the so called MANAGERS?? in the Southern Region FAA
> making MORE money with Non-Technical degrees than the people under them
> with TECHNICAL degrees or training???
>
> Are you Curious???

No. Nearly every technology company I've worked in has non-technical people
managing engineers.

>
> Why are NON-TECHNICAL people managing TECHNICAL people in the Southern
> Region FAA? Why do FAA Middle Managers inform their most experienced
> technical people:
>
> "You don't need a Technical background to manage people in a TECHNICAL
> discipline"(Atlanta SMO Manager quote to a 26 year NAVCOM TID last year)
>

He's right. When I managed a professional services department (software) I
spent 90% of my time dealing with people issues. Often the very best
technical people are terrible managers. It really is a different skillset.
Techies can absolutely learn to be managers too, but managers can also learn
to grasp the important points of technical issues.

>
> "THE EMPEROR (FAA SOUTHERN REGION MANAGEMENT) HAS NO CLOTHES"
> "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS TYRANNY WITH MANNERS"

Take a deep breath, You're starting to sound like the guy in the movie
"Falling Down."

-cwk.

[Jay Beckman]

"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
>> So, why are most of the so called MANAGERS?? in the Southern Region FAA
>> making MORE money with Non-Technical degrees than the people under them
>> with TECHNICAL degrees or training???
>>
>> Are you Curious???
>
> No. Nearly every technology company I've worked in has non-technical
> people
> managing engineers.
>

FWIW,

Several years ago, GM replaced the usual business-degree type with an honest
to God slide-rule/pocket protector engineer as CEO and damn near destroyed
the company.

Just because you have the ability to work (and perhaps even flurish...)
within a given system, does not automatically qualify you to oversee said
system.

Just my $0.02 worth from the cheap seats.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Dan Engleman]

What Jay said.

Dan, M.A.


"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:Yh6Td.81076$Yu.11740@fed1read01...
> "Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>>> So, why are most of the so called MANAGERS?? in the Southern Region FAA
>>> making MORE money with Non-Technical degrees than the people under them
>>> with TECHNICAL degrees or training???
>>>
>>> Are you Curious???
>>
>> No. Nearly every technology company I've worked in has non-technical
>> people
>> managing engineers.
>>
>
> FWIW,
>
> Several years ago, GM replaced the usual business-degree type with an
> honest to God slide-rule/pocket protector engineer as CEO and damn near
> destroyed the company.
>
> Just because you have the ability to work (and perhaps even flurish...)
> within a given system, does not automatically qualify you to oversee said
> system.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth from the cheap seats.
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ
>

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:Yh6Td.81076$Yu.11740@fed1read01...
>
> Several years ago, GM replaced the usual business-degree type with an
> honest to God slide-rule/pocket protector engineer as CEO and damn near
> destroyed the company.

Oh...maybe Alfred Sloan? :~)

>
> Just because you have the ability to work (and perhaps even flurish...)
> within a given system, does not automatically qualify you to oversee said
> system.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth from the cheap seats.

And as John Deakin has pointed out in his columns on AvWeb, TCM and Lycoming
have gone from engineers running the company to business (MBA types?) and
damn near (some may say "completely") ruined the company.

Some engineers are good leaders/managers and many professional managers can
only produce short term benefits that ruin the companies in the long term.

[Larry Dighera]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:36 -0500, Peterpan >
wrote in >::

>But, the bubble burst when an innocent child loudly exclaimed, for the
>whole kingdom to hear, that the Emperor had nothing on at all.

You're talking about the Southern Reign, but look what's happening in
NY:

ERROR REPORTS (AND DRAMA) UP AT NEW YORK TRACON...
Union leaders and politicians say a cut in overtime at the New York
Terminal Radar Approach Control center has mushroomed the rate of
operational errors (19 in the last month compared to 24 in the
previous year) and they're urging the FAA to relax the restrictions.
But it's also worth noting that the errors have, according to The New
York Times, been reported through an anonymous tips line that roared
to life after the apparently unpopular manager of the TRACON put a
tighter lid on overtime on Jan. 12 and, as AVweb told you Jan. 13, 15
controllers were fired for alleged discrepancies in their medical
records. In fact, the 226 controllers at the TRACON signed a Feb. 3
letter saying the manager had embarked "on a reckless mission" by
reducing controller strength when traffic is increasing, according to
the Times.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189202

....SENATORS JOIN THE FRAY...
Now, Senators Hilary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer have jumped
into the fray, writing a letter to the FAA pointing out that the
agency has pledged to cut flights if it can't properly staff its
control facilities. "It is imperative that our air traffic control
facilities are adequately staffed," Clinton said in a statement
released Wednesday. They claim the new overtime policy has not only
increased errors, but "congested frequencies," and suspended training.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189203

....NIGHT TOWER-CLOSURE PLAN PROCEEDS
At the opposite end of the capacity debate, the FAA is pushing ahead
with plans to close up to 48 towers for five to eight hours late at
night and early in the morning when it says controllers have little or
nothing to control. As AVweb told you in December, the agency wants to
reallocate the resources to busier times (or busier towers). FAA
spokesman William Shumann told The Washington Times the agency won't
reveal the final list until the House Appropriations Committee's
Subcommittee on Transportation, the Treasury and independent agencies
hold a hearing on its budget.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189204

[Colin W Kingsbury]

I did see that. I'm always skeptical when the story involves a
labor-management ****ing match. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we're not
getting the full story here. But that goes for both sides.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:36 -0500, Peterpan >
> wrote in >::
>
> >But, the bubble burst when an innocent child loudly exclaimed, for the
> >whole kingdom to hear, that the Emperor had nothing on at all.
>
> You're talking about the Southern Reign, but look what's happening in
> NY:
>
> ERROR REPORTS (AND DRAMA) UP AT NEW YORK TRACON...
> Union leaders and politicians say a cut in overtime at the New York
> Terminal Radar Approach Control center has mushroomed the rate of
> operational errors (19 in the last month compared to 24 in the
> previous year) and they're urging the FAA to relax the restrictions.
> But it's also worth noting that the errors have, according to The New
> York Times, been reported through an anonymous tips line that roared
> to life after the apparently unpopular manager of the TRACON put a
> tighter lid on overtime on Jan. 12 and, as AVweb told you Jan. 13, 15
> controllers were fired for alleged discrepancies in their medical
> records. In fact, the 226 controllers at the TRACON signed a Feb. 3
> letter saying the manager had embarked "on a reckless mission" by
> reducing controller strength when traffic is increasing, according to
> the Times.
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189202
>
> ...SENATORS JOIN THE FRAY...
> Now, Senators Hilary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer have jumped
> into the fray, writing a letter to the FAA pointing out that the
> agency has pledged to cut flights if it can't properly staff its
> control facilities. "It is imperative that our air traffic control
> facilities are adequately staffed," Clinton said in a statement
> released Wednesday. They claim the new overtime policy has not only
> increased errors, but "congested frequencies," and suspended training.
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189203
>
> ...NIGHT TOWER-CLOSURE PLAN PROCEEDS
> At the opposite end of the capacity debate, the FAA is pushing ahead
> with plans to close up to 48 towers for five to eight hours late at
> night and early in the morning when it says controllers have little or
> nothing to control. As AVweb told you in December, the agency wants to
> reallocate the resources to busier times (or busier towers). FAA
> spokesman William Shumann told The Washington Times the agency won't
> reveal the final list until the House Appropriations Committee's
> Subcommittee on Transportation, the Treasury and independent agencies
> hold a hearing on its budget.
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/355-full.html#189204
>

[edddy]

IN the magnificent old days the emporer was never
to be seen by the slaves/serfs as such. He was to be just another rich
man.

In fact entire villages were to be destroyed and burned if the emprorer
felt threathened.

ANd to walk out naked was a true fact of reality for this upperclass.

A vestige is still present to this day promoting kingdoms. And nobility.