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Ross Oliver
March 1st 05, 07:20 AM
Recently I discovered that for a long time, I have been mis-interpreting
one aspect of reading sectional charts.

A few weeks ago, I was preparing for a flight to Shelter Cove on the
coast of Northern California. My planned fuel stop was the Little
River airport in Mendicino (O48 on the San Francisco sectional). I
noticed, however, that the airport symbol for Little River had no tick
marks. Thinking this was an error, I sent an email to NACO suggesting
the correction.

A few days later, I received a nice reply stating that the meaning
of tick marks is not just that the airport has fuel available. It
must have fuel AND be attended at least Monday through Friday, 10am
to 4pm local. Since Little River is not attended on Tuesdays and
Wednesdays, it doesn't get tick marks.

I suppose in days before the proliferation of self-serve fuel pumps,
the attendence requirement made sense. In order to get the fuel, you
had to have someone pump it for you, and more importantly, collect
the $$$. But now, I suspect many possible fuel stops might be missed
by only a casual survey of the chart for airports with tick marks,
especially if certain airports decide to forgo some weekday coverage in
order to cover the busier weekends.

Little River is the only airport I've found like this so far. Are
there many others? Would it be more beneficial to remove the attendence
requirement for tick marks?


Happy landings,
Ross Oliver

Mike W.
March 1st 05, 08:33 PM
The airport in my hometown (Lincoln, IL) AAA has a self serve pump with
credit card reader, so it's a good fuel stop. and you are right, no ticks
because it is attended on irregular hours.

If you want all of those details, look to the current A/FD.


"Ross Oliver" > wrote in message
...
>
> Recently I discovered that for a long time, I have been mis-interpreting
> one aspect of reading sectional charts.
>
> A few weeks ago, I was preparing for a flight to Shelter Cove on the
> coast of Northern California. My planned fuel stop was the Little
> River airport in Mendicino (O48 on the San Francisco sectional). I
> noticed, however, that the airport symbol for Little River had no tick
> marks. Thinking this was an error, I sent an email to NACO suggesting
> the correction.
>
> A few days later, I received a nice reply stating that the meaning
> of tick marks is not just that the airport has fuel available. It
> must have fuel AND be attended at least Monday through Friday, 10am
> to 4pm local. Since Little River is not attended on Tuesdays and
> Wednesdays, it doesn't get tick marks.
>
> I suppose in days before the proliferation of self-serve fuel pumps,
> the attendence requirement made sense. In order to get the fuel, you
> had to have someone pump it for you, and more importantly, collect
> the $$$. But now, I suspect many possible fuel stops might be missed
> by only a casual survey of the chart for airports with tick marks,
> especially if certain airports decide to forgo some weekday coverage in
> order to cover the busier weekends.
>
> Little River is the only airport I've found like this so far. Are
> there many others? Would it be more beneficial to remove the attendence
> requirement for tick marks?
>
>
> Happy landings,
> Ross Oliver

Jose
March 1st 05, 08:40 PM
I was taught (in ground school) that tickmarks meant "services". To me
that means more than self-serve fuel. It implies at least some sort of
maintanance facility, and to my knowledge, there are no self-service
aircraft maintanance shops around.

Jose
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Jonathan Sorger
March 1st 05, 08:57 PM
Very interesting.
On my first trip there I planned a fuel stop at Ukiah since Little River
wasn't appropriately ticked.
Now I see that SS fuel is available.


In > Ross Oliver wrote:
>
> Recently I discovered that for a long time, I have been mis-
> interpreting one aspect of reading sectional charts.
>
> A few weeks ago, I was preparing for a flight to Shelter Cove on the
> coast of Northern California. My planned fuel stop was the Little
> River airport in Mendicino (O48 on the San Francisco sectional). I
> noticed, however, that the airport symbol for Little River had no tick
> marks. Thinking this was an error, I sent an email to NACO suggesting
> the correction.
>
> A few days later, I received a nice reply stating that the meaning
> of tick marks is not just that the airport has fuel available. It
> must have fuel AND be attended at least Monday through Friday, 10am
> to 4pm local. Since Little River is not attended on Tuesdays and
> Wednesdays, it doesn't get tick marks.
>
> I suppose in days before the proliferation of self-serve fuel pumps,
> the attendence requirement made sense. In order to get the fuel, you
> had to have someone pump it for you, and more importantly, collect
> the $$$. But now, I suspect many possible fuel stops might be missed
> by only a casual survey of the chart for airports with tick marks,
> especially if certain airports decide to forgo some weekday coverage
> in order to cover the busier weekends.
>
> Little River is the only airport I've found like this so far. Are
> there many others? Would it be more beneficial to remove the
> attendence requirement for tick marks?
>
>
> Happy landings,
> Ross Oliver
>

March 2nd 05, 02:38 AM
Mike W. wrote:
You have to get out the A/FD to see what they offer. And if it is
> critical for you to get fuel at a certain airport, call them before
you go
> to make sure. Even airports that sell fuel sometimes run out of the
stuff.

Good advice. I once stopped at a strange airport for fuel because it
had
the tickmarks on the sectional symbol. I found a closed-up FBO and no
services whatsoever. Fortunately, there was another airport with fuel
not far away.

David Johnson

Ross Oliver
March 2nd 05, 06:55 AM
The legend on the chart says: "Services - fuel available and field tended
during normal working hours..." No mention of maintenance facilities.
For example, the Byron airport (C83) according to the AOPA airport directory
has fuel but no maintenance, and that airport is depicted with tick marks.



On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:40:13 GMT, Jose > wrote:
>I was taught (in ground school) that tickmarks meant "services". To me
>that means more than self-serve fuel. It implies at least some sort of
>maintanance facility, and to my knowledge, there are no self-service
>aircraft maintanance shops around.

Jose
March 2nd 05, 07:10 AM
> The legend on the chart says: "Services - fuel available and field tended
> during normal working hours..." No mention of maintenance facilities.

I take "fuel available" is just one of the services, not the definition
of "services".

> For example, the Byron airport (C83) according to the AOPA airport directory
> has fuel but no maintenance, and that airport is depicted with tick marks.

I'll keep this in mind. This is the first time I've been wrong.

Since the last time. :)

Jose
--
Nothing is more powerful than a commercial interest.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Dan Girellini
March 2nd 05, 04:05 PM
(Ross Oliver) writes:

> The legend on the chart says: "Services - fuel available and field tended
> during normal working hours..." No mention of maintenance facilities. For
> example, the Byron airport (C83) according to the AOPA airport directory has
> fuel but no maintenance, and that airport is depicted with tick marks.

The NACO Aeronautical Chart User's Guide
(<http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/catalog/charts/supplementary/aero_guide>)
is kind of vague, but seems to say ticks indicate "Refueling and repair
facilities for normal traffic."

Dan.

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