Wiring Harness Needed

[Bob Youngblood]

I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201 can anyone help. Thanks, Bob

[Richard Pfiffner[_2_]]

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:36:42 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201 can anyone help. Thanks, Bob

http://www.craggyaero.com/becker.htm

Or call

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Al McNamara[_4_]]

At 20:36 04 September 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
>I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201 can anyone
help.
>Thanks, Bob
>
Suggest you try the European site (uras). Must be lots of these kinking
around after our recent 833 switch over.

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, Al McNamara wrote:
> At 20:36 04 September 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> >I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201 can anyone
> help.
> >Thanks, Bob
> >
> Suggest you try the European site (uras). Must be lots of these kinking
> around after our recent 833 switch over.

Most kept their wiring harness.

[Eric Munk]

At 22:05 04 September 2019, Dan Daly wrote:
>On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, Al
McNamara wrote:
>> At 20:36 04 September 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
>> >I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201
can anyone
>> help.
>> >Thanks, Bob
>> >
>> Suggest you try the European site (uras). Must be lots of
these kinking
>> around after our recent 833 switch over.
>
>Most kept their wiring harness.
>
Jup. Just changed the connector.

[[email protected]]

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 3:00:07 AM UTC-4, Eric Munk wrote:
> At 22:05 04 September 2019, Dan Daly wrote:
> >On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, Al
> McNamara wrote:
> >> At 20:36 04 September 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> >> >I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201
> can anyone
> >> help.
> >> >Thanks, Bob
> >> >
> >> Suggest you try the European site (uras). Must be lots of
> these kinking
> >> around after our recent 833 switch over.
> >
> >Most kept their wiring harness.
> >
> Jup. Just changed the connector.

It is not too hard to make your own harness. Especially if the system is simple: power, mic, PPT and speaker, no intercom or second seat. You need to connect the other ends of the wires to those things in any case. If your glider already has those things and old wires, "just change the connector".. There was a thread here some months ago about where to get the connector to fit the AR4201, I don't know whether the AR3201 uses the same connector..

[[email protected]]

simple enough to make using a db15 connector. You should check the manual for your particular serial number radio to be sure nothing has changed but for mine the pinouts are as follows:
+12v - pins 4, 5
Ground - pin 2
PTT switch - pin 12
PTT ground - pin 3
Audio Ground - pin 9
Audio signal - pin 15
Mic in - pin 11
Mic ground - pin 10

All ground lines (2, 3, 9, 10) are tied together internal to the radio. All +12v lines (4, 5) are also tied together internal to the radio.

Robert


On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 3:36:42 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201 can anyone help. Thanks, Bob

[Dan Daly[_2_]]

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 10:54:10 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 3:00:07 AM UTC-4, Eric Munk wrote:
> > At 22:05 04 September 2019, Dan Daly wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, Al
> > McNamara wrote:
> > >> At 20:36 04 September 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > >> >I have a radio that needs a wiring harness, Becker AR3201
> > can anyone
> > >> help.
> > >> >Thanks, Bob
> > >> >
> > >> Suggest you try the European site (uras). Must be lots of
> > these kinking
> > >> around after our recent 833 switch over.
> > >
> > >Most kept their wiring harness.
> > >
> > Jup. Just changed the connector.
>
> It is not too hard to make your own harness. Especially if the system is simple: power, mic, PPT and speaker, no intercom or second seat. You need to connect the other ends of the wires to those things in any case. If your glider already has those things and old wires, "just change the connector". There was a thread here some months ago about where to get the connector to fit the AR4201, I don't know whether the AR3201 uses the same connector.

3201 is different from 4201.

[Surge]

On Thursday, 5 September 2019 09:00:07 UTC+2, Eric Munk wrote:
> Jup. Just changed the connector.

I upgraded from an ancient, crystal based Dittel FSG 16 to the Becker AR3201 and was pleasantly surprised to find that the wiring in the aircraft for the FSG 16 was basically the same layout as the AR3201 wiring diagram.
It looks like the wiring harnesses are fairly standardised with only the connector type and pin order being different.

Here's a copy of the AR3201 manual containing the wiring diagrams.
http://www.soargbsc.com/Becker3201.pdf

[James Thomson[_2_]]

At 09:24 06 September 2019, Surge wrote:

>It looks like the wiring harnesses are fairly standardised with only the
>connector type and pin order being different.
>

The devil is in the detail! The connector may actually be the same but
which wire to which pin, whether wires are linked, and what is earthed may

be critically different. At least one radio manufacturer offers adaptors

boards to let you link your existing harness to his new generation 8.33
radios.

[Dan Marotta]

What surprises me as a former radio maintenance technician then a
systems engineer is that they would change the wiring harness at all.Â*
All two way comm radios require the same basis signals:Â* Vcc, Gnd, Ptt,
Audio, Mic, and their associated grounds.Â* The factory already has the
jigs for building harnesses.Â* Why change all of that simply because a
new feature has been added?Â* Simply add another wire in a different pin
location.

Oh, I get it.Â* Someone else designed the new radio and had to make his
mark by changing the wiring harness.Â* Just like on my car electronics.Â*
It appears that at least four different individuals had a hand in
designing user interfaces for the different screen functions so all of
the buttons are in different locations.Â* Junk!

On 9/6/2019 4:34 AM, James Thomson wrote:
> At 09:24 06 September 2019, Surge wrote:
>
>> It looks like the wiring harnesses are fairly standardised with only the
>> connector type and pin order being different.
>>
> The devil is in the detail! The connector may actually be the same but
> which wire to which pin, whether wires are linked, and what is earthed may
>
> be critically different. At least one radio manufacturer offers adaptors
>
> boards to let you link your existing harness to his new generation 8.33
> radios.
>

--
Dan, 5J

[[email protected][_2_]]

I’ve purchased three harnesses over the last few years. One made by Goddard was by far the nicest unless you try and get an original factory replacement.
The factory replacement harnesses for these older radios aren’t readily available, so you might end up with a newer model radio harness and have to
dead end a number of wires in the harness for functions the older radio doesn’t have.
The Goddard harness I purchased was well made, Tefvel wiring, each wire and function labeled, appropriate ends on the wiring for shielding, etc. it’s the only way to go as far as I’m concerned, especially with an older but quite functional radio!
And I’m sure any of the soaring supply distributors would appreciate it as well.
Regards, Mark

[JS[_5_]]

On Friday, September 6, 2019 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
> I’ve purchased three harnesses over the last few years. One made by Goddard was by far the nicest unless you try and get an original factory replacement.
> The factory replacement harnesses for these older radios aren’t readily available, so you might end up with a newer model radio harness and have to
> dead end a number of wires in the harness for functions the older radio doesn’t have.
> The Goddard harness I purchased was well made, Tefvel wiring, each wire and function labeled, appropriate ends on the wiring for shielding, etc. it’s the only way to go as far as I’m concerned, especially with an older but quite functional radio!
> And I’m sure any of the soaring supply distributors would appreciate it as well.
> Regards, Mark

For 90% of pilots, that's the way to go: Buy a harness for the new radio.
And for those thinking about upgrades, the stuff from 30 years ago may not be compatible with new models but some intermediate models may have the same wiring.
I've recently replaced a FSG-71M with an FSG-2T... Plug and Play.
Also replaced an AR4201 with an AR6201... Plug and Play.
Removed another FSG-2T, replaced with XCOM, a bit of work and a microphone change.
Later replaced the XCOM with a TY91. Ordered a harness with the TY91.
Consider the compatibility of microphones in the upgrade. Some radios do not have inputs or preamps for different microphone types. One reason for changes to the wiring harness of newer radios.
The newer ones may have auxiliary audio inputs. Some have separate microphone and PTT connections for each seat. More attention may have been paid to grounding schemes.
There are different pin counts and locking types for D-Sub connectors.
Pretty much replacing anything that doesn't fit in a 57mm cutout is going to take some work. But it'll be worth it!
Jim