twin boom pusher design/prototype for sale on ebay

[rich a.]

Search on ebay for item number : 4533523478 Anyone know the name of
the "famous designer" refered to? The performance claims seem
unrealistic at best. I doubt even the short wing version will reach
237 mph.....unless in a full power straight down dive. Just my
opinion.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 6 Mar 2005 19:49:00 -0800, (rich a.) wrote:

>Search on ebay for item number : 4533523478 Anyone know the name of
>the "famous designer" refered to? The performance claims seem
>unrealistic at best. I doubt even the short wing version will reach
>237 mph.....unless in a full power straight down dive. Just my
>opinion.

The seller says:

"What is being offered for sale here: A completely new MANUFACTURING concept in
aircraft design whose prototype set the Oshkosh air show on its ear in 1987."

I looked through the Oshkosh '87 coverage in SPORT AVIATION and KITPLANES. No
mention of this type of aircraft.

The seller also says:

"Formerly known as the “Jaeger” when first introduced in 1987. "

I searched the EAA CD set for the name. Other than *people* named Jaeger, and
the old "Der Jaeger" biplane, it didn't come up with any new fantastic airplanes
under that name.

So....hmmm, pusher airplane with the pilot in a pod, outlandish performance
claims, production stopped by lawsuits. That "famous designer" must be Jim
Bede.... :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[rich a.]

Good guess Ron.....seems likely.
>
> >Search on ebay for item number : 4533523478 Anyone know the name of
> >the "famous designer" refered to? The performance claims seem
> >unrealistic at best. I doubt even the short wing version will reach
> >237 mph.....unless in a full power straight down dive. Just my
> >opinion.
>
> The seller says:
>
> "What is being offered for sale here: A completely new MANUFACTURING concept in
> aircraft design whose prototype set the Oshkosh air show on its ear in 1987."
>
> I looked through the Oshkosh '87 coverage in SPORT AVIATION and KITPLANES. No
> mention of this type of aircraft.
>
> The seller also says:
>
> "Formerly known as the ?Jaeger? when first introduced in 1987. "
>
> I searched the EAA CD set for the name. Other than *people* named Jaeger, and
> the old "Der Jaeger" biplane, it didn't come up with any new fantastic airplanes
> under that name.
>
> So....hmmm, pusher airplane with the pilot in a pod, outlandish performance
> claims, production stopped by lawsuits. That "famous designer" must be Jim
> Bede.... :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja

[Chuck Slusarczyk]

In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
>The seller also says:
>
>"Formerly known as the “Jaeger” when first introduced in 1987. "
>
>I searched the EAA CD set for the name. Other than *people* named Jaeger, and
>the old "Der Jaeger" biplane, it didn't come up with any new fantastic airplanes
>under that name.
>
>So....hmmm, pusher airplane with the pilot in a pod, outlandish performance
>claims, production stopped by lawsuits. That "famous designer" must be Jim
>Bede.... :-)
I seem to remember somebody taking the BD fuse and wing and building twin booms
for it .Is there a photo on E bay? I thought it was a one off that was at Osh
back then. I think it might have been a cover shot as well on one of the
aviation rags. If it's the one there was some discussion concerning wrinkles on
the wing while in flight and a design change to heavier metal. But then again my
memory ain't what it used to be :-0
See ya

Chuck S

[Doc Font]

In article >,
Chuck Slusarczyk > wrote:

> I seem to remember somebody taking the BD fuse and wing and building twin
> booms
> for it .Is there a photo on E bay? I thought it was a one off that was at Osh
> back then. I
> Chuck S
>

The ebay plane is composite fuselage not aluminum.

Bernadette

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 7 Mar 2005 04:48:40 -0800, (rich a.) wrote:
>In article >, Ron Wanttaja says...
]
>>So....hmmm, pusher airplane with the pilot in a pod, outlandish performance
>>claims, production stopped by lawsuits. That "famous designer" must be Jim
>>Bede.... :-)

] Good guess Ron.....seems likely.

Ummm, well, I *was* just kidding. Bede's airplanes, if nothing else, have a
certain style, and this one doesn't seem to have his touch. The only thing that
might point towards him is the tubular main spar, but a lot of designers were
using those by the mid '80s.

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:47:19 -0800, Richard Riley >
wrote:
>
>I'm pretty sure this one was a Dean Wilson project, back in the days
>when Kitfox split off from Avid.

Could be, I guess. The fuselage shell is a bit reminiscent of that of an Avid
Amphibian. The wing design isn't like Wilson's other projects, though...he
tended to use a tubular leading edge spar. The wing has stamped ribs and is
skinned with aluminum, which is also decidedly non-Avid.

The Ebay write-up also mentions the transcript of a seminar the designer did at
Oshkosh 1987. I went through the forum list that was in the May '87 issue of
SPORT AVIATION, and nothing really popped out. I'm not that "up" on the
designer names, in any case, and there were one or two university professors who
could have been the guy.

Ron Wanttaja

[Bob K.]

Dang, this one is bugging me. It came up for sale about half a year
ago, and at the time I found enough clues to figure out the designer.
But I forgot to add it to my bookmarks, and now I've forgotten how I
found it.

Bob K.

[Bob K.]

Earlier, Richard Riley wrote:

> I'm pretty sure this one was a Dean Wilson project, back in the days
> when Kitfox split off from Avid.

That is supported by some of the scans I just found on this site:

http://www.trilogy-aircraft.com

Bob K.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Doc Font says...

>The ebay plane is composite fuselage not aluminum.

As Rosanne Rosannadana used to say " Oh! That's something entirely different.."
Maybe the seller can shed some light on where some of the articles on the plane
might be located.

Good luck

Chuck S

[Gary Thomas]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
> In article >, Doc Font says...
>
> >The ebay plane is composite fuselage not aluminum.
>
> As Rosanne Rosannadana used to say " Oh! That's something entirely different.."
> Maybe the seller can shed some light on where some of the articles on the plane
> might be located.
>
> Good luck
>
> Chuck S

There is an article in the September 1970 Sport Aviation by Marshall
White titled, Profile of a Homebuilt "Der Jaeger". That seems too early
for the airplane described on ebay but the name is the same. Does
someone have a copy of the magazine to see if it's the same?

Gary Thomas

[Robert Schieck]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> Good luck

With a empty weight of 275 lbs and a wing sq footage of 30.9, I am not
sure luck will be sufficient <g>.

Rob

..ps allow 125 lbs for the 582 and that leaves you 150 lbs for the airframe.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Robert Schieck says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
>> Good luck
>
>With a empty weight of 275 lbs and a wing sq footage of 30.9, I am not
>sure luck will be sufficient <g>.
>
>Rob
>
>.ps allow 125 lbs for the 582 and that leaves you 150 lbs for the airframe.

As the Loving Spoonfull used to sing "Do you believe in Magic?" :-)
Ahhh....the optimism of some designers will be tempered with the first weigh in
of the prototype LOL!!

See ya

Chuck S

[Morgans]

"Robert Schieck" .> wrote

> With a empty weight of 275 lbs and a wing sq footage of 30.9, I am not
> sure luck will be sufficient <g>.
>
> Rob
>
> .ps allow 125 lbs for the 582 and that leaves you 150 lbs for the
airframe.

Hell, that ain't so hard! Just fill the fuselage and wing with helium!
--
Jim in NC

[ower]

"Richard Riley" > skrev i meddelandet
>
> Bob K found this and listed it further down the thread. I was right,
> Dean Wilson, 1987.
>
> http://www.trilogy-aircraft.com

Iwant that model in the upper right corner of the first drawing!

Love You all Owe

[Bob Kuykendall]

Earlier, ower wrote:

> I want that model in the upper right
> corner of the first drawing!

Um, that's the basic Trilogy airplane with the booms and empennage
folded over the top for storage. A pretty neat idea, actually.

BTW, I see that in the last day or so they've added a second page of
photos to the Trilogy site, depicting the tooling and inventory. Based
on what I see there, the whole idea looks a lot better thought out and
more completely executed than I originally thought.

However, I still think that the performance claims suggested on the
eBay page are unrealistic. I think the choice of a thick, sharp-nosed
Wortmann airfoil might not have been a great idea, especially when as
highly loaded as their specs suggest.

Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24

[Roger]

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:04:14 -0500, "Morgans" >
wrote:

>
>"Robert Schieck" .> wrote
>
>> With a empty weight of 275 lbs and a wing sq footage of 30.9, I am not
>> sure luck will be sufficient <g>.

What's wrong with 9# per sq ft?
I'm working on 30# per sq ft.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> .ps allow 125 lbs for the 582 and that leaves you 150 lbs for the
>airframe.
>
>Hell, that ain't so hard! Just fill the fuselage and wing with helium!