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FAA releases final list of NDB approaches considered for cancellation
FAA needs to hear from pilots before April 4
The FAA has finalized the list of NDB approaches it is considering
canceling. Now it's up to pilots to let the agency know if any of these
approaches are still needed.

"The FAA is looking to cancel underused, redundant approach procedures,
not decommission NDBs," said Melissa Rudinger, AOPA vice president of
regulatory policy. "In almost all cases, the runway end is also served
by another ground-based navaid (VOR, LOC, or ILS) and a GPS approach."
(See "FAA to eliminate redundant instrument approaches.")

The revised list now includes 479 approaches under consideration for
cancellation. More on NDB approaches...

[Cockpit Colin]

NDB approaches? Good riddence to them in my opinion!

[Brad Zeigler]

> wrote in message
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> please send com. too
> look under aopa
> FAA releases final list of NDB approaches considered for cancellation
> FAA needs to hear from pilots before April 4
> The FAA has finalized the list of NDB approaches it is considering
> canceling. Now it's up to pilots to let the agency know if any of these
> approaches are still needed.
>
> "The FAA is looking to cancel underused, redundant approach procedures,
> not decommission NDBs," said Melissa Rudinger, AOPA vice president of
> regulatory policy. "In almost all cases, the runway end is also served
> by another ground-based navaid (VOR, LOC, or ILS) and a GPS approach."
> (See "FAA to eliminate redundant instrument approaches.")
>
> The revised list now includes 479 approaches under consideration for
> cancellation. More on NDB approaches...
>

Call me perverse..I like NDB approaches. On the other hand, I understand
their days are numbered. My only concern is that there are plenty of planes
without approach certified IFR GPS that will be left without a backup if the
localizer goes kaput.

Also, it will be more difficult to teach NDB approaches if they're no longer
on the books.

[Doug Carter]

Brad Zeigler wrote:

> Also, it will be more difficult to teach NDB approaches if they're no longer
> on the books.

Kind of like A-N range approaches :)

[Steve.T]

In the computer world, we like redundancy. This way if something we
depend on fails, their is a ready to use backup.

So here we are flying into an airport that has an ILS for runway x. And
there is an NDB approach for that runway. Well, the NDB is unneeded
because there is the ILS. So the FAA has the NDB decomissioned.

So, there's an accident at the airport, some person manages to clip the
Localizer's antenna array, and so the ILS is down for 4 weeks.

But, the FAA decomissioned the NDB, and now runway x can't be used
during IMC.

Then there is the possibility that a VOR can be taken out of service
for some strange reason that will last for weeks. But because the NDB
is redundant...

Then if you happen to be a pilot that flies outside of the USofA, you
may find that NDBs are quite common and very cheap to maintain
compaired to a VOR and extremely cheap compaired to an ILS.

And just how easy is it to lose GPS functionality? How easy is it to
lose RAIM? In a time of war, we will lose RAIM. But an NDB or a VOR?

If we are at war, as the Government keeps telling us, then we need to
think of backup options, not killing off the one option that is cheap.
And because it is an NDB, it is not all that accurate at distance! No
more so than your local AM station.

Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

[BTIZ]

> Call me perverse..I like NDB approaches. On the other hand, I understand
> their days are numbered. My only concern is that there are plenty of
> planes without approach certified IFR GPS that will be left without a
> backup if the localizer goes kaput.
>
> Also, it will be more difficult to teach NDB approaches if they're no
> longer on the books.

Well.. if the localizer goes kaput... then it is the VOR backup.. but if
it's my receiver that has gone kaput.. then its over to the military base
for a radar directed approach...

we have no NDB outer marker on any ILS in the valley.. for well over 100
miles in the area.. maybe 150 miles..

BT

[David Cartwright]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:LL9Xd.70090$Tt.44632@fed1read05...
> Well.. if the localizer goes kaput... then it is the VOR backup.. but if
> it's my receiver that has gone kaput.. then its over to the military base
> for a radar directed approach...

Assuming you mean SAR (talkdown) approaches, it's not just the military
airfields that can do those over here. I did one during my IMC rating
training at Norwich airport. It was immense fun, actually, and the
controller told me later that he enjoys doing them for training flights as
it's excellent practice for the few real ones he has to do.

D.

[Roger]

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:15:04 +0000 (UTC), "David Cartwright"
> wrote:

>"BTIZ" > wrote in message
>news:LL9Xd.70090$Tt.44632@fed1read05...
>> Well.. if the localizer goes kaput... then it is the VOR backup.. but if
>> it's my receiver that has gone kaput.. then its over to the military base
>> for a radar directed approach...
>
>Assuming you mean SAR (talkdown) approaches, it's not just the military
>airfields that can do those over here. I did one during my IMC rating
>training at Norwich airport. It was immense fun, actually, and the
>controller told me later that he enjoys doing them for training flights as
>it's excellent practice for the few real ones he has to do.


On Several occasions I've had MBS approach ask me if I'd be willing to
do a PAR for a new, or traineee controller.
They are harder to do when you can see outside as you tend to fly the
thing instead of doing what the controller is telling you.<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


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