Cross Country Definition

[f.blair]

I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world flight.
Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.

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Huh?! Am I missing something here? I've logged every flight that took
me more than two thermals away from where I took off as a "cross
country flight", no matter where I landed.

[Charles Yeates]

f.blair wrote:
>
> Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
> can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.
>
>
You jest, I know -- he used GPS recorder and waypoints, just like us
--
Charles Yeates

Swidnik PW-6U & PW-5
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/yeatesc/world.html

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But I guess the powered "rules" are different...

[f.blair]

Someone had posted that for a flight to be considered cross country by the
FAA, the flight had to terminate at an airport at least 50 miles from the
take off. I did not check the regs, just thought it was an interesting view
of a spectacular flight, whether it was a cross country or not.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> But I guess the powered "rules" are different...
>

[Bruce Hoult]

In article et>,
"f.blair" > wrote:

> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world flight.
> Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
> can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.

Under powered aircraft rules, that's true.

Strange, isn't it?

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Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

[Bruce Hoult]

In article om>,
wrote:

> Huh?! Am I missing something here? I've logged every flight that took
> me more than two thermals away from where I took off as a "cross
> country flight", no matter where I landed.

In a glider, not in a powered aircraft.

This is the rule that makes most glider cross-country experience not
count towards powered license requirements.

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Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

[BTIZ]

come on guys... the "rules defining cross country and logging time there of"
are no different for power or glider...

Cross country time logged for the purpose of meeting the requirements
towards a pilot rating, a touch down must occur at a point at least 50nm
from where you started, does not say flight has to terminate.. There is no
accumulated cross country time requirement for glider ratings.

You can LOG cross country as soon as you take off and go no where... it just
don't count for beans... I know, I've been following people around the
traffic pattern so far out that I felt I could have logged cross country
time...

Based on the 50nm rule, there is an exception written to cover military
training flights where the flight would take off and land at the same
location, but in the intervening time of 1 to a dozen hours, could have
crisscrossed the entire country (yes I've done that more than a few times)..
to count as cross country. (61.1(b) (3)) and the exemption for the military
pilot (61.1(b)(3)(vii))

Sorry, but there is no exception for the round robin glider pilot.

BT

"Bruce Hoult" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "f.blair" > wrote:
>
>> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world
>> flight.
>> Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
>> can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.
>
> Under powered aircraft rules, that's true.
>
> Strange, isn't it?
>
> --
> Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
> Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

[J.A.M.]

I think Cross country (or distance flight) is whatever takes you out of
local gliding range of your home airport... That is, when you need to take a
thermal, get some heigh, or you land out.

"f.blair" > escribió en el mensaje
ink.net...
> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world
flight.
> Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
> can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.
>
>

[Marian Aldenhövel]

Hi,

> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world flight.
> Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took off from, he
> can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.

Was that the same website that said he could log an outside loop for the
flight?

Ciao, MM
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ist er weg."

[Mike the Strike]

Bruce:

You're not exactly right regarding glider cross-country time. In the
USA, the FAA on form 8710 (Airman Certificate or Rating Application)
asks for (amongst other things) Cross Country Time (Instruction, solo
and PIC). My local district office agreed that the definition given
for airplanes was not applicable to this form. They also confirmed
that the definition for glider cross-country time is not given in any
FAA documentation and that I should use the "conventional gliding
community definition of flight time beyond gliding distance of the home
field".

You can't use this time for any rating where a cross-country flight
requires a landing. However, if you do land more than 50 miles from
home, you can use this logged glider time for some airplane ratings.

We discussed this not long ago on RAS, as I remember.

Mike

ASW 20 WA

[BTIZ]

"Mike the Strike" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Bruce:
>
> You're not exactly right regarding glider cross-country time. In the
> USA, the FAA on form 8710 (Airman Certificate or Rating Application)
> asks for (amongst other things) Cross Country Time (Instruction, solo
> and PIC). My local district office agreed that the definition given

The only reason for the "logging of cross country" time for gliders on the
Form.. so if you ever loose a log book, you can at least try to rebuild from
the last form filed.

Glider ratings do not require accumulated cross country time, as airplane
ratings do.

Also, it is just a place to collect data points for their statistics of what
type of flying activity is occurring.

BT

[BTIZ]

"J.A.M." > wrote in message
...
>I think Cross country (or distance flight) is whatever takes you out of
> local gliding range of your home airport... That is, when you need to take
> a
> thermal, get some heigh, or you land out.
>

What you think is not according to hoyle, IAW with US 14CFR

BT

[Shawn]

Marian Aldenhövel wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world
>> flight. Just think, since he landed at the same airport that he took
>> off from, he can't log that flight as 'cross country flight'.
>
>
> Was that the same website that said he could log an outside loop for the
> flight?


LOL

[The Green Troll]

"f.blair" > wrote in message et>...
> I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world flight.

He didn't go around the world, only around the north end, a shorter
distance. He never crossed the equator (among great circles).

-- Plane Jain <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/geography>

[Bruce Hoult]

In article >,
(The Green Troll) wrote:

> "f.blair" > wrote in message
> et>...
> > I saw a posting on a web site about Steve Fossett's around the world
> > flight.
>
> He didn't go around the world, only around the north end, a shorter
> distance. He never crossed the equator (among great circles).

He used what the FAI definition has *always* been. Yeah, so it would be
nice if the definition involved flying over at least one pair of points
that are the opposite each other, but it's not.

btw there is an upcoming atempt to fly around the world non-stop using
solar energy. The plans depend on being able to fly through the night
on stored energy. They've figured that batteries will be good enough in
2009.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/solar_impulse.htm

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Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
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[The Green Troll]

Bruce Hoult > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (The Green Troll) wrote:
> > He didn't go around the world, only around the north end, a shorter
> > distance. He never crossed the equator (among great circles).
>
> He used what the FAI definition has *always* been. Yeah, so it would be
> nice if the definition involved flying over at least one pair of points
> that are the opposite each other, but it's not.

The FAI is no authority on geometry. I hope some pilot defies that
warped pretense by flying over both poles.

-- Lead Baron <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/geography>