Sounded like a crazy one at JFK last night...

[John Kirksey]

I was working late last night and decided to tune into JFK Tower/Ground on
liveatc.net. I don't know what it looked like up that way last night, but it
must have been pretty crappy out. In addition to the wind shear - 35 gusting
47, +/20 on final - I tuned in right after an airliner turned off 31L
between taxiways, getting stuck half on and half off the runway. The viz
must have been bad, because the tower couldn't see where the plane was, and,
after sending several planes around (which had to suck, because the line of
landing planes was looooooong...), eventually closed 31L for a time.

I was also "watching" the Passur AirportMonitor for JFK at the time and saw
several bizjets that had their destination as TEB landing at JFK, so either
TEB was closed or they just couldn't make it in there.

Nights like that make my cube look pretty good after all...

John K.
Student Pilot (for at least another week)

[Jay Honeck]

> Nights like that make my cube look pretty good after all...

Yep. When it's dark, the clag is low, and the wind is howling, and all I
hear on the scanner is heavy metal, I thank my lucky stars that I'm sitting
in my lobby, all safe and warm.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Marco Leon]

I was listening too. the Ground controller was a real pro. He was calm,
clear and very patient with all the snafus.

Also, there was a King Air with an emergency on Approach frequencies. He
lost his instruments and was on a no-gyro vectors. Wow, I couldn't imagine
flying in that crap (PIREPs of SEVERE turbulence below 800 ft by...a B757!)
with full instruments but with partial panel--damn!

Liveatc.net has it in its archives: Mar 8, 1900-1930 JFK APP/DEP
The aircraft tail number was N277GE. At about 07:55 the King Air asks what
altitude he was at. So apparently, his altimeter was inop. He was above the
clouds at least. At about 09:05, the ground controller confirms that they
have an emergency in progress for RWY31R to another aircraft saying that he
was in a "dire situation." Interesting listen if anyone has the time.
Everyting turned out OK.

Marco Leon


"John Kirksey" > wrote in message
news:INCXd.32269$uc.31534@trnddc09...
> I was working late last night and decided to tune into JFK Tower/Ground on
> liveatc.net. I don't know what it looked like up that way last night, but
it
> must have been pretty crappy out. In addition to the wind shear - 35
gusting
> 47, +/20 on final - I tuned in right after an airliner turned off 31L
> between taxiways, getting stuck half on and half off the runway. The viz
> must have been bad, because the tower couldn't see where the plane was,
and,
> after sending several planes around (which had to suck, because the line
of
> landing planes was looooooong...), eventually closed 31L for a time.
>
> I was also "watching" the Passur AirportMonitor for JFK at the time and
saw
> several bizjets that had their destination as TEB landing at JFK, so
either
> TEB was closed or they just couldn't make it in there.
>
> Nights like that make my cube look pretty good after all...
>
> John K.
> Student Pilot (for at least another week)
>
>



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[John Kirksey]

"Marco Leon" <mmleon(at)yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
> I was listening too. the Ground controller was a real pro. He was calm,
> clear and very patient with all the snafus.
>
> Also, there was a King Air with an emergency on Approach frequencies. He
> lost his instruments and was on a no-gyro vectors. Wow, I couldn't imagine
> flying in that crap (PIREPs of SEVERE turbulence below 800 ft by...a
B757!)
> with full instruments but with partial panel--damn!
>

I remember hearing him say he had a developing emergency, but I didn't catch
anything else after that. That was about the time he was dealing with that
Iberia A340 that didn't know where he was going, that was a trip.

I picked it up at 6pm EST. METARs from 5pm-6pm last night - no thanks:


KJFK 082251Z 30037G42KT 2SM -SN BLSN FEW007 OVC017 M06/M09 A2917 RMK AO2 PK
WND 31042/2250 SLP877 P0000 T10561094 $
KJFK 082227Z 31025G37KT 1 1/2SM -SN BLSN FEW007 BKN014 OVC027 M06/M08 A2916
RMK AO2 PK WND 31038/2214 P0000 $
KJFK 082215Z 31031G38KT 3/4SM -SN BLSN BKN008 OVC020 M06/M08 A2916 RMK AO2
PK WND 31038/2214 SFC VIS 1 P0000 $

[George Patterson]

John Kirksey wrote:
>
> I was working late last night and decided to tune into JFK Tower/Ground on
> liveatc.net. I don't know what it looked like up that way last night, but it
> must have been pretty crappy out.

I'm about 35 miles to the southeast. It started snowing early in the afternoon
with the temperature around freezing. By 8:00, the temperature was around 20
degrees and the snow had pretty much stopped. With that kind of temperature
drop, much of the snow was actually tiny ice crystals. By around 4:00, a crust
had formed on what snow was already on the ground. The wind kept a lot of the
stuff airborne and the gusts would form clouds of snow.

From my kitchen, it was interesting to watch the snow traveling *up* during wind
shifts. When I was out walking the dog around 8:30, visibility went to about 50'
during a few of the gusts.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[Colin W Kingsbury]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> John Kirksey wrote:
> >
> > I was working late last night and decided to tune into JFK Tower/Ground
on
> > liveatc.net. I don't know what it looked like up that way last night,
but it
> > must have been pretty crappy out.
>
> I'm about 35 miles to the southeast. It started snowing early in the
afternoon
> with the temperature around freezing. By 8:00, the temperature was around
20
> degrees and the snow had pretty much stopped. With that kind of
temperature
> drop, much of the snow was actually tiny ice crystals. By around 4:00, a
crust
> had formed on what snow was already on the ground. The wind kept a lot of
the
> stuff airborne and the gusts would form clouds of snow.

I think we got it worse up in Boston. In the late afternoon the temperature
dropped about 20 degrees in less than an hour, and the rain we'd been
getting all day froze solid. By 7pm there were 2-3 inches of wet snow on top
of 1/4" of hard ice and of course not a plow or sander in sight. Logan was
shut down for a while.

-cwk.

[Bob Noel]

In article et>,
"Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote:

>
> I think we got it worse up in Boston. In the late afternoon the temperature
> dropped about 20 degrees in less than an hour, and the rain we'd been
> getting all day froze solid. By 7pm there were 2-3 inches of wet snow on top
> of 1/4" of hard ice and of course not a plow or sander in sight. Logan was
> shut down for a while.

Some recent winds for KBOS (gusts still >30 mph)
02:54 W 31 G 41
01:54 W 31 G 40
00:54 W 30 G 41
23:54 W 33 G 44
22:54 W 28 G 45
21:54 NW 37 G 48
20:54 NW 29 G 44
19:54 NW 31 G 43

--
Bob Noel
looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Joe Johnson]

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
...

....snip...
>
> I'm about 35 miles to the southeast.
>
....snip...

Of JFK? Isn't that in the ocean?

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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John Kirksey > wrote:
> I was working late last night and decided to tune into JFK Tower/Ground on
> liveatc.net. I don't know what it looked like up that way last night, but it
> must have been pretty crappy out. In addition to the wind shear - 35 gusting
> 47, +/20 on final - I tuned in right after an airliner turned off 31L
> between taxiways, getting stuck half on and half off the runway. The viz
> must have been bad, because the tower couldn't see where the plane was, and,
> after sending several planes around (which had to suck, because the line of
> landing planes was looooooong...), eventually closed 31L for a time.
>
> I was also "watching" the Passur AirportMonitor for JFK at the time and saw
> several bizjets that had their destination as TEB landing at JFK, so either
> TEB was closed or they just couldn't make it in there.

You missed the better part of it. 31L/R were only being used at
the time, not just because of the winds, but because the taxiway lights
were also out of service on the 4s/22s. Traffic either had to hold for
ages on end, or divert. It wasn't a fun night then. Search the archives
at liveatc.net for the feed. The guy that runs it is a friend of mine.

BL.
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[George Patterson]

Joe Johnson wrote:
>
> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> ...snip...
> >
> > I'm about 35 miles to the southeast.
> >
> ...snip...
>
> Of JFK? Isn't that in the ocean?

True. Should've been southwest.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[NW_PILOT]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:VXDXd.49409$r55.40210@attbi_s52...
> > Nights like that make my cube look pretty good after all...
>
> Yep. When it's dark, the clag is low, and the wind is howling, and all I
> hear on the scanner is heavy metal, I thank my lucky stars that I'm
sitting
> in my lobby, all safe and warm.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Hey, Jay

Your hotel have weekly rates?

[Jay Honeck]

> Hey, Jay
>
> Your hotel have weekly rates?

Sure. Just whack 20% of the daily rate for any stay of 7 days or longer.

Better yet, knock 60% off our daily rates for any stay of 30 days or longer.
You'll be rubbing elbows with some university professors, a couple of
traveling nurses, and a few families waiting for their houses to be
finished.

Why do you ask?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:bpZXd.113143$tl3.30393@attbi_s02...
>> Hey, Jay
>>
>> Your hotel have weekly rates?
>
> Sure. Just whack 20% of the daily rate for any stay of 7 days or longer.
>
> Better yet, knock 60% off our daily rates for any stay of 30 days or
> longer. You'll be rubbing elbows with some university professors, a couple
> of traveling nurses, and a few families waiting for their houses to be
> finished.
>
> Why do you ask?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

At least he didn't ask for hourly rates.

[George Patterson]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
> At least he didn't ask for hourly rates.

The former owners offered those. :-)

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[Cub Driver]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:07:51 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Better yet, knock 60% off our daily rates for any stay of 30 days or longer.

Not bad! It's actually cheaper to stay for a month than for a
fortnight.

If the professor stays for a year, you must wind up paying him!


-- all the best, Dan Ford

email (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
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[Jay Honeck]

> Not bad! It's actually cheaper to stay for a month than for a
> fortnight.

Yep. The break-even point is about 13 days. It's mostly because the state
doesn't require that we charge hotel/motel or sales tax on stays of 30 days
or longer. That's a savings of 12%!

> If the professor stays for a year, you must wind up paying him!

Nah. I gave him a little break -- but not much!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Colin W Kingsbury]

Bleep that. I was on Storrow Drive at 8pm and it still hadn't seen either a
plow or sander. Snow removal in the city this year has been abominable. So
much for the Great Menino, not that anyone challenges him and lives to tell
the tale these days.

-cwk.

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article et>,
> "Colin W Kingsbury" > wrote:
>
> >
> > I think we got it worse up in Boston. In the late afternoon the
temperature
> > dropped about 20 degrees in less than an hour, and the rain we'd been
> > getting all day froze solid. By 7pm there were 2-3 inches of wet snow on
top
> > of 1/4" of hard ice and of course not a plow or sander in sight. Logan
was
> > shut down for a while.
>
> Some recent winds for KBOS (gusts still >30 mph)
> 02:54 W 31 G 41
> 01:54 W 31 G 40
> 00:54 W 30 G 41
> 23:54 W 33 G 44
> 22:54 W 28 G 45
> 21:54 NW 37 G 48
> 20:54 NW 29 G 44
> 19:54 NW 31 G 43
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> looking for a sig the lawyers will like

[Jose]

> Yep. The break-even point is about 13 days. It's mostly because the state
> doesn't require that we charge hotel/motel or sales tax on stays of 30 days
> or longer.

So what happens if I pay for a month, and leave after fifteen days?

Jose
--
Math is a game. The object of the game is to figure out the rules.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jay Honeck]

> So what happens if I pay for a month, and leave after fifteen days?

Fine by me. ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave S]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

>
>
> At least he didn't ask for hourly rates.
>
>
Hey.. thats MY line!!
Dave

[Dave S]

Martin Hotze wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
>>a couple of
>>traveling nurses,
>
>
> [x] send pics!
>
> #m

Hey Martin..

I'm an ICU nurse, and I've seriously considered the whole travel nursing
thing. Does that mean you want MY pic too?

Dave

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm an ICU nurse, and I've seriously considered the whole travel nursing
> thing.

Man, it's very lucrative. If you like visiting different parts of the
country, travelers sure can make a ton of money.

Of course, they have more reasons to "burn out" than even a "regular" nurse
has, if that's possible. Our new massage therapist is an R.N. that we met a
couple of years ago when she was staying with us as a traveler. The stress
of nursing has her starting a new career as an M.T. while she still does the
nurse gig on weekends only.

Amazingly, she can make enough to live comfortably working just two days per
week.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Martin Hotze]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:39:43 GMT, Dave S wrote:

>>>a couple of
>>>traveling nurses,
>>
>> [x] send pics!
>>
>> #m
>
>Hey Martin..
>
>I'm an ICU nurse, and I've seriously considered the whole travel nursing
>thing. Does that mean you want MY pic too?

*hehe* .. that's the bad thing that there is no different word for a male
and a female nurse (there are differences in the german language) in
english.

I've tried to understand the "how to become a nurse" with all the courses
and test you need (there are, IIRC, state by state differences) in the US
(my wife is a nurse, that's why).

well, you might send a pic, I might forward it to my wife to have her
opinion. *lol*

>Dave

#m

--
<http://www.terranova.net/content/images/goering.jpg>

[Dave S]

>
> I've tried to understand the "how to become a nurse" with all the courses
> and test you need (there are, IIRC, state by state differences) in the US
> (my wife is a nurse, that's why).
>
> #m
>

3 ways: Diplomate of Nursing - 3 years or so of On-The-Job training..
rarely done in the US anymore..
Associates Degree of Nursing - 2 year college degree (after pre-reqs)
Bachelors Degree of Nursing - 4 year college degree.

At the bedside (traditional nursing work) all three have similar earning
potential. The benefits are that the better educated have more
opportunites to advance away from the bedside.

There is ONE exam that is the same nationwide. Boards are boards are
boards. We take them at a computerized testing center now. If you move
from state to state, you may need to apply/pay for a new license but no
new testing. THere is a multistate "compact" that allows nurses to have
one state in the group as their home base without having to get a new
license in other "compact states"

Nursing is also one of the few fields that pay (signifigcantly) more for
being less than full time. I chose it primarily because I was tired of
being a poor paycheck to paycheck paramedic. Loved the job. Hated having
to work 70 hours a week to survive and have a little spending money.

I make 2-3 times more an hour than I did as a veteran paramedic.. and
have the time (and money) to do things like.. fly planes.. take
vacations.. eat out at nice restaurants.. and can be comfortable working
36 hrs/week.

Anyways... WAY OT.. response to Martin and any other interested
parties... I now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup.

Dave

[Martin Hotze]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:31:03 GMT, Dave S wrote:

>> I've tried to understand the "how to become a nurse" with all the courses
>> and test you need (there are, IIRC, state by state differences) in the US
>> (my wife is a nurse, that's why).
>>
>> #m
>>
>
>3 ways: Diplomate of Nursing - 3 years or so of On-The-Job training..
>rarely done in the US anymore..
>Associates Degree of Nursing - 2 year college degree (after pre-reqs)
>Bachelors Degree of Nursing - 4 year college degree.

OK.
is there some type of acknoledgement for foreign degrees? I've read that
you are 'importing' many nurses from abroad.
the TOEFL test comes to mind, but this one only covers language skills.

>At the bedside (traditional nursing work) all three have similar earning
>potential. The benefits are that the better educated have more
>opportunites to advance away from the bedside.

ah, ok. I see. but this requires a traditional US type of schooling, this
is not the way you can go beeing from outside of the system.

aren't nurses in the US very specialised? here our nurses aren't that
specialised to the area they are working in, so they can rather easy change
from one department to another.

>There is ONE exam that is the same nationwide. Boards are boards are
>boards. We take them at a computerized testing center now. If you move

a, computer tests. this is good.

>from state to state, you may need to apply/pay for a new license but no
>new testing. THere is a multistate "compact" that allows nurses to have
>one state in the group as their home base without having to get a new
>license in other "compact states"

ah yes. I now remember reading about that some time back.

>Nursing is also one of the few fields that pay (signifigcantly) more for
>being less than full time. I chose it primarily because I was tired of
>being a poor paycheck to paycheck paramedic. Loved the job. Hated having
>to work 70 hours a week to survive and have a little spending money.

yes, I see that 'loud and clear' (to be somewhat OnT *g*). My wife is now a
nurse for more than 10 years and she is now boss of the station she is
working at.
Compared to what I am making with my internet business ....

>I make 2-3 times more an hour than I did as a veteran paramedic.. and
>have the time (and money) to do things like.. fly planes.. take
>vacations.. eat out at nice restaurants.. and can be comfortable working
>36 hrs/week.

but is a nurse still not really socially that well recognized and honored,
esp. on your side of the pond? or has the situation turned better in the
last couple of years?

>Dave

#m

--
<http://www.terranova.net/content/images/goering.jpg>

[Marco Leon]

My younger brother transitioned to a visiting nurse and more than doubled
his salary. His territory is in Manhattan, NYC so he literally walks to each
of his patients then hops on the train home. I'd look into it.

Marco Leon


"Dave S" > wrote in message
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>
>
>>
> I'm an ICU nurse, and I've seriously considered the whole travel nursing
> thing. Does that mean you want MY pic too?
>
> Dave
>