Updating Avionics - How I Remember What's What!

[John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net]

Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?

Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!

I think that the answer is in several parts;

- There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
- What is the URL to find these much needed files?
- Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
- There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
- While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
- Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
- And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!

HELP!

As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.

BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/

Comments welcome.

Best of Luck,
John OHM Ω

[Brian[_1_]]

Great Idea, Thanks for sharing

Brian

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2019 08:13:27 -0700, John DeRosa OHM Ω
http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:

> As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept
> my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the
> tricks-of-the-trade.
>
I've done more or less the same as you, except that I keep URLs,
reminders, etc in a set of locally held web pages rather spreadsheets.

The reasons for writing a set of reference web pages are:

- they are easily created with your favourite text editor, regardless of
whether its WordPad, gedit or even (shock-horror) vi or emacs), and it
doesn't matter which spreadsheet program or web browser you use:
plain-text web pages can be displayed with any browser.

- prefer web pages to bookmarks because:
(a) bookmarks are not generally sharable with a different web browser
(b) very few web browsers let bookmarks hold more than a URL and
page or website name

- self-created web pages can hold as much text and or reminders as you
want and are easily organised into paragraphs, bullet lists, numbered
lists and pictures. In addition you get to organise the page by adding
headings and can include links to other local pages and pictures as
well as to websites.

If this sounds like a good way for you to go, I can thoroughly recommend
picking up a a copy of Elizabeth Castro's book

"HTML, XHTML, and CSS, Sixth Edition".

Its very readable and has lots of useful examples as well well-organised
reference material. Its cross-referencing and indexes make finding stuff
very easy too. I have the 5th edition.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[Tim Taylor]

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 9:13:31 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
>
> Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
>
> I think that the answer is in several parts;
>
> - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
>
> HELP!
>
> As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
>
> BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Best of Luck,
> John OHM Ω

Thanks John!

I didn't use a spreadsheet, but I did create a word processing document that has a full set of Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's) for each update. This includes the steps involved and links to relevant webpages for updates.. An import last page for the document is the date of the last update and current versions you have. This helps to check where you are each year.

Once a year is too far apart to remember all the steps involved in all the software and firmware updates without good documentation.

[Matt Herron Jr.]

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
>
> Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
>
> I think that the answer is in several parts;
>
> - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
>
> HELP!
>
> As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
>
> BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Best of Luck,
> John OHM Ω

Thanks John! I will definitely build on your template. I have been looking for a way to organize this mess. BTW, how do you like your TrafficView 57? I have one as well. I like the functionality, but I find the set too small for my 60 year old eyes to see. I suggested to LXnav to make text (mostly the bottom lines) bigger/bolder.

Matt

[2G]

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
>
> Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
>
> I think that the answer is in several parts;
>
> - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
>
> HELP!
>
> As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
>
> BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Best of Luck,
> John OHM Ω

Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.

I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.

Tom

[BobWa43]

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 1:47:17 PM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 9:13:31 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> >
> > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> >
> > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> >
> > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> >
> > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> >
> > Comments welcome.
> >
> > Best of Luck,
> > John OHM Ω
>
> Thanks John!
>
> I didn't use a spreadsheet, but I did create a word processing document that has a full set of Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's) for each update.. This includes the steps involved and links to relevant webpages for updates. An import last page for the document is the date of the last update and current versions you have. This helps to check where you are each year.
>
> Once a year is too far apart to remember all the steps involved in all the software and firmware updates without good documentation.

Would it be possible for you to post a copy of your word processing document?

[Tom BravoMike]

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:47:35 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> >
> > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> >
> > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> >
> > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> >
> > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> >
> > Comments welcome.
> >
> > Best of Luck,
> > John OHM Ω
>
> Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
>
> I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
>
> Tom

Any pictures, please?

[Tim Taylor]

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 7:34:49 AM UTC-7, BobWa43 wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 1:47:17 PM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 9:13:31 AM UTC-6, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> > >
> > > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> > >
> > > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> > >
> > > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> > >
> > > HELP!
> > >
> > > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> > >
> > > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> > >
> > > Comments welcome.
> > >
> > > Best of Luck,
> > > John OHM Ω
> >
> > Thanks John!
> >
> > I didn't use a spreadsheet, but I did create a word processing document that has a full set of Standard Operating Procedures (SOP's) for each update. This includes the steps involved and links to relevant webpages for updates. An import last page for the document is the date of the last update and current versions you have. This helps to check where you are each year.
> >
> > Once a year is too far apart to remember all the steps involved in all the software and firmware updates without good documentation.
>
> Would it be possible for you to post a copy of your word processing document?

Send me an e-mail at ttaylor07 at gmail

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 9:47:35 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> >
> > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> >
> > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> >
> > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> >
> > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> >
> > Comments welcome.
> >
> > Best of Luck,
> > John OHM Ω
>
> Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
>
> I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
>
> Tom

What Garmin product are you using for PFD? Do you not even have an airspeed steam gauge ?

[2G]

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 7:31:22 AM UTC-8, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:47:35 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> > >
> > > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> > >
> > > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> > >
> > > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> > >
> > > HELP!
> > >
> > > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> > >
> > > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> > >
> > > Comments welcome.
> > >
> > > Best of Luck,
> > > John OHM Ω
> >
> > Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop.. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
> >
> > I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Any pictures, please?

Here you go:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181

Tom

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

2G wrote on 12/13/2019 8:11 AM:

>>> Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop.. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
>>>
>>> I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> Any pictures, please?
>
> Here you go:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181

Looks different! Is the lower vario (S8?) operating independently of the 9070,
what do you usually have displayed on it, and why is it in m/s?

Are you using ADSB-in for anything?

Can you control the radio from the 9070?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 8:11:31 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 7:31:22 AM UTC-8, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:47:35 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > > > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> > > >
> > > > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> > > >
> > > > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> > > >
> > > > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > > > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > > > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > > > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > > > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > > > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > > > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> > > >
> > > > HELP!
> > > >
> > > > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> > > >
> > > > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> > > >
> > > > Comments welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Best of Luck,
> > > > John OHM Ω
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
> > >
> > > I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
> > >
> > > Tom
> >
> > Any pictures, please?
>
> Here you go:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181
>
> Tom

Thank you, very cool.

[Tom BravoMike]

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 10:11:31 AM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 7:31:22 AM UTC-8, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:47:35 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 8:13:31 AM UTC-7, John DeRosa OHM Ω http://aviation.derosaweb.net wrote:
> > > > Updating files/firmware on my avionics should be easy. Then why is it so hard?
> > > >
> > > > Heck, I am an electrical engineer. I have been around computers since high school (early 70's). I was in Information Technology for MANY years and still do this on a volunteer basis. I should be able to handle this!
> > > >
> > > > I think that the answer is in several parts;
> > > >
> > > > - There are multiple files for each device to upload/download; firmware, waypoint databases, FLARM databases, obstacle databases, SUA databases, IGC files, etc, etc.
> > > > - What is the URL to find these much needed files?
> > > > - Each device seems to need its own specifically formatted file - just look at the turnpoint database! Some instruments are mentioned there by name but others use a "generic" format of a file - but which one to use?
> > > > - There are multiple methods to upload/download. With a cable? Via a memory stick? Then where does the file go on the stick (root or a folder)? Does the install happen when the device is booted or when the device is already on? Does the install happen automatically or do you have to manually do something?
> > > > - While the avionics manufacturers create wonderful devices it is a fact of life that their manuals seem woefully inadequate for the task at hand and/or become obsolete from lack of updating.
> > > > - Is my recorder's re-calibration due so I don't miss getting credit for my epic flight?
> > > > - And critically, I only perform this task about once a year and I FORGET the magic steps of what to do!
> > > >
> > > > HELP!
> > > >
> > > > As my own panel evolved from "steam gauges" to a "glass cockpit" I kept my sanity by creating a spreadsheet of the how-tos, where-froms and the tricks-of-the-trade.
> > > >
> > > > BOTTOM LINE: If you are interested in using my spreadsheet as a template for your own cockpit it can be found here => http://aviation.derosaweb.net/forms/
> > > >
> > > > Comments welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Best of Luck,
> > > > John OHM Ω
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
> > >
> > > I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
> > >
> > > Tom
> >
> > Any pictures, please?
>
> Here you go:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181
>
> Tom

Nice, thanks. What I especially like is the altitude flown/shown. Good for you!

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Tom BravoMike wrote on 12/13/2019 2:23 PM:
>>> Any pictures, please?
>> Here you go:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181
>>
>> Tom
> Nice, thanks. What I especially like is the altitude flown/shown. Good for you!

What is altitude flown/shown, and where is it in the picture?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Tom BravoMike]

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 5:29:35 PM UTC-6, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Tom BravoMike wrote on 12/13/2019 2:23 PM:
> >>> Any pictures, please?
> >> Here you go:
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181
> >>
> >> Tom
> > Nice, thanks. What I especially like is the altitude flown/shown. Good for you!
>
> What is altitude flown/shown, and where is it in the picture?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

I don't care whether it's 10200 - 10357 or 10364 ft (GPS? pressure? - don't know what the settings are), but anything above 7-8k ft is for us flying in the Midwest something to dream about.

[2G]

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 11:24:51 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> 2G wrote on 12/13/2019 8:11 AM:
>
> >>> Yeah, it's a quagmire out there, for sure. I went to a full glass cockpit in my new ASH31Mi. I simplified the problem by sticking to three instrument manufacturers: LXNAV, Garmin and Trig. LXNAV provided the glide computer (LX9070), which has a good user's group. I will add their wi-fi adapter next year so I don't have to deal with SD cards. Garmin provided the PFD (primary flight display), which replaced all of the old steam gauges. Trig provided the radio and transponder, and solved the ADS-B out issue. I also had Schleicher install all of the instruments, and they did a GREAT job. This isn't an option for you, so it is either a DYI job or find an avionics shop.. I also switched to LFP batteries with a total of 32 AHr of capacity. This is a MUST for a glass cockpit as my typical current draw is 1.9 A. BTW, I also have PowerFlarm, but I don't call that an instrument.
> >>>
> >>> I have flown with this setup for an entire season and LOVE IT! About the only thing I might add is a dedicated Flarm display.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>
> >> Any pictures, please?
> >
> > Here you go:
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/76597256@N04/sets/72157712179805181
>
> Looks different! Is the lower vario (S8?) operating independently of the 9070,
> what do you usually have displayed on it, and why is it in m/s?
>
> Are you using ADSB-in for anything?
>
> Can you control the radio from the 9070?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.

Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).

I don't have ADS-B In.

Tom

[Dan Marotta]

On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
>
> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
>
> I don't have ADS-B In.
>
> Tom
Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?Â*
What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?

How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
--
Dan, 5J

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
>
>
> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
>>
>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the
>> 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240 bridge
>> (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
>>
>> I don't have ADS-B In.
>>
>> Tom
> Really???* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31? What's $240
> as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>
> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D

I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth it; also,
getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[[email protected]]

I get all that from Foreflight on my iphone

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> >
> > Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> >
> > I don't have ADS-B In.
> >
> > Tom
> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?Â*
> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>
> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> --
> Dan, 5J

One of my favorites was about 2015 someone equipping a brand-new glider was complaining about the Mark IV being a dollar or two more expensive from a reseller than direct from Bumper. Sheesh

[2G]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> >
> > Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> >
> > I don't have ADS-B In.
> >
> > Tom
> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?Â*
> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>
> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> --
> Dan, 5J

$240 IS $240, not zero. I wasn't even aware of the option when I ordered the 31, as was the case with the Wi-Fi option. I have the entire winter to make up my mind. All that it does is allow you to set and select frequencies from the 9070 instead of the TY91, not a very compelling capability at the end of the day.

Tom

[Dan Marotta]

Me, too!Â* What Eric said.

On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
>>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
>>>
>>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
>>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
>>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
>>>
>>> I don't have ADS-B In.
>>>
>>> Tom
>> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
>> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>>
>> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
>
> I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
>

--
Dan, 5J

[2G]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
>
> On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> >>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> >>>
> >>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
> >>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
> >>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> >>>
> >>> I don't have ADS-B In.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
> >> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
> >>
> >> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> >
> > I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> > it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
> >
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).

Tom

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

2G wrote on 12/14/2019 11:14 AM:
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
>>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
>>>
>>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved to the
>>> 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that requires a $240
>>> bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
>>>
>>> I don't have ADS-B In.
>>>
>>> Tom
>> Really??? How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31? What's
>> $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>>
>> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D -- Dan,
>> 5J
>
> $240 IS $240, not zero. I wasn't even aware of the option when I ordered the
> 31, as was the case with the Wi-Fi option. I have the entire winter to make up
> my mind. All that it does is allow you to set and select frequencies from the
> 9070 instead of the TY91, not a very compelling capability at the end of the
> day.

It does a bit more than that. You no longer need the control head (but can use it
at the same time), so that can be removed from your panel to open up an instrument
hole, or even avoid buying the control head (~$400) if you plan for it when
ordering equipment. It also keeps a history list of recently used frequencies,
making it easier to switch among them.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
> >
> > On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > >>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> > >>>
> > >>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
> > >>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
> > >>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't have ADS-B In.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tom
> > >> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
> > >> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
> > >>
> > >> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> > >
> > > I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> > > it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range..
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Dan, 5J
>
> I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).
>
> Tom

Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

2G wrote on 12/14/2019 1:01 PM:
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Me, too!* What Eric said.
>>
>
>>>>> I don't have ADS-B In.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>> Really???* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
>>>> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>>>>
>>>> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
>>>
>>> I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
>>> it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan, 5J
>
> I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).

Dan and I meant are the "bonus" features of ADS-B in: things like weather, radar
images, TFRs, etc.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

[waremark]

My main use is to select standby frequencies from the near airports page. I use the head unit for all other functions.

[Dan Marotta]

Eric,

I have dual mode ADS-B Out and In in the Cessna 180 and 1090ES out in
the Stemme.Â* The Powerflarm portable gives me 1090ES ADS-B IN in the
Stemme via both the ClearNav II moving map and a Flarmview display.Â* I
played with a Dual XGPS-170D with a Sony Xperia Z3 for dual mode ADS-B
In on an Avare display but it just proved to be redundant and mounting
was problematic.Â* I may offer the XGPS-170D
<https://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-product/xgps170d> for sale...

2G, Tom, if your Flarm target has a position display on your moving map,
it's an ADS-B In target.Â* If it's just a range circle, it's simply a
transponder return (Mode 3/A or Mode S).

On 12/14/2019 5:26 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> 2G wrote on 12/14/2019 1:01 PM:
>> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>> Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
>>>
>>
>>>>>> I don't have ADS-B In.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
>>>>> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
>>>>>
>>>>> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
>>>>
>>>> I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
>>>> it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan, 5J
>>
>> I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been
>> getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder
>> alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated
>> alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).
>
> Dan and I meant are the "bonus" features of ADS-B in: things like
> weather, radar images, TFRs, etc.
> Â*--
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
> email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>

--
Dan, 5J

[2G]

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:59:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
> > >
> > > On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > > >>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
> > > >>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
> > > >>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't have ADS-B In.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Tom
> > > >> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
> > > >> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
> > > >>
> > > >> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> > > >
> > > > I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> > > > it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dan, 5J
> >
> > I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).
> >
> > Tom
>
> Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.

I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them the most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see what is going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.

Tom

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 8:33:34 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:59:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
> > > >
> > > > On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > > Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > > > >>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
> > > > >>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
> > > > >>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I don't have ADS-B In.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Tom
> > > > >> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
> > > > >> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> > > > > it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dan, 5J
> > >
> > > I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).
> > >
> > > Tom
> >
> > Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.
>
> I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them the most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see what is going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.
>
> Tom

I get too many alerts! Perhaps both of us could learn a bit more about the 9070, however, that is the largest display in the center of the panel. My alerts come up no matter what page is displayed in flight.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

Jonathan St. Cloud wrote on 12/17/2019 9:13 AM:
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 8:33:34 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:

>>>
>>> Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the
>>> LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.
>>
>> I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them the
>> most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see what is
>> going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.
>>
>> Tom
>
> I get too many alerts! Perhaps both of us could learn a bit more about the
> 9070, however, that is the largest display in the center of the panel. My
> alerts come up no matter what page is displayed in flight.

I think the displayed alerts come from the Flarm module (internal or external), so
it's alarm criteria need adjusting, not the 9070. That's from the 9070 manual - I
haven't used one.

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[2G]

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 9:14:00 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 8:33:34 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:59:50 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > > Me, too!Â* What Eric said.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/14/2019 10:27 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > > > > > Dan Marotta wrote on 12/14/2019 8:18 AM:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 12/13/2019 9:25 PM, 2G wrote:
> > > > > >>> The upper vario is the S8, the lower one the S10.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Everything is now in kts (this was the 2nd flight). The S8 is slaved
> > > > > >>> to the 9070. I could control the radio from the 9070, but that
> > > > > >>> requires a $240 bridge (LXNAV-Bridge-Trig).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I don't have ADS-B In.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Tom
> > > > > >> Really???Â* How much have you got invested in that well set up ASH-31?
> > > > > >> What's $240 as a percentage of that, 0.1%?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> How could anyone claim that glider pilots are notoriously cheap? :-D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I really like the ADSB-in on my Phoenix. The radar and TFRs are worth
> > > > > > it; also, getting the winds and weather at airports out of AWOS range.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dan, 5J
> > > >
> > > > I am have ADS-B In by virtue of the PowerFlarm core. I have been getting power traffic alerts, but I thought that was transponder alerts. What I will probably add is the Flarmview57 for a dedicated alert display (replacing the volt/ammeter).
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > >
> > > Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.
> >
> > I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them the most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see what is going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.
> >
> > Tom
>
> I get too many alerts! Perhaps both of us could learn a bit more about the 9070, however, that is the largest display in the center of the panel. My alerts come up no matter what page is displayed in flight.

I may have misspoke when I said "alerts." What I was thinking of is the radar page that shows all targets in your vicinity. I want to be able to navigate around these targets so I don't get an alert.

Tom

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

2G wrote on 12/17/2019 8:22 PM:
>>>> Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the
>>>> LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.
>>>
>>> I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them
>>> the most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see
>>> what is going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> I get too many alerts! Perhaps both of us could learn a bit more about the
>> 9070, however, that is the largest display in the center of the panel. My
>> alerts come up no matter what page is displayed in flight.
>
> I may have misspoke when I said "alerts." What I was thinking of is the radar
> page that shows all targets in your vicinity. I want to be able to navigate
> around these targets so I don't get an alert.

Would the radar displayed on the V8 be good enough?

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- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
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[2G]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 11:55:11 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> 2G wrote on 12/17/2019 8:22 PM:
> >>>> Not sure why you would get a separate instrument to show flarm as the
> >>>> LX9070 is the biggest screen to show the alerts on.
> >>>
> >>> I am not confident that the 9070 will display the alerts when I need them
> >>> the most. It seems like I have to page over to the flarm display to see
> >>> what is going on. This may get resolved as I fly with it more.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>
> >> I get too many alerts! Perhaps both of us could learn a bit more about the
> >> 9070, however, that is the largest display in the center of the panel. My
> >> alerts come up no matter what page is displayed in flight.
> >
> > I may have misspoke when I said "alerts." What I was thinking of is the radar
> > page that shows all targets in your vicinity. I want to be able to navigate
> > around these targets so I don't get an alert.
>
> Would the radar displayed on the V8 be good enough?
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
> - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

No, it's too tiny.

Tom