Any new news about the status of Seminole?

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Is there any new news about the status of Seminole? Are all the legalities regarding the owner finally cleared up?

[Bob Youngblood]

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 10:22:25 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Is there any new news about the status of Seminole? Are all the legalities regarding the owner finally cleared up?

Just took a look at Barnstormers looking for an Agwagon and noticed that the price is still 2.95 mil.

[Charlie Papa[_2_]]

On Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:19:58 UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 10:22:25 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > Is there any new news about the status of Seminole? Are all the legalities regarding the owner finally cleared up?
>
> Just took a look at Barnstormers looking for an Agwagon and noticed that the price is still 2.95 mil.

The classic British response to the question "is __ for sale" was "Everything but my dog, my gun, and my wife is 'for sale' ..."

But, in this case, obviously not a Motivated Seller

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

Seminole-Lake is still going strong! A new roof was installed on the clubhouse, the parking lot has been paved along with the entry road to the west of the runway. Out gliderport neighbors paved their road east of the runway.. Working with the local government, construction of a new turning lane into the gliderport is complete along with a dedicated turning lane onto Hwy-561. A lighted sign has been placed on the southbound lane of Hwy-33 warning of the turn into the gliderport. These changes significantly improves safety for everyone! We have also sent out RFP’s (request for proposal) for a new hangar building in preparation for new glass trainers (hopefully in the near future).

As you know, everything is for sale in one form or another. Knut had the field for sale for years before it was sold. It doesn’t mean Mihai (our owner) has not been investing in the business to make it better. Also, his issues with Romania have been settled years ago. We expect Mihai on property for the Seniors in March.

This year is the 30th Anniversary of the Senior Soaring Championship. We have held the 18 Meter Nationals, two North American qualifiers for the World Sailplane Grand Prix, a 13.5 Meter National and 5 cross country camps. Look in Soaring magazine at the articles our pilots write. Many local and visiting pilots have been helped by Billy Kerns and Ken Goshorn. We are blessed to have such great guys in our community. Seminole-Lake, the company, and our whole community that calls our facility home, are committed to support every pilot’s desires and grow the sport of soaring. Come on down and visit, we are flying year round and ready to support all of your needs.

Sincerely,
Rich Owen
Vice President
Seminole Flying & Soaring

[[email protected]]

You're a good soldier Rich. Holy cow, a new roof, new paved parking lot, new engines on the tow planes!!! I remember having to argue with him about ordering a new mixture cable. I totally understand, without SLGP your $160K sailplane would be gathering dust in your garage.

Hard to believe that a few years ago he was taken in handcuffs from The Caymens, kicking and screaming and in fear for his life and now he is walking around the land of Vlad the Impailer a free man.

Fly safe.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

[KG[_2_]]

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 7:58:26 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> You're a good soldier Rich. Holy cow, a new roof, new paved parking lot, new engines on the tow planes!!! I remember having to argue with him about ordering a new mixture cable. I totally understand, without SLGP your $160K sailplane would be gathering dust in your garage.
>
> Hard to believe that a few years ago he was taken in handcuffs from The Caymens, kicking and screaming and in fear for his life and now he is walking around the land of Vlad the Impailer a free man.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow Pilot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

[KG[_2_]]

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 7:58:26 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> You're a good soldier Rich. Holy cow, a new roof, new paved parking lot, new engines on the tow planes!!! I remember having to argue with him about ordering a new mixture cable. I totally understand, without SLGP your $160K sailplane would be gathering dust in your garage.
>
> Hard to believe that a few years ago he was taken in handcuffs from The Caymens, kicking and screaming and in fear for his life and now he is walking around the land of Vlad the Impailer a free man.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow Pilot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

[KG[_2_]]

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 7:58:26 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> You're a good soldier Rich. Holy cow, a new roof, new paved parking lot, new engines on the tow planes!!! I remember having to argue with him about ordering a new mixture cable. I totally understand, without SLGP your $160K sailplane would be gathering dust in your garage.
>
> Hard to believe that a few years ago he was taken in handcuffs from The Caymens, kicking and screaming and in fear for his life and now he is walking around the land of Vlad the Impailer a free man.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow Pilot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

Walt, Please take the time and give more thought before posting your messages. They can have a negative impact. i.e. Rich was a sailor, not a soldier..

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 6:13:31 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> Seminole-Lake is still going strong! A new roof was installed on the clubhouse, the parking lot has been paved along with the entry road to the west of the runway. Out gliderport neighbors paved their road east of the runway. Working with the local government, construction of a new turning lane into the gliderport is complete along with a dedicated turning lane onto Hwy-561. A lighted sign has been placed on the southbound lane of Hwy-33 warning of the turn into the gliderport. These changes significantly improves safety for everyone! We have also sent out RFP’s (request for proposal) for a new hangar building in preparation for new glass trainers (hopefully in the near future).
>
> As you know, everything is for sale in one form or another. Knut had the field for sale for years before it was sold. It doesn’t mean Mihai (our owner) has not been investing in the business to make it better. Also, his issues with Romania have been settled years ago. We expect Mihai on property for the Seniors in March.
>
> This year is the 30th Anniversary of the Senior Soaring Championship. We have held the 18 Meter Nationals, two North American qualifiers for the World Sailplane Grand Prix, a 13.5 Meter National and 5 cross country camps. Look in Soaring magazine at the articles our pilots write. Many local and visiting pilots have been helped by Billy Kerns and Ken Goshorn. We are blessed to have such great guys in our community. Seminole-Lake, the company, and our whole community that calls our facility home, are committed to support every pilot’s desires and grow the sport of soaring. Come on down and visit, we are flying year round and ready to support all of your needs.
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Owen
> Vice President
> Seminole Flying & Soaring

Tis the season, so Rich might I add thank you for your efforts and to all involved with Seminole in keeping it a fine place to soar. I hope someday to visit and enjoy the fruits of your labors. Merry Christmas to you and your family and I wish you a safe successful 2020!

[[email protected]]

Believe me KG, this IS the edited, redacted, thoughtful post and we are BOTH wrong. Rich was an AVIATOR. Navy doesn't have PILOTS, they have AVIATORS. Or so I am told.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.

[Martin Gregorie[_6_]]

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 06:12:02 -0800, waltconnelly wrote:

> Believe me KG, this IS the edited, redacted, thoughtful post and we are
> BOTH wrong. Rich was an AVIATOR. Navy doesn't have PILOTS, they have
> AVIATORS. Or so I am told.
>
Makes sense: on both salt and fresh water 'pilots' are the people who
guide ships into and out of harbour and through tricky stretches of
shallow water. So it makes sense that US naval plane drivers are
called 'aviators' to avoid confusing two rather different skill sets. I
have no idea how other navies name their plane drivers.

* I've used 'plane driver' as a short descriptive term for what the
person controlling an aircraft does: this is not intended to be flippant
or derogatory.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

Martin, funny thing is, you are a Naval Officer first and an aviator second.. During my years in the Navy I was qualified to command a nuclear powered aircraft carrier while the Captain was off the bridge. We also learned how to get the carrier from sea to the head of the pier. A harbor pilot moved to along the pier. We also were trained to rendezvous with another ship, pull along side (180 feet apart) and receive stores and jet fuel, and safely move apart. Ship handling is as a complex task as flying an aircraft. That is why Naval Aviators have wings made of gold and the Air Force have wings made of pewter. 😀

[Bob Youngblood]

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> Martin, funny thing is, you are a Naval Officer first and an aviator second. During my years in the Navy I was qualified to command a nuclear powered aircraft carrier while the Captain was off the bridge. We also learned how to get the carrier from sea to the head of the pier. A harbor pilot moved to along the pier. We also were trained to rendezvous with another ship, pull along side (180 feet apart) and receive stores and jet fuel, and safely move apart. Ship handling is as a complex task as flying an aircraft. That is why Naval Aviators have wings made of gold and the Air Force have wings made of pewter. 😀

Very pompous remarks, wish my brother was alive today to comment on behalf of the USAF. If my memory serves me correct there were 320 plus POW'S from USAF in Vietman, the Navy had 143 POW'S in that same war, I would say that they all had wings of gold.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:34:42 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > Martin, funny thing is, you are a Naval Officer first and an aviator second. During my years in the Navy I was qualified to command a nuclear powered aircraft carrier while the Captain was off the bridge. We also learned how to get the carrier from sea to the head of the pier. A harbor pilot moved to along the pier. We also were trained to rendezvous with another ship, pull along side (180 feet apart) and receive stores and jet fuel, and safely move apart. Ship handling is as a complex task as flying an aircraft. That is why Naval Aviators have wings made of gold and the Air Force have wings made of pewter. 😀
>
> Very pompous remarks, wish my brother was alive today to comment on behalf of the USAF. If my memory serves me correct there were 320 plus POW'S from USAF in Vietman, the Navy had 143 POW'S in that same war, I would say that they all had wings of gold.

I really, really hope no one is so crass to say "They like pilots who weren't captured". All these guys really put their butts on the line because their government asked them. Merry Christmas pilots and aviators alike.

[[email protected]]

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 3:34:42 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > Martin, funny thing is, you are a Naval Officer first and an aviator second. During my years in the Navy I was qualified to command a nuclear powered aircraft carrier while the Captain was off the bridge. We also learned how to get the carrier from sea to the head of the pier. A harbor pilot moved to along the pier. We also were trained to rendezvous with another ship, pull along side (180 feet apart) and receive stores and jet fuel, and safely move apart. Ship handling is as a complex task as flying an aircraft. That is why Naval Aviators have wings made of gold and the Air Force have wings made of pewter. 😀
>
> Very pompous remarks, wish my brother was alive today to comment on behalf of the USAF. If my memory serves me correct there were 320 plus POW'S from USAF in Vietman, the Navy had 143 POW'S in that same war, I would say that they all had wings of gold.

Bob, I'm sure Rich meant no disrespect by his comments, just some good natured ribbing which goes on between services. For instance the USAF might say:

1. When a ugly hooker needs to attract a John she wears sparkly, flashy stuff. The truly hot ones need not do such things.

2. Duing the Vietnam War there were 5 aces, two pilot and three back seaters. USAF 3, USN 2. Advantage USAF.

3. After the war, 1 USN pilot ace went to Federal Prison for being a scum bag, 1 USAF pilot ace stayed clean. Advantage USAF.

4. The highest scoring ace was USAF, back seater, Chuck DeBellevue. Advantage USAF.

5. The "Drop the Soap" championships were won by the USN evey year during the conflict, the USAF combat aircrews in Thailand came in dead last each year. Advantage USN.

I was but a lowly enlisted man duing this conflict but my (pewter, just like the USAF pilots ) Aircrew Wings were made a permanent award after my 10th mission in a designated combat zone. Sure wish I could have been in college during this period in time, had the grades, had the SATs, didn't have the money. I knew several inmates at the Hanoi Hilton including a couple of my classmates from USAF Survival/Escape and Evasion School.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:13:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 3:34:42 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:58:31 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > Martin, funny thing is, you are a Naval Officer first and an aviator second. During my years in the Navy I was qualified to command a nuclear powered aircraft carrier while the Captain was off the bridge. We also learned how to get the carrier from sea to the head of the pier. A harbor pilot moved to along the pier. We also were trained to rendezvous with another ship, pull along side (180 feet apart) and receive stores and jet fuel, and safely move apart. Ship handling is as a complex task as flying an aircraft. That is why Naval Aviators have wings made of gold and the Air Force have wings made of pewter. 😀
> >
> > Very pompous remarks, wish my brother was alive today to comment on behalf of the USAF. If my memory serves me correct there were 320 plus POW'S from USAF in Vietman, the Navy had 143 POW'S in that same war, I would say that they all had wings of gold.
>
> Bob, I'm sure Rich meant no disrespect by his comments, just some good natured ribbing which goes on between services. For instance the USAF might say:
>
> 1. When a ugly hooker needs to attract a John she wears sparkly, flashy stuff. The truly hot ones need not do such things.
>
> 2. Duing the Vietnam War there were 5 aces, two pilot and three back seaters. USAF 3, USN 2. Advantage USAF.
>
> 3. After the war, 1 USN pilot ace went to Federal Prison for being a scum bag, 1 USAF pilot ace stayed clean. Advantage USAF.
>
> 4. The highest scoring ace was USAF, back seater, Chuck DeBellevue. Advantage USAF.
>
> 5. The "Drop the Soap" championships were won by the USN evey year during the conflict, the USAF combat aircrews in Thailand came in dead last each year. Advantage USN.
>
> I was but a lowly enlisted man duing this conflict but my (pewter, just like the USAF pilots ) Aircrew Wings were made a permanent award after my 10th mission in a designated combat zone. Sure wish I could have been in college during this period in time, had the grades, had the SATs, didn't have the money. I knew several inmates at the Hanoi Hilton including a couple of my classmates from USAF Survival/Escape and Evasion School.
>
> Hope everyone had a great Christmas.
>
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow Pilot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot.

Thank you for sharing and thank you for your service! Merry Christmas I wish you all a safe and successful
New Year.

[Roy B.]

My personal favorite in the USAF - USN banter:

"There are more airplanes at the bottom of the ocean than submarines in the sky"

ROY (who was Regular Army and had no dog in the fight)

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.

Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.

Have a Happy New Year,
Rich

[Dave Nadler]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> The key symptom of knowing your too old is...

Nah, I thought it was typing "your" when you meant "you're"

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
>
> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
>
> Have a Happy New Year,
> Rich

I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?

[Bob Youngblood]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
>
> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
>
> Have a Happy New Year,
> Rich

Rich, settle down and relax, you seem to be having problems with proper diction. You are absolutely correct, I am getting a bit old, feel pretty good these days and still don't need Viagra, what a blessing! My reply must have really sent you over the edge, your explanation kind of cleared up things. Please don't be throwing darts at the Army guys, my nephew is a Lt. Col special forces, he liked the Air Force A-10 while in Afghanistan.
Eileen and I would certainly like to invite you down to our place for the New Year dinner, we wont be using our wheel chairs and walkers. I will let you stroll through the old scrapbook of flying gliders 45 years ago. Enjoy the holiday young man. Bob

[Bob Youngblood]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:43:55 PM UTC-5, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-5, Rich Owen wrote:
> > Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team..
> >
> > Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today.. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> >
> > Have a Happy New Year,
> > Rich
>
> Rich, settle down and relax, you seem to be having problems with proper diction. You are absolutely correct, I am getting a bit old, feel pretty good these days and still don't need Viagra, what a blessing! My reply must have really sent you over the edge, your explanation kind of cleared up things. Please don't be throwing darts at the Army guys, my nephew is a Lt. Col special forces, he liked the Air Force A-10 while in Afghanistan.
> Eileen and I would certainly like to invite you down to our place for the New Year dinner, we won't be using our wheel chairs and walkers. I will let you stroll through the old scrapbook of flying gliders 45 years ago. Enjoy the holiday young man. Bob

[Dan Marotta]

On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
>> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
>>
>> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
>>
>> Have a Happy New Year,
>> Rich
> I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
--
Dan, 5J

[Bob Youngblood]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> >>
> >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> >>
> >> Have a Happy New Year,
> >> Rich
> > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> --
> Dan, 5J

Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.

[2G]

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > >>
> > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > >>
> > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > >> Rich
> > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > --
> > Dan, 5J
>
> Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.

Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.

Tom

[2G]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > >> Rich
> > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > --
> > > Dan, 5J
> >
> > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
>
> Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March.. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
>
> Tom

More background on this guy:

https://kingofromania.com/2016/06/07/the-curious-case-of-mihai-tanjala/

[2G]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > > >> Rich
> > > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > > --
> > > > Dan, 5J
> > >
> > > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
> >
> > Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
> >
> > Tom
>
> More background on this guy:
>
> https://kingofromania.com/2016/06/07/the-curious-case-of-mihai-tanjala/

Additionally, Tanjala's appeal to the Bureau of Immigration Appeals concerning his extradition was rejected:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/15-13276/15-13276-2016-03-23.html

https://caymannewsservice.com/2016/06/romanian-fugitive-loses-extradition-fight/

[2G]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:54:32 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > > > >> Rich
> > > > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dan, 5J
> > > >
> > > > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
> > >
> > > Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
> > >
> > > Tom
> >
> > More background on this guy:
> >
> > https://kingofromania.com/2016/06/07/the-curious-case-of-mihai-tanjala/
>
> Additionally, Tanjala's appeal to the Bureau of Immigration Appeals concerning his extradition was rejected:
>
> https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/15-13276/15-13276-2016-03-23.html
>
> https://caymannewsservice.com/2016/06/romanian-fugitive-loses-extradition-fight/

....and this confirms his deportation (even after he went on a hunger strike in protest!):

https://www.caymancompass.com/2016/11/02/romanian-fugitive-deported-from-cayman-islands/

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > >> Rich
> > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > --
> > > Dan, 5J
> >
> > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
>
> Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March.. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
>
> Tom

Oh you are such an expert on Eastern Block countries? Before you judge someone on a public forum let me tell you a bit about the real world. In Eastern Block countries, (hopefully Ukraine is changing) the mafia is the government. If you are in a governmental position, your duty to family and self is to steal as much as you can. For instance, if you are Mayor of a town and there is a Resturant that is cash flowing, that owner will be given the "opportunity" to sell at a below market price to the powers that be. If you fail to sell your utilities keep getting shut off at peak business hours and there is a special tax on that business so now the price to sell is even lower. When the next party comes to power you had better have moved all the assets you have out of the country. Corruption is considered normal way of life in these cultures and will take generations to change. So all you assholes that sit behind your computer and try to throw shade on a legally operated soaring glider port, what are you really trying to do? Is your life so pathetic that you feel the need to judge another from a culture, you have no idea how it operates. Just be thankful here in the US for the most part we do have a rule of law. I have never been soaring in Florida, perhaps someday. But I am glad someone purchased and operates Seminole as a glider port, that is really all that is germane here. Do you perform title searches on all the airport you fly from?

[2G]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > > >> Rich
> > > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > > --
> > > > Dan, 5J
> > >
> > > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
> >
> > Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Oh you are such an expert on Eastern Block countries? Before you judge someone on a public forum let me tell you a bit about the real world. In Eastern Block countries, (hopefully Ukraine is changing) the mafia is the government. If you are in a governmental position, your duty to family and self is to steal as much as you can. For instance, if you are Mayor of a town and there is a Resturant that is cash flowing, that owner will be given the "opportunity" to sell at a below market price to the powers that be. If you fail to sell your utilities keep getting shut off at peak business hours and there is a special tax on that business so now the price to sell is even lower. When the next party comes to power you had better have moved all the assets you have out of the country. Corruption is considered normal way of life in these cultures and will take generations to change. So all you assholes that sit behind your computer and try to throw shade on a legally operated soaring glider port, what are you really trying to do? Is your life so pathetic that you feel the need to judge another from a culture, you have no idea how it operates. Just be thankful here in the US for the most part we do have a rule of law. I have never been soaring in Florida, perhaps someday. But I am glad someone purchased and operates Seminole as a glider port, that is really all that is germane here. Do you perform title searches on all the airport you fly from?

Your lecture on Corruption is Standard Operating Procedure is totally meaningless. Tanjala was convicted in Romania, sentenced to 5 years and should be in jail RIGHT NOW. Furthermore, his assets are subject to forfeiture. If you have any more info on that, PLEASE post it. Otherwise keep your moralizing to yourself.

Tom

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 10:27:23 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > > > >> Rich
> > > > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dan, 5J
> > > >
> > > > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
> > >
> > > Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
> > >
> > > Tom
> >
> > Oh you are such an expert on Eastern Block countries? Before you judge someone on a public forum let me tell you a bit about the real world. In Eastern Block countries, (hopefully Ukraine is changing) the mafia is the government. If you are in a governmental position, your duty to family and self is to steal as much as you can. For instance, if you are Mayor of a town and there is a Resturant that is cash flowing, that owner will be given the "opportunity" to sell at a below market price to the powers that be. If you fail to sell your utilities keep getting shut off at peak business hours and there is a special tax on that business so now the price to sell is even lower. When the next party comes to power you had better have moved all the assets you have out of the country. Corruption is considered normal way of life in these cultures and will take generations to change. So all you assholes that sit behind your computer and try to throw shade on a legally operated soaring glider port, what are you really trying to do? Is your life so pathetic that you feel the need to judge another from a culture, you have no idea how it operates. Just be thankful here in the US for the most part we do have a rule of law. I have never been soaring in Florida, perhaps someday. But I am glad someone purchased and operates Seminole as a glider port, that is really all that is germane here. Do you perform title searches on all the airport you fly from?
>
> Your lecture on Corruption is Standard Operating Procedure is totally meaningless. Tanjala was convicted in Romania, sentenced to 5 years and should be in jail RIGHT NOW. Furthermore, his assets are subject to forfeiture. If you have any more info on that, PLEASE post it. Otherwise keep your moralizing to yourself.
>
> Tom

Fair enough Tom, how about you keep your judgement to yourself? BTW Romania is in Eastern Europe. I am very versed in how that part of the world works. Let us just go fly and leave matters of judgement to God and courts not to RAS. Long live operating Glider ports!

[Bob Youngblood]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 2:14:59 PM UTC-5, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 10:27:23 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 8:12:09 AM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 5:31:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:38:54 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/26/2019 1:51 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 11:11:48 AM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> > > > > > >> Bob, The key symptom of knowing your too old is not knowing when people are joking. No member of the armed services would ever seriously disparage another member, let alone an entire service branch. You should watch the end of the Army Navy football game. Both core of cadets get together at the end and sing both of their academy songs together. It doesn’t make a difference who wins in the end because WE know we are on the same team.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Also, I had the honor of being in an Air Force squadron for 4 years on exchange from the Navy. During that time I was able to fly most of their models of aircraft in service at the time. An Air Force pilot was also doing the job I would have had in the Navy. That program is still going on today. This way we find out how our sister service attack problems differently. It makes both services better.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Have a Happy New Year,
> > > > > > >> Rich
> > > > > > > I know I have heard Navy pilots describe Air Force pilots as "squat to pee, flare to land". Define disparage?
> > > > > > All in good fun.Â* We AF pilots know that the Naval Aviators have to
> > > > > > compensate for certain, shall we say, short comings. :-D
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Dan, 5J
> > > > >
> > > > > Rich mean no harm, he is just a bit confused, I will close this out by saying my best friend resides in Arlington National Cemetery, Frank Bacque was a great friend and wonderful pilot, we flew gliders together back in the old days in Miami, yes we were both old! Frank, "Smokey" Bacque was an Air Force pilot that flew the OV-10 as an FAC. He once told me a story about an exchange program that they had with the Navy where their pilots exchanged seats. Smokey flew back seat in the F4 and the Navy guy flew back seat in the OV-10. Smokey always laughed about the Navy guys hatred for getting down low, god rest his soul.
> > > >
> > > > Back to the issue at hand, Seminole's owner, Mihai Tanjala, was extradited back to Romania in 2016 to serve the 5 year sentence he received for duping investors in a construction company. That means he should be in jail right now, and it will be real interesting if he shows up at Seminole in March. He used the proceeds of his criminal activity to buy Seminole. This means his victims have a right to any proceeds from its sale. No wonder it hasn't sold. Rich, point me some news article that indicates that Tanjala has been exonerated - I couldn't find any.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > >
> > > Oh you are such an expert on Eastern Block countries? Before you judge someone on a public forum let me tell you a bit about the real world. In Eastern Block countries, (hopefully Ukraine is changing) the mafia is the government. If you are in a governmental position, your duty to family and self is to steal as much as you can. For instance, if you are Mayor of a town and there is a Resturant that is cash flowing, that owner will be given the "opportunity" to sell at a below market price to the powers that be. If you fail to sell your utilities keep getting shut off at peak business hours and there is a special tax on that business so now the price to sell is even lower. When the next party comes to power you had better have moved all the assets you have out of the country. Corruption is considered normal way of life in these cultures and will take generations to change. So all you assholes that sit behind your computer and try to throw shade on a legally operated soaring glider port, what are you really trying to do? Is your life so pathetic that you feel the need to judge another from a culture, you have no idea how it operates. Just be thankful here in the US for the most part we do have a rule of law. I have never been soaring in Florida, perhaps someday. But I am glad someone purchased and operates Seminole as a glider port, that is really all that is germane here. Do you perform title searches on all the airport you fly from?
> >
> > Your lecture on Corruption is Standard Operating Procedure is totally meaningless. Tanjala was convicted in Romania, sentenced to 5 years and should be in jail RIGHT NOW. Furthermore, his assets are subject to forfeiture. If you have any more info on that, PLEASE post it. Otherwise keep your moralizing to yourself.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Fair enough Tom, how about you keep your judgement to yourself? BTW Romania is in Eastern Europe. I am very versed in how that part of the world works. Let us just go fly and leave matters of judgement to God and courts not to RAS. Long live operating Glider ports!

Spent all day in court today watching a German national go before the judge for assaulting a senior citizen in the State Of Florida. Lesson learned should be that you do not assault a senior citizen in the State Of Florida. Rich, getting old has benefits. Bob

[Rich Owen[_2_]]

Tom (2G), Call me on my cell 407-325-6500. You are dead wrong and I will put you in direct contact with Mihai and his local attorney. Mihai was released from detention in February of 2018 (I have a copy of the release). Your comments about Seminole-Lake are inaccurate and harmful. I would like to prove, beyond any doubt, that Mihai has no legal issues with the government of Romania or the US. If you do not want to find out the truth, then we will seek other remedies to fix the harm you are bringing to our business.

I would like to thank all the pilots that have stood up for Seminole-Lake Gliderport. We have had more contests, XC Camps, and promoted soaring at Sun n Fun more than any other commercial operation in the US. We are active on the SSA Board of Directors, the Rules Committee and our local pilots mentor many new XC and contest pilots every season. Our business is successful, growing, and supporting every facet of the sport. We certainly could do better, but we try every year to improve. It is very frustrating to be the subject of false statements from another soaring pilot. I will keep all of you informed of my discussions with Tom, but it is better to be handled off line.

Best Regards, Rich

[Jonathan St. Cloud]

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 2:43:31 PM UTC-8, Rich Owen wrote:
> Tom (2G), Call me on my cell 407-325-6500. You are dead wrong and I will put you in direct contact with Mihai and his local attorney. Mihai was released from detention in February of 2018 (I have a copy of the release). Your comments about Seminole-Lake are inaccurate and harmful. I would like to prove, beyond any doubt, that Mihai has no legal issues with the government of Romania or the US. If you do not want to find out the truth, then we will seek other remedies to fix the harm you are bringing to our business.
>
> I would like to thank all the pilots that have stood up for Seminole-Lake Gliderport. We have had more contests, XC Camps, and promoted soaring at Sun n Fun more than any other commercial operation in the US. We are active on the SSA Board of Directors, the Rules Committee and our local pilots mentor many new XC and contest pilots every season. Our business is successful, growing, and supporting every facet of the sport. We certainly could do better, but we try every year to improve. It is very frustrating to be the subject of false statements from another soaring pilot. I will keep all of you informed of my discussions with Tom, but it is better to be handled off line.
>
> Best Regards, Rich

Thank you Rich for your service to the soaring community and for your service to the United States.
Jon

[[email protected]]

Interesting, sounds like more pending legal wranglings, a suit for libel is in the works? I’m staying outta this mess.

[2G]

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 9:28:10 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Interesting, sounds like more pending legal wranglings, a suit for libel is in the works? I’m staying outta this mess.

I just got off the phone with Rich. I was particularly interested in knowing what I wrote that was, as Rich wrote, "dead wrong." He said that it was that I claimed that Tanjala was currently in jail. I reminded him that what I wrote was: "That means he SHOULD be in jail right now," and that I didn't have any information what happened after his appeal was denied by the BIA (which I posted a link to). Rich confirmed that Tanjala was extradited to Romania in 2016 (he said Tanjala went "voluntarily"), served time in jail there and was released from jail in Feb 2018. Thus Tanjala would have served about two years of his five year sentence (included credit for time served in the Cayman Islands awaiting extradition). He also said that there are no outstanding civil judgments against Tanjala, and that all of this would be disclosed to any potential buyer of Seminole Gliderport, which he confirmed is for sale. He further said that he will have Tanjala's attorney contact me to confirm Tanjala's legal status. I accept all of this on face value. I also told Rich that I thought he was doing a great job in managing Seminole (I have never implied anything otherwise) and thanked him for his service to our country. Rich also confirmed that Tanjala was convicted of fraud in Romania, but has paid his debt to Romanian society in full. Further, he said that everything I have written about Seminole, with the possible exception of Tanjala being in jail (which I never claimed as noted above), is factual.

Everything I have written about Seminole is based on information available to anyone with an Internet connection, and I have posted links to those sources, and I encourage everyone to read them so you can reach your own conclusions.

Tom

[Marc V]

I started flying at Seminole maybe 2 months ago, I got my add-on to my private and purchased a Std. Cirrus which I keep there in the trailer... I guess this thread is a great example of why I DO NOT participate on social media. I guess my main comment is "WHO CARES"!!!

I have not met the owner, wouldn't matter if I do or not... what matters is the people they put in place regarding administration and management of the operation. If the operation is being run well, why should the personal life and issues of the absentee Owner be of any concern to me??? More so to people that DO NOT fly there. If the operation sells, I hope it can continue as-is which is great.

Everyone I have dealt with there has been excellent, extremely helpful and I have nothing negative to say. I have been hesitant getting into sailplanes (I fly hang gliders) partly due to a reputation at some locations of being "Holier-than thou" and very snobish for lack of better words. So far it has been just the opposite... Marc

[Mike N.]

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 1:19:37 PM UTC-7, Marc V wrote:
"I guess this thread is a great example of why I DO NOT participate on social media."

"If the operation is being run well, why should the personal life and issues of the absentee Owner be of any concern to me???"

"I have been hesitant getting into sailplanes (I fly hang gliders) partly due to a reputation at some locations of being "Holier-than thou" and very snobish for lack of better words."

As a new resident to S.W. Florida, and a returning glider pilot I agree with the above.
Soaring / gliding is on the decline in the U.S. so as long as the operation is well run, I am not going to get too excited about the legal issues of the owner.

I'll make one comment about the "Holier-than thou" attitude. I've been in various hobby related clubs over the last 40 years and it has been my experience that 90% of the members are regular people who will help each other out and enjoy each others company and the hobby at hand. Roughly 10% of the members are egocentric "know it all's" with chips on their shoulders and opinions about everything. Unfortunately the 10% usually cause about 95% of the unnecessary drama in any club. R.A.S. included.
I used to let it bother me, and when I was younger I left a few clubs after dealing with those egomaniac style of personalities, that can really ruin a club or group. Now I focus on the other 90% of people who are more or less normal, and simply look humorously at those who would make mountains out of mole hills.

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Well said Mike, and pretty well spot on. Where in sw FL are you flying Coastal? Thats a pretty fun club.
Dan

[Mike N.]

I am at Tampa Bay Soaring Society at Zephyrhills. As my home club.
Although I'd like to do some cross country out of Seminole Lake too. So I may trailer up there from time to time depending on the forecast.
I follow Skysight.io pretty closely for weather.

[Mike N.]

P.S. what is Coastal? I do not know of that club. Thanks.

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You were talking about being in sw Fl, I was thinking nw FL. Coastal Soaring is a club just west of pensacola in the FL panhandle.

[Mike N.]

Thanks. A little far for me. Appreciate the information.

[glidergeek]

I was thinking RAS was short for Rec Aviation Speculation. But I guess it’s short for Rec Aviation Slander.