Women's Worlds [Archive] - AviationBanter

Duster[_2_]

January 4th 20, 06:04 PM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 6:55:40 AM UTC-6, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day at the Women's Worlds in Australia.

.....by 8km/hr! Took 1,000pts in a 460km task (standard).
Not a fan of Facebook's or the SSA's "platform"; try this for recent updates:
https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/results

Jonathan St. Cloud

January 4th 20, 06:13 PM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 4:55:40 AM UTC-8, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day at the Women's Worlds in Australia.

Amazing!!!!

Sarah Arnold

January 4th 20, 09:06 PM

To follow the race, here’s the list of links.

US Team website: https://ussoaringteams.org/ - check here for daily blog posts by John Good, our team captain

Live Tracking: http://gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53 – races typically start around 9-10 PM EST

Scores: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/results

Ritz’s famous soaring blog: http://soaring.eu/

US Team Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ussoaringteams/
WWGC team USA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wwgc_usa/
US Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/soaringusa/

WWGC website: https://wwgc2019.com/
Webcam at the runway: https://wwgc2019.com/webcam/
Live CTAF radio: https://wwgc2019.com/live-ctaf-radio/

Kathy, Sylvia, and I are feeling the love, and want to thank all for your fantastic support!

Sarah

Craig Funston[_3_]

January 4th 20, 11:01 PM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:07:01 PM UTC-8, Sarah Arnold wrote:
> To follow the race, here’s the list of links.
>
> US Team website: https://ussoaringteams.org/ - check here for daily blog posts by John Good, our team captain
>
> Live Tracking: http://gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53 – races typically start around 9-10 PM EST
>
> Scores: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/results
>
> Ritz’s famous soaring blog: http://soaring.eu/
>
> US Team Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ussoaringteams/
> WWGC team USA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wwgc_usa/
> US Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/soaringusa/
>
> WWGC website: https://wwgc2019.com/
> Webcam at the runway: https://wwgc2019.com/webcam/
> Live CTAF radio: https://wwgc2019.com/live-ctaf-radio/
>
> Kathy, Sylvia, and I are feeling the love, and want to thank all for your fantastic support!
>
> Sarah

Thanks Sarah,

Posting the links in addition to keeping up with the of tasks and focus it takes to be a world class competitor is above and beyond. Focus on the flying. We'll be ok here and are cheering the whole team on.

I'm looking forward to hearing you and the rest of the team when you present at Little Rock.

Go Team!

Craig Funston
JN

Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot)

January 4th 20, 11:41 PM

Hey Sarah...to you and others in the contest....we will follow, huge pat on the back to all of you being there...bigger pat on the back for decent days....
Congrats on yesterday (time zones may mess this up...sigh...).
Stay safe...never win in a day, can lose everything on a day...."get high high, go fast, leave clean underwear....keep the ship flyable for tomorrow"....sorta added to family that I have dealt with for close to 40 years, also they were in worlds...so...have at it...keep the rules in mind...good show yesterday....!!

Tom BravoMike

January 5th 20, 12:14 AM

Several competitors received this warning: 'Late delivery of FR'. What are the rules and why is this such a common problem in Lake-Keepit? Can someone explain, please?

[email protected]

January 5th 20, 12:24 AM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:14:27 PM UTC-5, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> Several competitors received this warning: 'Late delivery of FR'. What are the rules and why is this such a common problem in Lake-Keepit? Can someone explain, please?

Probably due to a requirement in local procedures.
With the expectation of quick scoring to keep the people watching up to date, they may have a short time to get logs in.
UH

Tom BravoMike

January 5th 20, 12:26 AM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 3:07:01 PM UTC-6, Sarah Arnold wrote:
> To follow the race, here’s the list of links.
>
> US Team website: https://ussoaringteams.org/ - check here for daily blog posts by John Good, our team captain
>
> Live Tracking: http://gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53 – races typically start around 9-10 PM EST
>
> Scores: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/results
>
> Ritz’s famous soaring blog: http://soaring.eu/
>
> US Team Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ussoaringteams/
> WWGC team USA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wwgc_usa/
> US Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/soaringusa/
>
> WWGC website: https://wwgc2019.com/
> Webcam at the runway: https://wwgc2019.com/webcam/
> Live CTAF radio: https://wwgc2019.com/live-ctaf-radio/
>
> Kathy, Sylvia, and I are feeling the love, and want to thank all for your fantastic support!
>
> Sarah

We are all grateful for the information provided on those websites, and I understand the constraints of time for the authors, but something is simply not right with history and geography in this statement on the US Team website: https://ussoaringteams.org/

'Sarah Arnold came home with a silver from the last Women’s World Championships in Czechoslovak in 2017'

Tim Taylor

January 5th 20, 12:31 AM

Local procedures show a 45 minute requirement to turn in logs. First few days can be hectic before everyone gets in the groove. After landing it becomes a crews priority to get the data turned in quickly.

Jock Proudfoot

January 5th 20, 02:03 AM

At 00:14 05 January 2020, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>Several competitors received this warning: 'Late delivery of FR'. What
are
>the rules and why is this such a common problem in Lake-Keepit?
Can someone
>explain, please?

Local Procedures WWGC 2019 V7V9.0
https://wwgc2019.com/wp-
content/uploads/files/downloads/Local%20Procedures%20V9.0.pdf

7.10 Flight Documentation
All flight documentation, including FR logs, shall be submitted after
landing at the airfield within 45 minutes.
Back-up documentation shall be handed in within 60 minutes after the
pilot was notified. A valid FR log must be submitted for each flight
flown on each day flown, including official training days. A link for
uploading traces will be on the competition website.

Darryl Ramm

January 5th 20, 03:39 AM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 3:01:26 PM UTC-8, Craig Funston wrote:
> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 1:07:01 PM UTC-8, Sarah Arnold wrote:
> > To follow the race, here’s the list of links.
> >
> > US Team website: https://ussoaringteams.org/ - check here for daily blog posts by John Good, our team captain
> >
> > Live Tracking: http://gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53 – races typically start around 9-10 PM EST
> >
> > Scores: https://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/results
> >
> > Ritz’s famous soaring blog: http://soaring.eu/
> >
> > US Team Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ussoaringteams/
> > WWGC team USA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wwgc_usa/
> > US Team Twitter: https://twitter.com/soaringusa/
> >
> > WWGC website: https://wwgc2019.com/
> > Webcam at the runway: https://wwgc2019.com/webcam/
> > Live CTAF radio: https://wwgc2019.com/live-ctaf-radio/
> >
> > Kathy, Sylvia, and I are feeling the love, and want to thank all for your fantastic support!
> >
> > Sarah
>
> Thanks Sarah,
>
> Posting the links in addition to keeping up with the of tasks and focus it takes to be a world class competitor is above and beyond. Focus on the flying. We'll be ok here and are cheering the whole team on.
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing you and the rest of the team when you present at Little Rock.
>
> Go Team!
>
> Craig Funston
> JN

Oh c'mon Craig. Arn't you wondering where Sarah has the transponder antenna mounted? :-)

Tom BravoMike

January 5th 20, 04:42 AM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-6, Jock Proudfoot wrote:
> At 00:14 05 January 2020, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> >Several competitors received this warning: 'Late delivery of FR'. What
> are
> >the rules and why is this such a common problem in Lake-Keepit?
> Can someone
> >explain, please?
>
> Local Procedures WWGC 2019 V7V9.0
> https://wwgc2019.com/wp-
> content/uploads/files/downloads/Local%20Procedures%20V9.0.pdf
>
> 7.10 Flight Documentation
> All flight documentation, including FR logs, shall be submitted after
> landing at the airfield within 45 minutes.
> Back-up documentation shall be handed in within 60 minutes after the
> pilot was notified. A valid FR log must be submitted for each flight
> flown on each day flown, including official training days. A link for
> uploading traces will be on the competition website.

Thank you, Tim and Jock. An interesting reading.
BTW, the AGL height limit of 2000 feet for self-launching motor gliders seems to be a disadvantage as they will lose height while cooling the engine down and storing it away:
7.3.2.a Maximum altitude of climb after self-launch Motor gliders, after self-launching, must stop their MoP not higher than 2000 feet AGL, in the release area of the appropriate class.

JS[_5_]

January 5th 20, 11:12 AM

Sarah had a decent day and held onto her lead in STD.
Today the club class launch was quite late for the A task, which could not (by FAI rules) be changed in the air.
It appears that Kathy gained a place, but unfortunately Sylvia is still on the way back from a retrieve.
The wind went SE and it smells like smoke now.
Jim

Pat Russell[_2_]

January 5th 20, 01:41 PM

It's so quaint the way they call flight logs "traces." I love Australia.

Craig Reinholt

January 6th 20, 05:25 AM

It appears that Day 3 got scratched mid-flight (Scoring SPOT). Sarah was ahead of the pack, did a hard 90 deg towards the Keytah turnpoint and then turned for home. The rest of STD class turned back too. Any info?
Craig

JS[_5_]

January 6th 20, 05:35 AM

On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 9:25:56 PM UTC-8, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> It appears that Day 3 got scratched mid-flight (Scoring SPOT). Sarah was ahead of the pack, did a hard 90 deg towards the Keytah turnpoint and then turned for home. The rest of STD class turned back too. Any info?
> Craig

Visibility was decreasing.
Kathy and Sylvia also chose to start early, but had the rug pulled out from under them at the thrd TP.
All are on their way back.
Jim

Tony[_5_]

January 6th 20, 12:01 PM

Hey Jim how was the visibility on the way back?

Pat Russell[_2_]

January 6th 20, 01:03 PM

Do the WWGC rules allow the task to be cancelled after the gate is open? Was the Steward consulted?

Justin Craig[_3_]

January 6th 20, 01:27 PM

Anything can be done on safety grounds.

Viz was down to less the 0.5km so totally unsafe. Also pilots were
unable to see to ground ahead and plan for safe out landing in the
event of not getting lift.

I am sure all pilots are disappointed, but none would have been happy
to continue on those conditions.

At 13:03 06 January 2020, Pat Russell wrote:
>Do the WWGC rules allow the task to be cancelled after the gate is
open?
>Was the Steward consulted?
>
>

[email protected]

January 6th 20, 01:55 PM

Sounds like a good call.

BTW, the tracker replay is great, especially with a ctrl-shift-plus to get the numbers big enough to read.

Anybody know what Dist, Tsp, and B% are actually showing?

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 6th 20, 02:06 PM

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Sounds like a good call.
>
> BTW, the tracker replay is great, especially with a ctrl-shift-plus to get the numbers big enough to read.
>
> Anybody know what Dist, Tsp, and B% are actually showing?

Push Help in the upper right of the tracking box. Part of it:

G-TRACK-Live Glider Competitions Tracking (Help & Info)
Live Tracking

Click on the table headers to sort by Name, ID, Altitude etc..

Click on a row in the table to center on the Glider

Click the checkbox next to the pilot name to follow the Glider

Alt indicates the altitude QNH of glider in Feet

Sp indicates the glider speed in Kts

Var indicates the rate of climb in Kts

Dist indicates the task distance in Km since exiting the start sector

Tsp indicates the task speed in Km/h since exiting the start sector

B% indicates Tracker Battery charge remaining

Fix indicates the time of the last received Fix for the Glider

Click on [-] in the top right of the Glider table to minimise the table

Click on a glider callsign to display more details, click again to close it

Callsign of Gliders on the ground will be Grey

Callsign of Gliders 2000ft below the startpoint will be Red

Callsign of Gliders 2000ft above the startpoint will be Yellow

Deming Gray

January 6th 20, 02:56 PM

Thank You!

[email protected]

January 6th 20, 03:23 PM

> Push Help in the upper right of the tracking box.
Thanks, the help is helpful.

> Dist indicates the task distance in Km since exiting the start sector

For the day before yesterday with turn points, that seems great.

For yesterday with turn circles and a minimum time, is there some heuristic calculating task distance and speed before the whole flight is known?

Tony[_5_]

January 6th 20, 04:12 PM

But they did continue...they were all at or nearly to the farthest Turnpoint. Most made the return trip home which was probably only marginally shorter than finishing the task.

Pat Russell[_2_]

January 6th 20, 04:56 PM

A mismatch between the Task and the actual conditions is a normal part of the game.

The only condition for cancelling a day after the gate is open is clear evidence of unfairness. Perhaps this was the case, but no justification has been published, so far.

Justin Craig[_3_]

January 6th 20, 07:39 PM

Safety!

At 16:56 06 January 2020, Pat Russell wrote:
>A mismatch between the Task and the actual conditions is a normal part
of
>the game.
>
>The only condition for cancelling a day after the gate is open is clear
>evidence of unfairness. Perhaps this was the case, but no justification
>has been published, so far.
>

[email protected]

January 6th 20, 07:46 PM

The finer points of the rules is always an interesting question.
After looking in the sporting code and local procedures, still seems like a good call. It will be interesting how the fires affect the rest of the tasking.

In the FAI rules, there are words which permit using local procedures to augment the FAI rules. These are approved by FAI prior to the contest.

The local procedures for this contest appear to have anticipated this situation and given the CD the tools to deal with it.

Tony[_5_]

January 6th 20, 07:47 PM

Wouldn't the safest instruction been to tell all the contestants to land ASAP? If visibility was too poor to continue the soaring contest task then Wouldn't it be too poor to soar back home too?

Martin Gregorie[_6_]

January 6th 20, 10:06 PM

On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 11:47:36 -0800, Tony wrote:

> Wouldn't the safest instruction been to tell all the contestants to land
> ASAP? If visibility was too poor to continue the soaring contest task
> then Wouldn't it be too poor to soar back home too?

From the British team news reports, it seems that they flew into an area
of dense smoke / deduced visibility. Presumably, and this looks likely
from the task maps since all tasks went further north than in any other
direction, this would mean that when they were flying home after the
recall, they'd be flying out of the area of poor visibility.

--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Tony[_5_]

January 6th 20, 10:26 PM

US Team report indicates the concern was based on visibility during final glide...

----

Things seemed to settle down at a “grim but acceptable” level and pilots proceeded with their tasks, finding good lift to around 9000’ in a few areas, and occasionally struggling to reach 6000’. Our local expert pilot and Task Setter – Bruce Taylor – launched as a scout. His initial report of 20+ km visibility was encouraging. But around 3:30 he encountered troublesome smoke and haze – bad enough to make final glides and finishes potentially dangerous. His advice, various forecasts and other input led (shortly before 4pm) to the decision to cancel the task. It was a serious disappointment to many pilots, most of whom had been racing hard in challenging conditions for 3 hours and more. They now had to fly home – up to 140 km, through the thickening smoke – with their efforts rendered meaningless.

Tim Newport-Peace[_6_]

January 6th 20, 11:01 PM

At 19:47 06 January 2020, Tony wrote:
>Wouldn't the safest instruction been to tell all the contestants to land
>ASAP? If visibility was too poor to continue the soaring contest task
then
>Wouldn't it be too poor to soar back home too?
>
Wouldn't that be a decision best left to pilots who are on-the-spot, once
the task had been cancelled?

JS[_5_]

January 7th 20, 03:08 AM

On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 3:15:05 PM UTC-8, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> At 19:47 06 January 2020, Tony wrote:
> >Wouldn't the safest instruction been to tell all the contestants to land
> >ASAP? If visibility was too poor to continue the soaring contest task
> then
> >Wouldn't it be too poor to soar back home too?
> >
> Wouldn't that be a decision best left to pilots who are on-the-spot, once
> the task had been cancelled?

According to the local rules, input was allowed from various sources and they apparently pointed towards cancellation.
Sylvia and Kathy, due to their early start, got away from the worst visibility earlier and without that mess (especially in reduced visibility) called a gaggle. Where they were as the task was cancelled was not bad, and there were just the two of them.
Oh, well...

Visibility today is better.
They're all on course.

Something to give you an idea of the visibility is look at the Keepit webcam in the morning AEST.
https://keepitsoaring.com/webcam/
Before we left for Australia, the tree line wasn't always visible.
Jim

Tony[_5_]

January 7th 20, 03:11 AM

Start early and pray for smoke?

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 9th 20, 07:11 PM

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day at the Women's Worlds in Australia.

Sarah continues to lead. The TC reports by John Good are excellent reading, really painting a good picture of what's happening. The lack of supportive comments is, however, disappointing. I know from WGC and PAGC crewing that the team is always buoyed by hearing from others. If you have a chance, why not contribute? https://ussoaringteams.org/news/ . Reading a few of them to the team before briefing is a morale boost at 106F!

Go North America!

JS[_5_]

January 9th 20, 09:03 PM

Some supporting info:
Pretty exhausting.
Each team pilot has flown 45 hours or more so far.
So far, every day has been over 100F, 40C.
The dust has been crazy.
Launches take longer than normal due to dust devils ripping across the runway.
I think there are facebook and instagram pages, and links have been posted.
Or look at SSA website for links.
Ritz' blog is good too.
Film at 11,
Jim

Mike N.

January 9th 20, 10:50 PM

As I have never entered a contest. I find it interesting and educational just to watch the near real time tracking.

Lots of strategy can be seen just watching the gliders and what is happening after the gate opens.

Anyway, seems like something that might be entertaining to watch with knowledgable commentators on ESPN

[email protected]

January 10th 20, 02:51 AM

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 1:03:33 PM UTC-8, JS wrote:
> Some supporting info:
> Pretty exhausting.
> Each team pilot has flown 45 hours or more so far.
> So far, every day has been over 100F, 40C.
> The dust has been crazy.
> Launches take longer than normal due to dust devils ripping across the runway.
> I think there are facebook and instagram pages, and links have been posted.
> Or look at SSA website for links.
> Ritz' blog is good too.
> Film at 11,
> Jim

I've been watching live to one degree or another and checking the scores as soon as they are posted. Been loving every minute of it! Tell the ladies we are paying attention over here stateside.

JS[_5_]

January 10th 20, 04:28 AM

Just backfrom a necessary run into Tamworth.
For these tracks go to
https://soarscore.com/
and choose your task.

Here's today's OGN tracking with task overlay.

Club
https://glideandseek.com/?taskOneUrl=http://www.soaringspot.com/en/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/tasks/club/task-7-on-2020-01-10&viewport=-31.12445,150.17485,9

Standard (same task, different start point to lurk around)
https://glideandseek.com/?taskOneUrl=http://www.soaringspot.com/en/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/tasks/standard/task-7-on-2020-01-10&viewport=-31.05728,150.22083,8

18m
https://glideandseek.com/?taskOneUrl=http://www.soaringspot.com/en/10th-fai-womens-world-gliding-championship-lake-keepit-2020/tasks/standard/task-7-on-2020-01-10&viewport=-31.05728,150.22083,8

We have a landout in 18m.
Tomorrow we get a rest day. I'll take the Holden Commodore we borrowed from Tony Esler (was mine when I had the Nimbus 3 here) for annual inspection. How's that for excitement?
Jim

Tony[_5_]

January 10th 20, 05:22 AM

18m seems to have gotten a bit chatoic there. a few real landouts a few motor homes. a few 145 degree "deviations" that seem to be back on task now.

JS[_5_]

January 10th 20, 05:29 AM

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:22:17 PM UTC-8, Tony wrote:
> 18m seems to have gotten a bit chatoic there. a few real landouts a few motor homes. a few 145 degree "deviations" that seem to be back on task now.

They may have encountered wave in the lee of the Nandewar range.
Meanwhile Std/Club have a slog into the wind.
Jim

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 10th 20, 01:19 PM

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
> 18m seems to have gotten a bit chatoic there. a few real landouts a few motor homes. a few 145 degree "deviations" that seem to be back on task now.

Per Ritz's blog, 100% landout - 8 18m gliders motored home. Pawnees out doing airtow retrieves. Rest day on the 11th and International Day pushed by one day.

Dan

Tango Eight

January 10th 20, 01:23 PM

I wonder how many more years before Soaring Spot can distinguish between DNF and "Not Yet Scored" on the Prelim.

T8

JS[_5_]

January 10th 20, 07:45 PM

Driving back from W of Boggabri, every other vehicle going the other way had a glider trailer behind it.
At 1030 when Kathy and I got back to Keepit, Sarah and Jason had finished rigging. Believe they had "Maccas" for dinner, to expedite.
The French team then took XBY's trailer on a retrieve.
Jim

Darryl Ramm

January 10th 20, 10:01 PM

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 11:45:15 AM UTC-8, JS wrote:
> Driving back from W of Boggabri, every other vehicle going the other way had a glider trailer behind it.
> At 1030 when Kathy and I got back to Keepit, Sarah and Jason had finished rigging. Believe they had "Maccas" for dinner, to expedite.
> The French team then took XBY's trailer on a retrieve.
> Jim

Maccas, an American delicacy.

Tim Taylor

January 10th 20, 10:52 PM

Thank goodness for a rest day. I need some sleep.

JS[_5_]

January 11th 20, 12:22 AM

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 2:52:49 PM UTC-8, Tim Taylor wrote:
> Thank goodness for a rest day. I need some sleep.

Sylvia and Kathy laughed when I read that to them.

Today looks dismal. The smoke that killed the task area is here now.
Tomorrow could be pretty ****e too.
Jim

Tony[_5_]

January 11th 20, 12:40 AM

Maccas, also the only thing open on Sunday in Leeton. At least between Christmas and New Years.

Like Tim I will be happy to get some good sleep. Couldn't put the tracker down last night as the distance day unfolded.

JS[_5_]

January 11th 20, 11:17 AM

Tonight was International night. Both the weather man and task setter "went for a swim" after yesterday's performance.
Jim

[email protected]

January 11th 20, 11:50 AM

Jonathan St. Cloud

January 11th 20, 01:29 PM

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 3:50:05 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> > SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day at the Women's Worlds in Australia.
>
> Current female percentage of the world's population is 49.6%:
>
> https://countrymeters.info/en/World

That is amazing, considering how stupid men are. One would think there would be a higher loss rate of men.

Martin Gregorie[_6_]

January 11th 20, 03:55 PM

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:29:01 -0800, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:

> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 3:50:05 AM UTC-8,
> wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck
>> wrote:
>> > SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day
>> > at the Women's Worlds in Australia.
>>
>> Current female percentage of the world's population is 49.6%:
>>
>> https://countrymeters.info/en/World
>
> That is amazing, considering how stupid men are. One would think there
> would be a higher loss rate of men.

There are a number of cultural groups which put immense value on having a
son and regard daughters as expenses due to dowries etc. In these
cultures using fetus sex determination to prefer sons to daughters seems
to be on the increase. If taken to an extreme, it could effect their
son's changes of marrying. This does already seem to show up in the
figures for different countries where prebirth sex selection is a well-
known practise among those who can afford it, e.g. India. From the looks
of the numbers, this could be a thing in China too.

Country male:female at birth male_female overall
======= ==================== ===================
India 55.5%:44.5% 54.0%:46.0%
China 56.5%:43.5% 53.0%:47.0%
UK,USA 52.5%:47.5% 49.5%:50.5%

Interesting that everywhere the numbers move in favour of women after
birth, and in progressively older age bands until, for the over 65 band
there are more women in most countries.

This data is from the CIA World Fact book:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html

--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Mike C

January 11th 20, 04:44 PM

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 8:55:53 AM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:29:01 -0800, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 3:50:05 AM UTC-8,
> > wrote:
> >> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck
> >> wrote:
> >> > SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day
> >> > at the Women's Worlds in Australia.
> >>
> >> Current female percentage of the world's population is 49.6%:
> >>
> >> https://countrymeters.info/en/World
> >
> > That is amazing, considering how stupid men are. One would think there
> > would be a higher loss rate of men.
>
> There are a number of cultural groups which put immense value on having a
> son and regard daughters as expenses due to dowries etc. In these
> cultures using fetus sex determination to prefer sons to daughters seems
> to be on the increase. If taken to an extreme, it could effect their
> son's changes of marrying. This does already seem to show up in the
> figures for different countries where prebirth sex selection is a well-
> known practise among those who can afford it, e.g. India. From the looks
> of the numbers, this could be a thing in China too.
>
> Country male:female at birth male_female overall
> ======= ==================== ===================
> India 55.5%:44.5% 54.0%:46.0%
> China 56.5%:43.5% 53.0%:47.0%
> UK,USA 52.5%:47.5% 49.5%:50.5%
>
> Interesting that everywhere the numbers move in favour of women after
> birth, and in progressively older age bands until, for the over 65 band
> there are more women in most countries.
>
> This data is from the CIA World Fact book:
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html
>
>
> --
> Martin | martin at
> Gregorie | gregorie dot org

"Interesting that everywhere the numbers move in favour of women after
birth, and in progressively older age bands until, for the over 65 band
there are more women in most countries."

In fact women have lower life insurance rates than men, although their health insurance rates are higher. This is explained scientifically by the fact that women drive their husbands to an early grave, while wrecking their health by doing so.

Mike

[email protected]

January 11th 20, 05:01 PM

So, the data indicates it is not statistically unique to be either male or female.
It's still basically a 50-50 spread.

Accordingly:

1. Aren't woman-specific sporting events predicated on the notion that females cannot perform as well as a males (in that event)?
2. Does the pilot's gender alter an aircraft's aerodynamic characteristics/performance?
3. Does the pilot's gender affect his/her inflight management of an aircraft?

Perhaps some female fighter pilot would be so kind to enlighten us regarding the the latter two queries.

Chris Behm

January 11th 20, 05:40 PM

I also asked my Condor group why there was a separate woman's wc for soaring. It was explained to me that it's to encourage women to compete in soaring comps.
The same guy that explained this to me and is a cfi-g, said that Sarah kicks his ass all the time in soaring comps.

Regardless of all above, best of luck to our team and it's sad they are experiencing the massive fires while competing. I cannot imagine it.

R,
Chris

[email protected]

January 11th 20, 06:17 PM

In modern social context (which recognizes gender equality and gender fluidity), having "woman"-only contests sure seems like an anachronistic continuation of a sexist notion, regardless of justification.

The fact that this particular person "kicks ass...all the time" kinda proves the point, no?

Chris Behm

January 11th 20, 07:02 PM

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 10:17:27 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> In modern social context (which recognizes gender equality and gender fluidity), having "woman"-only contests sure seems like an anachronistic continuation of a sexist notion, regardless of justification.
>
> The fact that this particular person "kicks ass...all the time" kinda proves the point, no?

Exactly my point.

It is not my intent to spam this thread though. But since you replied and seem to feel the same way as I do, then....

Maybe the WC format could be changed, and each country entering would need a man and woman for each category of competition? Just an initial thought. Maybe this would be difficult to implement, and not worth any problems it creates.

Anyway, back to the original theme, Go USA, continue to fly safely and quickly.
Best of luck and safe flights to all the teams in those extreme conditions.

Respectfully,

Chris

Martin Gregorie[_6_]

January 11th 20, 08:02 PM

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:17:25 -0800, rcornay wrote:

> In modern social context (which recognizes gender equality and gender
> fluidity), having "woman"-only contests sure seems like an anachronistic
> continuation of a sexist notion, regardless of justification.
>
> The fact that this particular person "kicks ass...all the time" kinda
> proves the point, no?

FWIW, in another, not unrelated sport - Free Flight model flying - there
have never been any separate male and female competitions at the
continental and world level, though there have been several very good
ladies flying F1B (rubber powered) as well as currently some very
competent young Russian ones flying F1C (IC engine powered - the biggest
and most complex FF class). I wouldn't be surprised to see them in a
Russian WC team in the next year or two.

--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

[email protected]

January 11th 20, 08:35 PM

Women are just as good as men.

Katrin Senne was in second place after both the 8th and the 9th day of the 2018 18m World Championship in Hosin, Czech Republic (not the Women's World Championship, but the World Championship). After the 9th day she was only 5 points out of first -- 7622 vs. 7617.

She was team flying with several other JS3's, and all of them landed out the 10th day. She ended up 8th in the contest.

The reason for separate women's contests in gliding is the same as the reason you have sailing clubs for women. It is to encourage them to enter a traditionally male-dominated sport. It is the same reason you might have a male-only knitting club.

Jonathon May

January 11th 20, 08:37 PM

At 19:02 11 January 2020, Chris Behm wrote:
>On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 10:17:27 AM UTC-8,
wrote:
>> In modern social context (which recognizes gender equality and
gender
>fluidity), having "woman"-only contests sure seems like an
anachronistic
>continuation of a sexist notion, regardless of justification.
>>
>> The fact that this particular person "kicks ass...all the time" kinda
>proves the point, no?
>
>Exactly my point.
>
>It is not my intent to spam this thread though. But since you
replied and
>seem to feel the same way as I do, then....
>
>Maybe the WC format could be changed, and each country entering
would need
>a man and woman for each category of competition? Just an initial
thought.
>Maybe this would be difficult to implement, and not worth any
problems it
>creates.
>
>Anyway, back to the original theme, Go USA, continue to fly safely
and
>quickly.
>Best of luck and safe flights to all the teams in those extreme

In the UK inter club league we have 3 class of pilot
Novice
intermediate
Pundit.
to allow for different skill/experience of the pilot
BUT I don't see gender as being relevant selection .

conditions.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Chris
>

[email protected]

January 11th 20, 10:50 PM

"It is the same reason you might have a male-only knitting club."

The parallel analogy is: The Men's World Knitting Contest.

('fraid some things just don't make a whole lotta sense, no matter how you present it...)

Charlie Quebec

January 11th 20, 11:38 PM

If the French competitor Aude Untersee had not got a zero on the first day, things would look rather different at the top, she got 1000 before being zeroed out on the first day, and has flown brilliantly since.

JS[_5_]

January 12th 20, 12:30 AM

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 3:38:18 PM UTC-8, Charlie Quebec wrote:
> If the French competitor Aude Untersee had not got a zero on the first day, things would look rather different at the top, she got 1000 before being zeroed out on the first day, and has flown brilliantly since.

Thanks for putting it back on track!
Jim

JS[_5_]

January 12th 20, 01:01 AM

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:30:47 PM UTC-8, JS wrote:
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 3:38:18 PM UTC-8, Charlie Quebec wrote:
> > If the French competitor Aude Untersee had not got a zero on the first day, things would look rather different at the top, she got 1000 before being zeroed out on the first day, and has flown brilliantly since.
>
> Thanks for putting it back on track!
> Jim

But now I've looked into it, 1000 points wasn't going to be hers anyway. Perhaps just below Sarah?
Jim

Nick Kennedy[_3_]

January 12th 20, 03:15 PM

This has turned into a CLASSIC off the rails RAS thread, good job boys!

I feel Aude Untersee's pain of getting a zero on day one.

Some will remember in Nephi a few years back after a navigation error I got a first day score of negative 100. Fly all day and wind up below zero.
That will deflate your balloon.
Had a couple beers after that brilliant maneuver.

Good Luck to the US Team ! I hope they have a fine finish!

Jonathan St. Cloud

January 12th 20, 11:16 PM

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 7:15:33 AM UTC-8, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> This has turned into a CLASSIC off the rails RAS thread, good job boys!
>
> I feel Aude Untersee's pain of getting a zero on day one.
>
> Some will remember in Nephi a few years back after a navigation error I got a first day score of negative 100. Fly all day and wind up below zero.
> That will deflate your balloon.
> Had a couple beers after that brilliant maneuver.
>
> Good Luck to the US Team ! I hope they have a fine finish!

You have to land in a lake to get remembered, navigation errors are hardly memorable in they are over the Nevada test range. (that was an interesting story)

JS[_5_]

January 12th 20, 11:49 PM

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 7:15:33 AM UTC-8, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> This has turned into a CLASSIC off the rails RAS thread, good job boys!
>
> I feel Aude Untersee's pain of getting a zero on day one.
>
> Some will remember in Nephi a few years back after a navigation error I got a first day score of negative 100. Fly all day and wind up below zero.
> That will deflate your balloon.
> Had a couple beers after that brilliant maneuver.
>
> Good Luck to the US Team ! I hope they have a fine finish!

Thanks for trying to keep the train on the rails, Nick.
Cooler morning today, waiting for the Mt. Kaputar smoke report before the C/D tasks are published.

Forecast looks good for the next three days, but with some much needed (but not good for glider racing) rain on Thursday and Friday. Stay tuned for more.

Jim
(my real name, ahem)

[email protected]

January 14th 20, 01:19 PM

Congratulations Sarah Arnold on yet another day win at 137kph (85 mph), increasing her overall lead to 196pts

Sharing the middle of the podium today were Alisa McMillian (AUS) at 157kph (98 mph) in 18m class and Jo Davis (AUS) at 130kph (81 mph) in Club Class.

Enjoying all the racing action live or in a replay when time suits you? You're not alone!

To date, the trackers have reported 2.1million positions and been viewed by 800-1,200 viewers per day.

The top 3 nations cheering the competitors on? Australia (22%), USA (18%) and Germany (15%).

You can still catch all the action at gtracklive: http://www.gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53

CJ for WWGC2020

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 16th 20, 12:47 AM

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 8:19:22 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> Congratulations Sarah Arnold on yet another day win at 137kph (85 mph), increasing her overall lead to 196pts
>
> Sharing the middle of the podium today were Alisa McMillian (AUS) at 157kph (98 mph) in 18m class and Jo Davis (AUS) at 130kph (81 mph) in Club Class.
>
> Enjoying all the racing action live or in a replay when time suits you? You're not alone!
>
> To date, the trackers have reported 2.1million positions and been viewed by 800-1,200 viewers per day.
>
> The top 3 nations cheering the competitors on? Australia (22%), USA (18%) and Germany (15%).
>
> You can still catch all the action at gtracklive: http://www.gtracklive.com/event.php?eventID=53
>
> CJ for WWGC2020

Thanks CJ. Miss you at the Ridge. I see they've cancelled the launch and day Thursday(there) Wednesday(here) due to an approaching storm, and the forecast is for rain tomorrow (last scheduled flying day). NSW needs the rain, hope it's enough to break the drought.

Karl Striedieck[_2_]

January 16th 20, 01:26 AM

Pray for rain!!!!!

The next to last day was cancelled for rain and the last day is forecast to be hopeless as well. Rain dance scheduled here.

Organizers are discussing changing awards to a day earlier - Friday.

Can't wait to see Sarah holding that gold medal!!!

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 16th 20, 02:21 AM

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 8:26:19 PM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> Pray for rain!!!!!
>
> The next to last day was cancelled for rain and the last day is forecast to be hopeless as well. Rain dance scheduled here.
>
> Organizers are discussing changing awards to a day earlier - Friday.
>
> Can't wait to see Sarah holding that gold medal!!!

It will complete the set! Rain dancing in the snow up here...

[email protected]

January 16th 20, 06:23 AM

Hey Dan,

I miss the motley crew at Ridge Soaring. Say g'day to Tom, Doris, John, Bill, Marty and the gang when you see them. Doing my Diamond Goal as a gliding noob to Cumberland and back between lake effect snow showers still rates as my best glider flight ever!

As for the WWGC, the rain is the best possible thing for the population and Sarah! Not so flash for those trying to improve their standing, however. To lose only 3 days to weather during the worst bushfires in living memory is a pretty remarkable outcome for a 2 week comp but hey, we're glider pilots. Can't help wanting just that little bit more..... ;)

CJ

>Thanks CJ. Miss you at the Ridge. I see they've cancelled the launch and day Thursday(there) Wednesday(here) due to an approaching storm,
>and the forecast is for rain tomorrow (last scheduled flying day). NSW needs the rain, hope it's enough to break the drought.

Chris Behm

January 16th 20, 06:26 AM

That poor continent needs that rain regardless of the effect on the contest.
Fingers crossed for many reasons.

Christopher Schrader[_2_]

January 16th 20, 03:34 PM

Yes, I'll be crossing my fingers for rain too. But if they fly one more day, that would be OK too. I'm confident Sarah Arnold would find a way to win. She has flown superbly and consistently throughout #wwgc2019. Cheers to her and the rest of the US Women's Soaring Team and many thanks to all the donors make representing the USA possible. I look forward to watching Sarah Arnold at the upcoming 20-Meter Worlds and future World Gliding Championships. Watch out guys, there's a new Sheriff in town!

Best of luck Sarah!

- Chris Schrader

MNLou

January 16th 20, 03:38 PM

I can't find anything that says the last day was cancelled and the contest is over.

Anyone have any more news?

Lou

[email protected]

January 16th 20, 03:43 PM

Lou, the contest is not over and won’t be untill the last contest day is flown or cancelled. The first window in which one of those two things may happen is about 7hrs from now (2300 Zulu). They will make every effort to fly but at this stage, I’d put the chances at 20%?

CJ

MNLou

January 16th 20, 03:50 PM

Thanks CJ - based on the chatter, I thought yesterday would have been Task 12 and the last day of the contest.

Lou

Dave Nadler

January 16th 20, 04:02 PM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 10:38:46 AM UTC-5, MNLou wrote:
> I can't find anything that says the last day was...

NSW, Australia is 16 hours ahead of USA EST.
If I calculate correctly, it's now 3AM on last day...
Not over just yet!

Dan Daly[_2_]

January 16th 20, 05:31 PM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-5, Dave Nadler wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 10:38:46 AM UTC-5, MNLou wrote:
> > I can't find anything that says the last day was...
>
> NSW, Australia is 16 hours ahead of USA EST.
> If I calculate correctly, it's now 3AM on last day...
> Not over just yet!

For a look at the weather, look at https://keepitsoaring.com/information/lake-keepit-weather/ and scroll to the bottom for the meteogram.

Mike C

January 16th 20, 06:20 PM

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 8:15:33 AM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
> This has turned into a CLASSIC off the rails RAS thread, good job boys!
>
> I feel Aude Untersee's pain of getting a zero on day one.
>
> Some will remember in Nephi a few years back after a navigation error I got a first day score of negative 100. Fly all day and wind up below zero.
> That will deflate your balloon.
> Had a couple beers after that brilliant maneuver.
>
> Good Luck to the US Team ! I hope they have a fine finish!

The French women in Standard Class are really good, are disciplined and excellent at team flying which gives a nice advantage. It is obvious though, that when compared one on one, Sarah is easily equal or superior to anyone flying the contest.

Karl Striedieck[_2_]

January 16th 20, 06:34 PM

And here's the nearest (25 miles) TAF/METAR: https://en.allmetsat.com/metar-taf/australia.php?icao=YSTW

Showers, smoke and low clouds all day

john firth

January 16th 20, 08:25 PM

JS[_5_]

January 16th 20, 09:42 PM

We watched the Czech 6 maneuver on OGN. Still don't know exactly what happened.
Likely a dyslexic number of the entered waypoint.
Meanwhile, it's 8:40am and we haven't left the Gliders Lodge at Sport and Rec.
Briefing 930, grid 10, launch 1130....
Film at 11,
Jim

JS[_5_]

January 16th 20, 09:43 PM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 12:26:01 PM UTC-8, john firth wrote:
> On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> > SHE SCOOOORRRRREES! Sarah Arnold clobbered the field on the first day at the Women's Worlds in Australia.
>
> On the 15th (16th) a Czech pilot ahead of the pack turned #1 then
> retraced and landed on the first leg; strange! Illness?
> JMF

Yes, believe MM was ill.Didn't grid yesterday. (smart move)
Jim

Karl Striedieck[_2_]

January 17th 20, 01:59 AM

Last day cancelled. We have a world champion!!!!!

MNLou

January 17th 20, 02:11 AM

Congratulations to Sarah! A wire to wire world champion!

Congratulations also to Sylvia and Kathy!

Way to go!

Lou

[email protected]

January 17th 20, 02:14 AM

Congratulations Sarah!

Tango Eight

January 17th 20, 02:16 AM

Mad respect. Well done Sarah!

Evan / T8

[email protected]

January 17th 20, 02:34 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 8:59:41 PM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> Last day cancelled. We have a world champion!!!!!

Awesome. Congratulations Sarah.

Michael Opitz

January 17th 20, 02:43 AM

At 01:59 17 January 2020, Karl Striedieck wrote:
>Last day cancelled. We have a world champion!!!!!
>
>
Congrats Sarah!!

RO

[email protected]

January 17th 20, 02:45 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 8:59:41 PM UTC-5, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> Last day cancelled. We have a world champion!!!!!

Outstanding!!!!!!!
Congratulations to the whole team
UH

Mike C

January 17th 20, 02:56 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 6:59:41 PM UTC-7, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> Last day cancelled. We have a world champion!!!!!

What a great pilot! Getting sort of verklempt.

Congratulations to the three who represented us so well, Sarah, Sylvia and Kathy.

Thank you.

Mike Carris

Charlie Quebec

January 17th 20, 03:06 AM

Lucky that the other competitor got a zero on the first day. To come back from a zero to 10th, and close enough a first day score of less than 850 would have seen the French girl win.

Karl Striedieck[_2_]

January 17th 20, 03:22 AM

Sarah had her hands full with those two French pilots. They had practiced a lot together, they flew welded wing and their team coach was world champion Eric Napoleon.

Sarah was the best individual pilot.

Hip Hip Hooray!!!!

Daniel Sazhin[_2_]

January 17th 20, 03:26 AM

Woohoo Team USA!

Congratulations Sarah!

All the best,
Daniel

[email protected]

January 17th 20, 03:29 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 9:06:57 PM UTC-6, Charlie Quebec wrote:
> Lucky that the other competitor got a zero on the first day. To come back from a zero to 10th, and close enough a first day score of less than 850 would have seen the French girl win.

Outstanding! So proud of Sarah, Sylvia and Kathy...you really made us all proud! Can't wait to hear all about it in Little Rock next month!

USA! USA! USA!

Chuck Werninger
VL

Andy Blackburn[_3_]

January 17th 20, 04:00 AM

Congrats Sarah!

You worked hard for this and earned it! You single-handedly beat the best teams in the world. That's an extra impressive achievement.

Andy

Andy Blackburn[_3_]

January 17th 20, 05:31 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 9:06:57 PM UTC-6, Charlie Quebec wrote:
> Lucky that the other competitor got a zero on the first day. To come back from a zero to 10th, and close enough a first day score of less than 850 would have seen the French girl win.

Both French pilots flew exceptionally well except for the one bad outcome on Day 1. However, I would quibble with you that this represented a potentially decisively lucky break for Sarah.

If you look more closely at the scores, Sarah smoked the entire field on Day 1. The French pilots flew as a tight team, as is common. They were typically within 40-50 points of each other each day and the average points spread between them outside Day 1 was less than six points - the expected result of such a tight team strategy. On Day 1 the other French Pilot scored 752 points, so if they had flown together and finished together the French pilot who got a zero on Day 1 would still have come up 112 points short in the end. On only one day did the differential between the two French pilots exceed 112 points - it was 117 points and it cut the other way.

So my conclusion is it its extraordinarily unlikely that undoing the Day 1 zero score would've resulted in any difference on the top podium spot. It would most likely have resulted in a different outcome in 3rd place - which is nothing to sneeze at.

Congrats to all on some great soaring performances.

Andy Blackburn
9B

JS[_5_]

January 17th 20, 05:45 AM

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 7:22:39 PM UTC-8, Karl Striedieck wrote:
> Sarah had her hands full with those two French pilots. They had practiced a lot together, they flew welded wing and their team coach was world champion Eric Napoleon.
>
> Sarah was the best individual pilot.
>
> Hip Hip Hooray!!!!

There's an F-18 flyby scheduled in a few minutes.
Sarah is truly an individual pilot. We are all really proud of her.
Jason dumped a bucket of water on Sarah as soon as the day was cancelled.
We all got wet from congratulatory hugs.
And my pal Kel (owner of XBY) has received loads of grief about flying slow. (evidently the glider is no longer an excuse)
Well done Sarah!
Jim